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xav
06-03-2009, 06:56 AM
Europe's engineering and rail companies are lining up for some potentially lucrative U.S. contracts for high-speed rail projects.

At stake is $13 billion in stimulus funds that the Obama administration is allocating to upgrade existing rail lines and build new ones that could one day rival Europe's fastest.

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood traveled through Europe this week, riding France's 200 mile-per-hour bullet train, and meeting officials from several companies eager for U.S. orders.

On Friday, he is expected to visit Spanish construction, civil engineering and train-building companies.

"We think that the U.S. is a market that is going to explode," said Nora Friend, a vice president for the U.S. unit of Patentes Talgo SA, a Spanish train builder that is in talks with several U.S. states.

Engineering giants Alstom SA, of France, and Siemens AG, of Germany, each say they hope the U.S. will adopt their respective bullet-train technologies, which include rolling stock, and high-tech signaling and electrification systems. Siemens has already begun talks with California, the state with the most advanced plans for an ultra-fast network in the U.S.

Construction and infrastructure companies that have built high-speed lines in Europe -- including Spain's ACS Actividades y Servicios de Construcción SA -- have said they are interested in building or upgrading U.S. lines.

"Participating in the U.S. high-speed train is part of our [long-term] strategy," said Marcelino Fernández, president of ACS's construction unit, Dragados. lines.

State-owned railways including Spain's Renfe and France's state railway company, Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer, or SNCF, have said they are interested in running U.S. rail networks.

Officials from both SNCF and Alstom will be part of a delegation led by French Transport Minister Dominique Bussereau that will travel to the U.S. next week to promote French high-speed technology.

"We see that there's now a huge, huge interest in the U.S.," said Joern F. Sens, chief executive of Siemens's rolling stock unit. Siemens believes the global railway business will be worth more than $150 billion a year by 2016, and "a major share of that will be in the U.S.," Mr. Sens said.

The world railway business was worth about $120 billion in 2007, according to the Association of the European Rail Industry.

U.S. plans are still at an early stage, and European companies' hopes in a U.S. fast-rail system have been raised -- and dashed -- before. In 1991, a consortium including Alstom was selected to build a high-speed rail connections between three Texas cities -- Dallas, Fort Worth and Houston. But the contract was later canceled because of lack of funding and intense airline opposition.

This time, however, the federal government is on board. In April, President Barack Obama spelled out his plan to "transform travel in America with an historic investment in high-speed rail."

Some states have already started forging ahead.

California's voters approved a $10 billion bond issue to fund an ambitious plan for an 800-mile network of bullet trains that will travel at up to 220 mph. State officials have outlined plans to build high-speed lines capable of taking passengers from Los Angeles to San Francisco in two hours.

Mr. LaHood this week declared France's TGV bullet train a "magnificent system" after a trip from Paris to Strasbourg. "In America we're just beginning what you've done here in Europe," Mr. LaHood said. But he cautioned that the U.S. would not just be looking to Europe for technology.

European companies will face stiff competition from others including Canada's Bombardier Inc. And, though the U.S. doesn't have its own candidate to make the high-speed trains, it has construction and engineering companies aplenty for the most expensive part of the projects: building the lines.

"This isn't the conquest of America, or a gold rush," said Ignacio Barrón, director of High Speed Rail at the Paris-based International Union of Railways.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124354749274164117.html

About time they are starting to seriously think about High speed train for parts of the US.

kitatatsumi
06-03-2009, 07:43 AM
I was really happy about this when I first read it.
However there are some serious obstacles.
Correct me where I am wrong....

The tracks are not high speed, they have too many curves.
New tracks would be necessary.
The distances are much greater in the US; are you really gonna take a train form NY to LA?
The money allocated is not nearly enough.
The train system doesn't really meet any clear demand, its a good idea, but will people use it enough to justify it? Lets hope.
Gasoline is taxed heavily in the EU (as I'm sure you know), this is a major impetus to get on a train.

I would say inner-city trams would be a better starting place. The try and link areas, then maybe shoot for a national system.

xav
06-03-2009, 08:03 AM
The distances are much greater in the US; are you really gonna take a train form NY to LA?

More like
Sd-La-Sf
Atlanta-Orlando-Miami
Washington- Philly- Ny- Boston

and such... The one with the most potential clearly being in California (not sure about the wetlands in Florida and heavy snow in the north east during winter)

kitatatsumi
06-03-2009, 08:07 AM
Just linking Miami to Orlando would be great.

GrinchWSLG
06-03-2009, 12:19 PM
New high speed rail in the US would mean all new rail networks. The current rail network has far too many level crossings, not to mention it is completely dominated by freight traffic. Remember that Europe freight rail traffic is only a fraction of what the US moves via rail. Only China moves more rail freight then the US.

I'm not opposed to high speed rail though, especially coast to coast. We already have the Capitol Limited and the Empire Builder which connect the DC with Seattle. The problem is takes FOREVER. 40 hours just to get from Spokane to Chicago I believe. And that's if it runs on time.

I hope they don't only look at European rail for ideas. I was very impressed with the Japanese Shinkansen when I rode it. Their commuter service was really impressive too, made getting around very easy.

Sada
06-03-2009, 05:06 PM
USA has a continental scale so they haven´t only one solution to the transport of their people. I think a trip under 500km can compete with a plane, because it´s not only the time of the flight itself but the time you spend going from your job/home to the airport(the fast train in Spain runs from down town to down town) and the time spent checking your baggage, that´s shorter in the train compared with the airport . In my experience of 10 years ago, when I lived in the Toledo province(between Madrid and Sevilla) is that fast train between Madrid-Sevilla contributed to the raising of houses valour in the zone and more people working in Madrid went to live there and even to Ciudad Real(just south of Toledo) which was an small city capital of a depopulated province. Deliberately, fast train it´s being used in Spain for balancing population among different territories I think. Where I live, Galicia, it´s in the NW of Spain and traditionally the last place for doing public investments, the fast train will link this corner with the center of Spain in probably 7/8 years, but it´s that fast train will link I hope before that date with the portugues fast train that will run from Lisboa to Porto, all along the atlantic coast of the peninsula and a populated zone, it´s important for us. I imagine there must be some regions insided USA that are perfect for developing a fast train system, it´s true that fast train it´s expensive and unnecessary to link long a scarcely populated areas. About the rails, somebody talked about excesives curves being a problem, actually the biggest development in fast trains, of what I read, it´s not the sheer top speed but technology for adapting a fast train to normal rails. There´s a company, Talgo, that since the beginning(it was founded in the inmediate spanish postwar when 1/3 of our railway machines were destroyed and the rails were badly mantained) cared about solutions about keeping a certain degree of speed in curves, and I suppose that companies like frenchs or germans must be following the same line of research since both countries have and extense net of rails and I don´t think they all were built recently.

hsh2
06-03-2009, 05:11 PM
Let's hope they are better than the Acela. Most uncomfortable train ride ever.