NSW SOPMOD M-14

[landshark]

http://troyind.com/images/2sopmodm14big.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/pose.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/burlapbig.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/comparisonbig.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/smpolicebig.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/sopclose1big.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/sopmodclosed.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/sopmodopen.jpg
http://troyind.com/images/sopmod3big.jpg

[tuckerhat]

Just wondering, whats the "purpose" of this weapon? ie: CQB, "sniping", etc etc

[Durandal]

CQB with a punch...SOP Mod....

[landshark]

It is a sniper rifle/CQB weapon. It is also much more powerful than normal weapons. Currently being used by the SEALs.

[DPGLAW]

IS there a civilian legal verison of the carbine in the 1st picture available for purchase? I am going to purchase a rifle as soon as I am finished with the licensing process and I want one that is just like the one in the first photo, if nto exactly that one....can someone point me to some websites where I would be able to find a civilian carbine like that one, or that one in particular for purchase....thnaks for oyur direction

[MEGR]

IS there a civilian legal verison of the carbine in the 1st picture available for purchase? I am going to purchase a rifle as soon as I am finished with the licensing process and I want one that is just like the one in the first photo, if nto exactly that one....can someone point me to some websites where I would be able to find a civilian carbine like that one, or that one in particular for purchase....thnaks for oyur direction

Well, not exactly like the pics. There is an m14 SOCOM out there. Go to www.springfieldarmory.com, they show all types of m14s including the SOCOM. A little pricy however ;)

[landshark]

If you are allowed to buy silencers in your state, you can buy that exact rifle. The military version is the same as the civilian version.
http://troyind.com/

[AMBUSH]

I like the looks of it, But that cheeck rest. Man it looks like a giant shoehorn that will get tangled on anything.

[Durandal]

There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III you ain't getting a REAL one.

Go to the Springfield Armory website for more details on the M1A.

[DPGLAW]

thank you so much for that link....that is exactly the rifle I am goign to purchase....I am not allowed to have a silencer but I am going to try to get one anyways, I have always wanted a firearm with one :) thanks so much for that site...I should get the rilfe permit in like 6 weeks...everything was submitted 2 weeks ago and they (the police dept.) told me a total of 8 weekd. I am going to purchase the SOPMOD M-14 rilfe from that company or perhaps one of their other rifles...hopefully anyways as I jsut emailed them for the price list...When they don't list the proces, that scares me..lol...but for that type of weapon I was plannign on spending like $1500-$2000 so Im hoping it's in that range.

If anyone has any other sites with m4,m14,m16 with the SOPMOD build carbines that are semi-auto and therefore civilian legal that are in the 500-2000 price rance either PM me with the site or post it on this thread. I will be grateful for any help you can provide. When I get the rilfe I plan on taking some nice shots and posting them here after my first shoot.

[landshark]

There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III you ain't getting a REAL one.

Go to the Springfield Armory website for more details on the M1A.

No, you can get silencers legally without being a Class III. If you want an M1A go to your link. If you want the SOPMOD go to my link. Both are available for civilians.

[DPGLAW]

this rifle is nice...I like this one too. I could add a Harris Bi-Pod, nice Eotech site and get it camo painted in desesrt colors and I think it would look sweert...check it out and let me know what you think, any suggestions are welcome..

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom.shtml

[landshark]

Go for an ACOG instead of the EOtech. Both are great, but an ACOG uses the long-range advantages of the rifle as well. :)

[DPGLAW]

thanks landshark for the advice, it sounds like you know what you are talking about so I will take that into account, so you liked the rifle I showed you in the final post with a harris bipod and an ACOG sight with a camo paint job. I think taht woudl look good and in your view that is a good set up for that rifle

[landshark]

Yes it would look great. Make sure that if you choose to have Troy customize your M1A (like in the first picture) that you first ask them which M1A to buy. They may recommend buying a standard M1A instead of the SOCOM M1A. I am very happy with mine. I get better than 1/3 M.O.A. with it. :)

[Some Guy]

I am not allowed to have a silencer but I am going to try to get one anyways

woot Thats the spirit kid!
Also - the SOPMOD conversion is $2500 PLUS the cost of the M14.


Currently being used by the SEALs
Go slow here... Are you basing this on firsthand knowledge? Are you thinking of the EBR program and Troy's role in that? Do you know what I'm talking about? I'm not trying to be a ball-buster here but I think you're disseminating a lot of internet storytelling in these threads..

[landshark]

Man, you've got an ax to grind and I'd like to know why. Is it because I posted anti 5.56mm quotes from highly reputable sources? Can you not handle the fact that not everyone will agree with your personal preferences? I hate posting flames, but you persistent cynicism is quite irritating.

[Aussie E]

There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III you ain't getting a REAL one.

Go to the Springfield Armory website for more details on the M1A.
Wrong! You can get a silencer if you live in a free state (NV for one). You need to get a Tax stamp ($200), go through background check and have alot of pateince as the paperwork takes 6-18 months (just like full-auto and sbr/sbsg). The issue I see more then the silncer is the collapsing stock and flash supressor (to have these now (after sept if and when the ban expires disregard) you will need a "pre-ban" rifle, which cost a whole lot more). I think a supressor is considered a "flash supressor" as well and would be illegal to install on a post ban gun.
Silencer and related websites:

www.gem-tech.com
www.advanced-armament.com
www.ccfa.com
www.armstechltd.com
www.ebr-inc.net
www.knightarmco.com
www.srtarms.com
www.soundtechsilencers.com


1. Are these things legal?
Yes. Silencers are legal for private ownership in all but 16 states.from advanced armaments website FAQ

[landshark]

The issue I see more then the silencer is the collapsing stock and flash suppressor (to have these now (after sept if and when the ban expires disregard) you will need a "pre-ba" rifle, which cost a whole lot more. I think a suppressor is considered a "flash suppressor" as well and would be illegal to install on a post ban gun.
You're exactly right. The thing you may not know is that you can get the SOPMAD M1A without the flash suppressor, which makes it legal regardless of the ban.

[Aussie E]

Agree (you can get the cal-legal brake on it aswell), but your not going to be able to put the collapsing stock on that puppy unless its pre-ban or the ban expires in Sept (everyone wait a couple of months before you go out and buy a tactical rifle).
I should be picking up my M1A Scout this weekeend from the smith (getting it glass bedded). I think you are going to loose to much vel with the 16" barrel and the sight radius will be shorter. 18" scout is a good comprimise for CQB and medium range work. Definatly go with an ACOG (TA11F). It rides a little high with the mount, but you can have the mount milled and attach the scope directly to it with screw through the mag well with the bolt open. I'll post some digi's when I get it back.

[landshark]

You can get an 18'' SOPMOD instead of the 16''.

[Aussie E]

What's the difference between the 18" Scout and the 18" SOPMOD? I think your mistaking the Scout for a SOPMOD and the scout has been around for alot longer then the SOPMOD.

[landshark]

What's the difference between the 18" Scout and the 18" SOPMOD? I think your mistaking the Scout for a SOPMOD and the scout has been around for alot longer then the SOPMOD.

SOPMOD M1A 18'' (Optional)
http://troyind.com/images/smpolicebig.jpg

Scout M1A 18''
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/ScoutSquadTop.jpg

[Aussie E]

Don't get pissed, I'm not flaming your post, but I think your mistaken on the barrel length on the top rifle. Look at the distance past the op-rod, the lower one (Scout) has a couple more inches before the barrel starts, then the exposed barrel on the scout is even with the exposed barrel on the SOPMOD.

[landshark]

Don't get pissed, I'm not flaming your post, but I think your mistaken on the barrel length on the top rifle. Look at the distance past the op-rod, the lower one (Scout) has a couple more inches before the barrel starts, then the exposed barrel on the scout is even with the exposed barrel on the SOPMOD.

Yeah, I couldn't find a picture (that I knew for sure) of an 18'' SOPMOD, so I used this picture to clarify that I was not confusing the SOPMOD with the Scout. I would love to have my M1A modified into a SOPMOD. Are you interested in the conversion?

[ZeroPositive]

sweet photos but I still have a soft spot for wood bodies...

[Aussie E]

No, I like rifles that have regular stocks. I own a bunch of AR's, an AK as well as a Leader Eng. SAR that have pistol grips, and I purchased the M1A Scout a couple of years ago when I moved back to CA, so that I could have a CA legal semi-auto rifle (no pistol grip or flash supressor) that was of good quality. I still travel back to CA quit a bit and its nice to have a rifle that isn't considered an "assualt" weapon. Little do the geniuos politician know that the M1A is a more versitile rifle then most of the ones they have banned in CA.
But a supressor that's another story, one day I'll get off my lazy ass and get around to purchasing one (.223 that I can put on my pre-ban AR or the Leader). If the ban expires in September it will open a lot of avenues to modify existing rifles with ex :D cessories.

[landshark]

That Cal ban sounds miserable. Is there any word on it going away?

[Aussie E]

Not that I have heard, one of the reason I moved away, you can own a mini-14/30, M1A, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine or a AR15 with perminate 10rd mag with all the "evil" ex :D cessories (collaps stock/bayo lug/flash hider) but you can't own a AR15 that wasn't registered before 2000. You can't own a pistol that has its magwell any where other then the grip (target .22's Hammeriiles etc.), you can't tranfer the weapons even to your own family even if you die. It just plane SUCKS! There was a girl that wanted to be an Olympic shooter and she couldn't own her pistol, she couldn't shoot her fathers and when they went to see the local political rep, he told her to move to Texas, if she wanted to be an Olympic athlete.
Goverment for the people, by the people.

[maw]

It is a sniper rifle/CQB weapon.
i personally don't believe the 3' groups at 500 yards claim, besides nsw already has a .308 semi sniper rifle. the mk11. yeah it's nose heavy but there's more than a couple of guys who've placed a vertical foregrip on it and taken one into a mout mission. as for the cqb weapon, have you ever experienced a short barrel .308 being fired in a kill house/cqb scenario?


It is also much more powerful than normal weapons.
what do you mean by that statement? nsw currently have several other .308 firearms in their inventory, as well as firearms chambered for .300 win mag, .50 bmg, etc... how is this rifle "much more powerful than normal weapons"?


Currently being used by the SEALs.
really? does it have a nsn? which teams are deploying with these in their war bags? or is this yet another item that has been given to the teams for evaluation so that the manufacturer can say "being used by the SEALs".

fyi, the issue ebr's aren't coming from troy. they come from sage and appear to be regular m14's with shorter barrels, stock reciever (without the mike rock gas system modifications) dropped into a sage stock. some have a ras (kac i believe). but that's about the extent of it. these rifles are by no means super rifles, they just represent a way to extend the life of an old workhorse. they're not sniper rifle accurate, they're just hard hitting tools suitable for certain types of mission (eg. otb, arctic).

btw, you do know that (if you know what you're doing) you can hit a b24 target with a 14.5 bbl'd m4 all day long? and the recon rifle configuration with the 16'' lilja barrels is good for sub-moa out to 600 yards.

it's cool that you're pumped on mike rock's latest masterpiece. but you really shouldn't post some of this stuff, at best it's potentially very misleading.

[Durandal]

***IMPORTANT***

Read this entire thing...

None of you that purchase firearms listen to these guys...

NEVER trust a website for your source of legal information. Read up on your State laws and Federal ones and THEN ask your local District attorney (NOT, I repeat, NOT a cop or sheriff since they are often times unfamiliar with the small print of gun laws).

Christ all mighty...you guys are felonies waiting to happen...

Lastly, I am not a lawyer, just a guy that does a lot of LEGAL research on gun ownership, I could be wrong and it is ALWAYS important for YOU to find out.

From www.ATF.org (The Federal governments website...I am looking at the printed law in a book next to me)

Gun Control Act of 1968 as amended by the Firearms Owners` Protection Act


60102. Ownership, Etc., of Certain Firearms prohibited.
The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift,
transfer or acquisition of any machine guns, sub-machine guns,
automatic rifles or any other firearm not a rifle having a barrel
length of sixteen (16) inches or greater or not a shotgun having
a barrel length of eighteen (18) inches or greater or a revolver
or pistol having a barrel length of more than twelve (12) inches
is prohibited . Mufflers, silencers or devices for deadening the
sound of discharged firearms are also prohibited. Any person
violating this Section shall be guilty of a felony which shall be
punishable for a term of imprisonment of not less than three (3)
years and a fine of not less than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000).
Imposition of sentence shall not be suspended and the offender
shall not be eligible for parole nor work release until the term
of imprisonment prescribed herein has been completed nor may
probation be imposed in lieu of this portion of the offender`s
sentence. Provided, however, that in the case of an offender not
previously convicted of a felony, the court may sentence the
offender to not more than two (2) years imprisonment and the
provisions of this Section prohibiting probation, suspension,
parole or work release shall not be applicable to such offender.


And since at least one of you CLAIMING you can legal own silencers is from the State of Nevada here is the important info...

If this does not sway you then I suggest you actually ask a LAWYER or State rep knowledgeable on this subject or read the code for yourself...

From the State of Nevada 2003 Revised Statutes, Chapter 202


NRS 202.350*Manufacture, importation, possession or use of dangerous weapon or silencer; carrying concealed weapon without permit; penalties; issuance of permit to carry concealed weapon; exceptions.


***** 1. *Except as otherwise provided in this section and NRS 202.355 and 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, a person within this state shall not:


***** (a) Manufacture or cause to be manufactured, or import into the State, or keep, offer or expose for sale, or give, lend or possess any knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a switchblade knife, blackjack, slungshot, billy, sand-club, sandbag or metal knuckles;


***** (b) Manufacture or cause to be manufactured, or import into the State, or keep, offer or expose for sale, or give, lend, possess or use a machine gun or a silencer, unless authorized by federal law;


***** (c) With the intent to inflict harm upon the person of another, possess or use a nunchaku or trefoil; or


***** (d) Carry concealed upon his person any:


************ (1) Explosive substance, other than ammunition or any components thereof;


************ (2) Dirk, dagger or machete;


************ (3) Pistol, revolver or other firearm, or other dangerous or deadly weapon; or


************ (4) Knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle.


***** 2. *Except as otherwise provided in NRS 202.275 and 212.185, a person who violates any of the provisions of:


***** (a) Paragraph (a) or (c) or subparagraph (2) or (4) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty:


************ (1) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.


************ (2) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.


***** (b) Paragraph (b) or subparagraph (1) or (3) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty of a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.


***** 3. *Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the sheriff of any county may, upon written application by a resident of that county showing the reason or the purpose for which a concealed weapon is to be carried, issue a permit authorizing the applicant to carry in this state the concealed weapon described in the permit. The sheriff shall not issue a permit to a person to carry a switchblade knife. This subsection does not authorize the sheriff to issue a permit to a person to carry a pistol, revolver or other firearm.


***** 4. *Except as otherwise provided in subsection 5, this section does not apply to:


***** (a) Sheriffs, constables, marshals, peace officers, correctional officers employed by the Department of Corrections, special police officers, police officers of this state, whether active or honorably retired, or other appointed officers.


***** (b) Any person summoned by any peace officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while the person so summoned is actually engaged in assisting such an officer.


***** (c) Any full-time paid peace officer of an agency of the United States or another state or political subdivision thereof when carrying out official duties in the State of Nevada.


***** (d) Members of the Armed Forces of the United States when on duty.


***** 5. *The exemptions provided in subsection 4 do not include a former peace officer who is retired for disability unless his former employer has approved his fitness to carry a concealed weapon.


***** 6. *The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 1 do not apply to any person who is licensed, authorized or permitted to possess or use a machine gun or silencer pursuant to federal law. The burden of establishing federal licensure, authorization or permission is upon the person possessing the license, authorization or permission.


***** 7. *As used in this section:

***** (c) “Machine gun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot or can be readily restored to shoot more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

(e) “Silencer” means any device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a silencer or muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

[Durandal]

With that being said...

If you want a short .308 M14 that as a civilian in the UNITED STATES (depending on your State and local laws) without having to get a CLASS III license to own a weapon that is silenced and a barrel length under 16"...

Then this is what you want:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/SOCOM16.jpg

So long as it has a 16" barrel length and no silencer, you should be cool. If the weapon is a preban semi-M14/M1A then you can have a collapsible stock as well. If it is not and it is a newly manufactured rifle then it has to be a fixed stock.

My recommendation.

Wait till AFTER Sept 13. The 1994 AWB should sunset then and there will be less issues and you can get a better gun.

[landshark]

With that being said...

If you want a short .308 M14 that as a civilian in the UNITED STATES (depending on your State and local laws) without having to get a CLASS III license to own a weapon that is silenced and a barrel length under 16"...

Then this is what you want:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/SOCOM16.jpg

So long as it has a 16" barrel length and no silencer, you should be cool. If the weapon is a preban semi-M14/M1A then you can have a collapsible stock as well. If it is not and it is a newly manufactured rifle then it has to be a fixed stock.

My recommendation.

Wait till AFTER Sept 13. The 1994 AWB should sunset then and there will be less issues and you can get a better gun.

The civilian version has at least a 16'' barrel (or an 18'') and silencers are limited options (as with all weapons). The civilian SOPMOD at this point must (logical guess) come with a fixed stock.

[rob]

nopw not at all, they just base the converstion ona pre 94 m1a and you can have all the folding or clapsable stocks you want, if not then they can just pin it so it doesnt move, but it still looks the same, not a full size stock like in the above picture.

[scrybe]

Those are so ugly...

[pretorian669]

Some nice M14 configurations...
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/070b1fec.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/79b20b7d.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/bdb740f6.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/878cd7f9.jpg

[Tributal]

***IMPORTANT***

Read this entire thing...

None of you that purchase firearms listen to these guys...

NEVER trust a website for your source of legal information. Read up on your State laws and Federal ones and THEN ask your local District attorney (NOT, I repeat, NOT a cop or sheriff since they are often times unfamiliar with the small print of gun laws).Totally agree with that statement!



And since at least one of you CLAIMING you can legal own silencers is from the State of Nevada here is the important info...

If this does not sway you then I suggest you actually ask a LAWYER or State rep knowledgeable on this subject or read the code for yourself...

From the State of Nevada 2003 Revised Statutes, Chapter 202


NRS 202.350*Manufacture, importation, possession or use of dangerous weapon or silencer; carrying concealed weapon without permit; penalties; issuance of permit to carry concealed weapon; exceptions.


***** 1. *Except as otherwise provided in this section and NRS 202.355 and 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, a person within this state shall not:


***** (a) Manufacture or cause to be manufactured, or import into the State, or keep, offer or expose for sale, or give, lend or possess any knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a switchblade knife, blackjack, slungshot, billy, sand-club, sandbag or metal knuckles;


***** (b) Manufacture or cause to be manufactured, or import into the State, or keep, offer or expose for sale, or give, lend, possess or use a machine gun or a silencer, unless authorized by federal law;


***** (c) With the intent to inflict harm upon the person of another, possess or use a nunchaku or trefoil; or


***** (d) Carry concealed upon his person any:


************ (1) Explosive substance, other than ammunition or any components thereof;


************ (2) Dirk, dagger or machete;


************ (3) Pistol, revolver or other firearm, or other dangerous or deadly weapon; or


************ (4) Knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle.


***** 2. *Except as otherwise provided in NRS 202.275 and 212.185, a person who violates any of the provisions of:


***** (a) Paragraph (a) or (c) or subparagraph (2) or (4) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty:


************ (1) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.


************ (2) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.


***** (b) Paragraph (b) or subparagraph (1) or (3) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty of a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.


***** 3. *Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the sheriff of any county may, upon written application by a resident of that county showing the reason or the purpose for which a concealed weapon is to be carried, issue a permit authorizing the applicant to carry in this state the concealed weapon described in the permit. The sheriff shall not issue a permit to a person to carry a switchblade knife. This subsection does not authorize the sheriff to issue a permit to a person to carry a pistol, revolver or other firearm.


***** 4. *Except as otherwise provided in subsection 5, this section does not apply to:


***** (a) Sheriffs, constables, marshals, peace officers, correctional officers employed by the Department of Corrections, special police officers, police officers of this state, whether active or honorably retired, or other appointed officers.


***** (b) Any person summoned by any peace officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while the person so summoned is actually engaged in assisting such an officer.


***** (c) Any full-time paid peace officer of an agency of the United States or another state or political subdivision thereof when carrying out official duties in the State of Nevada.


***** (d) Members of the Armed Forces of the United States when on duty.


***** 5. *The exemptions provided in subsection 4 do not include a former peace officer who is retired for disability unless his former employer has approved his fitness to carry a concealed weapon.


***** 6. *The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 1 do not apply to any person who is licensed, authorized or permitted to possess or use a machine gun or silencer pursuant to federal law. The burden of establishing federal licensure, authorization or permission is upon the person possessing the license, authorization or permission.


***** 7. *As used in this section:

***** (c) “Machine gun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot or can be readily restored to shoot more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

(e) “Silencer” means any device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a silencer or muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.I think what they were trying to say is that NV legislation does not outright ban the ownership of silencers provided such ownership is in accordance with federal legislation. Ie, silencers are not banned in NV, you just have to jump through the usual government loops to get'em (tax stamps et al.)

[landshark]

Some nice M14 configurations...

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/79b20b7d.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/bdb740f6.jpg

Wow, great pictures. Did you take them at the SHOT show? Are both of them (the two I "quoted" from you) Troy? I'm sure the bottom one is, but the top one looks different. :)

[MAGNUM]

http://www.gun-world.net/USA/m14m21/m14sopmod14.jpg

[landshark]

Guys like "Maw" have trouble seeing that it’s a sniper rifle... I guess that guaranteed 1/2 M.O.A. and 850 yard effective range isn't good enough to be a sniper rifle.

[ChuckThunder]

Guys like "Maw" have trouble seeing that it’s a sniper rifle... I guess that guaranteed 1/2 M.O.A. and 850 yard effective range isn't good enough to be a sniper rifle.

Guys like you don't know when to shut up and listen.

[landshark]

Guys like "Maw" have trouble seeing that it’s a sniper rifle... I guess that guaranteed 1/2 M.O.A. and 850 yard effective range isn't good enough to be a sniper rifle.

Guys like you don't know when to shut up and listen.

To your unsupported illogical personal opinions? **** you.

[yiorgo]

WHo said its not legal to own silencers????....it is PERFECTLY legal to own any silencer you want...Gemtechs ANYTHING and NO you do not have to have a classIII license in florida you have to be incorporated...which takes 5min to fill out paperwork...you pay for the price of the silencer and a one time tax fee......thats it silencer is yours :)

[Durandal]

I think what they were trying to say is that NV legislation does not outright ban the ownership of silencers provided such ownership is in accordance with federal legislation. Ie, silencers are not banned in NV, you just have to jump through the usual government loops to get'em (tax stamps et al.)

Now we ARE splitting hairs. In the State of Nevada, if you buy or make a silencer you engaging in a criminal act. UNLESS the Federal government says it is legal. Sure, it is not California by any stretch, but unless the Federal government tells you you can own a NFA device then it IS illegal.

If that ain't making it illegal, I am not too sure what is.

Better read up on the laws boys...it is not just as simple as paying some 200.00 dollar tax stamp.

[Vulture IT]

http://www.gun-world.net/USA/m14m21/m14sopmod14.jpg

Uhhh very very Cool!
Bye.

[Aussie E]

6. The provisions of paragraph (b) of subsection 1 do not apply to any person who is licensed, authorized or permitted to possess or use a machine gun or silencer pursuant to federal law. The burden of establishing federal licensure, authorization or permission is upon the person possessing the license, authorization or permission.
It's nice to quote sections out of context. It is legal to own full-auto/silencers and short barreled weapons if you live in a state that allows you to have a NFA Federal Tax Stamp, which is not a Class III license. I could give you multiple websites that sell full-auto, the burden of getting the authorization is on you as stated above. But seeing you won't trust anything on a website don't check the followung sites:

http://www.ttb.gov/forms/pdfs/f56307.pdf

http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=7&f=118

http://www.subguns.com

http://www.subguns.com/laws/laws.htm

The silencer websites above have info as well, if you trust it. Below is the AFT NFA webpage (DON"T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT!):

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/index.htm

Your right itsnot as easy as just paying the tax stamp, as I originally posted you have live in a state that allows civilians to own NFA devices, then have the device you want to buy (serial number etc.) held by a Class III dealer, then pay for the stamp and fill out the above form, go through the background check, 2 passport sized photo's, finger prints etc. And then wait 6-18 months for the ATF to process your paperwork. You have to pay for the device up front then wait. I don't know what happens if you were to be denied your stamp. But out here in NV many people have full-auto's and silencers, NFA weaopns are at the gunshows (haven't seen many lately though) and I've even been in a store when someone has come in for their silencer and have taken it to the back range and test fired it. I don't want to get into a pissing match with Durendal, but spend soemtime on the ATF website and you will find that if one goes throught the right steps it is perfectly legal to own silencers and other NFA devices in many states.

[Some Guy]

Better read up on the laws boys...it is not just as simple as paying some 200.00 dollar tax stamp.

Yeah.. It involves filling out some forms, getting a picture taken, waiting a few months for a background check and getting a signature from your local chief of police (or other official). Some chiefs will sign- some won't- at their discretion. The state of Maryland doesn't even leave it up to the chief- pay your fee, don't be a felon and you're good to go as soon as the paperwork comes back. As Yiorgo says- if you're incorperated you can even avoid the local LEO signature.

Point being that many places require more hoop jumping for a fishing license than a license to purchase a silencer. If your state forbids it, you're SOL.. otherwise its only a problem for felons and the very lazy.

EDIT to Add- Aussie E beat me to it.

[Durandal]

I don't want to get into a pissing match with Durendal, but spend soemtime on the ATF website and you will find that if one goes throught the right steps it is perfectly legal to own silencers and other NFA devices in many states.

Who is pissing? You are simply proving my point.

I never claimed that it was NOT legal to own. I said that:

A) No State allows a person to own a silencer because it is a NFA item covered under Federal law. They can "allow" you to own one if the Federal government does, but they cannot change Federal Law, which breaks down to "You can own if WE say you can own it." A majority of States however DO allow you to own one so long as the Federal government grants you permission to own one. The laws are quite clear on this. You home build a silencer for your AR and the Federal government does not ok it...go to jail do not collect 200 and you face at best a misdemeanor charge or at worst a felony, fine, and jail time...no gun ownership, no international travel, no voting...see ya.

So the points I was making (quoting no law out of context):

B) A Class III is a authorized seller of NFA items.

C) Paying a 200.00 tax is NOT the only thing you have to do.

D) Someone cannot simply buy a silencer (hell, even some paintball silencers are considered NFAs). There are a lot of hoops to jump through.

E) Throwing out advice or info like "Anyone can buy a silencer." is NOT good advice. It isn't just about purchasing the device its owning it as well. What do you have to do to take the device somewhere out of State? Is their a municipality or city that does not allow them regardless of Federal legalities. Etc, etc...

Simply stating that you can as a matter of fact, to me, is ignorant and irresponsible.

The age and experience levels of the members of this forum range from teens to sixty year olds. You REALLY need to consider the audience when you discuss stuff. Advice given on this forum could get someone in jail. yes, it would be their fault, not ours, but I like to think that we should take up some of the responsibility and make sure they do not walk away with bad advice.

Meanwhile we have some newbie jackass claiming a shorty M14 has less than a minute of accuracy at 800 yards...

[Aussie E]

Durandal wrote:
Who is pissing? You are simply proving my point.

I never claimed that it was NOT legal to own. I said that:


There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III you ain't getting a REAL one.

[Durandal]

There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III you ain't getting a REAL one.

Go to the Springfield Armory website for more details on the M1A.

Ahhh....that's where the confusion is coming in....

I apologize, that should read:


There is an M1A SOPMOD config and NO you cannot buy silencers regardless of what State you live in...those are controlled under Federal law and unless you have a Class III or approved for an NFA transfer you ain't getting a REAL one.

There, problem solved.

[Aussie E]

Okay, we'll call it good. One needs to be very explicit in these matters, as you said, if someone goes and makes or buys a NFA device off the street, they'll be doing some time at Club FED.

[Durandal]

Okay, we'll call it good. One needs to be very explicit in these matters, as you said, if someone goes and makes or buys a NFA device off the street, they'll be doing some time at Club FED.

All too true...

[Tributal]

I think what they were trying to say is that NV legislation does not outright ban the ownership of silencers provided such ownership is in accordance with federal legislation. Ie, silencers are not banned in NV, you just have to jump through the usual government loops to get'em (tax stamps et al.)Now we ARE splitting hairs. In the State of Nevada, if you buy or make a silencer you engaging in a criminal act. UNLESS the Federal government says it is legal. Sure, it is not California by any stretch, but unless the Federal government tells you you can own a NFA device then it IS illegal.

If that ain't making it illegal, I am not too sure what is.I don't think it's splitting hairs - it's putting the emphasis on what is important.

Think of it this way; to use your way of explaining the laws regarding ownership of silencers and apply them to cars would be to say,
"it's illegal to drive cars but not if you get a driver's license (or operate said vehicle under the supervision of a licensed driver.)"
The more common way of looking at it is to say that you must have a driver's license to legally drive a car, rather than stating that it's illegal to begin with.

The important thing here is that you can legally own silencers in many (but not all) states provided you go through the government regulated process of obtaining such permits. However (and I don't think you'll object to this) ownership without proper licensing/permits/tax stamps/etc is illegal.

[One_A]

Nice piece of hardware...but as sniper rifles go, I think I like the Mk11 better. Does the Troy M14 have full auto fire?

[Black Dots]

http://troyind.com/images/smpolicebig.jpg

Erection achieved.

This thing looks f*cking amazing.

I want one!

[Durandal]

It takes an average of 8 .308 rounds to bust through an 8" cinder block wall section...

I do really love the gun...even though I spent most of the thread bitching about off topic crap. :)

I just so damn sexy...in an ugly way.

[landshark]

Meanwhile we have some newbie jackass claiming a shorty M14 has less than a minute of accuracy at 800 yards.

I am reporting the manufacture’s guarantee. I made this post to contribute to the forum.

[SMGLee]

Some nice M14 configurations...

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/79b20b7d.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/bdb740f6.jpg

Wow, great pictures. Did you take them at the SHOT show? Are both of them (the two I "quoted" from you) Troy? I'm sure the bottom one is, but the top one looks different. :)

The top two pictures are pictures I took at the shot show this year that I was hosting on my pic server.

The brownish color setup is the stock system from Sage Int'l. The second picture is the Troy Ind.

Sage got the SOPMOD contract for the stock but Troy got the suppressor contract.

There is a need and purpose for the SOPMOD M14 other then the Mk11.

[rob]

Guys like "Maw" have trouble seeing that it’s a sniper rifle... I guess that guaranteed 1/2 M.O.A. and 850 yard effective range isn't good enough to be a sniper rifle.

Guys like you don't know when to shut up and listen.

To your unsupported illogical personal opinions? f*** you.

i think you need to listen more to chuck.

[maw]

landshark:
on the first page another member tried to point you in the right direction by referring you to the ebr program and you took it personally, the point is that troy didn't get the contract, the less exotic sage one did. probably because of the overlap with the mk11. it should by now be abundantly clear that the rifle being shown in this thread is NOT the same rifle used by nsw, but the title of the thread implies this.

next:
landshark wrote:
"Guys like "Maw" have trouble seeing that it’s a sniper rifle... I guess that guaranteed 1/2 M.O.A. and 850 yard effective range isn't good enough to be a sniper rifle."

guaranteed by whom? 14.5" bbl with a cold bore shooting 4.25" groups @ 850 yards guaranteed? this i have to see. it's snake oil. the 20" bbl on the mk11 is a state of the art acheivement. and again, the title of this thread is NSW SOPMOD M-14. the ebr is simply not capable of such accuracy.

then landshark wrote:
"I am reporting the manufacture’s guarantee. I made this post to contribute to the forum."

good intentions, but what you are in fact doing is spreading manufacturers marketing fluff. fluff is a zero value contribution to this forum.

Quote:
"Meanwhile we have some newbie jackass claiming a shorty M14 has less than a minute of accuracy at 800 yards."

that's a freakin classic!

SMGLee wrote:
"There is a need and purpose for the SOPMOD M14 other then the Mk11?"
within the teams? afaik, the mk11 is only issued to the individuals who've gone through sniper school.

btw, welcome smglee. i look forward to seeing to pics of your toys.

finally, if someone would be interested in hosting them, i've got a bunch of pictures of the mk11 from an armory, at school and on deployment.

[Some Guy]

Landtuna-
I think the responses to you have been pretty measured- You're the one talking about "retards", "pussies" with an occasional "**** you" thrown in. Anyways- We all know where you're coming from.

Maw-
Your breath and patience is wasted on this guy..
You see, Landtuna just met this smoking hot chick named "SOPMOD M14" at the club.. And he brought her back to the frat to show her off to the brothers.. but what's this? Some of the older, wiser brothers notice that "SOPMOD" has a kinda deep voice.. And an Adam's apple! And a 5 o'clock shadow! Maybe a few of them take him aside and point these things out.. but Landtuna ain't hearing it..
"No way dude! She's hot and you're jealous!"
Its cool man.. If "SOPMOD M14" has got you that hot and bothered, feel free to bring her around and show her off.. But you can't have thin skin when people say things about her.. and make sure you turn off the lights before you get in bed..

Also- Maw- www.pbase.com has free picture hosting and is pretty easy to use. Look forward to seeing your pics. esp. one w/ vertical grip installed..

[ChuckThunder]

finally, if someone would be interested in hosting them, i've got a bunch of pictures of the mk11 from an armory, at school and on deployment.

PM sent.

[maw]

i'll give pbase a try. it looks like it's only good for thirty days.

ct: copy.