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Crux
06-11-2009, 05:20 PM
Michael Rowe
Posted: June 11, 2009 01:53 AM

Ann Coulter, the self-described "conservative Christian" right-wing talking head, is much on my mind as I contemplate the horrifying images that came out of Washington from the Holocaust Museum, where white supremacist James von Brunn opened fire in an attempted mass-murder of Jews. His killing spree was cut short by security guard Stephen Tyrone Jones who put himself in the line of fire and died so others might live.

I am remembering an October 2007 segment of the Donny Deutsch Show where Coulter asserted that America would be better off if everyone was Christian and that "the Jews" merely needed to be "perfected" through conversion.

Coulter has made her fortune by generating, fanning, and nurturing hatred and contempt for a variety of people, including liberals, Democrats, gays, foreign nationals, 9/11 widows, feminists, single mothers, Muslims, and any other group she could throw to her disenfranchised readership as shark bait.

To Coulter, referring to Jews as "imperfect" on a talk show hosted by an observant Jewish host must have seemed like just another day at the office. Coulter shook her blond hair and tittered, as though waiting to be found witty, charming, and adorably irascible. Oh Ann, you minx! You're just pushing everyone's buttons, aren't you? Shame on you, you dead-sexy fascist pin-up. Stop teasing. You don't really mean that. I mean, not really, right? Right?

Deutsch, clearly appalled, pointed out that the comment was not only patently absurd, but also hateful. Coulter giggled. A gold crucifix gleamed against her bony clavicle. "No," she said, "it's not hateful at all."

This week, nearly two years later, James von Brunn, driven by his own twisted version of Coulter's publicly-proclaimed perspectives regarding the "imperfection" of Jews, entered the Holocaust Museum in Washington and put them into action, with tragic and deadly consequences.

Much the same thing happened on May 31st when Scott Roeder entered the Reformation Lutheran Church during Sunday services and slaughtered abortion provider provider Dr. George Tiller. Media analysts continue to explore a possible continuum between Tiller's murder and FOX host Bill O'Reilly's well-documented on-air tirades against the doctor, whom he repeatedly called "Tiller the Baby Killer." O'Reilly broadcast his vendetta to millions and millions of FOX viewers already infected with evangelical superstitions and a horror of science, especially science as it applies to a woman's right to choose.

If O'Reilly had been a serious journalist or broadcaster instead of a sclerotic, chronically-aggravated right-wing rage pimp, he might have had the professional self-awareness or ethical sense to realize that he was putting George Tiller's life in danger over the more than 28 broadcasts in which he used Tiller's name. But O'Reilly, like, for Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, and indeed Coulter herself (to name only the gratin of that particular food chain) is neither of those things.

As a group, they are the pop culture equivalent of necrotic carrion beetles, crawling with insectile determination from one infected open wound in the American psyche to another. The wounds include fear of race, fear of foreigners, fear of ******ity, fear of difference, hysterical religious fundamentalism, violent nationalism, and paranoia. They lay their eggs in the infected abrasion, then scuttle away. When the eggs hatch, disgorging rage and discontent, they start counting money.

When challenged on the inherently destructive nature of their enterprise, they invariably claim that their First Amendment right to free speech is being abrogated. Or, like Ann Coulter defensively does in those instances, they cite their place on the New York Times bestseller list. Or the ratings. In other words, since people buy it, watch it, or listen to it in huge numbers, it must have merit, and it must be right.

The difference between John McCain and Sarah Palin became clearest to me in the middle of the campaign last summer.

At a town hall meeting, McCain was confronted by an elderly woman who told McCain that she was a supporter of his because Obama was "an Arab." McCain was clearly uncomfortable, and it was patently obvious why. It had nothing to do with McCain's feelings about Arabs. It had to do with an old-school Republican accidentally moving the rock, and coming face to face with what actually lived beneath it. He recognized that the woman was making an unambiguously racist statement about his opponent, and he was mortified to be asked to answer it. Even though McCain famously and horribly bungled his answer ("No ma'am, he isn't. He's a decent family man.") I knew when he meant. He was addressing the intended racial slur and disavowing it, however badly.

In that moment, I felt deeply for my Republican friends who, on some level, must also be experiencing the embarrassment and discontent of recognizing that their party had been hijacked by racists and religious fanatics who derided education and achievement as "elitist."

Sarah "Screw the Political Correctness" Palin, on the other hand, seemed right at home. She marched into those same crowds grinning and winking, and "Yoo betcha-ing" like she was onstage at the Miss Alaska pageant. While her supporters waved watermelon slices and stuffed monkeys, Palin talked about who the "real Americans" were, and who was "palling around with terrorists." She refused to address the blatant racism of her fans, or address the obvious exploitation of Obama's middle name, Hussein, and the implication she herself was making with her "terrorist" comments.

She was, after all, playing to the accurately-named Republican "base," the same crowd to whom George Bush had sold his second presidential term by pandering to their darkest and most cowardly aspect. This time out it was fear of gay marriage and adoption, carefully tended fear of another 9/11, fear of more fallout from a war they still didn't believe he'd lied about.

One can almost appreciate the horrible honesty of the racists among the McCain-Palin supporters who were able to admit what the others obfuscated: that they didn't want a black man in the White House. Certain videos from their rallies are deeply disturbing. They showcase the seething racism of her most ardent followers.

History has already recorded their obsession with Obama's origins, his religious background, and his citizenship, which remains an obsession among them today.

Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like. I have no trouble imagining which radio stations he listened to, or which pundits best represented his baseline political ideology. And why. Even FOX's Shep Smith has said he's disturbed by the escalating virulence and menace of the anti-Obama emails the station is receiving.

There was a time when decency, even honor, was an essential part of the American dialogue in its most ideal form, and part of its very identity. There was a time when our culture would have recoiled in horror at the vituperation flowing unchecked from radios, televisions, and the Internet, instead of applauding it as "common sense," "free speech," or "mavericky," or "a spin-free zone."

There was a time when intellectual honesty was not considered unpatriotic; when compassion for, and understanding of, your fellow man was a sign of strength, not weakness. There was a time when the phrase Have you no shame? meant something, and the First Amendment was not used as toilet paper to wipe up the excremental verbal degradation of vulnerable segments of the American population. A time when it was expected that citizens would understand the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech. Somewhere along the line, a cancerous segment of American popular culture and media cunningly exploited the long-standing, honorable American "cowboy" motif and mentality. They grafted cruelty, divisiveness, and ignorance to it, making the two appear indistinguishable, and natural allies. And they are neither, or at least ought not to be.

There is no Environmental Protection Agency to measure hate pollution in national dialogue, and no mechanism in place to warn us when the poisonous rage spewed into the national consciousness by shock-jocks, poisonous television pundits, megachurch leaders, and oh-so-subtle politicians, has reached dangerously toxic levels.

No, there is only the result: widows, orphans, collective grief, and an absolute refusal on the part of our loudest, coarsest voices to take any responsibility for their part in the carnage.

Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html)

Thoughts, opinions.........

The Balkan
06-11-2009, 05:22 PM
RIP to that poor guard who was just trying to be curteous to the old piece of **** and open the door for him.

Invisigoth
06-11-2009, 05:22 PM
Looka t Glenn Beck basically saying this guy was a left-winger and it's all Obama's fault. FOX news makes me sick.

I can't think of a name
06-11-2009, 05:32 PM
This is more shameful left wing agitprop trying to make this guy sound like a mainstream right winger.

Why did she not mention that this nut also wanted to attack the "Neo-Cons" at Fox news and the Weekly Standard (edited by Bill Kristol).

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/090610Shots_Fired_AT_Holocaust_Museum



Law enforcement sources told WTTG/MyFoxDC.com that during a search of a car that is believed to belong von Brunn, investigators found a notebook with information about six to nine locations in the D.C. area, including the National Holocaust Museum. Other locations on the list included the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Washington Post, and a FOX News location.
Investigators followed up at each of the locations, trying to find out if there were any sightings of the suspect or any correspondence, MyFoxDC.com reported.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Weekly_Standard_may_have_been_shooter_target.html?showall



Two other sources said two FBI agents arrived shortly after 5:00 p.m. Thursday at the 17th Street offices of the magazine. They told staffers that they had found the address of the magazine on a piece of paper associated with the shooter, James von Brunn, and asked whether the Standard had received any threats…
The suggestion that the Standard may have been a target complicates any view of the racist shooter in contemporary left-right terms. Von Brunn’s white supremacist roots put him under the rubric of a “right-wing extremist,” but the substance of his views — which included everything from believing that President Bush may have been in on the September 11 attacks to denying that President Obama is an American citizen — are too far on the fringe to fit into conventional political classification.


So now how does that fit into the Left Wing Media Narrative?

HuffPo Bull$it

therifleman
06-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Oh spare me with this bs, It's not like Keith Olbermann looks any better than Ann Coulter when he goes out there calling Bush a straight up fascist.

I can't think of a name
06-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Looka t Glenn Beck basically saying this guy was a left-winger and it's all Obama's fault. FOX news makes me sick.

You and Von Brunn are both German ancestory and both dislike Fox News. You both make me sick. :roll:

You feel foolish yet? Don't go crazy suicidal left wing on us with all that pent up Fox News hatred.

I can't think of a name
06-11-2009, 05:35 PM
How many Articles did HuffPo put out on the Muslim dude who killed the Army recruiters. That is probably a little bit more of a concern due to the overseas connections rather than a 89 year old nutjob.

JJC
06-11-2009, 05:36 PM
I'm sorry but this bull****. I knew the Left would jump at the opportunity to bash conservatives with this incident and the Fox News. Hey, Mr. Rowe what do you say about Pastor Wright who has mentored your president and tens of thousands of others every Sunday? His comments about Jews are no less radical and crazy than any white supremacist and antisemitic website. I don't see any mention of that, but of course Ann Coulter and O'Reilley are to blame now. :roll:

LineDoggie
06-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html)

Thoughts, opinions......... I think the Nancy boy should shut the fcuk up, he's hardly in a position to talk.

Coulters got a Big Mouth, but if she is responsible for this, than Rowe is responsible for Pvt. Longs Killing. notice Rowe throws Fascist around, but thats OK, as he is the Lefts protected Specie

Most Persons who would be considered Right Wing support Israel, dont deny the Holocaust, Dont think the CIA-Mossad perpetrated the 9-11 Attacks & dont think Christianity is a Hoax.

Those are very left wing positions for the most part. Look at the Truther movement, You wont find many GOP stickers on a Truthers 82 Gremlin.

Sure the cop out is say Hannity, O'reilly, Limpbaugh, etc. are responsible, yet the lefts rantings the last 8 years were nothing.

Bull****, Rowe should go back to his gloryhole

Frankly von Brunn was a Loon and should have been in jail for far longer for his attempt in 1981? 6 years? should'a been 20

Laworkerbee
06-11-2009, 07:01 PM
A pathetic hit piece, nothing more.

LineDoggie
06-11-2009, 07:09 PM
As a for Instance

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d10-Holocaust-Museum-shooter-von-Brunn-a-911-truther-who-hated-neocons-Bush-McCain

The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.

The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most "white supremacists", many of von Brunn's political views track "Left" rather than "Right." Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.

For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other "neo-conservatives" in online essays. As even some "progressives" such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, "neoconservative" is often used as a derogatory code word for "Jews". As well, even a cursory glance at "white supremacist" writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.
James von Brunn's advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left.


None of this will surprise readers of Jonah Goldberg's bestseller Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change , which clearly demonstrates that "fascism" of the kind advocated by the British National Party (BNP) and the likes of James W. von Brunn is just as likely to reflect "leftwing" views as "rightwing" ones.


In fact, anti-semitism is something the New Left and the "Far Right" have had in common since the 1980s, which is why so many former leftists like David Horowitz defected from one side to the other during the Reagan era and beyond. It also helps explain the otherwise baffling alliance between the Left and radical Islam.

That this shooting occurred shortly after President Obama's former mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, blamed "the Jews" for his lack of access to his former parishioner is a troubling confluence of events as well.

avedis
06-11-2009, 07:16 PM
What people fail to realize is that there is no such thing as political line. Politics is circular. The further right you go the closer you get to the far left. And in most cases there is hardly a difference. So blaming a third party instead of the actual shooter is retarded.

California Joe
06-11-2009, 07:21 PM
While I think Anne Coulter is a complete douche, you can't put this crazy old fart on her. Pretty stupid article. Crazy is crazy, left or right.

xav
06-11-2009, 07:24 PM
White supremacist against jews?

Aren't like 90% of jews, white? Or it is not about colour?

avedis
06-11-2009, 07:29 PM
White supremacist against jews?

Aren't like 90% of jews, white? Or it is not about colour?

Jews to them are a race.

Alpheus
06-11-2009, 07:45 PM
"SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West." - James von Brunn.

Sounds like a conservative to me.

Gleipnir
06-11-2009, 07:51 PM
Should have been divided into two separate and unrelated articles-

Death at the Holocaust Museum

The degradation of American Dialogue

akd
06-11-2009, 08:18 PM
Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html)

Thoughts, opinions.........

Yeah, this guy was real hardcore Christian...



Saul -- a Roman citizen -- suddenly realized how he could destroy Rome! Saul trembled uncontrollably with fear and joy. He would simply promulgate the insane teachings of Jesus! What better way to destroy a Nation -- any Nation -- than to undermine her hubris; her gods, ethics, mores, history, her gene-pool -- in short, Saul would DESTROY ROMAN CULTURE. Then, as night follows day, with her foundations rotted, the Roman Empire would FALL. Saul decided to begin the HOAX by inventing a miraculous encounter on the road to Damascus with the reincarnated Jesus the Christ!

Toward that end -- no different than Hollywood script-writers today -- Saul created a bogus a la Spielberg docu-drama stuffed with lies, miracles, guilt trips, betrayal, virgin birth, eternal damnation, salvation -- a scenario appealing to the superstitious, vulnerable, ignorant yearning sheep -- he named his hoax "Christianity." …

The Gospels profess that only Christians may enter Yahweh's Kingdom of Heaven. To qualify, among other demands, Christians must LOVE THEIR ENEMIES (Jews); give away their personal belongings; eschew knowledge; judge not, despise nature, abandon earthly pleasures, acknowledge that all YHWH's children are equal; and above all else worship YHWH, the jealous, wrathful, vengeful, unforgiving, genocidal, anthropomorphic tribal god (Jesus' father) created by Hebrews in their image and likeness….The Big Lie technique, employed by Paul to create the CHRISTIAN RELIGION, also was used to create the HOLOCAUST RELIGION ... CHRISTIANITY AND THE HOLOCAUST are HOAXES.

"Christianity" destroyed Roman Civilization. The "Holocaust" Religion is destroying Western Civilization. The Aryan gene-pool dies, "unwept, unhonored and unsung."

source: Von Brunn posting on antichrist.net


And a big conservative thinker...


Yockey, in his suppressed book Imperium, notes that MARXISM is seriously flawed because MARX, being a JEW, could not understand the real differences between CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM, which emanated from the WESTERN CULTURE-ORGANISM. Capitalism and Socialism are how a Nation (Family, People, Race) feels, thinks, and lives, and secondarily are ECONOMIC CONCEPTS. One [capitalism] is past history; the other, WESTERN SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West, and the end of JEWRY on Western soil.

The Age of Reason produced CAPITALISM in the West, the IDEA of rugged individualism: “Every Man for Himself.” Freedom from authority: “Don't tread on me!” At the same time, paradoxically, it was understood, that these rugged individuals should act in the best interest of the Nation-State. To the West ECONOMIC CAPITALISM meant: free trade, no personal income-tax, no state interference in money matters, private ownership, etc. USURY, however, was relegated outside the Pale, and proscribed. Capitalists found no fault with economically defeating, within the law, opposing economic groups. That was considered “healthy competition.” European States, goaded by Bankers, also competed with one another. Often with disastrous results. During WWI it became painfully clear that the IDEA of “rugged individualism” worked against the ARYAN NATION and its individual States.

WESTERN SOCIALISM, unlike Marxism/Communism and Capitalism, emanates not from Reason alone butfrom the ETHOS OF THE WEST. It expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation. Its Idea is the Musketeers' cry: “One for All and All for One!” The ingathering of the White Nation-States into ONE CULTURAL ORGANISM — its own territory and its own State in which to house, protect, and nurture the Nation — precludes Marxist inspired class warfare and hate-struggles between its component parts. The ECONOMY springs from the CULTURE. MONEY becomes merely a tool, a means of exchange, a storage of value — not an ILLUMINATI weapon.” (pp. 143-4). “No intelligent person took MARX seriously. His Old Testament idea that work is evil — and New Testament idea that men and races are equally endowed — opposes Nature and the very Soul of the West.” Marxists, Bolsheviks, Communists denounce “capitalist pigs.” While from behind the scenes — in the on-going battle to implement the PROTOCOLS OF ZION — all wars and revolutions are financed by JEW CAPITALISTS. (pp. 143-5.)


Von Brunn, in Kill the Best Gentiles


:roll:

*I added the bold type. Italics, exclamation points and capitalization are all his dumbass own.

Degenek
06-11-2009, 09:25 PM
Looks like another great day for Holocaust™. James von Brunn, moron extraordinaire. :cantbeli:

SBL
06-11-2009, 09:30 PM
A pathetic hit piece, nothing more.
x2. Fit to be ignored.

[WDW]Megaraptor
06-11-2009, 10:23 PM
This author is part of the same degradation of American dialogue as the people he criticizes.

camerashy
06-11-2009, 11:35 PM
The title of this post needs to be amended, the "American Dialogue" consists of more than ultra right-wingers.
That old lady in the crowd who called Obama an Arab was working with the Obama campaign and intentionally was trying to lead McCain into agreeing so a white racist label could be placed among him.

BTW, argue my idea regarding Obama...I'm a multiple gun owner and am concerned about Obama coming from Chicago. Does anyone think he is trying to position himself mostly as a moderate now so after he wins re-election he can unleash the dogs of war and spew out his anti-gun legislation with Hillary leading the charge?

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-12-2009, 03:13 AM
None of this will surprise readers of Jonah Goldberg's bestseller Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change , which clearly demonstrates that "fascism" of the kind advocated by the British National Party (BNP) and the likes of James W. von Brunn is just as likely to reflect "leftwing" views as "rightwing" ones.There has always been an element of social justice and egalitarianism (for whitey only) in Fascist politics and National socialist ideology. The words Liberal and Fascist do not sit well together as the have nothing ideologically in common and the writer Goldberg always seeks to attach something negative to either Liberalism or the Libertarian outlook.

Mackie
06-12-2009, 07:32 AM
You and Von Brunn are both German ancestory and both dislike Fox News. You both make me sick. :roll:

You feel foolish yet? Don't go crazy suicidal left wing on us with all that pent up Fox News hatred.

Thank your for that nice racist comment and good luck reading your crappy journalism.
I mean what would FoxNews be without real white Americans like you.

Stormz_STA
06-12-2009, 07:41 AM
Thank your for that nice racist comment

The Germans are a race now??? Funny.

Stainless Steel Rat
06-12-2009, 08:17 AM
I think both articles quoted are not likely to qualify for any journalism awards (hell, a number of folks here write better than those two hacks), but I will give credit to the OP writer for the best insult I've seen in many a day:


If O'Reilly had been a serious journalist or broadcaster instead of a sclerotic, chronically-aggravated right-wing rage pimp

I am so finding a use for that sometime in future dialogue...p-)

As for degration of the American dialogue, history shows it hasn't always been very pleasant and broke down to the level of Civil War 145 years ago.

But there always will be those who are discontented, who see demons and bogeymen everywhere, and believe in massive, devious and complex orchestrated plots by sinister Government operatives to deny us our precious liberty.....and the difference between right-wing wackos and left-wing wackos is miniscule.

Press on.

California Joe
06-12-2009, 08:55 AM
The title of this post needs to be amended, the "American Dialogue" consists of more than ultra right-wingers.
That old lady in the crowd who called Obama an Arab was working with the Obama campaign and intentionally was trying to lead McCain into agreeing so a white racist label could be placed among him.

Bullsh*t, that woman was simply a moron. And McCain handled that situation with a great deal of class.

BTW, argue my idea regarding Obama...I'm a multiple gun owner and am concerned about Obama coming from Chicago. Does anyone think he is trying to position himself mostly as a moderate now so after he wins re-election he can unleash the dogs of war and spew out his anti-gun legislation with Hillary leading the charge?

I don't think it's that high on his frigging priority list.

seraosha
06-12-2009, 09:30 AM
Michael Rowe is all over the place with this rant. It might have been more readable if there was one or even three topics...but wow, crap article.

HakkaPelitta
06-12-2009, 12:24 PM
White supremacist against jews?

Aren't like 90% of jews, white? Or it is not about colour?

Jews are as white as blacks are according to nazis.

I can't think of a name
06-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Thank your for that nice racist comment and good luck reading your crappy journalism.
I mean what would FoxNews be without real white Americans like you.

Yeah, it is not fun to have unfair associations labeled on you. Me Racist? The point of the post went over your head. :roll:

Read the post I was quoting for context (hint I was showing the absurdity of his comment).

Ought Six
06-12-2009, 09:51 PM
The only substantial thing the article reveals is the author's brainless political prejudices.