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afrographX
06-30-2004, 09:22 AM
Israel's High Court has ordered changes to the route of the West Bank barrier, saying it is hurting Palestinians.

It said the route around Jerusalem must be changed to reduce hardships, even if that meant less security for Israel.

The BBC's Barbara Plett in Jerusalem says the ruling sets a precedent for other legal disputes about the barrier.

Israel says the barrier is necessary to keep out suicide bombers; Palestinians call it a land grab that divides people from their families, jobs and schools.

The decision comes before a non-binding ruling by the UN's top court on the legality of the controversial network of fences and walls, planned to extend for 640km (400 miles) through occupied territory.

The International Court of Justice was asked to examine the issue last December amid mounting international concern and has said it will release its findings on 9 July.

'Delicate balance'

The landmark ruling by the High Court of Justice affects a 30km (19-mile) section of the barrier to the north-west of Jerusalem.

The case was launched by Palestinian residents who said the barrier would disrupt the lives of 45,000 people in 10 villages by cutting them off from farms, schools and jobs.

The three-judge panel of Israel's highest court decided the government had the right to build the barrier and that construction was permissible on occupied land but that an alternative route was possible.

"The route disrupts the delicate balance between the obligation of the military commander to preserve security and his obligation to provide for the needs of the local inhabitants," said the ruling from Chief Justice Aharon Barak and Justices Mishael Heshin and Eliyahu Matza.

"The route that the military commander established for the security fence... injures the local inhabitants in a severe and acute way while violating their rights under humanitarian and international law."

The decision sets a precedent for cases in more than 20 other petitions against sections of the barrier which have either been built or are planned.

Mohammed Dahla, a lawyer representing the Palestinians hailed what he called a "courageous and very important" decision.

"This decision is more important than the one at The Hague because this one will be followed," he said outside the court.

"It says what we said from the beginning, that the building of the wall as it is being built is illegal and that there is another way to build it that will give security to Israel but won't violate Palestinian rights."

Israel's defence ministry said the ruling would be complied with in full and a new route would be drawn up.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei insisted that the whole barrier should be torn down.

"It's a racist separation wall and therefore it should fall. There is no other alternative," he said.

Construction of the section of the barrier affected by the ruling was frozen by the court in March while the case was pending.

there seem to be at least some reasonable israelis in charge


source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3852385.stm

UoUo
06-30-2004, 09:27 AM
:roll:

Moledet
06-30-2004, 09:33 AM
As always the supreme court is endangering Jews.

S'13
06-30-2004, 09:42 AM
Great... Our security doesn't depend on the IDF or the elected government but on the ruling of three judges. :roll: :fork:

big80a2
06-30-2004, 09:55 AM
Israel's High Court has ordered changes to the route of the West Bank barrier, saying it is hurting Palestinians.

It said the route around Jerusalem must be changed to reduce hardships, even if that meant less security for Israel.

The BBC's Barbara Plett in Jerusalem says the ruling sets a precedent for other legal disputes about the barrier.

Israel says the barrier is necessary to keep out suicide bombers; Palestinians call it a land grab that divides people from their families, jobs and schools.

The decision comes before a non-binding ruling by the UN's top court on the legality of the controversial network of fences and walls, planned to extend for 640km (400 miles) through occupied territory.

The International Court of Justice was asked to examine the issue last December amid mounting international concern and has said it will release its findings on 9 July.

'Delicate balance'

The landmark ruling by the High Court of Justice affects a 30km (19-mile) section of the barrier to the north-west of Jerusalem.

The case was launched by Palestinian residents who said the barrier would disrupt the lives of 45,000 people in 10 villages by cutting them off from farms, schools and jobs.

The three-judge panel of Israel's highest court decided the government had the right to build the barrier and that construction was permissible on occupied land but that an alternative route was possible.

"The route disrupts the delicate balance between the obligation of the military commander to preserve security and his obligation to provide for the needs of the local inhabitants," said the ruling from Chief Justice Aharon Barak and Justices Mishael Heshin and Eliyahu Matza.

"The route that the military commander established for the security fence... injures the local inhabitants in a severe and acute way while violating their rights under humanitarian and international law."

The decision sets a precedent for cases in more than 20 other petitions against sections of the barrier which have either been built or are planned.

Mohammed Dahla, a lawyer representing the Palestinians hailed what he called a "courageous and very important" decision.

"This decision is more important than the one at The Hague because this one will be followed," he said outside the court.

"It says what we said from the beginning, that the building of the wall as it is being built is illegal and that there is another way to build it that will give security to Israel but won't violate Palestinian rights."

Israel's defence ministry said the ruling would be complied with in full and a new route would be drawn up.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei insisted that the whole barrier should be torn down.

"It's a racist separation wall and therefore it should fall. There is no other alternative," he said.

Construction of the section of the barrier affected by the ruling was frozen by the court in March while the case was pending.

there seem to be at least some reasonable israelis in charge


source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3852385.stm

so time to shut up.
Israel can judge for themselfs.
Well the fence will have a new route.

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 10:29 AM
I love how the Palestinians bitched about "losing" a couple of metres because of the fence, in areas that would have most likely never had been used for anything.

Fargin
06-30-2004, 10:42 AM
I love how the Palestinians bitched about "losing" a couple of metres because of the fence, in areas that would have most likely never had been used for anything.


The landmark ruling by the High Court of Justice affects a 30km (19-mile) section of the barrier to the north-west of Jerusalem.

The case was launched by Palestinian residents who said the barrier would disrupt the lives of 45,000 people in 10 villages by cutting them off from farms, schools and jobs.

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 10:45 AM
Theirs always checkpoints, this is not the Berlin wall after all. If a person passes the checkpoint, they can go to their work/farm/school if they want to.

Javehn
06-30-2004, 10:57 AM
Well , the problem is , that there are openings in the gates that opens in predetermined hours and let people go to work/school/farming . And there is also the security road nearby the fence , and it's based on the land of the locals (in this part) .

Anyway , i certainly bellieve in our high court , and that make us keep the high moral ground . But that's what I have read today in Islamic forum (expect the local fictionary tales that repeats there every day) :

Nothing .

The last topic there is "Erez Israel-The ideological factor for invading Iraq" ..

Freeking hell .

afrographX
06-30-2004, 12:11 PM
But that's what I have read today in Islamic forum (expect the local fictionary tales that repeats there every day) :

Nothing .

The last topic there is "Erez Israel-The ideological factor for invading Iraq" ..

Freeking hell .

what do you want to say us with that?


Theirs always checkpoints, this is not the Berlin wall after all. If a person passes the checkpoint, they can go to their work/farm/school if they want to.

The problem is that people often have to make enormous detours which complicates life even more. Moreover they have to bear this checkpoint thing. Would you like to get treated like a terrorist day by day?

UkrainianAmerican
06-30-2004, 12:12 PM
But that's what I have read today in Islamic forum (expect the local fictionary tales that repeats there every day) :

Nothing .

The last topic there is "Erez Israel-The ideological factor for invading Iraq" ..

Freeking hell .

what do you want to say us with that?


Theirs always checkpoints, this is not the Berlin wall after all. If a person passes the checkpoint, they can go to their work/farm/school if they want to.

The problem is that people often have to make enormous detours which complicates life even more. Moreover they have to bear this checkpoint thing. Would you like to get treated like a terrorist day by day?
Would you like to have your family die in a suicide bombing. Day by day?

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:16 PM
Would you like to have your family die in a suicide bombing. Day by day?

You took the words right out of my mouth... ;)

afrographX
06-30-2004, 12:16 PM
no, but i wouldn't like my country to inavde palestine and suppress the Palestinian people either!

UkrainianAmerican
06-30-2004, 12:18 PM
no, but i wouldn't like my country to suppress the Palestinian people either!
Thier rights are being oppressed by PA, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al-aqsa loser Brigade, and Fat-ah.

Javehn
06-30-2004, 12:20 PM
Here this starts .

When Israel does something in favor of Palestinians , it's our fault. And when there is suicide bombing it's our fault .

Shut the hell up allready , and anough with your statements , trust me they have **** behind them .

Javehn
06-30-2004, 12:29 PM
You know , after first Intifada , IDF generals turned to Sociology proffesor and asked him to write a book about the geopolitical historical reasons for Intifada outbirst . The book was more then 1000 pages old . After 30 pages of it I was pretty amazed , and after 50 pages it become to hard to understand it .

So if you think you can explain ALL OF IT , what took in that book for 1000 pages in one simple sentence you made , you ain't showing any careness to anyone . You just showing some blissed ignorance .

Mongrel
06-30-2004, 12:38 PM
Well the area has been in conflict one way or the other for over 1000+ years. Messages on an internet board are not going to solve the problems.

IMHO the problems are internal on BOTH sides of the fence.

Just my two bitz.

Cheers!
M.

He219
06-30-2004, 12:38 PM
When does the International Court of Justice issue it's ruling on the legality of the security barrier?



Edit: never mind, July 9th, just read it ...

/McH\
06-30-2004, 12:42 PM
When does the International Court of Justice issue it's ruling on the legality of the separation barrier?

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