BGS ( Bundesgrenzschutz ) "Tan and Water" Camo

[pretorian669]

A question to the german friends on this board.Does the GSG9 use the BGS camo other than helmet covers?
Like full uniforms for the snipers or operations in non urban areas? If so are there any pictures?Even if not of GSG9 but pictures of german border guards wearing that type of camo?
Thanks...


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[AVZ]

http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Einsatzbekl/einsatzbekleidung1_720_739.jpg
http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Einsatzbekl/einsatzbekleidung1_720_739.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/GSG2.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/GSG3.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/GSG8.jpg



I think at least this picture is not more than 5 years old. It shows the GSG 9 members at an uprising of a prison which was cleared by these men without shoooting any bullet!!!!!!!!!! here you can see how professional they are!!!!
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/bild07.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/bild03.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/bild19.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/bild20.jpg
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/bild10.jpg

[Freibier]

I think the gsg9 operators in the eighties, early nineties were the last to wear that pattern as their helmetcover.
That type of camouflage was used up to early seventies by BGS Border Scout s but saw never widespread use.
Some examples of shelter quarters in this pattern are still in the supply chain but are rarely issued.
At least that's what I've been told by BGS men.

[Kitsune]

[...] which was cleared by these men without shoooting any bullet!!!!!!!!!!

That is actually more the rule than the exception. Many operations are resolved without shooting. In fact, during mission debriefing GSG-9 operators have to justify any single shot they fired.

[AVZ]

I know, Kitsune.

But it shows how well trained these guys are!
In comparison to other countries it is pretty facinating, or not???!!!!!

[anonymous individual]

hehehe
that is a funny camo.

[Smintjes]

They do not use that camo anymore. Tan & Water (Sumpfmuster) camo was used because BGS wanted to stress it's own identity as an independent service. Later on the helmet covers were still used bij GSG9. But nowadays GSG9 uses flecktarn hemet covers.

[haze99]

I didn't know that GSG-9 used DDR NVA MpikM (AKM) gewhres!?

Oh, this must have been after reunification. Ya!

[Deuterium]

I find it hard to believe someone would freefall with that helmet on...

http://www.sondereinheiten.de/gsg9/pics/GSG2.jpg

[Wodan]

I think the gsg9 operators in the eighties, early nineties were the last to wear that pattern as their helmetcover.
That type of camouflage was used up to early seventies by BGS Border Scout s but saw never widespread use.
http://home.wtal.de/gsg9/bilder/bild25.jpg

Isnt that a G37(Sig SG550) in the hands of the dude in the middle?

If it is one on this picture, even the GSG-9 uses still the Sumpftarn, cuz the G37 is given to the GSG9 not since a very long time!

[kutter]

the pattern seems to have been limited to the helmet covers and a jacket that was used by the BGS starting from the 70s:
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=15

[DizBukHaPeter]

anybody know where i can buy one of those gsg9 helmets with the visor?

[Catch22]

Wodan, G37 was a name fore SIG551 (SWAT) from what I remember. At least on this pic its 551 not 550.

[supercontra]

It's a good camo for urban ops. I had one but sadly it got shredded.

[Rantanplan]

I think this pics are worth a repost:


BGS in the 50s:
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_Gewhr_G1_Energa.jpg
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_grossueb_50er_Jahre.jpg
p-)

[donnergott]

good old bonesaw. they should use it to protect the borders still now.

[Wodan]

Wodan, G37 was a name fore SIG551 (SWAT) from what I remember.

Ok


At least on this pic its 551 not 550.

You at the moment said, that it G37 = SIG551, then you say, its 551 and not 550, so you just agree what I say?


but ok, look, german weapon names:

On germanys standard assault rifle:
G36: Standard
G36k: Short/Carrabine
G36c: ultrashort


On G37:
SIG550(standard)
SIG551(SWAT)
SIG552(commando)

Why should we call them G37, G38, G39???

Its as sigarms says "the SIG550 line"

as its one line, of different lengths, we have no reason to give each one an expecial number!

[pretorian669]

I think this pics are worth a repost:


BGS in the 50s:
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_Gewhr_G1_Energa.jpg
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_grossueb_50er_Jahre.jpg
p-)
That is Splinter camo
http://www.armee-center.de/catalog/images/custom/colors/1-sumpftarn.jpghttp://www.warhelmets.com/images_2004/splinter_camo_pants.jpg
and not BGS camo
http://www.armee-center.de/catalog/images/custom/colors/1-bgs.jpghttp://www.warhelmets.com/images_2004/camo_bdu_pants.jpg

[donnergott]

in the first time bgs use splittertarn. sumpftarn was an ww2 pattern too but the bgs get it later.

[thatguy96]

Wodan, G37 was a name fore SIG551 (SWAT) from what I remember.

Ok


At least on this pic its 551 not 550.

You at the moment said, that it G37 = SIG551, then you say, its 551 and not 550, so you just agree what I say?


but ok, look, german weapon names:

On germanys standard assault rifle:
G36: Standard
G36k: Short/Carrabine
G36c: ultrashort


On G37:
SIG550(standard)
SIG551(SWAT)
SIG552(commando)

Why should we call them G37, G38, G39???

Its as sigarms says "the SIG550 line"

as its one line, of different lengths, we have no reason to give each one an expecial number!
Wouldn't it make a certain level of sense for the Sig 550 series to be designated much as the G36 is in German service?

Sig 550 - G37
Sig 551/551-1P/SWAT - G37K
Sig 552 - G37C

Or something like that?

[Catch22]

For me thatguy got the right idea. What I meant GSG operator was holding 551. Just that.

[thatguy96]

So what does the German designation G37 actually refer to? The Sig 550 pattern (as it does in the case of the G36) or to one particular weapon in the series?

[Wodan]

So what does the German designation G37 actually refer to? The Sig 550 pattern (as it does in the case of the G36) or to one particular weapon in the series?

for different "versions" of one weapon

G36
G36k short
G36c ultrashort

MP5
MP5k (short)

etc.

the number says, its a special weapon, the sign after the number says, which version it is, without of sign its the standard edition


we can use an american example:


Thats a M16
http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/m16/images/m16a2.jpg

Thats a M16s (short) if the americans had a german weapon registration system, cuz the weapon works with the same system, is procuded on the same way, has the same calbire etc., and is just of a different length, (or could have another difference on other examples)
http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/m-4_carbine/images/m4_carbine.jpg

Its just easyer cuz everybody knows: "ok, this is a G36k, a G36, that is kurz (short)"

[thatguy96]

No, I understand the system, I was just wondering if the Germans had the whole Sig 550 line in inventory, and therefore needed to use this, or whether they only had the Sig 551 (or some variation thereof) and therefore called that G37, regardless of the fact that its a carbine.

[REMOV]

No, I understand the system, I was just wondering if the Germans had the whole Sig 550 line in inventory, and therefore needed to use this, or whether they only had the Sig 551 (or some variation thereof) and therefore called that G37, regardless of the fact that its a carbine.The had only one model of the Swiss assault rifle in inventory - SG551 - thats why they called it in such way (G37). Doesn't matter that rifle is full length or carbine the military designate is the same - G like Gewehr.

http://a.focus.de/G/GE/UPLOAD/HBRXK0x9E7U.jpg
SEK officer with SG551 SWAT

[Der Weisse Hai]

Here are some impressions of the very stylish Bundesgrenzschutz-Tarnjacke.

Although it is not official issued any more, especially GSG-9 Operators have it still in use for training and reconaissance purposes.

The "Sumpftarn-Camo"-jacket is made from a very strong, high quality cotton-twill and has many interesting details:

Front: four large pockets, one pocket inside, one small pocket for a field dressing:
http://people.freenet.de/carcharodon_praxis/D-BGS-Tarnjacke_ges.JPG

sleeve-pocket on the left sleeve to hold pencils:
http://people.freenet.de/carcharodon_praxis/D-BGS-Tarnjacke_Aermel.JPG

Back: Hooks for the belt, two D-rings to attach an "ass-pack". As you can see, shoulders and elbows are reinforced.
http://people.freenet.de/carcharodon_praxis/D-BGS-Tarnjacke_Ruecken.JPG

DWH

[Wodan]

Maybe we'll see old style BGS soldiers again



Für Länder wie Bosnien, wo die Bundeswehr inzwischen mehr polizeiliche als militärische Aufgaben erfülle, forderte Struck den verstärkten Einsatz militärisch ausgebildeter Polizisten. Er sei sich mit Innenminister Otto Schily einig, dass es bei der Bundespolizei, dem bisherigen Bundesgrenzschutz, eine entsprechende Ausbildung geben müsse. Darüber hinaus solle die gesetzliche Grundlage geschaffen werden, dass diese Polizisten zum Dienst im Ausland verpflichtet werden könnten.
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