Could the Queen sack Gordon Brown [Archive]

Arfah

06-02-2009, 11:20 AM

Gordon (Cyclops) Brown is an elected Member of Parliament, he is also elected by his Political Party as Leader and therefore in the successful outcome of a General Election or a leadership contest would become Prime Minister.

The Queen is a Constitutional Monarch. She has no power as she has no vote and is not entitled to a political point of view or authority over the people. However, as Monarch, the Government is formed by her approval and if the people aren't happy with its elected officials then she can summon the Prime Minister and tell him to dissolve Parliament until a General Election has occured. This would then allow the people to have their say. In short, despite her Heirs & Graces, she works for us (The citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

Skukuza

06-02-2009, 01:22 PM

God please grant her the powers to do so ... right now... please.

Lazy Lob

06-02-2009, 01:43 PM

William IV gave Lord Melbourne (William Lamb) the boot in 1834.

Yes she can. We don't have any written constitution (or other) that prevents her from doing so.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:14 PM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

Lazy Lob

06-02-2009, 02:17 PM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

Fvck em all. They're all porky telling pillocks.

Evolv5

06-02-2009, 02:18 PM

I'm pretty sure everyone in the UK would prefer if things were run from Brussels instead ... oh noes I didn't ...

It'd be "interesting" if she did.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:19 PM

:) How did I know you'd say that LL.

B_706K

06-02-2009, 02:20 PM

Thats a tough question CJ, I couldnt even tell you my opinion, becasue im not sure myself. But I had a phone call of the labour party asking me the same thing. You know: 'If we had a General Election now who would you vote for or dont you know.' and the woman sounded pretty pleased when I told her I didnt really know.
I'd probably just vote Lib Dem ha!

PUG

06-02-2009, 02:20 PM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

I don't have a clue at this moment in time. Nothing can be as bad as having someone from the BNP (Brit National Party) or UKIP (U.K. Independence party) in charge though. At the moment everyone other party and candidate are thriving from the downfall of Labour and Gordon Brown and jumping on any opportunity they can to make themselves look attractive as Parliament tumbles arse over ****.

I'd probably just vote Lib Dem ha!

Giving yourself a swift kick up the arse would do more good than wasting your vote in such a way.

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:22 PM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

To be honest, I can seriously see me voting Green Party (http://www.greenparty.org.uk/policies.html) at the next election. The big three (Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrats) are all a shower of sh*te and there's no way I'm voting f*cking BNP.

B_706K

06-02-2009, 02:23 PM

Giving yourself a swift kick up the arse would do more good than wasting your vote in such a way.

Green party then?

EDIT: Wait, gaz you're serious?

Meatwad

06-02-2009, 02:24 PM

Is somthing going on in the UK? Why was I not informed earlier...Englishmen are people too you know.

PUG

06-02-2009, 02:24 PM

Green party then?

That's the thing. I really don't know.

Is somthing going on in the UK? Why was I not informed earlier...Englishmen are people too you know.

Where as the Northern Irish, Welsh and Scots aren't.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:26 PM

Are your politics as polarized as they are here?

B_706K

06-02-2009, 02:27 PM

Is somthing going on in the UK? Why was I not informed earlier...Englishmen are people too you know.

Where as the Northern Irish, Welsh and Scots aren't.
Seems to be alot of this going round just recently..! ;)

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Green party then?

EDIT: Wait, gaz you're serious?

Kind of yeah but it would be a protest vote. I actually believe the rest of them are lying sacks of sh*t whereas I've a good friend who stood for the Green party in the last round of local elections, she's introduced me to some of her party friends and they genuinely believe they can make the country a better place and I honestly don't see how they can do worse than the current f*ckers.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:30 PM

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Kind of yeah but it would be a protest vote. I actually believe the rest of them are lying sacks of sh*t whereas I've a good friend who stood for the Green party in the last round of local elections, she's introduced me to some of her party friends and they genuinely believe they can make the country a better place and I honestly don't see how they can do worse than the current f*ckers.

You spelled "pussy" wrong...

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:30 PM

Are your politics as polarized as they are here?

From what I see on this board I'd have to say no. The things I've seen here suggests that the Republicans or Democrats could put a corpse up for election and their followers would vote for Fred the Cadaver without question just because he's wearing the right badge.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:34 PM

From what I see on this board I'd have to say no. The things I've seen here suggests that the Republicans or Democrats could put a corpse up for election and their followers would vote for Fred the Cadaver without question just because he's wearing the right badge.

Funny you should mention that, I believe one of our last Attorneys General, John Ashcroft lost a congressional seat to an opponent that was killed in a plane crash before the election...

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:34 PM

You spelled "pussy" wrong...

What's my alternative? Vote Labour who've ran the country into the ground over ten years, vote Conservative who are represented by people who buy three thousand pound duck islands at the tax-payers expense and refuse to understand what's wrong with it or vote Liberal Democrat who were ran by an alcoholic for about eight years but nobody ever actually noticed?

happyslapper

06-02-2009, 02:34 PM

Can she sack the sitting Prime minister as it is her appointment to make?

Absolutely. She is the Monarch.

However, why would she? The Labour party are democratically elected, GB is their leader. There is no threat to our democracy, the only circumstance under which she might likely intervene.

I dare say she gives him a fair few bollockings behind closed doors though!

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:36 PM

Funny you should mention that, I believe one of our last Attorneys General, John Ashcroft lost a congressional seat to an opponent that was killed in a plane crash before the election...

Yeah, I only said it because it was once in an episode of 'The West Wing', was probably inspired by that.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 02:37 PM

What's my alternative? Vote Labour who've ran the country into the ground over ten years, vote Conservative who are represented by people who buy three thousand pound duck islands at the tax-payers expense and refuse to understand what's wrong with it or vote Liberal Democrat who were ran by an alcoholic for about eight years but nobody ever actually noticed?

I didn't mean to imply you were a pussy, Pacey, I meant that you'd vote based on the chance of getting some...:)

gaz

06-02-2009, 02:42 PM

I didn't mean to imply you were a pussy, Pacey, I meant that you'd vote based on the chance of getting some...:)

No this is a different girl, anyway her boyfriend is rapidly becoming one of my best mates - we're off to see Faith No More together next week so I could never do the dirty on him.

Mr Gently Benevolent

06-02-2009, 03:54 PM

I will be voting SNP but if I were South of the border I would give the Libs a shot they are nowhere as near offensive at the moment as Labour or the Tories. We will most likely get a Conservative government after the next general election and it will be a massive cluster f*ck after the celebrations have died down mostly due to dire economic conditions and the simple fact that most Tory MP’s and the new intake of Tory MP’s are much further to the right than their boss and his present front bench. I predict infighting and leadership challenges about a year in.

PUG

06-02-2009, 03:57 PM

I will be voting SNP.

Would you mind explaining your reasons for doing so? And I'm not attempting to instigate an argument or some such, but just curious.

wildcat

06-02-2009, 04:00 PM

The Queen does not have the power to sack Gorden Brown, but she does have the power to dissolve parliament and call for an election.

Nacho-Libre

06-02-2009, 04:48 PM

Well the Queen should do so!

Question - the Armed forces, do they not fall directly under the command of the Queen? Off topic question but I had once heard that and was not completely sure.

And as for my opinions on the current government... well.. The problem with the current government is that its completely rotten to the core - and the three main parties - lib dems, labour and conservatives, are the main culprits. Right now, voting for any of them would merely be exchanging one evil for another.

I am seriously considering moving somewhere warmer, more politically friendly, nationalistic (in a good sense.. aka not opening the flood gates to every tom, ****, criminal and harry from the rest of the world but rather giving the jobs to those who can do them properly, and allowing those that would contribute to the country to live there.) and economically stable country.

Unfortunately, it'll take me a while to find such a place, but I'll give you all a shout when I do. :/

PUG

06-02-2009, 04:50 PM

Well the Queen should do so!

Nota Bene. Stick to Airsoft in the future.

Lazy Lob

06-02-2009, 05:50 PM

Are your politics as polarized as they are here?

No they're not, and there lies the problem. They are (nearly) all career politicians who have been versed in the sound bite, hand choreography and spine-chilling fake grin. They all come out of the same box. I, and probably most of my fellow countrymen just wish they all had real convictions. Just like the industrial revolution I hope that we are the first to experience the next level in political evolution.

Oh, I did get BNP propaganda through my mailbox with the Polish Spitfires and all. Wankers.

Violet Fashion by Mindy

06-02-2009, 06:15 PM

Yes she can dissolve parliament.

Hell she could run the country herself if she wanted to.

The Queen acting through the Governor General sacked one of our governments back in the 1970's, sacked a state government in the 1930's and nearly caused the Federation of Australia not to occur.

Don't you worry. If little ol Liz wanted to. She could be as brutal, repressive and as hands on as Hitler.

Nacho-Libre

06-02-2009, 06:22 PM

Nota Bene. Stick to Airsoft in the future.

I can express any opinions (within the rules of this forum) that I'd like to, so don't try and discount my opinions, regardless if I partake in the sport of airsoft or not. And please, don't try and derail this topic. If you have a problem with me, send me a PM.

Back on topic:

If the Queen did sack GB, or if she did decide to dissolve parliament, what would happen to the Government as we know it? I.E who would technically be "in charge" whilst elections took place? Would the current standing party carry on with its duties until a result could come from the elections? Or would there be any sort of emergency measures in place?

PUG

06-02-2009, 06:28 PM

If little ol Liz wanted to. She could be as brutal, repressive and as hands on as Hitler.

I bet you'd just love Her Majesty to get all PVC'd up for you. amiryt?

If you have a problem with me, send me a PM.

No?

Eoin666

06-02-2009, 06:30 PM

Are your politics as polarized as they are here?

If by polar (not bipolar) you mean 3 identical 'public' points of view. There is no real left and right any more. When I was little I remember my dad a staunch labour supporter threaten to throw my sister out of the house for voting conservative, who were the fat-tory-land-owner class. But now on the surface at least in their public face, who can tell the difference.

Well the Queen should do so!

Question - the Armed forces, do they not fall directly under the command of the Queen? Off topic question but I had once heard that and was not completely sure.

And as for my opinions on the current government... well.. The problem with the current government is that its completely rotten to the core - and the three main parties - lib dems, labour and conservatives, are the main culprits. Right now, voting for any of them would merely be exchanging one evil for another.

The Queen would never do anything, it would be the biggest mistake of her reign and like turning the clock back 400yrs. But I'm pretty sure Parliament itself could dissolve the government with a vote of no confidence. Whether then we have a general election or go for a temporary coalition, maybe the latter would be better.

we're off to see Faith No More together next week

lucky b'stard, let us know if it was good old fav's or any new stuff in the offing

Nacho-Libre

06-02-2009, 06:39 PM

I bet you'd just love Her Majesty to get all PVC'd up for you. amiryt?

No?

Then dont make stupid comments or tell forum members to stay out of a topic based on a sport they partake in. Moron.

@Eoin666:

Thanks for the answers. And I have to agree - there seems to be no real left or right anymore, well, not counting the fascists of the BNP. But thats a whole other kettle of fish.

PUG

06-02-2009, 06:49 PM

Then dont make stupid comments or tell forum members to stay out of a topic based on a sport they partake in. Moron.

Get ****ed you little ****.

And, it's not a sport.

I agree with what LL said. I'd be happy enough to vote for anyone if there were any genuine conviction there and not just a Nick Clegg grin, a Cameron sense of self-rightiousness and anything to do with Hazel bloody Blears. A few years down the line after the Labour party has been well and truly shaken up and reformed in a more open and voting friendly manner, with David Milliband at the helm (probably), then they will happily get my vote, but untill then it's just a case of finding another viable voting option, whether that be an Independent, Green or the Walter Mitty party for legalisation of **** puppetry.

qaborg

06-02-2009, 06:49 PM

If the Queen did sack GB, or if she did decide to dissolve parliament, what would happen to the Government as we know it? I.E who would technically be "in charge" whilst elections took place? Would the current standing party carry on with its duties until a result could come from the elections? Or would there be any sort of emergency measures in place?

The current government will stay in power until the election Tony Blair announced the 2005 general election for May 5th on April 5th leaving just one month for campaigning and the current PM has that evening and the next morning of the election day to get out of number 10 if he or she loses, as the PM will move in that afternoon

Arfah

06-02-2009, 06:50 PM

My vote would be a protest vote !

Official Monster Raving Looney Party. Anyone who wants socks to be sold in threes in case you lose one is talking sense !

marktigger

06-02-2009, 07:03 PM

Nacho-Libre

06-02-2009, 07:06 PM

Get ****ed you little ****.

And, it's not a sport.

I agree with what LL said. I'd be happy enough to vote for anyone if there were any genuine conviction there and not just a Nick Clegg grin, a Cameron sense of self-rightiousness and anything to do with Hazel bloody Blears. A few years down the line after the Labour party has been well and truly shaken up and reformed in a more open and voting friendly manner, with David Milliband at the helm (probably), then they will happily get my vote, but untill then it's just a case of finding another viable voting option, whether that be an Independent, Green or the Walter Mitty party for legalisation of **** puppetry.

Sort out your attitude you insignificant little ****. Pricks like you make these forums a **** place to discuss topics. **** off.

Oh, and it is regarded as a sport. Now quit your bitching and stick to the bloody topic!

[apologies to all for digressing from the topic.]

David Milliband doesnt seem like the right character to be at the helm of Labour. After his big who-ha with GB over that euro speech, and how he quickly sucked up to GB, he has come off as a bit of a weasel. My only hope is that some of the preposterous laws (i.e this whole spending situation - WTF?!) can be reformed and a tighter grip placed around the necks of all MPs. The system needs some serious shaking up - we'll have to see how it all plays out in the long term.

Nacho-Libre

06-02-2009, 07:12 PM

I thought she could dissolve parliment but wasn't sure wether she could actually sack him.
The problem at the minite is we have European elections and the parties are going to be hit with Domestic issues. For this election I would be tempted to vote for a party that will clean up EU and turn the clock back to being the EEC instead of a United states

Something like the UKIP might be worth keeping an eye on in the Euro Elections - they have had a bit of a shady past (fraud accusations, etc.) but for the most part they seem to be the only bunch who have actually talked about the problems with the EU and how Britain doesnt really fit into it, at least, according to them.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 07:13 PM

Simmah don nah.

Eoin666

06-02-2009, 07:21 PM

Maybe we need a Lord Protector to march into Westminster and dissolve it, the army is now taking over, might have a few issues with the monarch still sitting around though

RAFREGT.

06-02-2009, 07:42 PM

I am seriously considering moving somewhere warmer, more politically friendly, nationalistic (in a good sense.. aka not opening the flood gates to every tom, ****, criminal and harry from the rest of the world but rather giving the jobs to those who can do them properly, and allowing those that would contribute to the country to live there.) and economically stable country.

Unfortunately, it'll take me a while to find such a place, but I'll give you all a shout when I do. :/

be sure too...a few of us could help you pack.

California Joe

06-02-2009, 07:43 PM

Edited because I dont think I'd want to bother with that child anymore.

Why don't the two of you meet up and sort yourselves out. And film it. I'll sell tickets on here. Then maybe we can use the proceeds to get Red Phos a proper girlfriend.

RAFREGT.

06-02-2009, 07:46 PM

^i'd pay for that!

PUG

06-02-2009, 07:48 PM

I'm down. Gimme a week or two to let the old metacarpals heal and we're good to go.

RAFREGT.

06-02-2009, 07:50 PM

oh yeah!...some good old fashioned milling!

California Joe

06-02-2009, 07:53 PM

Excellent.

If you'd quit tugging on your metacarpal so much, it'd heal faster. :)

marktigger

06-03-2009, 09:22 AM

Eoin 24hrs ago I would have said this parliment voting on a dissolution motion would have been a fairly predictible result Turkeys not voting for christmas and all that......however now maybe i'm not so sure. I would sugest some of them are inteligent enough to see the huge damage Browns clinging to power is doing not only Parliment but the party as well and the only salvation from the political wilderness (or being in place of the Lib-Dems for the next 30 years) may be the nuclear option.

marktigger

06-04-2009, 09:33 PM

to lose one minister is unfortunate, to loose 2 is unlucky but to loose 3 is downright careless!!!

3 ministers in 3 days resign, people turning down cabinet posts hopefully Gordon will message soon!

deagle

06-05-2009, 12:16 AM

she aint no linebacker, so no, i don't think so. i know nothing of brit politics.lol

Flagg

06-05-2009, 03:17 AM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

As a double colonial....my two uncounted votes are for Col. Tim Collins(Ret.).

Somebody needs to provide authentic leadership....and crack some F'n skulls before what needs serious fixing becomes irreparably broken.

His 2IC needs to meet the following criteria:

*Speak with a Posh British Accent

*Possess a rudimentary knowledge of math

*Possess a reasonable level of common sense

*Possess a "Double O" license and basic marksmanship skills to legally execute anyone who attempts to pass as truth the rubbish that borrowing lots of money to get out from under crippling debt is somehow good.

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At the end of the day, whoever gets the keys to the Kingdom better f'n fix sh!t fast or the Treasury will need to consult the Zimbabwe Central Bank for technical support on adding zeroes to the Pound.

Flagg

06-05-2009, 03:22 AM

The Queen does not have the power to sack Gorden Brown, but she does have the power to dissolve parliament and call for an election.

Tell me.......we're a bit less refined WAY down here in the furtherest former Colony....I'm not quite up to speed with Royal protocol and whatnot.....does the Queen have the authority to summon PM Brown to the Palace for a royal kick to the nutsack?

Dexx

06-05-2009, 03:49 AM

Given the Queen invites the leading political party to form a Government has she the authority to reject its choice for Prime Minister? And Can she sack the sitting Prime minister as it is her appointment to make?

From a legal point of view she can sack him. The UK does not have a binding Constitution where the power of each "political" entity is described. The UK is ruled by a kind of conventions, unwritten traditions that have established the Constitutional Monarchy of today. Those "habits" are non binding in a legal respect. But it would be a political suicide for the Queen to go against them. The people of the UK/Commonwealth would turn against the Monarchy. To sum it up, todays UK Monarchy depends on the public support to exist in the future and all the relevant perosns know this.

PeterRJG

06-05-2009, 03:55 AM

Don't the Statutes of Westminster, Act of Settlement, etc, outline what the monarch can and can't do? Royal Prerogative, etc

Violet Fashion by Mindy

06-05-2009, 05:32 AM

Technically and theoretically as I said before there is nothing stopping old liz to be an even bigger SOB then Hitler.

She can sack parliament when she sees fit. She can ignore parliament. The only thing the Monarch does not have control over is taxation. But many monarchs got around that little issue.

Basically it comes down to how much will the Monarch has and how involved government they went to be. At the moment the Monarch has been pretty dam weak since Queen Victoria

oldsoak

06-05-2009, 05:46 AM

Just as well, as we're a democracy. Dont get me wrong, I'm a loyal subject of HMQ , but running a country a la divine right of kings and such is not my bag - nor HMQ's I suspect .

Sack Gordo ? Dont raise my hopes ! That b*gger wanted the job, now he's got it, he's shown himself to be bad at it.

Ordie

06-05-2009, 02:22 PM

If the Queen, through her representative in Australia (Governor General) was able to sack the Austrailan PM in 1975, then anything is possible.

oldsoak

06-05-2009, 04:09 PM

Ah - but she didnt - the GG took it upon himself to do it. That was a clash between those who wanted Whitlam as PM and those who didnt and not very much to do with HMQ. HMQ is quite fond of the Aussies and Kerr's decision caused some embarassment to put it mildly - to the point where it was felt that Kerr had undermined the British monarchy in Aussie eyes. The Fraser administration was less than up front in its dealings to achieve Whitlams dismissal.

Violet Fashion by Mindy

06-05-2009, 07:59 PM

But what it does show is that the Monarch can sack a government whenever it wants.

The UK is only a democracy because the Monarch allows it to be a democracy

marktigger

06-06-2009, 04:40 AM

Your point being?
do you really think the British Monarch is going to be stupid enough to try and rule by royal decree. More Dangerous is the elected prats of professional politicians who will use what ever means available to cling on to power. I could see the emergencey terrorism laws being used to prop up a democratically elected govt that has come to the end of its life and has a PM who thinks more of Himself than his country or Party. At least we have that safeguard of the Queen being able to press the nuclear button however she know's full well as soon as she does do that the Monarchy is finished.
But if T Blair had his way he would have been el Presidente and the Queen and parliment totally sidelined.

Soldat_Américain

06-06-2009, 04:58 PM

Just do it...I'd need to make popcorn but he sure is an ugly sob

Walter Sobchak

06-07-2009, 03:32 AM

Slightly off topic, but not really....Who would you UK types prefer to have running things right now? From which party?

You need another Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell. Yeah... Cromwell.

From what I see on this board I'd have to say no. The things I've seen here suggests that the Republicans or Democrats could put a corpse up for election and their followers would vote for Fred the Cadaver without question just because he's wearing the right badge.

Actually, the dead are a long-standing Democratic constituency. They vote regularly in the big northern cities where machine politics has been the norm for generations. They helped JFK win Cook County in 1960. Nowadays, ACORN registers them and helps them vote in every election. And LBJ took the Pharr County dead vote when he defeated Stevens in the Primary Race for Senate back in the day. :roll:

marktigger

06-07-2009, 03:43 AM

You need another Oliver Cromwell. Yeah... Cromwell.

Actually, the dead are a long-standing Democratic constituency. They vote regularly in the big northern cities where machine politics has been the norm for generations. They helped JFK win Cook County in 1960. Nowadays, ACORN registers them and helps them vote in every election. And LBJ took the Pharr County dead vote when he defeated Stevens in the Primary Race for Senate back in the day. :roll:

Sein Fein are another party that can turn out the cemetry vote at the drop of a hat

Violet Fashion by Mindy

06-07-2009, 04:27 AM