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Ordie
06-13-2009, 03:10 AM
The plot thickens.





JUNE 13, 2009, 1:18 A.M. ET


U.S. Firm Says China Stole Software for Web-Filter

By BEN WORTHEN (http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center.html?KEYWORDS=BEN+WORTHEN&ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND) and LORETTA CHAO (http://online.wsj.com/search/search_center.html?KEYWORDS=LORETTA+CHAO&ARTICLESEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND)

A California company alleged that an Internet-filtering program being pushed by the Chinese government contains stolen portions of the company's software.
The company, Solid Oak Software Inc., said it will try to stop PC makers from shipping computers with the software.

06/08/09

Solid Oak said Friday that it found pieces of its CyberSitter filtering software in the Chinese program, including a list of terms to be blocked, instructions for updating the software, and an old news bulletin promoting CyberSitter. Researchers at the University of Michigan who have been studying the Chinese program also said they found components of CyberSitter, including the blacklist of terms.
Jinhui Computer System Engineering Co., the Chinese company that made the filtering software, denied stealing anything. "That's impossible," said Bryan Zhang, Jinhui's founder, in response to Solid Oak's charges.
The allegations come as PC makers such as Dell Inc. and Hewlett-Packard Co. are sorting through a mandate by the Chinese government requiring that all PCs sold in China as of July come with the filtering software. Representatives of the two big U.S. companies said they are working with trade associations to monitor new developments related to the Chinese software.
The Chinese software, whose name translates to "Green Dam-Youth Escort," is intended to help parents block access to ****ography and other Internet content inappropriate for children, according to Jinhui. Free speech advocates have been examining the program's code because they are concerned that it also could be used to block political Web sites.
Solid Oak's president, Brian Milburn, said he will seek an injunction preventing U.S. companies from shipping computers with the Chinese software.
Mr. Milburn said Solid Oak received an anonymous email Friday stating that Green Dam may contain parts of his company's code. He said engineers at the 15-person software maker, which is based in Santa Barbara, Calif., spent the morning comparing the two programs. Similarities they found include a list of CyberSitter serial numbers and an update that makes the software compatible with an old version of CyberSitter, he said.
"I am 99.99% certain that if not the entire program at least a good proportion of it is stolen CyberSitter code," says Mr. Milburn.
Mr. Zhang insisted that the software is his company's. "How is it possible that my coding is exactly the same as theirs?" he said. "This is unfair to me. Everyone is taking my software apart now. This is illegal ... I can't answer any more of these pointless questions."
Some lawyers said that because the software will only be sold in China, Solid Oak faces an uphill legal battle, even if it targets U.S. companies.
"It's not a violation of U.S. copyright" law if the computers are only sold in China, said Jonathan Zittrain, a professor at Harvard University Law School. "The question would have to be resolved in a Chinese court under Chinese law."
The requirement for computer makers to ship Green Dam was outlined in a notice that was issued by China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on May 19, and reported by The Wall Street Journal last Sunday.
The allegation by Solid Oak could add to the outcry over the lack of transparency in the Chinese government's decision to choose this particular program to implement its filtering requirement.
Within China, which has the most Internet users in the world and is the world's second-largest PC market, criticisms of the requirement have filled online forums for days. Some Internet users have taken to mocking it, by using the term "Youth Escort" to get someone to shut up. They use phrases like "Stop talking like that, or I'll 'youth escort' you!"
Source:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124486910756712249.html

LineDoggie
06-13-2009, 03:39 AM
Quelle surprise....

Scriptable
06-13-2009, 03:40 AM
The plot thickens.


Mr. Zhang insisted "This is unfair to me. Everyone is taking my software apart now. This is illegal ... I can't answer any more of these pointless questions."

Poor little Zhang, he just spat the dummy and has gone for a sulk.

dbamil
06-13-2009, 04:39 AM
There's another chinese company selling Internet Routers. They were doing quite well. Problem is a lot of the chinese company's stuff looks similar to ones from Cisco of USA. Even some of the software commands are the same...

Or what about the car from Daewoo of SK, Matiz? It was a popular car sold by Daewoo in China/asia/europe. So popular that a Chinese company sold copies of it. It was exact copy such that the door for the real Matiz could be installed WITHOUT modification on the copy from Chinese company...

Ordie
06-13-2009, 04:50 AM
Quote from an article I've read.
"China has imitated the models of others to build the plane, but soon they will have to write the pilots manual without help, and learn how to fly it."

hskywalker
06-13-2009, 06:26 AM
There's another chinese company selling Internet Routers. They were doing quite well. Problem is a lot of the chinese company's stuff looks similar to ones from Cisco of USA. Even some of the software commands are the same...

It is Huawei.Cisco filed a law suit against them, later they settled it outside of the court.
Interlecture property infringement happens regularly in techland, broadcom vs qualcomm is the nearest I can remember, less than two month ago. China doesn't have industrial leading companies, so it is natural chinese company are always the part being sued.

Altavista
06-13-2009, 07:23 AM
interesting.

KB
06-13-2009, 12:34 PM
This is one example of a massive problem.

Derbedeu
06-13-2009, 01:32 PM
There's irony in there somewhere...

bono
06-13-2009, 10:04 PM
China will never change, never learn. Amazing.

Shuimo
06-13-2009, 10:31 PM
Quote from an article I've read.
"China has imitated the models of others to build the plane, but soon they will have to write the pilots manual without help, and learn how to fly it."
Hhaha, that would be a piece of cake for our intelligent pilots!rofl

Shuimo
06-13-2009, 10:33 PM
China will never change, never learn. Amazing.

That is utter prejudice.
China is simply such a changing kaledoscope!rofl

Scriptable
06-13-2009, 11:17 PM
That is utter prejudice.
China is simply such a changing kaledoscope!rofl
That kaleidoscope does not include the French apparently:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3556/2431287811a62aebc278o.jpg

Shuimo
06-13-2009, 11:51 PM
That kaleidoscope does not include the French apparently:


Wow. it is such an ye-openner for Shuimo!
They did a good job for a good reason!rofl

deagle
06-14-2009, 01:12 AM
lol, is it stealing if its allowed to be stolen ? prob not the case here, but looks like they've been geniouses out of ingeniuity.

GBob
06-14-2009, 01:45 AM
Hhaha, that would be a piece of cake for our intelligent pilots!rofl

i dont think there's ever such a thing in china as intelligent pilots, just a bunch of copycats and bootleggers, having absolutely nothing their own.

Ordie
06-14-2009, 02:37 AM
i dont think there's ever such a thing in china as intelligent pilots, just a bunch of copycats and bootleggers, having absolutely nothing their own.

Except the food.