DHS Takes Seriously Claim Militias May Collaborate with al-Qaeda on Bio Attack

[Geezah]

According to The Washington Times, U.S. counterterrorism officials have “authenticated” a video by a supposed al-Qaeda recruiter who claims he has the ability to smuggle a biological weapon into the United States via tunnels under the Mexico border. In the video, Abdullah al-Nafisi also suggests that al-Qaeda might want to collaborate with “members of native U.S. white supremacist militias who hate the federal government.”

The Department of Homeland Security’s “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” document conflates “white supremacists” with the militia movement, advocates of the Second Amendment, activists opposed to illegal immigration, and other loosely defined “antigovernment” groups. The Strategic Analysis Group, Homeland Environment and Threat Analysis Division of the DHS created the document during the Bush administration and it was revived by the incoming the Obama administration. Veterans in particular took exception to the report because it claims “returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.”

The Abdullah al-Nafisi “recruitment” video first surfaced on the Arabic news network Al Jazeera in February and was later posted on several web sites. It was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), the notorious disinformation outfit linked to Israeli intelligence. Mossad and the IDF are infamous for planting stories in the media and engaging in psychological warfare.

MEMRI concentrates primarily on discrediting Palestinian and Arab nationalists and was co-founded by the neocon Meyrav Wurmser (married to David Wurmser, Cheney’s Principal Deputy Assistant for National Security Affairs) and Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence. “Besides Carmon, several MEMRI staffers are former Israeli intelligence specialists. Especially troubling are suspected links between MEMRI and the current Israeli intelligence establishment,” Lawrence Swaim of InFocus wrote in 2007.

“MEMRI is a main arm of Israeli propaganda,” explains professor Norman G. Finkelstein, a well-known scholar on Israel and Palestine. It is “a Mossad operation pretending to be a media translation service.” Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA case officer, says “they (MEMRI) are selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which is the extreme-right of Likud.”

The group receives funding from the usual neocon suspects, including the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Randolph Foundation, and the John M. Olin Foundation. In addition to the MEMRI propaganda effort, these foundations also fund the American Enterprise Institute, the Project for the New American Century, and importantly the Council on Foreign Relations. MEMRI has threatened to use “SLAPP” (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) against critics, most notably the journalist Juan Cole.

Sean Smith, a spokesman for Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, said the U.S. takes the Abdullah al-Nafisi “recruitment” video seriously. “We can never stop being vigilant while there are individuals who seek to do harm on the American people,” he said.

“In the US, there are more than 300,000 white militia members, who are calling to attack the federal government in Washington, and to banish the Arabs, the Jews, and the negroes [sic] from the US. These are racist people. They are called ‘rednecks.’ The Ku Klux Klan. They are racists,” al-Nafisi declares in a MEMRI translation. “These militias even think about bombing nuclear plants within the US. May Allah grant them success, even though we are not white, or even close to it, right? They have plans to bomb the nuclear plant at Lake Michigan. This plant is very important. It supplies electricity to all of North Africa [sic]. May Allah grant success to one of these militia leaders, who is thinking about bombing this plant. I believe that we should devote part of our prayers to him. We should pray that Allah grants him success, so he can complete this mission, and we will be able to visit him and congratulate him, Allah willing.”



Abdallah al-Nafisi’s ludicrous assertion that militia members plan to bomb U.S. nuclear plants echoes the DHS claim that the militias are dangerous and recruiting returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans to engage in “antigovernment” violence by playing on “several emergent issues,” including a racist hatred of “the first African American president” and a faltering economy.

A Google search of al-Nafisi’s claim that “white supremacists” allegedly aligned with the militia movement plan to blow up U.S. nuclear plants does not return any results.

The Arab newspaper Al-Ahram has connected al-Nafisi to the Muslim Brotherhood. The “Muslim Brotherhood was created, infiltrated, or at least promoted by British Intelligence,” writes Peter D. Goodgame (The Globalists and the Islamists: Fomenting the “Clash of Civilizations” for a New World Order). In addition, the CIA funded the Muslim Brotherhood as a wedge against Arab nationalism, specifically against Gamal Abddul Nasser’s nationalist policies in Egypt (see Robert Baer, Sleeping with the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude, and Robert Dreyfuss, Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam).

It is now a well-documented fact that al-Qaeda is a western intelligence operation. For a detailed explanation on how the CIA, in collaboration with Pakistan’s ISI, created the al-Qaeda myth, see Norm Dixon’s How the CIA created Osama bin Laden. The current president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, told NBC’s David Gregory last month that Osama bin Laden was an “operator” for the United States. Zardari’s claim was all but ignored by the corporate media.

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida,” said British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook. “And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US.”

In January of 2008, the al-Qaeda myth expanded to include the cooked up specter of a “white al-Qaeda.” According to the Scotsman, al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen have converted white non-Muslims. “The trend is well established in the United States. American-born Adam Gadahn is one of the FBI’s top 10 most-wanted terrorists after converting to Islam and rising through al-Qaeda’s ranks to become a prominent spokesman.” Fox News amplified this phony threat. “If they can recruit a Scandinavian, that’s the holy grail for them.” Mike Baker, a former CIA agent and professional counter-terrorism expert, told Fox. “They need people who can move around freely and do their bidding.”

Now we are told al-Qaeda may collaborate with “white supremacists” and unleash an anthrax attack on the White House lawn. It remains to be seen if the lunatic ravings of Abdullah al-Nafisi — a probable intelligence asset — will be incorporated in the emerging DHS fairy tale designed to discredit and criminalize legitimate activism in the United States.

Fox has launched a propaganda campaign on the phony threat (see video above). Glenn Beck says he has talked about the “threat” supposedly posed by “white supremacist militias” for some time. In late 2007, Beck and guest David Horowitz — a virulent Muslim hater and Zionist shill — characterized “Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive,” according to Paul Joseph Watson. “I think it’s very significant he (Ron Paul) chose Guy Fawkes as an image,” said Horowitz. Ron Paul never made the comparison.

If the comments of DHS spokesman Sean Smith are to be taken at face value, the government is already in the process of rolling MEMRI’s blatant propaganda into the effort to characterize activism as a dire threat to the homeland.


Link (http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-takes-seriously-claim-militias-may-collaborate-with-al-qaeda-on-bio-attack.html)

What..............

[SBL]

It would be dereliction of duty if they didn't take it seriously.

[Geezah]

But White Super-Humans taking up with Arabs?

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.

[SBL]

But White Super-Humans taking up with Arabs?

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.
Why not?

Black and White supremacists have been known to speak at each others' rallies, agree on issues,
both whites and Arabs are victim of the ZOG, etc. etc.

[Laworkerbee]

I have a hard time imagining Christian Identity types being able to communicate with an Islamist without it turning into a pissing match.

Don't both groups hunt each other in the prison system as well?

[Ought Six]

Iran aided Sunni insurgent groups during the Iraq war, and that was going on while Sunnis were kidnapping and murdering Shias en masse. The enemy of your enemy may not be your friend, but he can definitely be an ally of convenience as long as it continues to be a useful relationship.

[SBL]

I have a hard time imagining Christian Identity types being able to communicate with an Islamist without it turning into a pissing match.

I think there are people in both categories that are calculating to take advantage of a situation should the opportunity arise. I don't know how likely a partnership is, but like I said, I think it would border on the criminal to not at least entertain the possibility.
Most of those nutters are hypocrites anyway and will justify anything so long as it suits them.

[Soldat_Américain]

And I've been saying for years that we needed to take out the domestic threat...

[seraosha]

I call Bullsh!t.

Returning vets from Iraq/Afghanistan teaming up with Al Queda because they don't like the idea of a Black President?

What a load.

[Soldat_Américain]

Well not all of these schmucks are returning vets

[seraosha]

Even a bunch of Government hating white guys in sheets aren't going to help a bunch of Muslim terrorists attack America...maybe try and get a few of them alone in a dark alley (or the piney woods), but as partners in attacking America?

Pics or it didn't happen. Too many of the stereotypical "good o'l Boys" have friends and family in the service to be helping the same guys shooting at their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters...and that's the recruiting pool for racist dirtbags, at least in my limited experience.

Not to mention the deep hatred that the 9/11 attacks caused.

Nah, it's a psyop at best, and misinformation at worst...believe it if you want, but not me.

[Noons86]

More likely the wingnut militias would accept help from Al-Qaeda, rather than the other way around. Al Qaeda probably thinks as long as something in the US blows up, its OK. The militias probably hate everything Al Qaeda stands for too, but hey, they might need help making bombs...

[brainplay]

Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” document conflates “white supremacists” with the militia movement, advocates of the Second Amendment, activists opposed to illegal immigration, and other loosely defined “antigovernment” groups. The Strategic Analysis Group, Homeland Environment and Threat Analysis Division of the DHS created the document during the Bush administration and it was revived by the incoming the Obama administration. Veterans in particular took exception to the report because it claims “returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.”

I call BS on this like I did on its original version. Militias did some serious house cleaning after the Oklahoma city bombing. Still the idea of an organized militia scares the living bejeebus out of any government that doesn't have any control over them.

Ironically the very groups mentioned here are more anti-AQ/Taliban than they are anti-Government. Only the serious hardcore nutjobs who want to carve out their own little private niche (caliphate) are going be able to not fall apart due to internal dispute and align themselves with AQ/Taliban to have a go at the government.

[SBL]

Pics or it didn't happen. Too many of the stereotypical "good o'l Boys" have friends and family in the service to be helping the same guys shooting at their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters...and that's the recruiting pool for racist dirtbags, at least in my limited experience.

There are a lot of nuts of different stripes. I personally wouldn't lump 'good old boys' with the type of person that lives on a compound and actively plots to blow up government facilities in hopes of bringing about the revolution/rapture/whatever.

[seraosha]

I call BS on this like I did on its original version. Militias did some serious house cleaning after the Oklahoma city bombing. Still the idea of an organized militia scares the living bejeebus out of any government that doesn't have any control over them.

Ironically the very groups mentioned here are more anti-AQ/Taliban than they are anti-Government. Only the serious hardcore nutjobs who want to carve out their own little private niche (caliphate) are going be able to not fall apart due to internal dispute and align themselves with AQ/Taliban to have a go at the government.

+10...
the very groups mentioned here are more anti-AQ/Taliban than they are anti-GovernmentThat was the point I was trying to make, thanks man.

[Virus]

But White Super-Humans taking up with Arabs?

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.

Weren't there muslims who collaborated with the Nazi's? Then it makes it ok for the whiteys :D

[seraosha]

There are a lot of nuts of different stripes. I personally wouldn't lump 'good old boys' with the type of person that lives on a compound and actively plots to blow up government facilities in hopes of bringing about the revolution/rapture/whatever.

Agreed on different stripes, but the article isn't talking about the militant arm of the Jehovah's Witness's...so who exactly are you talking about? And read the quote where the supposed AQ terrorist is talking about the hopeful success of the Lake Michigan Nuclear powerplant bombing...because it supplies power to North Africa.

Yeah, seriously...not taking any of this at face value, but it is kind of funny.

[Noons86]

Quote:
the very groups mentioned here are more anti-AQ/Taliban than they are anti-Government
That was the point I was trying to make, thanks man.


That may be true, but many of those "Patriot" groups might not be above causing "collateral damage" in their unofficial war against percieved threats to America.

[seraosha]

That may be true, but many of those "Patriot" groups might not be above causing "collateral damage" in their unofficial war against percieved threats to America.

What?
123456

[SBL]

Agreed on different stripes, but the article isn't talking about the militant arm of the Jehovah's Witness's...so who exactly are you talking about?


Anybody that actively plans terrorist attacks against government facilities/employees, et. al.
-The type of people the DHS are tasked with guarding against.

I persoanlly feel the article itself is little more than a political piece- intended to stoke negative feelings towards the current administration. I'm not sure why anyone would take prisonplanet as a serious source.

[Soldat_Américain]

two words Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim.

[SBL]

Retracted.

[seraosha]

Of course "prisonplanet" is a BS place for news...except for entertainment, but misinformation and propaganda needs to be confronted immediately.

And that was pretty rude coming from a guy with a hysterical kermit as an avatar...lighten up Francis.

[Soldat_Américain]

I take all threats to my country...I don't know what the DHS has been up to domestically other than deporting illegals since they own ICE, Border Patrol, and INS...but it seems to me we haven't gone after the domestic threat in this war on terror.

[WCF.KAS]

There has been a nexus between islamists and the extreme right in the past.......

Didnt Terry Nichols spend some time in the philipines "looking for a bride"? Some speculation he associated with militants out there.

Anti-semitism unites.......

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I call BS on this like I did on its original version. Militias did some serious house cleaning after the Oklahoma city bombing. Still the idea of an organized militia scares the living bejeebus out of any government that doesn't have any control over them.Lots of people were sent packing from the militias but where did they drift to?


Ironically the very groups mentioned here are more anti-AQ/Taliban than they are anti-Government. Only the serious hardcore nutjobs who want to carve out their own little private niche (caliphate) are going be able to not fall apart due to internal dispute and align themselves with AQ/Taliban to have a go at the government.

The US nationalists and white power groups are so disparate that it’s pretty hard to get a handle on their ideologies they can’t even sing from the same hymn sheet on President Obama with at least one Nazi leader saying the President has good values.
Some East coast Nazi groups hate ZOG and Israel more than Islam and in the past have had sit downs with Nation Of Islam , some of you in the US will remember when Skinhead groups took part in Pro Palistinian demos in California.

[cbreedon]

I take all threats to my country...I don't know what the DHS has been up to domestically other than deporting illegals since they own ICE, Border Patrol, and INS...but it seems to me we haven't gone after the domestic threat in this war on terror.
What domestic threat? There were a couple of nutjobs somewhat associated with a 'militia' 15 or so years ago who blew up a building and now every white guy with a gun is a threat. I find it scary that an active US soldier thinks like this...
DHS needs to worry about our borders and immigration... Joe Blow gun advocate is not a 'threat'

[SBL]

Lots of people were sent packing from the militias but where did they drift to?



The US nationalists and white power groups are so disparate that it’s pretty hard to get a handle on their ideologies they can’t even sing from the same hymn sheet on President Obama with at least one Nazi leader saying the President has good values.
Some East coast Nazi groups hate ZOG and Israel more than Islam and in the past have had sit downs with Nation Of Islam , some of you in the US will remember when Skinhead groups took part in Pro Palistinian demos in California.

That about sums it up, I think.

[seraosha]

Neo-Nazis teaming up with Palestinians to attack Israeli targets...ok, maybe.

But what does that have to do with militias collaborating with AQ in biological attacks against the US? Even renegade ex militia guys too far-out for their own whacky-pack of nuts are more likely to attack abortion clinics, blacks and other minorities than they are a shopping mall in Des Moines with anthrax.

But I'm not a LEO, nor a terrorist expert...I'm out of my depth...I'm just going by gut. Anyone with actual credentials want to weigh in?

[Soldat_Américain]

What domestic threat? There were a couple of nutjobs somewhat associated with a 'militia' 15 or so years ago who blew up a building and now every white guy with a gun is a threat. I find it scary that an active US soldier thinks like this...
DHS needs to worry about our borders and immigration... Joe Blow gun advocate is not a 'threat'
So you're saying there's no such thing as extremists in our own country, that seek to topple our government...now that sir I find scary.

[CMNot]

Frankly I'm stunned these farout nutters survived the Bush administration. Over here the WoT has given carte blanche for the Government to firmly attack fundementalist terror groups (animal rights activists, anti-abortion terrorists etc.).

It's the only aspect of the WoT that has gone anything like to plan for us it would appear so far.

[Dominique]

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.

It wouldn't be the first, or last time terror/extremist groups have worked with each other.


I call Bullsh!t.

Returning vets from Iraq/Afghanistan teaming up with Al Queda because they don't like the idea of a Black President?

What a load.

Where does it say "Returning vets from Iraq/Afghanistan" are the people they believe may involved in this?


Even a bunch of Government hating white guys in sheets aren't going to help a bunch of Muslim terrorists attack America...maybe try and get a few of them alone in a dark alley (or the piney woods), but as partners in attacking America?

Pics or it didn't happen. Too many of the stereotypical "good o'l Boys" have friends and family in the service to be helping the same guys shooting at their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters...and that's the recruiting pool for racist dirtbags, at least in my limited experience.


First off, you've got a warped view of who's involved in these groups, many are far from sheet wearing "good o'l boys", and just because someone has a relative serving in the military, or is/has served in the military, doesn't mean they can't harbor anti-government views.

What domestic threat?

Apparently you've have no idea what you're talking about, as there are sh*t load of groups that hate the government, US military, and America to begin with.


There were a couple of nutjobs somewhat associated with a 'militia' 15 or so years ago who blew up a building

And there are still pleanty of them running around planning for the next attack


and now every white guy with a gun is a threat.

With the exception of a few idiots, no one's saying they are.


I find it scary that an active US soldier thinks like this...

Like what, that there are people in the US, who are more than willing to try to use force to get what they want, or that there are nut jobs who want to overthrow the government?


DHS needs to worry about our borders and immigration... Joe Blow gun advocate is not a 'threat'

In addition to LE and immigration issues, DHS's job is to worry about any potential threat to the safety of the US, which, whether you agree with it or not, possible threats of attacks by US extremist groups. If they didn't, and an attack occurred, some of the same people on here bitching, would be the one's crying about how incompetent they were, and they should be disbanded.

[Hot Lips]

Returning vets from Iraq/Afghanistan teaming up with Al Queda because they don't like the idea of a Black President?

What a load.

It is a load that THAT's what you walked away with. That is a misguided (or intentional) over simplified mash up of information.

Odd that many of the same users are here to defend and seemingly identify themselves and veterans on a broad scale with white supremacist and terrorist when the DHS and other reports didn't actually do that.

Veterans, militias, and single issue voters are not immune to having asshats among them nor are groups on the other end of the spectrum. Why self identify with them? Reasonable people read these reports and understand that they don't apply to most people and that extremist tend to gravitate to certain hobbies, professions, issues, etc. It's not about the non-extremists, non-violent, reasonable people in these groups.

[cbreedon]

So you're saying there's no such thing as extremists in our own country, that seek to topple our government...now that sir I find scary.

I honestly don't believe that there is a credible internal threat from the militia types.

Plus I get worried when soldiers begin to see the population as a threat.

[Dominique]

I honestly don't believe that there is a credible internal threat from the militia types.

And you probably still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. These idiots get rounded up on the regular, by law enforcement. All it takes is for one of these morons to get lucky, and you have another OKC type incident.

[cbreedon]

Apparently you've have no idea what you're talking about, as there are sh*t load of groups that hate the government, US military, and America to begin with.

Just because they are a 'hate group' doesn't mean that they are a threat. People can be hatin' the Govt. That's called freedom of speech. Doesn't mean that they will do something to try and topple the Govt.


And there are still pleanty of them running around planning for the next attack

Maybe I am naive but I don't think outside the muslim areas that there is too much going on.


Like what, that there are people in the US, who are more than willing to try to use force to get what they want, or that there are nut jobs who want to overthrow the government?

That an active soldier feels that a right winger with guns is a threat




In addition to LE and immigration issues, DHS's job is to worry about any potential threat to the safety of the US, which, whether you agree with it or not, possible threats of attacks by US extremist groups. If they didn't, and an attack occurred, some of the same people on here bitching, would be the one's crying about how incompetent they were, and they should be disbanded.

I think if DHS worried about the border and immigrants, that 90% of their job would be done. I don't blame gov't agencies for terrorist attacks, I blame terrorists.

[cbreedon]

And you probably still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. These idiots get rounded up on the regular, by law enforcement. All it takes is for one of these morons to get lucky, and you have another OKC type incident.
Don't ruin my childhood fantasies. :)

I shoot alot and talk to other shooters and yeah I do hear some scary stuff from some people but I don't take them serious.... It's just shootin' the sh*t...

[Dominique]

Just because they are a 'hate group' doesn't mean that they are a threat. People can be hatin' the Govt. That's called freedom of speech. Doesn't mean that they will do something to try and topple the Govt.

It didn't say the did, but there are numerous extremist groups that engage in violence, or who's members have.


Maybe I am naive but I don't think outside the muslim areas that there is too much going on.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the first portion of your response.


That an active soldier feels that a right winger with guns is a threat

Where did he state that?


I think if DHS worried about the border and immigrants, that 90% of their job would be done. I don't blame gov't agencies for terrorist attacks, I blame terrorists.

While DHS is responsible for border security, many of the LE agencies, that DHS controls, don't have anything to do with enforcing immigration laws, or patrolling the border. And this may come as a shock to you, but most of the crime in the US is committed by Americans.

[Dominique]

Don't ruin my childhood fantasies. :)

I shoot alot and talk to other shooters and yeah I do hear some scary stuff from some people but I don't take them serious.... It's just shootin' the sh*t...

Not taking people seriously gets people killed.

[AOCBravo2004]

The Sum Of All Fears.....nuff said. If Tom Clancy wrote about it once then it must be true.....

[Dan2004]

Plus I get worried when soldiers begin to see the population as a threat.

I used to think like that for a long damn time. Because that's what I was taught and trained to believe. Usually every third or fourth UTA, we'd get a briefing/lecture by one of our NCOs on domestic threats. The biggest of which, apparently, was everybody! They would say stuff like "be suspicious of everyone, even your friends and neighbors, because they could be plotting to commit acts of terrorism."

When we would conduct CD and ACA exes, or even practice doing TCPs, ECPs, vehicle stops etc, we'd be told that everyone was opfor. I had some SFC, almost like he was offering up a little helpful hint or nugget of wisdom, tell me and a couple of other enlisted a few years ago "If you feel in your gut that you have to drag some motherf*cker out of his car and put the stock to his skull, don't hesitate, do it! We'll back you up." At the time, I went along with it, I was like "sweet!" I wanted to go f*ck people up.

In the last year something changed, I don't know what though. But when I hear stuff like that on duty now, it pisses me off.

[Chiptox]

I would bet that Timothy McVeigh was legitimately suprised when the US didn't rise with him after OKC. Instead the militia movement that he was a part of effectively disbanded. It was a slow build in the late '80s/early '90's with militias gaining more support after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The OKC bombings undid that. So much so that organizations such as the Aryan Nations that pre-dated the militia movement have since collapsed.

Where we are going and if the militia movement will return, I don't know. But it also reasonable to assume that if it does it will not be the same as it's previous self and may include and exclude other movements as well. Hopefully, DHS and other agencies will be able to handle it. Though it should be remembered that the government's "tough tactics" (or rather the perception of it) was one of the major contributors to the movements popularity in the first place.

[avedis]

I suppose DHS got this amazing info from watching re-runs of 24, jericho or sleeper cell. Even if there is a threat it was there way before Obama was in charge. I just love how the same people who bitched at the "evil neocons" of fear mongering over Al Qaeda are so concerned all of a sudden.

[Dominique]

I suppose DHS got this amazing info from watching re-runs of 24, jericho or sleeper cell. Even if there is a threat it was there way before Obama was in charge. I just love how the same people who bitched at the "evil neocons" of fear mongering over Al Qaeda are so concerned all of a sudden.

Thanks for the insightful input there speedy. Let's make sure DOJ and DHS put you on speed dial. I'm sure that with your vast experience in LE, CT, and security fields, you'll be able to set everyone strait on what's really going on. :roll: In other words, quite talking out your forth point of contact.

This isn't something that just popped on the radar. Local, state, and federal LE constantly issues reports, and monitors security threats in their areas of responsibility. The vast majority of you don't have clue as to what or who actual threats are. Or what precautions LE takes to prevent anything from happening. Instead, you sit around bitching and moaning on the internet, crying that the government is trying to get you.

[Albatross]

"The enemy of my enemy must be my friend."

The threat is valid, its their capabilites and differences that hinder them. A lot for those two groups to overcome to accomplish any mission.

[budgie]

But White Super-Humans taking up with Arabs?

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.

I can't take it too seriously either, but it's their job to investigate all leads. It seems these days every time the DHS mentions homegrown militias, it's mistaken for an Obamaite envirocommunisalmofascist anti-good-ol' boy plot, but really these are just leads, not genuine scares.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I honestly don't believe that there is a credible internal threat from the militia types.Militia's can better enable a person with extreme nationalist ideas to hook up with like minded others after all your hardly going to use Craig's List to find a fellow traveller. All the right ingredients are in the bowel for the mixing; a black Democrat president with an Islamic sounding name, a tanking economy that shed over 300,000 jobs in May alone and fairly high levels of illegal immigration.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

But White Super-Humans taking up with Arabs?

That last comment was of course tongue in cheek, but I just don't see it myself. Unless they apply the enemy of my enemy, is my friend into the mix.The American Front are pro Hamas and do on occasion distribute coherent flyers on their opposition on US involvement with Israel. Certain members of the NF in the UK supported the PLO with one former member just being released from prison in Cyprus for the killing of an Israeli on his yacht in the 80’s

[Scriptable]

U.S. counterterrorism officials have “authenticated” a video by a supposed al-Qaeda recruiter who claims he has the ability to smuggle a biological weapon into the United States via tunnels under the Mexico border.
If al-Qaeda can smuggle stuff via tunnels under the Mexico/US border, its far more likely to be enabled by non-ideological cooperation with drug related criminal organizations and gangs. Certainly al-Qaeda has ready access to high grade opium via Afghanistan and could use that as payment for smuggling favors via existing drug channels.

This is a *relatively* easy situation to address from a technical standpoint, but almost impossible to implement given current American policy and the addiction of certain corporations and enforcement agencies to the money that flows their way as a result of such policies.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If al-Qaeda can smuggle stuff via tunnels under the Mexico/US border, its far more likely to be enabled by non-ideological cooperation with drug related criminal organizations and gangs. Certainly al-Qaeda has ready access to high grade opium via Afghanistan and could use that as payment for smuggling favors via existing drug channels.

This is a *relatively* easy situation to address from a technical standpoint, but almost impossible to implement given current American policy and the addiction of certain corporations and enforcement agencies to the money that flows their way as a result of such policies.It would be something of coup for AL-Q if they could enable existing American anti-Govt groups some of whom might be willing to accept any help they can get. AL-Q can play a long game and do have assets that can pass themselves of disgruntled white guy.

[Scriptable]

It would be something of coup for AL-Q if they could enable existing American anti-Govt groups some of whom might be willing to accept any help they can get. AL-Q can play a long game and do have assets that can pass themselves of disgruntled white guy.
Existing anti-Gov groups simply do not have the massive resources and distribution channels of the big drug cartels. These criminal organizations don't give a crap about ideology and will happily do business with al-Q regardless of the consequences to American public.

[CMNot]

we'd get a briefing/lecture...on domestic threats. The biggest of which, apparently, was everybody!

Awesome quote, gave me a grin for the morning.

[Zarak]

I thought the whole point of White Supremacism was that they don't like non-Europeans? So why would they cooperate with Arab Muslims? It just doesn't make sense. White Supremacists are bad people on their but I don't see why there is an attempt to link them to Muslim Extremism, its pretty suspect.

Its the equivalent of 'Zionists and Nazis are teaming up to blow up your shopping mall'.

[avedis]

Thanks for the insightful input there speedy. Let's make sure DOJ and DHS put you on speed dial. I'm sure that with your vast experience in LE, CT, and security fields, you'll be able to set everyone strait on what's really going on. :roll: In other words, quite talking out your forth point of contact.

This isn't something that just popped on the radar. Local, state, and federal LE constantly issues reports, and monitors security threats in their areas of responsibility. The vast majority of you don't have clue as to what or who actual threats are. Or what precautions LE takes to prevent anything from happening. Instead, you sit around bitching and moaning on the internet, crying that the government is trying to get you.

Quite impressive. Spoken like a true pseudo insightful internet general. Please impress us with your insights and give us laymens a clue. And I believe I said "Even if there is a threat it was there way before Obama was in charge." So in other words its old news. K good night or good morning.

[Soldat_Américain]

Quite impressive. Spoken like a true pseudo insightful internet general. Please impress us with your insights and give us laymens a clue. And I believe I said "Even if there is a threat it was there way before Obama was in charge." So in other words its old news. K good night or good morning.
If I were you I would tighten up.

[avedis]

I thought the whole point of White Supremacism was that they don't like non-Europeans? So why would they cooperate with Arab Muslims? It just doesn't make sense. White Supremacists are bad people on their but I don't see why there is an attempt to link them to Muslim Extremism, its pretty suspect.

Its the equivalent of 'Zionists and Nazis are teaming up to blow up your shopping mall'.

Certain White Supremacist groups have a certain soft spot for the Arabs plight with the Jews (even in Europe). Besides as someone else probably mentioned "My enemy's enemy is my friend" may apply in some cases. After all the Nazi's hooked up with the Arabs back in the day. In other words it is not at all unlikely.

[avedis]

If I were you I would tighten up.

Or what risk getting banned? Just speaking my mind. If the internerd police gets all upset I can live with it. Thanks for the advice though, I may keep that in mind in the future.

[Geezah]

The American Front are pro Hamas and do on occasion distribute coherent flyers on their opposition on US involvement with Israel. Certain members of the NF in the UK supported the PLO with one former member just being released from prison in Cyprus for the killing of an Israeli on his yacht in the 80’s

You know, the crazy part about all this, the IRA supported the PLO, but NF/Nazi Skins(Screw Driver) hated the IRA.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Existing anti-Gov groups simply do not have the massive resources and distribution channels of the big drug cartels. These criminal organizations don't give a crap about ideology and will happily do business with al-Q regardless of the consequences to American public.And at the same time crime groups don't want to get burned, self preservation is strong within narco groups and even narco terror groups might balk at the thought losing valuable clients in a dirty bomb attack or with infected coke. There are few folk mostly Third Positionist types who hung around with the American Front in Bob Heick's day that might consider AL-Q to be a symptom of ZOG and not a straight up enemy. I don't really see any of the shirt and blazer east coast Nazi's getting involved with AL-Q they seem more preoccupied with attending IHR lectures and collecting Bund postcards and mementos, though once upon a time the NJ/NY Nazis were the most switched on to the Arab cause of all the US Nationalist groups.

[chauncy republicans]

Not taking people seriously gets people killed.
Poor target selection gets people killed.
Well Dom, given your God-like expertise on everything Mil. and L.E., which you never fail to condescendingly remind everybody of, surely you must realize that DHS has a limited amount of resources, and that they can't go chasing after every minnow that passes by.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You know, the crazy part about all this, the IRA supported the PLO, but NF/Nazi Skins(Screw Driver) hated the IRA.There is nothing rational or cohesive about these groups they tried with Colin Jordan to thrash out a global manifesto years ago but that fell on stony ground. Remember the BNP's ill fated diplomatic trip to Libya when they tried to gain fiscal support, the word has it the BNP tried to get a couple of business ventures going overseas as donations at the time could barely pay for the hire of a village hall.

[XShipRider]

This is the same DHS that gave us the Crayola terrorist threat level indicators. What color is associated with credible?

[Soldat_Américain]

This is the same DHS that gave us the Crayola terrorist threat level indicators. What color is associated with credible?
All I know is that every time I go through the Air Port it is like at a "High Level," and every time I have gone through the gate on base it has been a yellow.

[XShipRider]

It certainly doesn't seem consistent. Secrecy shrouds the true meanings which leaves the public cynical.

[Soldat_Américain]

there's like seven levels...no idea why it's not five...colors make it harder for normal people in general...because they go oh it's pink today sweet...wait what does that mean?

[AZZenny]

The original material was from an AQ Bahraini private funding tour, picked up and translated by the very-reliable MEMRI, and per the Washington Post (not Prisonplanet) being taken seriously by DHS in the sense that while they think this is just another AQ talking head misunderstanding US culture to suit himself, the guy is considered a leading idealogue. His ideas and advice are taken seriously by the AQ upper-echelon.

The stuff I've read suggested DHS was mainly interested by al-Nafisi's suck-up comments about Hezbollah and their capabilities. (They also 'shouldn't' be allies, but have been and will be under various circumstances.) The biological weapon and Mexican border pieces were what DHS really fastened on.

We know Hezb has been forging strong ties with Latin American (see: triborder region, Venezuela) and more recently Mexican smugglers and drug cartels (since they run a lively drug, kidnapping, weapons, and counterfeiting trade world-wide) to cross the SW US border more easily.

So the militia piece was more that AQ types may try to make inroads and this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand as absurd, as so many of you are ****e to do. Maybe 90% of white supremacists would prefer to blow AQ away, but there are also going to be uber-wacko anarchist types, or someone with paranoid over-reaching strategerie who thinks they can use AQ for their own ends -- or people who would help with logistics or whatever for enough money...

There have been much stranger bedfellows.

[Dominique]

Quite impressive. Spoken like a true pseudo insightful internet general. Please impress us with your insights and give us laymens a clue. And I believe I said "Even if there is a threat it was there way before Obama was in charge." So in other words its old news. K good night or good morning.

First of, I'm from an "internet general" and as far as immpressive comments go, when you start posting silly ass things like this:
I suppose DHS got this amazing info from watching re-runs of 24, jericho or sleeper cell. It's going to be a little hard for anyone to take you seriously. As far as the actual threat of domestic terror goes, there's been one for years, but people seem to have forgotten about it since 9/11.


Well Dom, given your God-like expertise on everything Mil. and L.E., which you never fail to condescendingly remind everybody of,

I'm not claiming to the all knowing, all seeing expert on every thing military and LE, but the fact is most of the people posting replies here are talking out their ass and don't have a clue what the hell they're talking about. And by reading some of the replies here, you should know that. And if they're putting out bad/inaccurate info, and I know it's wrong, I'm going to tell them, and I would hope you would do the same.

I'm not on here to bust anyone's balls, but lets fact it. Most of the general public goes through their day to day life without a clue as to what's going on behind the scenes. LE is out there every day looking out for you. The fact that you may not think something is credible, doesn't mean it can't happen. If someone told you that a sixty something year old grandmother was plotting to dump a 55 gallon drum of poison into a city's water supply, how many of you would believe it? Luckily someone checked out the tip, and she and her co-conspirators got busted before they could do it. If they don't check these things out, there's a chance it could happen. I may be preaching to the choir on this, but all it takes is one crackpot to get lucky, and he can cause untold damage.


surely you must realize that DHS has a limited amount of resources, and that they can't go chasing after every minnow that passes by.

I'm well aware of that, and while they can't devote resources to every lead that pops up, they have to at least check it out, and try to figure out if it's a viable threat. If they don't, as many LE agencies did prior to 9/11, you see what happens.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The original material was from an AQ Bahraini private funding tour, picked up and translated by the very-reliable MEMRI, and per the Washington Post (not Prisonplanet) being taken seriously by DHS in the sense that while they think this is just another AQ talking head misunderstanding US culture to suit himself, the guy is considered a leading idealogue. His ideas and advice are taken seriously by the AQ upper-echelon.

The stuff I've read suggested DHS was mainly interested by al-Nafisi's suck-up comments about Hezbollah and their capabilities. (They also 'shouldn't' be allies, but have been and will be under various circumstances.) The biological weapon and Mexican border pieces were what DHS really fastened on.

We know Hezb has been forging strong ties with Latin American (see: triborder region, Venezuela) and more recently Mexican smugglers and drug cartels (since they run a lively drug, kidnapping, weapons, and counterfeiting trade world-wide) to cross the SW US border more easily.

So the militia piece was more that AQ types may try to make inroads and this shouldn't be dismissed out of hand as absurd, as so many of you are ****e to do. Maybe 90% of white supremacists would prefer to blow AQ away, but there are also going to be uber-wacko anarchist types, or someone with paranoid over-reaching strategerie who thinks they can use AQ for their own ends -- or people who would help with logistics or whatever for enough money...

There have been much stranger bedfellows.MEMRI were once good but now have the standards of a tabloid, I trust their translations but since the outfit was left in the hands of some real numbnuts I ignore thier op eds.

[SilentType]

Come on folks.

You know where this is coming from.

It's being done to be "PC." We can't have DHS be seen as only targeting Muslims now can we? I mean we have to make it look as though "Whites" are as equally a threat and equally investigated.

Political Correctness runs wild during another Democratic Administration again. What a shocker.

Say what you want about McVeigh, but he was never linked to ANY organized militia or white supremacy group. While pipe bombs and illegal firearms are certainly areas of concern for law enforcement they do not even come close to the threat presented by al Qaeda.

[Soldat_Américain]

If you honestly think that then you're in for a rude awakening.

This is from 2005, but read it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column/

[Dominique]

Come on folks.

You know where this is coming from.

Exactly where is this supposed to be coming from? Enlighten us.


It's being done to be "PC." We can't have DHS be seen as only targeting Muslims now can we? I mean we have to make it look as though "Whites" are as equally a threat and equally investigated.

Political Correctness runs wild during another Democratic Administration again. What a shocker.

So investigating extremist groups is PC now?


Say what you want about McVeigh, but he was never linked to ANY organized militia or white supremacy group. While pipe bombs and illegal firearms are certainly areas of concern for law enforcement they do not even come close to the threat presented by al Qaeda.

McVeigh many not of been a member of any established group, but he and his buddies sure as hell associated with them, and hoped to gain there support, through their activities. Many of these groups are capable of doing a lot more than building a couple of pipe bombs. Until 9/11 you had a lot of people that thought AQ was nothing more than a bunch of "rag heads" living in caves, with a couple of AKs.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

McVeigh many not of been a member of any established group, but he and his buddies sure as hell associated with them, and hoped to gain there support, through their activities. Many of these groups are capable of doing a lot more than building a couple of pipe bombs. Until 9/11 you had a lot of people that thought AQ was nothing more than a bunch of "rag heads" living in caves, with a couple of AKs.Word. Some folks out there think that militias and WP groups have f**kin membership lists and articles of incorporation, McVeigh hung out with a few groups and thats what many of these people do "just hang out".

[California Joe]

It's like a moron wankfest in here.

[Dominique]

Some folks out there think that militias and WP groups have f**kin membership lists and articles of incorporation,

Actually some of them do.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Actually some of them do.Jeez thats just dumb. But hey makes the job a lot easier for you guys.:)

[Dominique]

Jeez thats just dumb.

Not all white supremacist, and extremist groups engage in illegal activities. It makes it easier for them to keep track of their own members, and ensures they're all at least on the same sheet of music.

[AZZenny]

MEMRI were once good but now have the standards of a tabloid, I trust their translations but since the outfit was left in the hands of some real numbnuts I ignore thier op eds.

This was only a translation. I rarely read the op-eds or analyses, so didn't know about a drop in standards. Too bad.

Anyhow, my broader point stands.

[SilentType]

So investigating extremist groups is PC now?

McVeigh many not of been a member of any established group, but he and his buddies sure as hell associated with them, and hoped to gain there support, through their activities. Many of these groups are capable of doing a lot more than building a couple of pipe bombs. Until 9/11 you had a lot of people that thought AQ was nothing more than a bunch of "rag heads" living in caves, with a couple of AKs.

Law enforcement is not some endless well of resources. Both man power and funding is limited by real world economic restraints.

The investigations of "militias" or "white supremacists" were carried out heavily throughout the 1990's under the Clinton Administration. While terrorists were training in flight schools people like yourself were forcing federal law enforcement to spend their time at local militia meetings looking for short barreled rifles.

I think any reasonable person can recognize that we currently have both unsecured borders and ports. We also have many in this country illegally who are unknown to the federal government. In addition, the U.S. visa programs need to be revamped and security at critical areas of our society need to be improved.

However, instead of allocating our limited resources toward preventing actual threats we're going to go chase down fat guys in Michigan wearing army surplus camo. This is being done for only one logical reason and that's to be Politically Correct. For every agent you place at some militia or Klan meeting that's one less agent allocated toward known and proven threats.

Local and state officials can handle the petty crimes committed by White Supremacists and Militia nuts. The Federal Governments resources are best spent in protecting this nation from viable threats through practical measures. If state of local law enforcement alert the Federal Government to some conspiracy that crosses state or international borders than the Feds should step in. Otherwise, it's a waste of their time and precious resources.

[Soldat_Américain]

Law enforcement is not some endless well of resources. Both man power and funding is limited by real world economic restraints.

The investigations of "militias" or "white supremacists" were carried out heavily throughout the 1990's under the Clinton Administration. While terrorists were training in flight schools people like yourself were forcing federal law enforcement to spend their time at local militia meetings looking for short barreled rifles.

I think any reasonable person can recognize that we currently have both unsecured borders and ports. We also have many in this country illegally who are unknown to the federal government. In addition, the U.S. visa programs need to be revamped and security at critical areas of our society need to be improved.

However, instead of allocating our limited resources toward preventing actual threats we're going to go chase down fat guys in Michigan wearing army surplus camo. This is being done for only one logical reason and that's to be Politically Correct. For every agent you place at some militia or Klan meeting that's one less agent allocated toward known and proven threats.

Local and state officials can handle the petty crimes committed by White Supremacists and Militia nuts. The Federal Governments resources are best spent in protecting this nation from viable threats through practical measures. If state of local law enforcement alert the Federal Government to some conspiracy that crosses state or international borders than the Feds should step in. Otherwise, it's a waste of their time and precious resources.
I honestly don't get you, you want the government to focus all of its resources abroad and not try and protect from a domestic threat...if I remember correctly my oath says something about "all threats foreign and domestic."

[seraosha]

I honestly don't get you, you want the government to focus all of its resources abroad and not try and protect from a domestic threat...if I remember correctly my oath says something about "all threats foreign and domestic."

And look where the last attack came from, a recent convert to Islam that opened fire on some Army dudes at a recruiting center...who apparently was already under surveillance...so where was the Klans involvement? By all means, DHS needs to look at threats, and sure, maybe they have info that isn't available to us (Jesus I hope so) but this isn't passing the litmus test. You want a disenfranchised group? Try AIM. My friends in that org basically consider all you whiteys as valid targets, some more than others, but you want to see folks with a valid beef, try the Reservations.

[Soldat_Américain]

And look where the last attack came from, a recent convert to Islam that opened fire on some Army dudes at a recruiting center...who apparently was already under surveillance...so where was the Klans involvement? By all means, DHS needs to look at threats, and sure, maybe they have info that isn't available to us (Jesus I hope so) but this isn't passing the litmus test. You want a disenfranchised group? Try AIM. My friends in that org basically consider all you whiteys as valid targets, some more than others, but you want to see folks with a valid beef, try the Reservations.
I'm just saying to not be ignorant, and that there is a prevalent domestic threat.

[Walter Sobchak]

I have a hard time imagining Christian Identity types being able to communicate with an Islamist without it turning into a pissing match.

Don't both groups hunt each other in the prison system as well?

X2+

Yeah, Nation of Islam sleeping with the Aryan Brotherhood? I'm sure they'd get about as far and walking into the same room together before they'd kill each other!

[drunken sailor]

This is the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen. If some terrorist wanted to blow anything up here all they have to do is walk across our unprotected border. Our government is so full of ****. They make this crap up so they can go after our constitutionally granted Militias. The same militias that will protect everyday Americans from any threat. Foreign or our evil ass government.

Ask yourself this, Why do we still have real Arab terrorist training camps in the frickin USA that they don't mess with?

Yet they will go after Americans that are not breaking any laws.

Our government had better not think about touching anymore militias.

If our government does make a move on the American Militias then the Militias and many Americans will hit back hard. They are ready for it. Ruby Ridge should prove to you that our stinking government is evil.

You guys need to open your eyes, The whole AQ terror threat was made up by our government to one give us an excuse to control the oil in the mid-east and to take as many rights away from everyday Americans as possible so they have total control.

Bin Laden was a CIA asset who was paid handsomely to fight the Soviets. Now all of a sudden he hates us, Give me a break. Bin Laden said himself right after 9/11 that he did not order the attack, Then days later we get a fake ass tape of him claiming that he did although the person speaking was not even talking like a true Muslim.

He ( OBL ) aka Tim Osborn was killed by his own people after he led them into a trap in Torah Bora ( for the media show )and it was done by his right hand man with Omar Shieh help. Thats why we only heard from #2 for along time. Its common knowledge in Pakistan. Now we get hair care for men OBL pics and BS audio. Hell the CIA was already caught releasing one before they had made up their cover story. One of the terrorist internet headquarters was right in Tampa though it had no Arab people working there, What a shock. It was a CIA front company.

Ask yourself why we pussy foot around in Afghanistan with so little troops if they are that big of a threat. Why do we let Pakistan get away with murder. Then to go into Iraq where there really were not many terrorist at all. Just some ridiculous leader with a mangled army.

Its all Bull ****. Period!!!

Watch out for the little terrorist good boys and girls while we steal all your money and your rights.

You can expect them to start another war by the end of July, The Gog-Magog war with Russia its allies and Iran. I would think that Israel hits Iran and all hell breaks loose causing that one. Russia will pay dearly for marching on Israel. That will bring about the one world government and currency as well as Obama being the leader.

Mark my words its coming and be warned. July 11th is the date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXUY4hJAxpY&feature=related

[California Joe]

You're a seriously delusional f*cking moonbat aren't you.

[drunken sailor]

You're a seriously delusional f*cking moonbat aren't you.


Well I'm definitely not brainwashed. Explain why OBL is not the most wanted man on the FBI list? Explain why he is not wanted for the 9/11 attacks. Explain why Bush came out years ago and said well OBL is not relevant anymore.

Check out your most wanted terrorist buddy. Scroll to find a non Arab animal activist.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg Are you calling her an idiot too?

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.



MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATHUSAMA BIN LADEN

Outside of the U.S., Well N.Y. is definitely inside cowboy
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

[cbreedon]

just when I thought this thread was petering out... popcorn and beer...

[Holmes85]

I'm very confused, when did this become a debate about the End of the World?

[seraosha]

You're a seriously delusional f*cking moonbat aren't you.

I'm telling you man, it's your cologne.

[Scriptable]

I'm very confused, when did this become a debate about the End of the World?
Nutcases having been screaming that the end of the world is imminent for 2000 years, usually when they're about too get their asses kicked for their idiocy, and see signs everywhere pointing to doom. Sometimes they try to help it along with a bit of mass murder.

[AZZenny]

I was reviewing my notes from an Israeli CounterTerror Conference I went to last Sept. There was one session on recruitment of non-Arab jihadis in Europe, mainly presented by a German guy and a Bosnian cop (although their views were also largely echoed by a British guy who had left Hizb ut Tahrir.)

Both of them said that the young white men being identified for recruitment -- for conversion and indoctrination -- are not of a religious bent at all -- they are guys who were leaning towards or already marginally involved in skinhead-type white-supremacist affiliations, sometimes with a minor connection to criminal gangs or at least brushes with authority figures. They need clear, us-vs-them rigid authority to feel comfortable, and you just have to shift their initial idea of who is the powerful 'us' and who is the despised 'them.'


They are spoon-fed a very narrow version of Islam -- basically violent jihad being the only righteous path and being above man-made law, and that being a Muslim warrior gives them a new, global high-status identity. Probably most Muslims wouldn't even recognize it as Islam, just as these guys, when they have been able to interview them, have no clue about anything in Islam BUT Jihad.

Why would it be any different in the USA?

[drunken sailor]

Why would it be any different in the USA?



Because they one don't need any help from any Americans when our own government protects them. No American militia would even think about associating with these scumbags, They would kill them at the first chance they got or turn them over to the Feds.

Why does this go on if our government is not complicate? I would love an answer. The patriot act gives the gov the authority to lock them all up yet we real Americans are persecuted.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494424,00.html

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279

http://homelandsecurityus.com/?page_id=1046

If the feds will not shut them down we Americans will.

[Soldat_Américain]

Because they one don't need any help from any Americans when our own government protects them. No American militia would even think about associating with these scumbags, They would kill them at the first chance they got or turn them over to the Feds.

Why does this go on if our government is not complicate? I would love an answer. The patriot act gives the gov the authority to lock them all up yet we real Americans are persecuted.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494424,00.html

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279

http://homelandsecurityus.com/?page_id=1046

If the feds will not shut them down we Americans will.

What makes you a "real" American? There is a Domestic threat at home whether you will choose to pull your head out or not.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

X2+

Yeah, Nation of Islam sleeping with the Aryan Brotherhood? I'm sure they'd get about as far and walking into the same room together before they'd kill each other!Some of the older American Front people and your more traditional National Socialists will share common ground with Nation of Islam and American Front were pro Hamas and Hizbollah before Lynch took over. The now defunct American Nazi Party had several meetings with Nation of Islam and in the early 90’s there was contact between NJ/NY Nazis and Nation of Islam members to discuss mutual concerns.

Photo of Rockwell attending a NOI meeting in 1961

[drunken sailor]

What makes you a "real" American? There is a Domestic threat at home whether you will choose to pull your head out or not.

I am native American oh intelligent one. Not someone who got their papers being born in some other country. So who is this domestic threat coming from in your opinion? The militias who are for defense of the American people or Arab terrorist groups. They don't mingle, If you think they do then you have never seen America buddy.

[drunken sailor]

Some of the older American Front people and your more traditional National Socialists will share common ground with Nation of Islam and American Front were pro Hamas and Hizbollah before Lynch took over. The now defunct American Nazi Party had several meetings with Nation of Islam and in the early 90’s there was contact between NJ/NY Nazis and Nation of Islam members to discuss mutual concerns.

Photo of Rockwell attending a NOI meeting in 1961

You need to study the link between Hitler and his allied Arab states. Given the chance he would have killed them all after he defeated the Allied powers. The NAZIS would use anyone to further their goal of world domination. They now know that doing that would backfire big time. The Muslim brotherhood was designed to be NAZI in form, They loved Hitlers methods.

[Soldat_Américain]

Which "Militia" do you belong to? Oh I have seen America, having been born in the other Lone Star Republic(California). And Obama was born in Hawaii. What brand of tinfoil do you use?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You need to study the link between Hitler and his allied Arab states. Given the chance he would have killed them all after he defeated the Allied powers. The NAZIS would use anyone to further their goal of world domination. They now know that doing that would backfire big time. The Muslim brotherhood was designed to be NAZI in form, They loved Hitlers methods.I do agree and the photo was taken in 1961 but there have been less public meetings since then, and people such as Tom Metzger promote and encourage ties with any group in the US who are anti ZOG
I agree that most militia members would have ideological issues dealing with Jihadist groups but some who have cultivated a more 3rd Positionist ideology may not have any qualms accepting help from Middle Eastern agents or Islamic entities.

[drunken sailor]

Which "Militia" do you belong to? Oh I have seen America, having been born in the other Lone Star Republic(California). And Obama was born in Hawaii. What brand of tinfoil do you use?

(California). Figures, Land of the immigrant and laking of common sense.

(And Obama was born in Hawaii). Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Grow up and open your eyes. You have allot of learning to do.

So do you stand with your American people or do you believe and do everything that your government tells you? Try thinking for yourself.

Ask yourself why our government is recruiting young kids and teaching them military training at 13. Ask yourself why Obama needs his own army of SS based at our Universities.

(What brand of tinfoil do you use?) Not to partial.

[chauncy republicans]

This is the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen. If some terrorist wanted to blow anything up here all they have to do is walk across our unprotected border. Our government is so full of ****. They make this crap up so they can go after our constitutionally granted Militias. The same militias that will protect everyday Americans from any threat. Foreign or our evil ass government.

Ask yourself this, Why do we still have real Arab terrorist training camps in the frickin USA that they don't mess with?

Yet they will go after Americans that are not breaking any laws.

Our government had better not think about touching anymore militias.

If our government does make a move on the American Militias then the Militias and many Americans will hit back hard. They are ready for it. Ruby Ridge should prove to you that our stinking government is evil.

You guys need to open your eyes, The whole AQ terror threat was made up by our government to one give us an excuse to control the oil in the mid-east and to take as many rights away from everyday Americans as possible so they have total control.

Bin Laden was a CIA asset who was paid handsomely to fight the Soviets. Now all of a sudden he hates us, Give me a break. Bin Laden said himself right after 9/11 that he did not order the attack, Then days later we get a fake ass tape of him claiming that he did although the person speaking was not even talking like a true Muslim.

He ( OBL ) aka Tim Osborn was killed by his own people after he led them into a trap in Torah Bora ( for the media show )and it was done by his right hand man with Omar Shieh help. Thats why we only heard from #2 for along time. Its common knowledge in Pakistan. Now we get hair care for men OBL pics and BS audio. Hell the CIA was already caught releasing one before they had made up their cover story. One of the terrorist internet headquarters was right in Tampa though it had no Arab people working there, What a shock. It was a CIA front company.

Ask yourself why we pussy foot around in Afghanistan with so little troops if they are that big of a threat. Why do we let Pakistan get away with murder. Then to go into Iraq where there really were not many terrorist at all. Just some ridiculous leader with a mangled army.

Its all Bull ****. Period!!!

Watch out for the little terrorist good boys and girls while we steal all your money and your rights.

You can expect them to start another war by the end of July, The Gog-Magog war with Russia its allies and Iran. I would think that Israel hits Iran and all hell breaks loose causing that one. Russia will pay dearly for marching on Israel. That will bring about the one world government and currency as well as Obama being the leader.

Mark my words its coming and be warned. July 11th is the date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXUY4hJAxpY&feature=related
I don't LOL very often, cool story bro.


A quick glancing through Mathew 24:

36 But concerning that day and that hour, no man knows, not the angels of the skies, but the Father alone.
37 Just as in the days of Noah, so will the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as the people before the flood were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered into the ark,
39 And they knew nothing until the flood came and carried them all away; such will be the coming of the Son of man.
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42 Be alert, therefore, for you do not know at what hour your Lord will come.
43 But know this much, if the master of the house knew at what watch the thief comes, he would keep awake and not let his house be plundered.
44 For this reason, you also be ready, for the Son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45 Who, then, is the faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord has appointed over his household, to give them food in due time?
46 Blessed is that servant, when his Lord comes and finds him doing this.
47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all that he has.
48 But if a bad servant should say in his heart, My lord will delay his coming,
49 And he begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with drunkards,
50 The Lord of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know.

[Soldat_Américain]

I don't LOL very often, cool story bro.


A quick glancing through Mathew 24:
what are you saying here Chauncy? And if I may say so, I wish I was as well versed in the good book as you are.

[Hot Lips]

So do you stand with your American people or do you believe and do everything that your government tells you? Try thinking for yourself.

"The government" is not some entity from outerspace. It is comprised of fellow Americans both at the State and Federal level, including respected members of mp.net. Average citizens whose day job just happens to be working for the people, soldiers who defend the people, officials elected by the people to represent them, etc.

You may own guns and belong to a "militia", but you do not speak for "we Americans".

Please, get help before paranoia and delusions of grandeur lead you to hurting someone.

[Dan2004]

Drunken sailor is an agent provocateur. p-)

[chauncy republicans]

what are you saying here Chauncy? And if I may say so, I wish I was as well versed in the good book as you are.
Only the Father will know the time of Jesus' return, it's kind of like a surprise inspection.

[Holmes85]

I still have no clue as to how the 'End Days' got into all of this.:|

[Chiptox]

I still have no clue as to how the 'End Days' got into all of this.:|
This thread is a brain hemorrhage in text form.

[Scriptable]

Only the Father will know the time of Jesus' return, it's kind of like a surprise inspection.
Kind of like a surprise inspection by Kim Jong-il... eternal torture for you, and you, and you over there too, no no... not you... that guy over there who is a chronic masturbator, and you there too. What? No, no virgins for you, sorry Mr bin Laden. And all you Jews over there... guess what? Your new best friends in Hell are the Palestinians and Iranians. And you Creationists over there, I'm reincarnating you as monkeys for being such dumbasses, cheers.