Vigilante group raid home, and execute family - including a 9 year old girl

[Scriptable]

I'm sure we'll here more on this:


Minuteman group arrested for murdering family (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1192987/Female-vigilante-led-drugs-raid-illegal-immigrant-home-girl-father-shot-dead.html)

A female vigilante from an anti-illegal immigration group led a raid on a house where a man and his nine-year-old daughter were shot dead, it emerged today. Shawna Forde, 41, and two others allegedly dressed as law enforcement officers and forced their way into the family's rural home just ten miles from the Mexican border.

Brisenia Flores and her 29-year-old father, Raul Junior Flores, died and Brisenia's mother, who has not been named, was wounded in the attack.

Forde, Jason Eugene Bush, 34, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, have been charged with first degree murder along with other charges said Sheriff Clarence Dupnic of Pima County, Arizona.

Forde and Bush are part of Minutemen American Defence, a small border watch group in Arizona whose mottos are 'Doing the job our Government won't do' and 'Defending America's borders'.

According to the group's website Forde is the leader while Bush, who also goes by the nickname 'Gunny', is its operations director.

According to Sheriff Dupnic the motive for the murder was financial. He said: 'The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs. 'This was a planned home invasion where the plan was to kill all the people inside this trailer so there would be no witnesses.

'To just kill a nine-year-old girl because she might be a potential witness, to me, is just one of the most despicable acts that I have heard of,' he added.

According to Brian Levin, director of the Centre for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community. He said: 'She's someone who, even within the anti-immigration movement, has been labelled as unstable. 'She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organisation.'

Forde denied involvement for the crime saying she had 'nothing to do with it' as she was led from the sheriff's headquarters. Gaxiola also denied involvement. Bush was arrested while at an Arizona hospital where he was being treated for a leg wound he allegedly received when the woman who survived the attack managed to get a gun and fire back.

A statement posted on Minutemen American Defense's website extended condolences to the victims' families and said the group does not condone such acts and will cooperate with law enforcement.

[Blue_0]

1st degree murder x2. Execute the criminals.

-- Bluelight

[LineDoggie]

Not the Minutemen Project group so due try and get that right before people start associating this group for the Bigger one.

[wicked_hind]

I don't think it really matters which minutemen group to whom they had ties. This incident is only going to bring further discontent from those who disagree with their objectives. They broke the law and I hope justice will be served.

[EasyC]

Why are they called Minutemen?

[seraosha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen I'll go ahead and assume you aren't an American, because they teach that around the third grade, and again in the 10th in case you were napping.

[EasyC]

No I'm Australian, the only knowledge I had was they were some kind of troop that fought in that little spat you guys had with the poms. Thanks for the info.

[PhillyMobster]

These folks are the same as the abortion clinic bombers. Trying to solve problems this way just leads to bad publicity for people who are trying to solve the actual problem through peaceful means. And naturally, all our opponents will happily lump every person who is not a supporter of illegal immigration into the same group as these three lunkheads. I hope they get the max.

[brainplay]

Forde and Bush are part of Minutemen American Defence, a small border watch group in Arizona whose mottos are 'Doing the job our Government won't do' and 'Defending America's borders'.


She's someone who, even within the anti-immigration movement, has been labelled as unstable. 'She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organisation.'


The reporter and editor ought to be drop kicked for stupidity. Trying to associate the original Minuteman group with an extremist wing while not trying to point out the difference. Nice one.

[Zoomie]

The reporter and editor ought to be drop kicked for stupidity. How can you make a statement like that and then follow it up with a refute in the next paragraph? This is pure BS.
Well because they're apparently two different groups, that's how.

[Hot Lips]

I'm pretty sure this is just some nefarious plot to validate the DHS extremist report

[Ordie]

Very tragic.
My prayers to the family and loved ones.

[Scriptable]

Well color me suspicious, but 3 "domestic extremist" attacks in 2 weeks, after they had done nothing for YEARS, as if in time to justify that report, is beyond the laws of chance.
Or it could just be an attention effect, i.e., greater media attention given to specific events and a (re)interpretation of them as domestic extremism rather than as typical crimes.

[Connaught Ranger]

+ Rest In Peace + to the victims.

Hopes for a speedy recovery to the mother

who now as to live with the loss of her family.

[bearfirefighter]

I hope they get a fair trial, fair conviction, and for hurting a kid, I hope they ride the needle......

[Noble713]

http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/2009/02/24/the-manifesto-of-shawna-forde-hunting-mexicans-on-the-border/comment-page-1/

Shawna “Shwanochio” Forde has spoken and all we can say is we hope Sgt Goetz of the Everett Police Department gets her off the street before someone is killed.

Too late. :( Read her email on that page. She's clearly loony.

[Shadowstorm]

Rest in Peace for the family and I the mother gets better. Those f**king subhuman scumbags deserved the death penalty.

[LineDoggie]

Very tragic.
My prayers to the family and loved ones. My Condolences are to the Mother for losing her child in an Unneccessary crime(No parent should have to bury their Child).

But the Husband was apparently a Known Drug Dealer which was the motivation for the crime(he supposedly had large sums of moneyin the house).

Hang Forde and the accomplices, after a Trial

[SiEMpre_Leal]

I hope they get the Electric chair where they can fry and when they go to hell they can fry again....

[Sinaloense]

Thank you Fox News.

[Will Clark]

I don't think it really matters which minutemen group to whom they had ties. This incident is only going to bring further discontent from those who disagree with their objectives.

This is true, but only if the media fails to point out the different between the groups. It's like saying radical stormfront members (the white supremacists) were caught murdering someone and painting the other stormfront group concerned with weather advisory with the same brush. Their lack of clarification wasn't an accident. I did a lot of research on the minute men back when they were all the rage, they're a pretty squared away group. Of course they attract unsavory characters just like every other organization, but this should be a great example of how they police their ranks.

I understand you're not speaking pro or con about the organization, I just had to rant a bit about being misled.

[California Joe]

The reporter and editor ought to be drop kicked for stupidity. Trying to associate the original Minuteman group with an extremist wing while not trying to point out the difference. Nice one.


This is true, but only if the media fails to point out the different between the groups. It's like saying radical stormfront members (the white supremacists) were caught murdering someone and painting the other stormfront group concerned with weather advisory with the same brush. Their lack of clarification wasn't an accident. I did a lot of research on the minute men back when they were all the rage, they're a pretty squared away group. Of course they attract unsavory characters just like every other organization, but this should be a great example of how they police their ranks.

I understand you're not speaking pro or con about the organization, I just had to rant a bit about being misled.

Frankly fellas, it ain't that big a leap when people are a bit nebulous in their views on how to combat certain issues. It looks to me like this whole thing was carried out by a bunch of mullet headed Dawg wannabees. You can never be sure how inflammatory rhetoric is going to "inspire" retards.

Like you guys that come in here and rail about the government doing analysis on hate groups that may even *gasp* appeal to vets and "conservatives". You assume a connection with some of your views. But hopefully you guys aren't out making fertilizer bombs with the guys that "agree" with you but decide to take it a step further...

[LineDoggie]

Thank you Fox News.

What Kind of retard blames this on Fox? Does that mean the recruiter shooting was MSNBC's Fault?

[BAF]

killing a 9 year old, how ****ing sick is that, hope those mother****ers die a horrible death and burn in hell.

[Ordie]

What Kind of retard blames this on Fox? Does that mean the recruiter shooting was MSNBC's Fault?

It begs the question what is the role of talk radio media in this case and other hate crimes?

Does Lou Dobbs, Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, Michelle Malkin, and Jay Severin rehtoric rationalizes and contibutes the violent actions of others?

[LineDoggie]

It begs the question what is the role of talk radio media in this case and other hate crimes?

Does Lou Dobbs, Michael Savage, Neal Boortz, Michelle Malkin, and Jay Severin rehtoric rationalizes and contibutes the violent actions of others?


Randi Rhodes on Air America Said Someone Should Do President Bush like Fredo in the godfather.

``somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw!"

Advocating Killing the President, but hell it was only Bush, right?

After all, the left has never used similar rhetoric?

Cafe Press used to sell "Kill Bush T-Shirts"

How about Jesse Jackson in 94 about the GOP majority in congress:

"If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism"

Julianne Malveaux on Calrence Thomas

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease,"

Nina Totenberg on General Boykin:
"I hope he's not long for this world"
Nina Totenberg again on Jesse Helms
"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind," because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will."

Dave Lindorff on Bush:
"The president is not the orator that Hitler was,""But comparisons of the Bush administration's fearmongering tactics to those practiced so successfully and with such terrible results by Hitler and Goebbels . . . are not at all out of line."

Remember Sam Donaldson on Newt Gingrich, comparing him to Vladimr Lenin?
"They both made a revolution by shooting people.''


Reverend Wright, Obamas pastor for 23 years says the Jews are keeping him for Obama

Nah, guess thats just the truth, eh?:roll:

[Ordie]

^^^^
Anything for ratings and advertising.
Where is the responsibilty?

[Geezah]

Atleast we know Chris Matthews gets a tingly feeling down his leg over Obama.........

[brainplay]

Frankly fellas, it ain't that big a leap when people are a bit nebulous in their views on how to combat certain issues.

Yes its a fairly big leap when the original group only gathers info and passes on to Border Patrol agents while the other raids houses and starts shooting.

Don't know what you're on about there but agreeing with some of their methods doesn't make any of us want to buy fertilizer in large amounts and have an inclination to visit clan rallies (would be bad for me since my own name is of latin decent).

[jeffy_ssd]

Hmmmm. I listen to talk radio, I watch FOX news. In all of that listening and watching I have never heard either advocate viloence or hate. If pointing out that something is unconstitutional or illegal is hate, you might want to reaccess your premise. Now on the other hand, I still remember that bastion of liberal thought, peace and happiness, Mr Alec Baldwin. If I may refresh your memory:

Here’s the exchange as transcribed by MRC news analyst Paul Smith.
Conan O’Brien: "Before we leave, I gotta ask you. It’s no secret that you are very political. You are a very political person. It’s no secret that you have actually had some associations with the Clintons. That you’re a liberal man and I thought you know today, this is a historic day and you’re one of the most politically active actors out there. What do you think?"
Alec Baldwin: "I was in Africa. I go to Africa. I mean ladies and gentlemen I am in Africa. For three months I am in the bush and I come back. I come back here and I come back to what? I mean what is happening right now as we speak? Right now the Judiciary Committee, the President has an approval rating of 68 percent. The President is very popular and things are going pretty good and they are voting to impeach the President. They voted on one article of impeachment already. And I come back from Africa to stained dresses and cigars and this and impeachment. I am thinking to myself in other countries they are laughing at us twenty four hours a day and I’m thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, [starts to shout] all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I’m not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families. [stands up screaming] What is happening in this country? What is happening? UGHHH UGHHH!!!!"


Now, in your mind substitute the name Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi for Henry Hyde and the name of a conservative for Baldwin. What kind of reaction would the media establishment have expressed?
I constantly hear how the conservatives or the Republicans are hateful fear mongers but I have yet to hear one speak with the viciousness and venom that your garden variety Democrat does.
What happened here with this family was wrong and our justice system will deal with it. Personally I hope they rot in hell for what has happened, but to blame a media source for their action is just about mentally impaired in thought.

[Hot Lips]

The reporter and editor ought to be drop kicked for stupidity. Trying to associate the original Minuteman group with an extremist wing while not trying to point out the difference. Nice one.

She was a member of the first group and founded the second. Those are simple facts, no?

He also conveyed that the other recognized her as a nut and ousted her because of it - thus making a rather clear distinction between the two organizations.

[Ordie]

Guilty of association.

Akin to Timothy McVeigh association with the militia movement even though he was not a member.

After Oklahoma City, the militia movement dissappeared.

That may happen to the Minutemen because of this event.

[Hollis]

Guilty of association.

Akin to Timothy McVeigh association with the militia movement even though he was not a member.

After Oklahoma City, the militia movement dissappeared.

That may happen to the Minutemen because of this event.


I would not be surprise if that is the case. The Mob is a fickle group with no forgiveness in their heart.

[Hot Lips]

The fact that they ousted her should be their saving grace... unless they knew something about her that should have been reported to authorities and didn't. Would be interesting to know specifically why they ousted her.

[Hollis]

The fact that they ousted her should be their saving grace... unless they knew something about her that should have been reported to authorities and didn't. Would be interesting to know specifically why they ousted her.


I would guess, but then it would be a guess. Generally I would think, they would probably attract some extremists and racists because of the nature of the beast. Like survivalist issue also attracts some major fruit cakes.

Major shift in the Bell shape curve.

[Ordie]

The fact that they ousted her should be their saving grace... unless they knew something about her that should have been reported to authorities and didn't. Would be interesting to know specifically why they ousted her.

I don't know.
Given the press and 'minutemen' branding after each report, it will take alot of damage control and time away for the organization core mission.

Moreover, thier activities will be more scrutinized by the press.

The DHS and local law enforcement will definately keep a big distance away from the minutemen.