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Shuimo
06-15-2009, 08:50 AM
Source: Global Times
[22:03 June 14 2009]
Comments (http://encomment.huanqiu.com/content_comment.php?tid=436806&mid=1&cid=39)

By Zhao Fasheng
A louder and louder message has been heard recently, one that claims China will dominate the 21st century. As a Chinese citizen, I really hope the “superpower dream” will come true.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/090614/db39b9ef23.jpg

Illustration: Liu Rui
But, the reasons presented by the message makers make me feel ill at ease.
I remember the message was originally put forward by a scholar who claimed to be a master of Chinese classics. (It's funny that while we are living in a time with no Chinese classics, more masters of it keep showing up.) I read this master's article carefully, hoping to find sound reasons. The master told us that because the past century was the one of Western culture, the 21st century will naturally be China's, because Chinese culture is superior to Western culture. He didn't make it clear how Chinese culture is superior, and I am reluctant to agree with this point.
The 21st century needs scientific facts, so it's dangerous to put the future of our country in the hands of a fengshui theory that means “fortune knocks at least once at every man's gate.”
In modern Chinese history, the debate about which culture is superior, Western or Chinese, has become a cliché. The invincible Western firepower in the Opium War and the subsequent tragedy that put China in ruins best illustrated this debate. China does have the potential in the future to generate culture that is richer than Western culture, but only after Chinese culture completely digests the essence of the values of Western culture.
When we were young, we heard so many times the grandiloquence that we would eventually emancipate the people of capitalistic countries that we even forgot we were starving and determined to fulfill the honorable duty. Not until we opened the door in the 1980s did we find that we were the ones who really needed rescuing.
Someone raised an interesting question – what's right with Deng Xiaoping? My answer is that he brought Chinese people's spirit back to normal from the ideological paranoia that the Chinese would emancipate mankind. We finally began another surge of learning from the West since the late 19th century. This is an emancipation of the mind.
Bo Yang, a famous Chinese writer, made an important observation that the US and Japan never claimed their dominance in the next century. After the global financial crisis began, the view that China would save the world economy continually appeared in local newspapers. China's GDP accounts for only 6 percent of the world's total, and the per-capita GDP ranks far behind the 100th. How can a country like that save the world? We also have problems in social administration, official management and moral beliefs. China was less affected by the recession because our capital market was not developed enough.
The odd thing is that Uncle Sam seems to agree with the opinion of that Chinese classics scholar. For months, people in the West talked about the precautions that the era of the US will end. Actually this is the secret strategy for the US to maintain its superpower status. As long as the alarm that the US is declining keeps ringing in its people's heads, the US will maintain its No. 1 position. So an important task for the US intellectuals is to find the most likely candidate to replace the US and generously crown it with the “next century” award.
When high-quality and low-priced Japanese products flooded the US in the 1980s and the GDP of Japan jumped to the world's second place, the US asserted that Japan would be the world's No. 1 and the next century would be Japan's. Japanese people, however, were not so gullible to accept this award. They manifested their awareness of their national crisis by shooting a movie Submersion of Japan.
In recent years, the voice of ultra-nationalism gradually grows louder in the Chinese mainland and the message “China will be the world's No. 1” shocks the world. Yet Japan remains serene. Its serenity reminds us of the warning from Lao Tse: “Gravity is the foundation of levity. Serenity masters hastiness.”
Who will dominate the 21st century? Maybe only God knows the answer. But one thing is for sure: the 21st century could belong to anyone – except those who are too arrogant to remember a short time ago they have barely survived.
The author is a scholar with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. This article was translated by Ren Yaling
http://opinion.globaltimes.cn/top-photo/2009-06/436806.html

Koppo
06-15-2009, 09:40 AM
Pretty intresting opinion there. My understanding about future is that China or other emerging economies will not start dominating currently devoleped world for the simple fact that economy depends more and more on pure brain power and ideas instead of tradional industries and western world still is no. 1 in making new innovations and i don't see that changing in a long time.

Proudgrandson
06-15-2009, 12:12 PM
Cause that can lead to a great deal of blood being shed, should there be for example a major war to decide who controls the pacific its liable to horrendous.

Ordie
06-15-2009, 01:01 PM
Global Times is owned by the Communist Party of China.

It's English edition is tame compared with its nationalist toned Chinese editions.

Delay
06-15-2009, 02:58 PM
Global Times is owned by the Communist Party of China.

It's English edition is tame compared with its nationalist toned Chinese editions.

This article is not the Chinese edition.....

deagle
06-15-2009, 03:23 PM
either way, looks like they'll be a major player in world economics and politics

Shuimo
06-15-2009, 09:43 PM
Pretty intresting opinion there. My understanding about future is that China or other emerging economies will not start dominating currently devoleped world for the simple fact that economy depends more and more on pure brain power and ideas instead of tradional industries and western world still is no. 1 in making new innovations and i don't see that changing in a long time.

That sounds reasobable for you to say innovative power counts more and more in the future competition!

But China is fast catching in high-tech fields. Mastery of the top-end technologies in aviation and aerostronautics is one shining example!rofl

Shuimo
06-15-2009, 09:44 PM
either way, looks like they'll be a major player in world economics and politics
It is already a reality, not will be!:)

Ordie
06-15-2009, 11:26 PM
It is already a reality, not will be!:)

I don't think so.

China's government does not like to take a lead or initiative on major international policy issues. They fear in setting an example and paint themselves in a corner.

Shuimo
06-15-2009, 11:36 PM
I don't think so.

China's government does not like to take a lead or initiative on major international policy issues. They fear in setting an example and paint themselves in a corner.
Being a major player means you have to take a lead in everything??
NO!
Status as second-largest economy alone is enough for China to set examples and have say in international affairs!rofl
The CPC knows this very welll!

King of the Grey
06-15-2009, 11:37 PM
this article is published in a CCP-owned newspaper?

anyways, this is an interesting read. I agree with Ordie that the CCP govt. is curiously tame in dealing in international affairs. Its highly probable the CCP knows that to assume the mantle, the responsibility increases tenfold, and China would not have the ability to deal with them admist the numerous problems already present INSIDE the borders. Everything they are doing in the international scene is an effort to use the benefits to deal with internal problems.

thats my 2 cents

Holmes85
06-15-2009, 11:46 PM
But isn't this an opinion column of the newspaper, because that's what link says or am I just misreading things?

Ordie
06-15-2009, 11:51 PM
But isn't this an opinion column of the newspaper, because that's what link says or am I just misreading things?

The publication is owned by the Communits Party and is used as a channel for policies and official information.

The English version is targeted towards western audiences.
The Chinese version is much more of a nationalist tabloid.

Ordie
06-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Status as second-largest economy alone is enough for China to set examples and have say in international affairs!rofl
!

No

That's being reactive than proactive. China is risk adverse.

Jiggy
06-16-2009, 12:02 AM
By Zhao Fasheng


A louder and louder message has been heard recently, one that claims China will dominate the 21st century. As a Chinese citizen, I really hope the “superpower dream” will come true.

cause we all know that a guy named "Zhao Fasheng" couldn't possibly be a chinese nationalist, therefor he would never dream of china becoming a superpower.

lol yeah right, dudes probably creaming himself to sleep at night just thinking about it.

Jiggy
06-16-2009, 12:03 AM
Cause that can lead to a great deal of blood being shed, should there be for example a major war to decide who controls the pacific its liable to horrendous.

keep your fingers crossed that it don't cause it seems like only a matter of time now.

Shuimo
06-16-2009, 12:06 AM
No

That's being reactive than proactive. China is risk adverse.

NO. Proactive in the international stage these days means military aggresion!

Ordie
06-16-2009, 12:33 AM
NO. Proactive in the international stage these days means military aggresion!

Not really.

Being proactive in the international stage can include economic, social, environmental, health, safety, standards etc....

BloodyTalon
06-16-2009, 12:36 AM
NO. Proactive in the international stage these days means military aggresion!
rofl you really don't know what being a superpower means, do you?

Holmes85
06-16-2009, 12:39 AM
Why Can't We All Just Get Along And Be Friends? Surely there can be two Super Powers in the world. Remember, the United States and the Soviet Union were the best of Friends for many years and never gave each other the Cold shoulder.:)

On another note, I do believe it's time that the U.S. began to open up more with China. There are just so many possibilities for wealth as well as advancement if the United States and China were to pool each others resources. However this can only work if United States and China are willing to work together and break down the great wall that stands between them.

Roaming East
06-16-2009, 12:46 AM
Why Can't We All Just Get Along And Be Friends? Surely there can be two Super Powers in the world. Remember, the United States and the Soviet Union were the best of Friends for many years and never gave each other the Cold shoulder.:)

On another note, I do believe it's time that the U.S. began to open up more with China. There are just so many possibilities for wealth as well as advancement if the United States and China were to pool each others resources. However this can only work if United States and China are willing to work together and break down the great wall that stands between them.
What the hell are you jabbering about? The US IS open with China, to such an extent that you cant go to any store and find an item not made there. The issue is that CHINA is the one not open with anyone. They are quite content to pirate and reverse engineer anything they possibly can while ensuring no foreign markets are able to compete within the PRC proper.

Shuimo
06-16-2009, 01:02 AM
Why Can't We All Just Get Along And Be Friends? Surely there can be two Super Powers in the world. Remember, the United States and the Soviet Union were the best of Friends for many years and never gave each other the Cold shoulder.:)

On another note, I do believe it's time that the U.S. began to open up more with China. There are just so many possibilities for wealth as well as advancement if the United States and China were to pool each others resources. However this can only work if United States and China are willing to work together and break down the great wall that stands between them.
Good points!rofl

Holmes85
06-16-2009, 01:14 AM
What the hell are you jabbering about? The US IS open with China, to such an extent that you cant go to any store and find an item not made there. The issue is that CHINA is the one not open with anyone. They are quite content to pirate and reverse engineer anything they possibly can while ensuring no foreign markets are able to compete within the PRC proper.

(Note this is just a counterargument to point out the possible reasons why the Chinese would mistrust or be secretive towards to the U.S.)

You know if look into America's past interactions with China it would shed a great deal of light as to why they are secretive and sometime mistrusting of the United States. But to save the trouble, I'll give you one example. After the Second World War was over the United States took an active role in trying to ensure the defeat of Mao's forces by supporting his adversary through military supply and war material. However, when this attempt failed, the United States basically abandoned a war torn China that had been ravaged by WWII and a conflict prolonged by the America to recover on its own. So, I do believe there is some reason behind secrecy and mistrust, but it is due to historical circumstances.

Additionally, you also raise an interesting point in your mentioning of the pirating and stealing of technologies by the Chinese, because this could be due to historical circumstances. This probably stemmed from China's attempts to catch up with the rest world that had left them behind after WWII. If it makes you feel any better, the Chinese still have learn how to use the technology they copy or pirate, since they have no manual to work from. And I have no doubt that were just as many Chinese inventions and products stolen and copied over the centuries, so lets not go down that road.

Ordie
06-16-2009, 02:49 AM
Why Can't We All Just Get Along And Be Friends? Surely there can be two Super Powers in the world. Remember, the United States and the Soviet Union were the best of Friends for many years and never gave each other the Cold shoulder.:).

We are getting along and getting to know each other with debate and discourse.

Holmes85
06-16-2009, 03:05 AM
We are getting along and getting to know each other with debate and discourse.

Do you mean discussion through MP.net or actual Diplomacy?

Soldat_Américain
06-16-2009, 03:13 AM
Historically speaking, every time the Chinese had a chance to basically conquer the world they dabbled just a tiny bit and then turned inward and isolationist. Think where the world would be in the Ming fleets had been kept up instead of scuttling those huge treasure ships.

Holmes85
06-16-2009, 03:50 AM
Historically speaking, every time the Chinese had a chance to basically conquer the world they dabbled just a tiny bit and then turned inward and isolationist. Think where the world would be in the Ming fleets had been kept up instead of scuttling those huge treasure ships.

Actually that was more to due the increasing threat posed by a revival in Mongol power which was met by diverting funds into the construction of the Great Wall. So the government basically viewed the fleet as waste of money as compared to current matters of importance.

On another note, turning inward could be the result of the threat placed on the Mongols at the time. The Chinese were so focused on preventing them from entering China that they did not look outward, since their homeland was of greater importance. I mean would a group of explorers and soldiers want to go on a exploration far from home if they knew their homeland was under constant threat? However, this is only a theory of mine and nothing more.