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xav
06-18-2009, 07:31 AM
nteresting news coming from Detroit: Two official plans are being proposed to City Council to turn swaths of the city—we’re talking acres upon acres—into the world’s largest urban farms. Seems like a smart idea, but one that, to me, waves a red flag as well.

One proposal would bring a commercial farm to the city center, and be among the most ambitious urban farms we’ve ever heard of. The other would function similarly, but would train and employ former drug addicts, giving them work, earned income, and skills. A social venture of sorts. Great idea if it works, and if it’s a goal that’s honored. What I’ve seen, however, is that’s not always the case.

The other day, a writer proposed the idea that to rehab our cities, we need to think twice before we demolish abandoned buildings. I agree with him, but Detroit has faced pretty swift depopulation, with no signs that people are coming back any time soon. So I say if the buildings aren’t going to be used by anyone, sure, tear ‘em down and build a farm.

But what kind of farm? And who gets to work there?

Some community farms get this right. Look at the Red Hook Community Farm, where exceptional produce is harvested in a part of Brooklyn that’s hard to get to—or out of—without a lot of patience for the bus. That farm employs and trains locals, many from the large public housing project nearby. From what I understand, the guys at the Red Hook farm have done a spectacular job keeping up with both the farm and their commitment to locals.

Then there’s this one in Chicago, a stone’s throw (literally) from a massive housing project. A farmer had the idea to harvest on unused land, employ project kids, teach them how to grow fancy organic heirloom tomatoes, and then sell those tomatoes to chichi restaurants in the area. Most of that plan came to fruition—except the part where the jobs went to the project kids.

For the most part, the Chicago farm stopped training area kids shortly after it started. Why? The kids, I was told in an interview a few years back, were unreliable and hard to work with.

This raises an interesting problem: Person has good idea; wants to contribute job and training to communities in need; gets land cheap or free in bad neighborhood; hires kids with no previous work experience. Then, a few things can happen.

A) Perhaps well-thought-out training programs are in place to get the kids up to speed, teach necessary job skills, and motivate them to stick around. Some won’t work out, sure, but at least workers aren’t being set up to fail.

B) Another thing that can happen is that an employer quickly (perhaps understandably) gets frustrated with “unreliable” workers, doesn’t have the resources or inclination to build a learning curve into his business, and decides to bus in workers from “better” areas to do the work.

Here’s the thing, though. While purposefully creating jobs for low-income kids is certainly something I personally very much support, it only works if you’re legit. And if you just want to run a traditional business and hire the most experienced candidate available, go for it. That’s what most of the freaking country does. But don’t snatch up land for cheap pretending you’re running a social venture and then leave behind the very people you’re saying you want to help.

The good news is that there are examples Detroit can look to to get this right, whether they take the traditional business or social venture route. Here’s hoping they do.
http://www.good.is/post/turning-detroit-into-urban-farms-the-best-solution-for-everyone/

brainplay
06-18-2009, 01:58 PM
So does this mean the UAW will expand into the UFW?

SoftLion
06-18-2009, 02:00 PM
Throw some TARP money at it, see if it sticks. If not, hell, throw some more. Wait, did that work with GM?

Laworkerbee
06-18-2009, 03:08 PM
This raises an interesting problem: Person has good idea; wants to contribute job and training to communities in need; gets land cheap or free in bad neighborhood; hires kids with no previous work experience. Then, a few things can happen.

A) Perhaps well-thought-out training programs are in place to get the kids up to speed, teach necessary job skills, and motivate them to stick around. Some won’t work out, sure, but at least workers aren’t being set up to fail.

B) Another thing that can happen is that an employer quickly (perhaps understandably) gets frustrated with “unreliable” workers, doesn’t have the resources or inclination to build a learning curve into his business, and decides to bus in workers from “better” areas to do the work.

C) Hire illegal aliens, which is what probably will happen in the long run anyhow.

California Joe
06-18-2009, 03:29 PM
Most kids today, let alone urban kids in housing projects are unwilling to put in the kind of effort and hard work it takes to farm. Period. Up where I live in East Buttf*ck, Vermont there are still lots of small family farms. It's not an easy way to live. It is rewarding if done right but it ain't easy.

Ordie
06-18-2009, 03:37 PM
If the land can't be sold or developed, you might as well use it to grow your own food. Given times like these, I'm pleasantly happy that 'victory gardens' are making a comeback.

Perhaps encourage people to rediscover real food, and real cooking.

My neighbor has two chickens and gives me fresh eggs from time to time. In return, I give him some of my apples and peaches from my trees.

Podman
06-18-2009, 03:38 PM
Crazy thing is urban Detroit is turning into rural land on its own as people have fled the inner city. See this website:

http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=405

http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=287

Laworkerbee
06-18-2009, 03:39 PM
My neighbor has two chickens and gives me fresh eggs from time to time.

I had a Chinese neighbor, guy kept bringing chickens home. I reported his ass and the city seized them. p-)

Ordie
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Crazy thing is urban Detroit is turning into rural land on its own as people have fled the inner city. See this website:

http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=405

http://www.detroitblog.org/?p=287

Detroit is a donut city where the goods, services and jobs are located in the suburbs. Little activity in the middle.

Cities morph in times of boom and busts. Detroit is no different.

I think zoning ordnances should allow backyard farms as a means to reduce auto trips to the store and encourage healthly living with fresh produce.

As for local people not willing to do the work of picking produce. Many farms now allow pick your own produce. I've seen many families working the fields or orchards picking thier own food for the table.

Albatross
06-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Turn that entire joint into an Urban Training center for the US Military.

GoBlue95
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Turn that entire joint into an Urban Training center for the US Military.
muahahahaha hell ya!

XShipRider
06-18-2009, 05:20 PM
Did these urban farm planners take into consideration the cleanup necessary before it could become fertile, rich farmland? Some of the industrial areas probably have a few residual heavy metals, chemicals and such which would need old fashioned Superfund cleanup. Can't really go back to companies which have been out of business for 20-30 years looking for funding.

xav
06-18-2009, 05:33 PM
Did these urban farm planners take into consideration the cleanup necessary before it could become fertile, rich farmland? Some of the industrial areas probably have a few residual heavy metals, chemicals and such which would need old fashioned Superfund cleanup. Can't really go back to companies which have been out of business for 20-30 years looking for funding.

Let alone the typical oil leaked from car engines... that end up being flushed off the roads during rain and finish in the soil...

Good point Xship

edit: And despite all this, they would probably still qualify for the "organic food" label

Gleipnir
06-18-2009, 09:40 PM
Maybe they were inspired by the South Central farm? Surprised not to see it mentioned.

http://www.southcentralfarmers.com/

Oakland also has a few. (smaller scale)