Senate approves resolution apologizing for slavery...

[RxOnco]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/18/senate.slavery/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate on Thursday passed a resolution apologizing to African-Americans for the wrongs of slavery.
The nonbinding resolution sponsored by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, is similar to a House resolution adopted last year that acknowledged the wrongs of slavery but offered no reparations..."

I guess we can end affirmative action now. We said we're sorry.

[LineDoggie]

Silly me, I was under the Impression 110,000 Union Dead put paid that bill.

[Power_serj]

What a waste of time apologizing to people in the past. The Senate should waste more time deciding whether or not we should apologize to the Native Americans for stealing their land. The Senate really has nothing else they have to worry about, everything else is nice and dandy.





GET TO WORK CONGRESS AND STOP THE LOLLIGAGING!

[tea drinker]

but offered no reparations..."
What would people expect? Perhaps we whites should ask for reparations for being ethnically cleansed from Africa, or ask for some land - just to call our own.
Will the African and Muslim slave traders own up to their part? Even Irish were traded as slaves by them. They seem quiet, why is that now?

As regards this Senate apology - it's a good move, and not before time.
But we all have to get on and get over things too.

[XShipRider]

... is similar to a House resolution adopted last year that acknowledged the wrongs of slavery but offered no reparations...



... yet! Baby steps. Class action or worse to follow.

[3rdMillhouse]

I believe psychologists should looks deeply into this, new, behavioral disturbance known as "white man's guilt" that seems to be plaguing millions around the globe.

[okiebugg]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/18/senate.slavery/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate on Thursday passed a resolution apologizing to African-Americans for the wrongs of slavery.
The nonbinding resolution sponsored by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, is similar to a House resolution adopted last year that acknowledged the wrongs of slavery but offered no reparations..."

I guess we can end affirmative action now. We said we're sorry.

When will the Congress begin apologizing and paying reparations for wars fought in the past, or feelings hurt a la Obama. It would be a miracle for affirmative action to stop.

[click]

Silly me, I was under the Impression 110,000 Union Dead put paid that bill.

Strange. Thats what I thought as well.

[Hot Lips]

Silly me, I was under the Impression 110,000 Union Dead paid that bill.

Which represented only some American's back then (and today apparently). Nor was it just in regards to slavery. Nor was it just for "people in the past" as these things impacted people who are still alive as well as their families.


Harkin's resolution "acknowledges the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality and inhumanity of slavery, and Jim Crow laws," and "apologizes to African-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow laws."

Jim Crow laws were state and local laws enacted mostly in U.S. Southern and border states between the 1870s and 1965 that denied African-Americans the right to vote and other civil liberties, as well as legally segregated them from whites.

I'm quite certain many of the folks who whine about this stuff wouldn't want to spend as long under the same conditions along with their family and decendents. Just look how the country approaching more balance and equality puts some on edge. Just image if they actually were as victimized as some of the comments online convey.

[CG51]

I know right. Lets wait for Egypt and to apologize for 5000 years of Jews kept in slavery. Jews should get a cut of all the money that the pyramids take in each year seeing how they built them.

[Bombtrack]

I know right. Lets wait for Egypt and to apologize for 5000 years of Jews kept in slavery. Jews should get a cut of all the money that the pyramids take in each year seeing how they built them.

That's a tired myth, the pyramids were built by seasonal Egyptian labourers during the farming off-season.

[Hot Lips]

Kirk Douglas Victorious in Push for Slavery Apology



Following a long campaign by actor Kirk Douglas (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Kirk+Douglas&CATEGORY=PERSON), the Senate today passed a formal apology for slavery.


The 92-year-old film icon, who played a slave in 1960's 'Spartacus,' has been asking Congress for a formal apology for slavery for years, including collecting signatures on his MySpace (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=MySpace+Inc.&CATEGORY=COMPANY) page.

In April, Douglas wrote on his MySpace page: "As I told you quite some time ago, in my last book Let's Face It, I wrote about the importance of our country showing the world that we are capable of humility by making an apology for our behavior towards African-Americans before and after the Civil War. I think this action is more important right now."
Continue reading... (http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/06/75452/index.html)

[CG51]

That's a tired myth, the pyramids were built by seasonal Egyptian labourers during the farming off-season.

So Egypt never has Jewish slaves, ever?

[Skutatos]

So Egypt never has Jewish slaves, ever?

There is some evidence of indentured servitude, but not of slavery.

[XShipRider]

Gee, this makes everything right with the world. Group hug.

[PeterRJG]

The US Senate must've been turned on by Kevin Rudd of Australia's apology to the Aboriginals for all wrongs, real and imagined.

So Egypt never has Jewish slaves, ever?

No real evidence for it, apart from some wall paintings which allegedly portray Israelites marched into Egypt. The Old Testament is the main source, and it's not taken as believable history by many.

[CG51]

Cool, good to know the Jews have never suffered.

Hey, what about the Chinese that built this country's infrastructure, namely the railroad. They kinda remain silent. Want no apology or restitution. Interesting.

[Kit]

What do apologies do? Apologies for actions that are more than a century or two old? I'm not saying slavery was not a big deal, but this apologizing thing seems silly.

[Panchito12]

When is the US GOV going to apologize to me for coupling my family and myself to this silly stuff? We never had any slaves during any time in our family's history (no $$). So I want an apology!!

[redhawk_six]

Good lord you people need to take a god damn chill pill. Seriously, stressing and making an issue over every little thing is going to put you in an early grave. So they passed a resolution and made a formal apology for wrongs committed in the past, why is that such a huge deal to everyone here? Seriously, did your life get worse because the senate issued an apology? No? Then why the hell do we have 2 pages of people bitching about it.

[DRA]

http://mechanicalicon.com/1968BlackPowerSaluteSmall.jpg

[PeterRJG]

^^^

The guy on the left, Peter Norman, was pilloried by the Australian sporting community for defending these two American athletes.

[GROUND WAVE]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/18/senate.slavery/index.html

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate on Thursday passed a resolution apologizing to African-Americans for the wrongs of slavery.
The nonbinding resolution sponsored by Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, is similar to a House resolution adopted last year that acknowledged the wrongs of slavery but offered no reparations..."

I guess we can end affirmative action now. We said we're sorry.

We owe more than an apalogy/Afirmative-Action to black Americans this nation would not be what it is had it not been for that forced labor on them, so your "sorry" is racist and stupid.

[PeterRJG]

We owe more than an apalogy/A-action to black Americans this nation would not be what it is had it not been for that forced labor on them, so your "sorry" is racist and stupid.

Considering nobody is alive that is responsible or involved in the slavery issue, who does white America apologise to? The great-great-great grandchildren of slaves? All of the guilty people (and their beliefs and mindsets) are long dead.

[Bombtrack]

Good lord you people need to take a god damn chill pill. Seriously, stressing and making an issue over every little thing is going to put you in an early grave. So they passed a resolution and made a formal apology for wrongs committed in the past, why is that such a huge deal to everyone here? Seriously, did your life get worse because the senate issued an apology? No? Then why the hell do we have 2 pages of people bitching about it.

QFT


^^^

The guy on the left, Peter Norman, was pilloried by the Australian sporting community for defending these two American athletes.

he lent them those gloves IIRC. Interesting man.

[Proudgrandson]

Apologise away, now reflect on the fact that in this day and age there are still slave raids going on, there are still people being held in Slavery, there are even in Western nations people being exploited by people trafficers, forced to work for nothing in sweat shops and in brothels.

I'm sorry, there ya go...Though my family owned no ships, and did not serve as crew on any transatlantic slave ship. I do know however and am proud of the central role the Royal Navy took in supressing the trade.

America paid a price for slavery as expressed by Abraham Lincoln...'Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

After the civil war it allowed segregation. Thats over. Is not the most central and important thing now to complete the suppression of the trade!

[SpeedyHedgehog]

We owe more than an apalogy/A-action to black Americans this nation would not be what it is had it not been for that forced labor on them, so your "sorry" is racist and stupid.
I've been reviewing your post history and I have just one question. Do you have a committee of retards who formulate your posts, or do you come up with them all by yourself?

[LineDoggie]

We owe more than an apalogy/A-action to black Americans this nation would not be what it is had it not been for that forced labor on them, so your "sorry" is racist and stupid.

RACIST?

110,000 Union Soldiers and Sailors died for them. God knows how many Wounded, & Maimed for Life. Both of my Great Grandfathers fought from Bull Run to Fredricksburg, one invalided there, the other went onto Appomattox. They never owned another Human Being. They were treated like **** because they were thought of as Micks right off the boat(even though their fathers arrived many years before that). Why should My Family be in on an Apology for a Wrong we not only didnt commit but shed their Blood to Correct? Most Americans living now come from Immigrant stock that arrived Post Civil War and also never owned another Human Being.

Your an Imbecile

[Proudgrandson]

RACIST?

110,000 Union Soldiers and Sailors died for them. God knows how many Wounded, & Maimed for Life. Both of my Great Grandfathers fought from Bull Run to Fredricksburg, one invalided there, the other went onto Appomattox. They never owned another Human Being. They were treated like **** because they were thought of as Micks right off the boat(even though their fathers arrived many years before that). Why should My Family be in on an Apology for a Wrong we didnt commit? Most Americans living now come from Immigrant stock that arrived Post Civil War and also never owned another Human Being.

Your an Imbecile

Absolutely, plus don't forget on top of the 110000 battle fatalities, 250000 more deaths from disease of men enlisted on the Union side. Total: 360222.

[brainplay]

Good lord you people need to take a god damn chill pill. Seriously, stressing and making an issue over every little thing is going to put you in an early grave. So they passed a resolution and made a formal apology for wrongs committed in the past, why is that such a huge deal to everyone here? Seriously, did your life get worse because the senate issued an apology? No? Then why the hell do we have 2 pages of people bitching about it.

Well, see the problem is that the United States is made up of ALOT of different races and generations. Many of whom had nothing to do with slavery and many who fought against it both through combat and civil action.

Second, the issue apology is usually followed by "reparations". These are often viewed negatively by various citizens for the same reasons above. Note some forms of reparations come from taxpayer dollars, not companies who profited from such actions. Other forms include preferential treatment or special dispensations. Once again this is not helping the "equality" cause but rather harming it.

Third, apologies set precedent for every single action that was acceptable then but not by today's morals and standards. At some point we'll be issuing apologies to the Japanese for nukes, the Germans for changing frankfurters into "hot dogs", the Vietnamese for the war, the Iraqi's for taking away their wonderful leader, and for some other things that will eventually pop up that my future kids will be too busy to care about.

We remember these ancient things through the history we teach. Not the apologies given.


110,000 Union Soldiers and Sailors died for them.

Sorta yes, sorta no. Robert E. Lee had proposed offering emancipation in exchange for service but was rejected at the last minute by Congress. Lincoln approved the idea first but was not exactly happy about it. His diary notes on the subject are.....interesting.


he lent them those gloves IIRC. Interesting man.

Take a look at the button they are all wearing as well.

[GROUND WAVE]

Considering nobody is alive that is responsible or involved in the slavery issue, who does white America apologise to? The great-great-great grandchildren of slaves? All of the guilty people (and their beliefs and mindsets) are long dead.

Black americans are not given loans like we white americans in order to keep them un-economicaly powerful, they were given siffulis by the army, they were made sure not to be able to buy guns RIGHT after slavery (1866) all the "cotton" products being worn/used by white people from 1619-1865 (it's actually throughout the yearly parts of the 20th century but for arguments sake we'll keep it at 1865) is because of them there's much more they did that built up U.S.A.

[LineDoggie]

1. It's Syphilis
2. No one in the US army gave it to them. What happened was those men had already contracted the disease and werent told they had it or treated for it.
3. It was the US Public Health Service which conducted the study through the Tuskegee Institute.

4. The Tuskegee study involved a group of 399 black men suffering from syphilis, who were part of a study by the Public Health Service between 1932 and 1972. The men were told that they had "bad blood," and were not treated for syphilis, even after penicillin became widely available in 1947


So right off the bat, you have no freaking clue what your talking about

[SpeedyHedgehog]

Black americans are not given loans like we white americans in order to keep them un-economicaly powerful, they were given siffulis by the army, they were made sure not to be able to buy guns RIGHT after slavery (1866) all the "cotton" products being worn/used by white people from 1619-1865 (it's actually throughout the yearly parts of the 20th century but for arguments sake we'll keep it at 1865) is because of them there's much more they did that built up U.S.A.
Why don't you use some of those "loans like we white americans" get for some fvcking literacy classes :roll:.

[Holmes85]

So far this administration has apologized for American actions in WWII, and now this. So here's the question, who's next on the American List for Apologies?

[PeterRJG]

So far this administration has apologized for American actions in WWII, and now this. So here's the question, who's next on the American List for Apologies?

Using nukes on Japan, invasion of Grenada, landing at Normandy in 1944 (wrecked the French countryside, remember?)...

[Nuclear_Warrior]

Black americans are not given loans like we white americans in order to keep them un-economicaly powerful, they were given siffulis by the army, they were made sure not to be able to buy guns RIGHT after slavery (1866) all the "cotton" products being worn/used by white people from 1619-1865 (it's actually throughout the yearly parts of the 20th century but for arguments sake we'll keep it at 1865) is because of them there's much more they did that built up U.S.A.

You are either extremely stupid or I don't know. White americans (at least here in South Florida) don't ask for economic help, while blacks are always looking for economic help and finding flaws in the system for their benefit, I have seen, yes seen, blacks with mercedes benz, cadillacs, and so on living in luxurious house receiving food stamps. Do you think that's fair? I don't think so, at the end of the day they should be thankful that they are not in the ****hole that africa is, at least that's what I think. The 'government' should apologise to the native americans, and again that's my opinion.

[Holmes85]

Using nukes on Japan, invasion of Grenada, landing at Normandy in 1944 (wrecked the French countryside, remember?)...

Oh yeah, did America ever replant those hedgerows in France after the war.

[LineDoggie]

And another thing, It wasnt just Blacks, (Either as Slaves or once Emancipated) who only built this country up.

Chinese, Indians, Germans, Scots, Italians, Irish,Blacks, Mexicans etc. all worked their asses off for little monetary reward for their labors.

[Holmes85]

Just think about how many drinking stereotypes there were about Germans.

[GROUND WAVE]

RACIST?

110,000 Union Soldiers and Sailors died for them. God knows how many Wounded, & Maimed for Life. Both of my Great Grandfathers fought from Bull Run to Fredricksburg, one invalided there, the other went onto Appomattox. They never owned another Human Being. They were treated like **** because they were thought of as Micks right off the boat(even though their fathers arrived many years before that). Why should My Family be in on an Apology for a Wrong we not only didnt commit but shed their Blood to Correct? Most Americans living now come from Immigrant stock that arrived Post Civil War and also never owned another Human Being.

Your an Imbecile

HAHAHA!!!!

How are you man??!!

You've got to be kidding MMMEEE!!!!!!!

Those 110k soilders died because this person called "The President Of The United States" ordered them to fight, NOT because 600k Union soilders wrote to the President saying "we want slavery to stop."

[23EightySix]

We owe more than an apalogy/Afirmative-Action to black Americans this nation would not be what it is had it not been for that forced labor on them, so your "sorry" is racist and stupid.

We? Who is we? That certainly doesnt include me.

Both sides of my family were too busy fleeing the scorched earth of Europe in 1918 with nothing but a suitcase filled with silverware. If anything I "owe" the Dutch or Hungarian enclaves for helping us integrate into the Civil structure of Paterson NJ, of which my family served for many decades. You know, the city that African Americans later destroyed? So I guess African Americans owe me?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Just look how the country approaching more balance and equality puts some on edge.

Is that what we're approaching? Funny, from here it looks like one of those fake tunnels that Wile E. Coyote paints on the cliff walls.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

There is some evidence of indentured servitude, but not of slavery.

All nations had foreign slaves back then, so the idea that Egypt had Jewish slaves is entirely likely.

However, they did not build the Pyramids. The book of Exodus says Jewish slaves were used to build the cities of Pithon and Rameses.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

So far this administration has apologized for American actions in WWII, and now this. So here's the question, who's next on the American List for Apologies?

Well let's see, he's already apologized for Americans being too arrogant to appreciate Europe, for America being unreasonably mean to Muslims, for having the effrontery to fight the War on Terror, for abandoning our values and running a torture chamber at Gitmo (several times), for being dictatorial and neglecting our neighbors in the Americas, for our forefathers treatment of Native Americans (and of blacks as well) - so who cares if the Democrats in the Senate jump on the bandwagon. I'm sure that just like Obama and his missus, it's because of their deep and abiding love of our great nation. I'm not sure exactly what about it he has found to love, since everything we are today is apparently the result of some unforgivable inequity committed in the past.

Congress writes the checks, so I have no doubt that eventually we'll be made to pay for votes, oh I mean slavery. I look forward to joining the ranks of the world's great Equitable Mediocracies.

/rant off

[LineDoggie]

HAHAHA!!!!

How are you man??!!

You've got to be kidding MMMEEE!!!!!!!

Those 110k soilders died because this person called "The President Of The United States" ordered them to fight, NOT because 600k Union soilders wrote to the President saying "we want slavery to stop."
Special Education?

Your barely Literate, you do understand that, correct?

It's Soldiers for one thing, not soilders

[Holmes85]

HAHAHA!!!!

How are you man??!!

You've got to be kidding MMMEEE!!!!!!!

Those 110k soilders died because this person called "The President Of The United States" ordered them to fight, NOT because 600k Union soilders wrote to the President saying "we want slavery to stop."

You should also remember that Lincoln was killed as direct result of the war.

[Johnny_H02]

Silly me, I was under the Impression 110,000 Union Dead put paid that bill.
/realtalk

Seriously, what more can be possibly said?

[SkyUS]

I am not much into bringing back old ghosts from the past. Surly apologizing for slavery is a nice gesture. That's about it. I don't understand what you people are getting your knickers in a twist. It's not like they will demand repartitions.

I came to the US in 2002, do I feel like I owe an apology. Nope. Does this make me angry . Not the slightest.

[redhawk_six]

Jesus christ, 3 pages of bitching now!? It's a god damn freaking apology, it's not going to ruin america. For christ sake, chill out, not everything is the big bad evil leftists trying to ruin the country.

[Hot Lips]

- so who cares if the Democrats in the Senate jump on the bandwagon.

So it was passed "unanimously" only by the Democrats in the Senate to hop on Obama's bandwagon? Interesting.


"It doesn't fix everything, but it does go a long way toward acknowledgment and moving us on to the next steps to building a more perfect union, doing the things that Martin Luther King would talk about, like building a colorblind society," said Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.).

[Albatross]

mark my words, political correctness will kill this country.

[GROUND WAVE]

You are either extremely stupid or I don't know. White americans (at least here in South Florida) don't ask for economic help, while blacks are always looking for economic help and finding flaws in the system for their benefit, I have seen, yes seen, blacks with mercedes benz, cadillacs, and so on living in luxurious house receiving food stamps. Do you think that's fair? I don't think so, at the end of the day they should be thankful that they are not in the ****hole that africa is, at least that's what I think. The 'government' should apologise to the native americans, and again that's my opinion.

They deserve the food stamps and more and we have nothing to complain about, it's because of people like God will punish our nation with nuclear destruction in the WW3, you can choose to deny it but it's coming for all the evils comitted by us whites against Blacks/Native Americans in our attempt to build this powerful country.

[GROUND WAVE]

You should also remember that Lincoln was killed as direct result of the war.

And your point is what??
haha!!

[rhino]

They deserve the food stamps and more and we have nothing to complain about, it's because of people like God will punish our nation with nuclear destruction in the WW3, you can choose to deny it but it's coming for all the evils comitted by us whites against Blacks/Native Americans in our attempt to build this powerful country.


wow, school is out early this year

[GROUND WAVE]

Special Education?

Your barely Literate, you do understand that, correct?

It's Soldiers for one thing, not soilders

So because I misspelled "solder" means the Union SOLDERS told the President they wanted slavery to stop according to you right??
HAHAHA dumb a%#!!

[Holmes85]

wow, school is out early this year


But what kind of school is my question.

[Albatross]

They deserve the food stamps and more and we have nothing to complain about, it's because of people like God will punish our nation with nuclear destruction in the WW3, you can choose to deny it but it's coming for all the evils comitted by us whites against Blacks/Native Americans in our attempt to build this powerful country.

You are an ignorant ****tard that should be beaten. The fact that people are welching off the government has nothing to do with skin color. You live around blacks that welch, I assure you that if you go to the mountains in Kentucky there will be plenty of white trash pogues too. Now, GTFO and go get a god damn education.

[Holmes85]

So because I misspelled "solder" means the Union SOLDERS told the President they wanted slavery to stop according to you right??
HAHAHA dumb a%#!!

No it means people won't usually take one seriously if they have poor grammar.

[GROUND WAVE]

We? Who is we? That certainly doesnt include me.

Both sides of my family were too busy fleeing the scorched earth of Europe in 1918 with nothing but a suitcase filled with silverware. If anything I "owe" the Dutch or Hungarian enclaves for helping us integrate into the Civil structure of Paterson NJ, of which my family served for many decades. You know, the city that African Americans later destroyed? So I guess African Americans owe me?

That SMALL destruction is nothing compared to them being forced to build the economy of this nation and damn well know.
P.S. your parents don't have slavery on thier hands scince they're from Europe.

[Holmes85]

P.S. your parents don't have slavery on thier hands scince they're from Europe.

But aren't most Americans European immigrants. Your contradicting yourself.

[SoftLion]

Those 110k soilders...

So because I misspelled "solder"...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo165/drillinGP/doublefacepalm.jpg

[Holmes85]

I know, I'm doing the same thing right now. :cantbeli:

[Albatross]

That SMALL destruction is nothing compared to them being forced to build the economy of this nation and damn well know.
P.S. your parents don't have slavery on thier hands scince they're from Europe.

Every civilization in recorded time has a history of slavery, either enslaving or being enslaved........idiot.

[DaveDash]

Has the Italian government apologized yet for enslaving a quarter of western europe, north africa, asia minor, and parts of the middle east?

Those French/Spanish/British people in particular seemed to have been heavily disadvantaged by slavery and having their land stolen!!!

;)

[SoftLion]

Ok - if its a non-issue, then apologize away - in fact, since there isn't anything else currently needing attention in our thriving capitalistic democracy, we need a resolution so we can make one apology each week until our collective society can sleep soundly each night.

And if I did want to feel guilty for something I didn't do, I would start with the Native Americans.

[SpeedyHedgehog]

That SMALL destruction is nothing compared to them being forced to build the economy of this nation and damn well know.
P.S. your parents don't have slavery on thier hands scince they're from Europe.
First of all, the industrial revolution was what made this country what it is today. If we'd maintained an agricultural economy like the South had prior to, and during, the Civil War we'd now be known for great cigarettes and soft cotton jeans, and that's about it. Reliance on an agricultural economy supported by slavery was one of the main reasons the South lost the Civil War.

Second of all, you're a monumental moron who should be ground into a fine powder, then sprinkled over the pubic areas of those afflicted with crabs. Now STFU.

[GROUND WAVE]

1. It's Syphilis
2. No one in the US army gave it to them. What happened was those men had already contracted the disease and werent told they had it or treated for it.
3. It was the US Public Health Service which conducted the study through the Tuskegee Institute.

4. The Tuskegee study involved a group of 399 black men suffering from syphilis, who were part of a study by the Public Health Service between 1932 and 1972. The men were told that they had "bad blood," and were not treated for syphilis, even after penicillin became widely available in 1947


So right off the bat, you have no freaking clue what your talking about

All in All my basic point was it (Tuskegee Exp) was done out of racism which President Clinton admits here= http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/05/16
So YOU don't know what YOUR talking about you dumb son of a B#@

[DaveDash]

Second of all, you're a monumental moron who should be ground into a fine powder, then sprinkled over the pubic areas of those afflicted with crabs. Now STFU.

rofl

Bravo!

[GROUND WAVE]

Every civilization in recorded time has a history of slavery, either enslaving or being enslaved........idiot.

NO HISTORY OF ANY NATION of the world has EVER took 12 MILLION people 5k miles as SLAVES
PROOVE ME WRONG LITTLE BOY!!!!!!

[LineDoggie]

So because I misspelled "solder" means the Union SOLDERS told the President they wanted slavery to stop according to you right??
HAHAHA dumb a%#!!

No, it's because you come off as a moron, spouting total bull****, like the Army gave Black Men Syphilis, and you dont have the brain cells to figure out you are wrong.


And again, it's Soldier, not Soilder, not Solder, Not Solider, if you cant even get that right, what do you get right?

http://www.adultliteracy.org/ try them, you desperately need their Help.


HAHA, enjoy night shift at White Castles..........:roll:

[LineDoggie]

All in All my basic point was it (Tuskegee Exp) was done out of racism which President Clinton admits here= http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/05/16
So YOU don't know what YOUR talking about you dumb son of a B#@ (B#@)
No the Dumb SOB was your Parental unit which refused Oral that night of your conception.:)

[redhawk_six]

Blah Blah Blah


Blah Blah Blah

Congrats, you two are the biggest tools in this thread.

Now can we lock this damn thing up please, it's a god damn apology on a god damn peice of paper, how about a little freakin persecptive people!

[GROUND WAVE]

First of all, the industrial revolution was what made this country what it is today. If we'd maintained an agricultural economy like the South had prior to, and during, the Civil War we'd now be known for great cigarettes and soft cotton jeans, and that's about it. Reliance on an agricultural economy supported by slavery was one of the main reasons the South lost the Civil War.

Second of all, you're a monumental moron who should be ground into a fine powder, then sprinkled over the pubic areas of those afflicted with crabs. Now STFU.

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.

[Holmes85]

Congrats, you two are the biggest tools in this thread.

Now can we lock this damn thing up please, it's a god damn apology on a god damn peice of paper, how about a little freakin persecptive people!


I Second that Motion. We have idiots crawling out of the woodwork here.

[SoftLion]

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.

This is great, more please. But keep it clean so Webster's can use it for their "Run-on Sentence" tutorial.

I suppose they could also use this for their "pessimistic opinion" definition. Now go hit the bathroom and snap one off to your "Caps Lock" button.

[SpeedyHedgehog]

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.
Wow, what insight. Excuse me while I remove the top of my skull, scoop out all of the brain matter related to common sense, knowledge and experience, and replace it with the mush you just posted.

[LineDoggie]

Wow, what insight. Excuse me while I remove the top of my skull, scoop out all of the brain matter related to common sense, knowledge and experience, and replace it with the mush you just posted.
Forget him, he's obviously a lunatic.

[Holmes85]

On a scale of 1 to 10, I wonder how crazy he is?

[SpeedyHedgehog]

Forget him, he's obviously a lunatic.


On a scale of 1 to 10, I wonder how crazy he is?
Maybe that's why his writing is so bad. It must be a bitch typing with one of those straitjackets on p-).

[T-5 Killer]

On a scale of 1 to 10, I wonder how crazy he is?

11 is my guess p-)

[DaveDash]

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7131/goodone9qxjpg.gif

[oldsoak]

Not sure why the US senate is apologising for something that happened years ago and no living American is guilty of. IMHO, I'd find it a little galling if someone made an apology on my behalf for something I didnt do or would never sanction, because it implies I did do it and I did santion it. If my ancestors got killed trying to right that wrong, I'd feel I needed an apology as well or at least a nice thank-you.
If I am born into a nation that benefited from slavery but no longer practices it, how is that my fault or on my concience ?
Anyway, the most effective apology is in laws and a culture that teaches the equality of individuals regardless of their race - which if I am not mistaken is something thats been around a little while in the US.

[SoftLion]

To get back somewhat on topic, is anyone aware of the proposed language of this apology? Feel free to offer up fitting suggestions.

[CMNot]

My bad.321321321

[PeterRJG]

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.

Dude, you sound like a cross between a back street preacher and Darth Vader with that bs. Quit while you're ahead.

[welshmann]

Groundwave,you need to take that spud off your shoulder.

[Pigdog]

NO HISTORY OF ANY NATION of the world has EVER took 12 MILLION people 5k miles as SLAVES
PROOVE ME WRONG LITTLE BOY!!!!!!

And you're attributing that 12 million to the US, is that right? I'd be interested in seeing you prOOve that considering how only around that many were even brought to the America's and most of them ended up in Brazil and mainly Spanish colonies. Maybe I'm wrong.

By the way, If a person is enslaved by someone of the same race and isn't taken across an ocean is it equally as shameful?



P.S. your parents don't have slavery on thier hands scince they're from Europe.

rofl

[Proudgrandson]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/05/090528_slavery_wt_sl.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8047960.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/slavery/modern/modern_2.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6244869.stm


On topic, just some examples of slavery now, couldn't find one about the Sudan but there they still hold to the old practices. Take a christian or animist and work them as a slave is no 'sin' so long as you convert them to Islam.

Arn't there more urgent things to do that apologise for what happened in the past. There are people being held in 'slavery' in the UK now, what about America?

[CMNot]

I shouldn't really bless Ground Wave with a dignified response. So I won't.

Yes, slavery was bad. This we have now established. Worse things were to come. I'd suggest you google 'debt peonage' and start there. Just be thankful there were 2 world wars or Afro-Americans would still be utterly, utterly ****ed.

On the subject of research, can I suggest THAT YOU ACTUALLY ****ING DO SOME?

1 in 10 slaves died during cross Atlantic transportation. 1 in 10 of the slaves being moved by Imperial Muslim empires survived their ordeal, before an arguably worse life at the hands of buggery and soddomy. If you're as short on math analysis as on history analysis; that's 9 in 10. Oh to be a concubine.

Recalibrate your anger. Your knowledge of the slave trade and history appears to be non-existent, apologist, rubbish. Evil is may be, but holding the West to account solely because it is further advanced than anywhere else will achieve little. Strange how the Eastern nations, far more prolific in their use (in both scope and longevity), get a free pass on abhorrent behaviour.

[CG51]

DON'T WORRY I CAN ASSURE YOU OUR NATION WILL BE THE ONE GROUND FAR BEYOND POWDER IN WW3 for the sins of it's rise to power, now go back being a typical white American telling your self the blacks chose to come here worked for free then decided to stop working for free in 1865 and then decided to live in ghetto's selling dope to each other, build liquor stores on almost EVERY single block, yea it's the blacks who did this.

MORON ALERT!!! MORON ALERT!!!

Stick to slinging crack on the corner yo, that's the only way you will make it in life.

[Bombtrack]

You are either extremely stupid or I don't know. White americans (at least here in South Florida) don't ask for economic help, while blacks are always looking for economic help and finding flaws in the system for their benefit, I have seen, yes seen, blacks with mercedes benz, cadillacs, and so on living in luxurious house receiving food stamps. Do you think that's fair? I don't think so, at the end of the day they should be thankful that they are not in the ****hole that africa is, at least that's what I think. The 'government' should apologise to the native americans, and again that's my opinion.

Yeah GROUND WAVE is a complete retard, but why is it that everyone in this thread but redhawk didn't seem to care about this ****'s rant?

[matthew.manhorn]

I believe psychologists should looks deeply into this, new, behavioral disturbance known as "white man's guilt" that seems to be plaguing millions around the globe.

It's not a psychological issue! Don't you know that the Jews are responsible for the "white man's guilt"? *sarcasm*

[okiebugg]

It's not a psychological issue! Don't you know that the Jews are responsible for the "white man's guilt"? *sarcasm*

I have no guilt when it comes to apologizing for this b***s***. We had blacks on our property in So. Louisiana when I was a small child. I was practically raised by a black woman who either was employed or had some other arrangement with my Grandpa, "They" were provided with all of their wants and wishes and a small dispensation in exchange for work on our estate. "They" were treated better than many free people today.

I have no guilt because of this.

My problem is frustration that this ethnic group perpetuates its worth by forcing white guilt upon me.

[Nuclear_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Nuclear_Warrior http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4209313#post4209313)
Blah Blah Blah



Congrats, you two are the biggest tools in this thread.

Now can we lock this damn thing up please, it's a god damn apology on a god damn peice of paper, how about a little freakin persecptive people!

Eh what? when did I say that?

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

The state legislature of my state (North Carolina) apologized for slavery a while back. I thought, "at least that will shut some people up."

The next day, there was a letter to the editor in the paper calling for the state to apologize for the treatment of Native Americans throughout its history:roll:

There's really no end to digging up historical injustices.

[RxOnco]

Megaraptor;4210056']...There's really no end to digging up historical injustices.

That's why we shouldn't be appologizing in the first place. It's history...it's in the past...now let's move on.
Long before I came along, my family owned slaves. Do I think it was wrong? Of course. Do I feel I need to appologize to anyone for it? Absolutely not.

[redhawk_six]

Eh what? when did I say that?

I removed your words when I quoted you because I didn't want to repeat your racist bull. Tool.

[Nuclear_Warrior]

I removed your words when I quoted you because I didn't want to repeat your racist bull. Tool.

I'm sorry if it sounded racist, that was not my idea. I was just giving my opinion that all, and I also shouldn't have generalize by saying 'all', it won't happen again.

[Proudgrandson]

Sorry if I'm annoying anyone by butting in with links like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa

[2Sheds_Jackson]

So it was passed "unanimously" only by the Democrats in the Senate to hop on Obama's bandwagon? Interesting.

This is a political exercise and we both know that the mean old non-inclusive white male dominated Republicans couldn't afford to vote "no". They're the colonial oppressors, remember?

Harkin from Iowa (D) has been pushing for this for a decade, the bill was sponsored by Cohen from Tennessee (D) and it was whipped up with the help of a Harvard law professor.

The only ray of hope I see here is that the opposition at least managed to get language put into the bill specifying that the apology can't be used to give any standing to future claims for reparations. But we know how that goes. Income tax wasn't supposed to be permanent either but once somebody smells money...

[Narvaresearch]

As long as it didn't take up too much of their time writing it, I don't see what the problem is. The black people living today may not have lived during slavery, but they do know a thing or two about segregation.

Honestly speaking we left the black slaves in horrible positions when slavery ended. No doubt we've made great strides though (look at our president). I just don't see how formally apologizing can hurt anyone, especially when there are no reparations involved (which I agree, there shouldn't be).

[Narvaresearch]

That's why we shouldn't be appologizing in the first place. It's history...it's in the past...now let's move on.
Long before I came along, my family owned slaves. Do I think it was wrong? Of course. Do I feel I need to appologize to anyone for it? Absolutely not.

Yeah we'll just forget slavery and cleansing of entire races like the holocaust. Good idea.:bash:

Oh wait, I don't see you guys complaining about all the holocaust museums everywhere? And the constant beating in your head that "The Germans are evil!"

[RxOnco]

Yeah we'll just forget slavery and cleansing of entire races like the holocaust. Good idea.:bash:

Oh wait, I don't see you guys complaining about all the holocaust museums everywhere? And the constant beating in your head that "The Germans are evil!"


Where in my post, which you quoted, did I say that we should "forget slavery and cleansing of entire races?"

Holocaust museums are just that...museums. Now, if you want to build a museum dedicated to memorizing the trials and tribulations of blacks in the Civil War era...knock yourself out.

I don't think the Germans are evil. Maybe you...but not me. I also don't think that the Germans need to appologize for the evils which Hitler brought about. They've done enough of that already.

[Proudgrandson]

Modern slavery
Although slave ownership by private individuals and businesses has been illegal in the United States since 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution specifically exempts the judiciary, permitting the enslavement of individuals "as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted".
The United States Department of Labor (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Labor) occasionally prosecutes cases against people for false imprisonment (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/False_imprisonment) and involuntary servitude (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Involuntary_servitude). These cases often involve illegal immigrants (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Illegal_immigrants) who are forced to work as slaves in factories to pay off a debt claimed by the people who transported them into the United States. Other cases have involved domestic workers (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Domestic_worker).[121] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-120)
The New York Times, ABC News, and The San Francisco Chronicle, among others, have reported on child and teenage ****** slavery (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/******_slavery) in the United States. There are also reports on children working in organized criminal businesses and in legitimate businesses under both human and inhuman conditions.
In 2002, the U.S. Department of State (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State) repeated an earlier CIA (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/CIA) estimate that each year, about 50,000 women and children are brought against their will to the United States for ****** exploitation. Former Secretary of State (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State) Colin Powell (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Colin_Powell) said that "Here and abroad, the victims of trafficking toil under inhuman conditions -- in brothels, sweatshops, fields and even in private homes."

................

And now after leaving that lying around in mid thread I'll say no more.

[RxOnco]

Sorry if I'm annoying anyone by butting in with links like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa


Modern slavery
Although slave ownership by private individuals and businesses has been illegal in the United States since 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution specifically exempts the judiciary, permitting the enslavement of individuals "as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted".
The United States Department of Labor (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Labor) occasionally prosecutes cases against people for false imprisonment (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/False_imprisonment) and involuntary servitude (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Involuntary_servitude). These cases often involve illegal immigrants (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Illegal_immigrants) who are forced to work as slaves in factories to pay off a debt claimed by the people who transported them into the United States. Other cases have involved domestic workers (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Domestic_worker).[121] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-120)
The New York Times, ABC News, and The San Francisco Chronicle, among others, have reported on child and teenage ****** slavery (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/******_slavery) in the United States. There are also reports on children working in organized criminal businesses and in legitimate businesses under both human and inhuman conditions.
In 2002, the U.S. Department of State (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State) repeated an earlier CIA (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/CIA) estimate that each year, about 50,000 women and children are brought against their will to the United States for ****** exploitation. Former Secretary of State (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_State) Colin Powell (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Colin_Powell) said that "Here and abroad, the victims of trafficking toil under inhuman conditions -- in brothels, sweatshops, fields and even in private homes."

................

And now after leaving that lying around in mid thread I'll say no more.


What's your point?

[Bruisercruiser]

Um, I want an apology for all of the terror/slavery the Romans and the Vikings inflicted on my ancestors.

[Proudgrandson]

Apologise away, now reflect on the fact that in this day and age there are still slave raids going on, there are still people being held in Slavery, there are even in Western nations people being exploited by people trafficers, forced to work for nothing in sweat shops and in brothels...... Is not the most central and important thing now to complete the suppression of the trade!

This (somewhat edited from much earlier) yeah slap on some sackcloth and ashes, cry unclean unclean a couple of times. But people keep talking about slavery like its history, its not. I made the same point to various UK newspapers during the great 'oh weren't we bad' outbreak in 2007 on the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade, that it was happening in the UK now. Nobody wanted to know.

Haven't politicians got far more important things to be doing....now.

There's me point....such as it is

[Albatross]

NO HISTORY OF ANY NATION of the world has EVER took 12 MILLION people 5k miles as SLAVES
PROOVE ME WRONG LITTLE BOY!!!!!!

Here ya go champ, google works wonder. You are a high school dropout, aren't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade

[Narvaresearch]

Where in my post, which you quoted, did I say that we should "forget slavery and cleansing of entire races?"

Holocaust museums are just that...museums. Now, if you want to build a museum dedicated to memorizing the trials and tribulations of blacks in the Civil War era...knock yourself out.

I don't think the Germans are evil. Maybe you...but not me. I also don't think that the Germans need to appologize for the evils which Hitler brought about. They've done enough of that already.

Well I saw this


That's why we shouldn't be appologizing in the first place. It's history...it's in the past...now let's move on.

Hard to distinguish exactly what you meant. "Now let's move on" to me seemed to mean "let's forget about it", but that is the problem with internet forums these days (or any day for that matter).

And no, Germans are not evil, and they have apologized enough.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Here ya go champ, google works wonder. You are a high school dropout, aren't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade

Those bastard Vikings. Looks like somebody owes me a Volvo.

[oldsoak]

You just wait your turn - I want a SAAB and a nice blonde Swedish number, because I'm damn sure the Vikings came through and rustled the women and raped the cattle on our ancestral land.....

[gaz]

You just wait your turn - I want a SAAB and a nice blonde Swedish number, because I'm damn sure the Vikings came through and rustled the women and raped the cattle on our ancestral land.....

I'm told by my Uncle (Though it could be complete bollocks) that our surname is of Viking origin but I'm f*cked if I'm buying you a new car.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Well according to my math, if my family hadn't been pressed into service making those helmets with horns on 'em, I'd have myself a S80 by now. So cough it up.