EP elections, Hungary

[gazell]

'Hungary's nationalist right wing party Jobbik (movement for a Better Hungary) was the clear winner of this weekend's EP elections, collecting 14.77% of the votes, nearly three times as much as pollsters had predicted, giving the extreme right three seats out of Hungary's quota of 22 in the European Parliament.

Most of the votes were collected by senior opposition party Fidesz (56.37%, 14 seats) which triumphed in every single region, every single county in Hungary and also every single district of the capital Budapest. Though far-right Jobbik's surprise surge meant Fidesz fell short of the two-thirds majority, their triumph was extremely convincing, Gábor Ambrus of 4Cast noted.

The Socialists crushed however even worse than expected, scoring 17.38% only and getting a mere four seats in the EP while pollster predicted five or six seats. MSZP scored less than half of what arch rival Fidesz managed to achieve.'

http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=6&i=17762

I well could imagine them finishing between 20-30% in certain areas, but they have surpassed even that in a few places. Politicians really need to try and take the situation a lot more seriously.

[Murus]

I well could imagine them finishing between 20-30% in certain areas, but they have surpassed even that in a few places. Politicians really need to try and take the situation a lot more seriously.


I think, not just politicians need to take this seriously. I am a bit surprised that they didn't manage it to get into the Parliament on the last elections. Next year they will be there and I bet with more members.
I heard today Kristina Morvai on tv, she can be very convincing.

[gazell]

And she has got good ****, yes, they are selling themselves well, wisened up all right, but the real problem is that some people are really that desperate.

[Murus]

And she has got good ****, yes, they are selling themselves well, wisened up all right, but the real problem is that some people are really that desperate.


Due to the financial situation, they will be more and more. And yes they can sell themselfs well, that shows that we should take them more serious, trying to make themself presentable.

(Forget her look, she is a devoted feminist...)

[gazell]

Unfortunately, it's quite likely, they will gain a few more percents, depending, what clowning happens till election time.

**** only mentioned for media success. And the free campaign the leftish govs and media gave them was amazing. According to a survey a little time back the third of those questioned did not know the Jobbik existed. ?????????

Real neo-nazi organisations, like the National Army - if they have a name translation, I do not know of it - do not get a mention, just frustrating everybody about these Guardist boys. There are guys about giving more reason to worry.

[Connaught Ranger]

http://www.worthynews.com/5782-hungarys-anti-roma-anti-jewish-party-marching-to-europe-special-feature

Any comments?

[Murus]

http://www.worthynews.com/5782-hungarys-anti-roma-anti-jewish-party-marching-to-europe-special-feature

Any comments?


To be honest, no comment. It isn't new to me. I live here, I see it almost every day in the news, sometimes on the sreets too... but I think you see something similar in Romania as well.

[Connaught Ranger]

To be honest, no comment. It isn't new to me. I live here, I see it almost every day in the news, sometimes on the sreets too... but I think you see something similar in Romania as well.

No, cant say I have seen any guys in uniforms parading about the streets quasi-nazi fashion, hassling ethnic minorities, (the only uniforms seen here are the Police, Jandamaria, Community Police and occasionally the Army)

I know they are "organisations" active in Hungary and Bulgaria.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[Murus]

Not in uniform, but far-right guys, nationalist are in Romania as well. What about the Partidul România-Mare (I think that is the Romanian name of the party)?
It is just showing that far-right parties and "organizations" are getting more powerful in the whole area, not just in Hungary.

[cmc]

Not in uniform, but far-right guys, nationalist are in Romania as well. What about the Partidul România-Mare (I think that is the Romanian name of the party)?
It is just showing that far-right parties and "organizations" are getting more powerful in the whole area, not just in Hungary.

Don't confuse "Partidul România-Mare" fans with nazis. They are just moron football fans or old timers trying to remember "the good old days". There are NO pro-nazi demonstrations in Romania. The closest thing is "noua dreapta", but they are nowhere near to what is in Hungary today... they mostly demostrate against "gay-parades" :)

[Derbedeu]

Don't confuse "Partidul România-Mare" fans with nazis. They are just moron football fans or old timers trying to remember "the good old days". There are NO pro-nazi demonstrations in Romania. The closest thing is "noua dreapta", but they are nowhere near to what is in Hungary today... they mostly demostrate against "gay-parades" :)

Luckily enough we don't have any pro-nazi demonstrators, those old timers and football owners (Becali) are still quite an embarrassment. Speaking of that idiot Becali did he win? What about Elena Basescu?

[23EightySix]

No, cant say I have seen any guys in uniforms parading about the streets quasi-nazi fashion, hassling ethnic minorities, (the only uniforms seen here are the Police, Jandamaria, Community Police and occasionally the Army)

No, you dont see these things because such is the official stance of the Romanian government towards it's Hungarian minority. As such, rightwing movements arent even needed. We can even point to the recent dismissal and expulsion of Hungarian professionals from public office as an example of Romania's ethnic discrimination against it's indigenous population.

[Derbedeu]

Let's not turn this into a Hungary vs. Romania thread, ok. The fact of the matter is that both countries unfortunately have plenty of problems. But these problems are NOT a barometer of their people. I've been to Hungary, and I came away with an impression of some very kind, generous, and wonderful people. I'm sure Hungarians who've visited Romania can say the same. We shouldn't let a rift develop between us because of some few idiots on both sides.

[Murus]

Let's not turn this into a Hungary vs. Romania thread, ok. The fact of the matter is that both countries unfortunately have plenty of problems. But these problems are NOT a barometer of their people. I've been to Hungary, and I came away with an impression of some very kind, generous, and wonderful people. I'm sure Hungarians who've visited Romania can say the same. We shouldn't let a rift develop between us because of some few idiots on both sides.


You are right. The Romanian party was just an exemple for me, I had no intention something bad against Romania. I definitly think that the area is getting more radical, not just Hungary, some of the neighbor countries as well.

[Connaught Ranger]

Luckily enough we don't have any pro-nazi demonstrators, those old timers and football owners (Becali) are still quite an embarrassment. Speaking of that idiot Becali did he win? What about Elena Basescu?

The are some young arsewipes here going on about the old Iron Guard, in fact U-Lube:p is full of videos of them from the WW2 period, and lots of praise, lucky for Romania they never amounted for much back then or now.

Gigi Becali the millionaire sheep herder and football club owner did win, despite having spent a couple of weeks in prison, as did the Presidents daughter Elena, who I believe stood as an independent candidate (please feel free correct me if I am wrong) she is far easier on the eye than the clown gigi (****ounced Gee Gee).

Connaught Ranger.

[Connaught Ranger]

No, you dont see these things because such is the official stance of the Romanian government towards it's Hungarian minority. As such, rightwing movements arent even needed. We can even point to the recent dismissal and expulsion of Hungarian professionals from public office as an example of Romania's ethnic discrimination against it's indigenous population.

:cantbeli:Get a life kid.

[gazell]

http://www.worthynews.com/5782-hungarys-anti-roma-anti-jewish-party-marching-to-europe-special-feature

Any comments?

The 'allegedly lynched' is the best bit. p-)This kind of presentation of the situation greatly contributes to problems, I think. 'Positive' lies also can do damage and create hatred.

What Orban and the FIDESZ are going to do now is critical IMO. The common Hungarian voter is near a heart attack hearing the usual slogans and double meaning political messages. The Jobbik managed to address quite a few important problems in a clear, simple language. If Orban can't come down from the clouds and match that and clearly say what the FIDESZ can do about real problems on the ground, the Jobbik might give them a run for their money.

They should have a good look at the election map and get really scared. Tactical wars are not enough, strategies that work are needed. And real, meaningful political dialogue about a lot of problems: credibility and accountability of all politicians, corruption and crime generally, the roma situation, the relationship with the EU, etc.

[cmc]

Luckily enough we don't have any pro-nazi demonstrators, those old timers and football owners (Becali) are still quite an embarrassment. Speaking of that idiot Becali did he win? What about Elena Basescu?

They both won... :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[cmc]

No, you dont see these things because such is the official stance of the Romanian government towards it's Hungarian minority. As such, rightwing movements arent even needed. We can even point to the recent dismissal and expulsion of Hungarian professionals from public office as an example of Romania's ethnic discrimination against it's indigenous population.

Quit sniffing glue, kid

[Kaapeli]

'Hungary's nationalist right wing party Jobbik (movement for a Better Hungary) was the clear winner of this weekend's EP elections, collecting 14.77% of the votes, nearly three times as much as pollsters had predicted, giving the extreme right three seats out of Hungary's quota of 22 in the European Parliament.

Are they EU-sceptics or pro-EU?

[gazell]

Very EU-sceptics. Raising questions even furthermore...:)