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Shuimo
06-17-2009, 12:30 AM
I spent the last few years in Africa in close contact with African people from all walks of life. What do they think of the Chinese people, who came to Africa rather late on an economic expedition?
Their general impression of the Chinese people is that they are hard-working. Be it engineering or doing business, Chinese people barely rest on weekends or holidays. They work from 7 am to 6:30 pm, plus overtime at night.

“You Chinese work very hard,” said Mr. Balay, a government official in an Ethiopian city. “That’s the main reason your country develops so fast. People in Ethiopia lack that spirit.”

Though poor, the African people have a completely different work attitude. They have long ago adopted the “two-day weekend” policy. If you want them to stay for 10 minutes extra after work, they’ll ask for overtime, and sue if they don’t get it. Even though overtime pays much higher than their regular salaries, they don’t want to work extra hours. They’d rather enjoy the free time as granted by law. They can’t understand why Chinese people work so hard or where all the fun is.
Chinese products are cheap. Here in Africa most of the garments, home appliances, hardware and motorcycles are made in China. A fellow Chinese was buying goods for his company and asked a local shop owner if there was anything cheap in his store. The shop owner didn’t even hesitate: “Sure, ‘made in China’ is cheap.” In Africa, “made in China” stands for cheap and low-quality.

Last month a Cameroonian official, Mr. Samba, and I were driving through Douala, the economic center of Cameroon. I pointed to the stores on both sides of the street and said proudly: “Look, 80 percent of the products are made in China.” Mr. Samba replied: “Yet how come there’re no Chinese cars running around in Africa?” Even Chinese companies in Africa would rather choose Toyota or Mitsubishi than Chinese brands because the quality is just poor.

Chinese people generally lack legal awareness. Some Chinese companies neglect the laws in Africa. For example, they don’t sign contracts, don’t pay for insurances, pay less than minimum wage, force employees to work on holidays, don’t pay overtime or fire people whenever they want. As a result, they are constantly caught in conflicts or lawsuits with local employees.

A Chinese construction company in Africa was served 150 subpoenas in one day because it fired employees without following legal procedures and the employees all sued. Chinese people must learn the laws when they come to Africa so that they won’t find themselves in trouble.

Chinese people don’t pay enough attention to the image. For example, many take off their shoes in the car and put their bare feet against the windshield. Chinese companies in Africa usually have simple, even shabby offices. Some construction companies and department stores have poor furnishings or decoration, and the employees don’t have manners. It could create a negative impression that all Chinese people are sloppy.

Many Chinese people disrupt the market. Serge Michel, contributor to the book La Chinafrique, thinks that Chinese companies are forcing out European ones from the African market with their extremely low bid prices.

In a bid on a wastewater treatment project in Senegal, the Chinese offered a price less than one third of the French bidders’. The French bidders were furious. In order to reduce the loss or make a profit out of the low bid price, some companies lower construction standards, violate contracts, cut corners or use substandard materials, making it impossible to guarantee the quality of the work.

Chinese people don’t stick together. In Africa, Chinese people from different companies barely greet each other on the street. Although thousands of miles away from home, they don’t feel close to each other. For Chinese businessmen in the same African city, competition might cause great conflicts. They might turn against each other. Gang problems are also serious. People from different regions of China form their own little circles and attack each other.

We are on others’ territory, and we must mind others’ feelings. To enjoy a long-term benefit in Africa, we should have self-respect and discipline, be self-motivated and behave ourselves. We should leave a good impression so that the African people welcome us.

The author is director of Woreta— Woldiya Project launched by World Bank in Ethiopia. This article was translated by Xuyang Jingjing
Source: Global Times [21:37 June 15 2009]

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Shuimo
06-17-2009, 12:33 AM
Plz click:

China through the eyes of an educcated American (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159315)

for interesting contrastive reading!

Mark Sman
06-17-2009, 01:04 AM
China through the eyes of an educcated American (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159315)

Only one c in educated.

budgie
06-17-2009, 02:12 AM
Covenient new paymasters.

R/cst
06-17-2009, 03:40 AM
Some truth in the report.

Many african dont like or trust the chinese

Empulse
06-17-2009, 03:48 AM
Some truth in the report.

Many african dont like or trust the chinese

But the Chinese are ''conquering'' or colonizing them and South-America anyway. Apart from growing global political power, they simultaneously manage to secure all the raw materials they need for China's rapid growth.

calimero2
06-17-2009, 06:44 AM
In Africa, “made in China” stands for cheap and low-quality.


Now there's a surprise :-) Interesting read though.

saturnin
06-17-2009, 10:25 AM
Chinese people don’t stick together. In Africa, Chinese people from different companies barely greet each other on the street. Although thousands of miles away from home, they don’t feel close to each other. For Chinese businessmen in the same African city, competition might cause great conflicts. They might turn against each other. Gang problems are also serious. People from different regions of China form their own little circles and attack each other.


is this standard behaviour of Chinese abroad?

gustav
06-17-2009, 10:31 AM
Some truth in the report.

Many african dont like or trust the chinese

But still, their influence is growing, when they are angered by French meddlings in their affairs, they threaten to call the Chinese, and not the US, like they used to do. Empty threats, but revealing nonetheless. p-)

Ordie
06-17-2009, 10:59 AM
is this standard behaviour of Chinese abroad?

Unlike Americans or any Ex-pat, the Chinese don't make it a point to seek each other. They only congregate at a local restaurants or store where Chinese goods are sold.

Outside family, friends or guanxi, Chinese treat each other with indifference to the point of being rude at times.

Pushing, shoving, talking loudly, spitting, etc.....

saturnin
06-17-2009, 11:16 AM
Unlike Americans or any Ex-pat, the Chinese don't make it a point to seek each other. They only congregate at a local restaurants or store where Chinese goods are sold.

Outside family, friends or guanxi, Chinese treat each other with indifference to the point of being rude at times.

Pushing, shoving, talking loudly, spitting, etc.....

so is there any strong tense between different Chinese? I mean from different region or diferent dialect. Most experience with asian I have is from Vietnamese or Koreans and I didnīt recognised this sort of problem. But I didnīt have much opporutnity to see closer how they really act among yourselves. And there is strong differences between Vientamese etc and Chinese.

hardcharger
06-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Nah guys,

Chinese people are never united at all. This is a true fact. If they do, then all hell would break loose. This has been going on since the early Dynasties. It's in the blood!

Solvent
06-17-2009, 01:18 PM
Unlike Americans or any Ex-pat, the Chinese don't make it a point to seek each other. They only congregate at a local restaurants or store where Chinese goods are sold.

Outside family, friends or guanxi, Chinese treat each other with indifference to the point of being rude at times.

Pushing, shoving, talking loudly, spitting, etc.....

In order to make the world a better place, Ordie, next time when you go to China, try to say "excuse me" and smile when you pass very single person, let's see what will happen to you.

However, spitting is bad habit...

Ordie
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
so is there any strong tense between different Chinese? I mean from different region or diferent dialect. Most experience with asian I have is from Vietnamese or Koreans and I didnīt recognised this sort of problem. But I didnīt have much opporutnity to see closer how they really act among yourselves. And there is strong differences between Vientamese etc and Chinese.

Yes and no.

In the US the general tendency to put Japanese, Koreans, Vietamese, Filipinos and Chinese under a single category: Asians

Here in San Francisco exist five different Chinese communities.

1) Decendents of the Gold Rush Chinese from Taishan county near Macao. Most are acculturated Americans working in government. (SFPD/SFFD)

2) Cantonese speaking community from Guanzhou via Hong Kong. Mostly working class folks. Refugees from the Cultural Revolution into Hong Kong. No love lost for the CCP.

3) Taiwanese / Mandarin speaking community living in wealthy suburbs such as Millbrae and Cupertino (or any place with a good school district)

4) Peruvian Latin Chinese community living within the Mission District and by all accounts acculturated Latin Americans.

5) New arrivals from Mainland China mostly from Hunan provence. Though a notable Chinese student population from the mainland at UC Berkeley and Stanford.

There is a growing mixed Chinese-Non Asian community in the Bay Area as well. Many of the children of Chinese immigrants are getting married with non Chinese Americans especially among women.

Moreover, many within the Vietnamese, Thai, and Cambodian community are ethnic Chinese but acculturated themselves within these communities.

I'm sure tensions exist, especially between the Chinatown societies and thier loyalties to the ROC or PRC, but most are happy to live here and take advantage of the educational opportunities. The kids undoubtedly are Americans with little or no ties to the old country.

While the local newspapers are suffering, local Chinese media is thriving with at least five daily competing newspapers, radio and television. Many of the viewpoints are independent.

The only time I've seen tensions arise within the Chinese community is whenever a school boundary is changed. Or the kid was denied access to a school of thier choice.

The Tibet issue during the Olympic torch run, awoken the new arrivals much to the bilwiderment of the other Chinese communities.

Ordie
06-17-2009, 01:34 PM
In order to make the world a better place, Ordie, next time when you go to China, try to say "excuse me" and smile when you pass very single person, let's see what will happen to you.

However, spitting is bad habit...

I did.

But I had a very bad experience with Chinese tourists at the Great Wall in Badaling. Alot of line cutting, yelling and shoving with no apoligies. Especially this idiot who was mocking me.

It was the only time where I openly said to my guide that I hate China.

Solvent
06-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I did.

But I had a very bad experience with Chinese tourists at the Great Wall in Badaling. Alot of line cutting, yelling and shoving with no apoligies. Especially this idiot who was mocking me.

It was the only time where I openly said to my guide that I hate China.

Yes, indeed it was bad experience. Some people do behave very badly. That is part of the reason that when I am traveling, I always chose the place with less tourists. There is some remote parts of the Great Wall, they are really beautiful.

SBL
06-17-2009, 02:24 PM
But I had a very bad experience with Chinese tourists at the Great Wall in Badaling. Alot of line cutting, yelling and shoving with no apoligies. Especially this idiot who was mocking me.

I've had similar experiences boarding the Chinatown Express in NY. :lol:


Thanks for breaking down the local communities, Ordie. Pretty interesting.

Ordie
06-17-2009, 02:42 PM
From my experience and observation, Chinese traditional etiquette generally applies only to family, friends, co-workers, guests and dealing with government.

It very formal, structured and predicatable.

But not to strangers to whom they have no relationships. Especially in dealing with each other in public.

SBL
06-17-2009, 03:04 PM
From my experience and observation, Chinese traditional etiquette generally applies only to family, friends, co-workers, guests and dealing with government.

It very formal, structured and predicatable.

But not to strangers to whom they have no relationships. Especially in dealing with each other in public.
Unsurprisingly, it's a bit similar to Japanese culture in that people outside one's circle of immediate relationships are generally considered to be invisible.

A practice that's generally only breached for the sake of conducting business.

saturnin
06-17-2009, 05:54 PM
to Ordie: thanks for reply

dave81
06-17-2009, 07:28 PM
Unsurprisingly, it's a bit similar to Japanese culture in that people outside one's circle of immediate relationships are generally considered to be invisible.From my experience of living in Korea for a year and half, Koreans are similar. But to an antisocial person like me, that's not necessarily a bad thing; you save a lot of time that way. It's like living with Vulcans!

Ordie
06-17-2009, 08:16 PM
Unsurprisingly, it's a bit similar to Japanese culture in that people outside one's circle of immediate relationships are generally considered to be invisible.

A practice that's generally only breached for the sake of conducting business.

I get a 'feeling' that civil society in Asian countries tends to be one of being of an obligatory nature rather than voluntary.

Very opposite of American informality in a public setting as a means communicate, ease tensions, and interact with strangers. I also think Americans have an egalitarian attitude regardless of income that promotes civil society.

SBL
06-17-2009, 08:54 PM
I get a 'feeling' that civil society in Asian countries tends to be one of being of an obligatory nature rather than voluntary.


Oh, totally. Read up a little on Confucianism if you haven't already.

EasyC
06-17-2009, 09:20 PM
In Africa, “made in China” stands for cheap and low-quality.


What a shocking revelation.

Ordie
06-17-2009, 09:37 PM
Oh, totally. Read up a little on Confucianism if you haven't already.

Yep, the more I read it, the more angry I get.

I have a similar reaction when reading Sharia law.

Both were okay in times of warlord tribal settings, but not adapted for the modern world.

I could see why Mao hated Confucious.

damagejackal
06-18-2009, 01:58 AM
Unsurprisingly, it's a bit similar to Japanese culture in that people outside one's circle of immediate relationships are generally considered to be invisible.


Obviously been on the receiving end of someones, suspicious gaijin ignoring look??:)

R/cst
06-18-2009, 02:33 AM
The Chinese need to be careful in their dealings with Africa as the locals can go from calm to mob in about 10 seconds.

The locals have learnt from their past that if you don’t like something the easiest way to change it is from the barrel of a gun or the blade of a knife.

A case in point would be the recent xeno violence in SA; there have been similar incidents in the past where the Chinese shops in the townships have been attacked as they were seen to be stealing business from the locals.

About a year ago there were a number of attacks against Chinese owned businesses, but these were instigated by the Triads in an attempt to extort protection from the owners

TheOpposition
06-18-2009, 06:10 PM
What a shocking revelation.


oh boy, that deserved a good ole deep belly laugh.



My I can almost see the who wrote this article. Anyways what is the objective to worsen black-asian relations? Becuase read it outloud and oyu will figure it out why..people are far too busy trying to create conflict nowadays.

jetsetter
06-18-2009, 07:15 PM
Unlike Americans or any Ex-pat, the Chinese don't make it a point to seek each other. They only congregate at a local restaurants or store where Chinese goods are sold.

Outside family, friends or guanxi, Chinese treat each other with indifference to the point of being rude at times.

Pushing, shoving, talking loudly, spitting, etc.....

Can one relate this to the multiple horrendous civil wars that have occurred within China throughout the centuries? The number of dead can be quite amazing considering the times at which these conflicts occurred.