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jizzmonkey
06-30-2004, 11:39 PM
Among the Bourgeoisophobes
Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel.
by David Brooks
04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30



AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige.

Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to "weep and vomit at the same time." Flaubert thought they were "plodding and avaricious." Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, "is the beginning of all virtue." He signed his letters "Bourgeoisophobus" to show how much he despised "stupid grocers and their ilk."

Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert,
Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age.

This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower.

And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know, deep down, that both America and Israel possess a vitality and heroism that their nations once had but no longer do.
Val:Y


there is a second part I'll post later

usa320
06-30-2004, 11:49 PM
ill read this later. Right now im having too much fun shooting down theories at that 9-11letsroll site.

rofl

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 12:55 AM
Very interesting, very thought-provoking, and it has a ring of truth to it. I'd never thought of the whole "great Satan / little Satan" thing as the modern version of the whole anti-bouregoisie movement.

n4292936
07-01-2004, 12:59 AM
ill read this later. Right now im having too much fun shooting down theories at that 9-11letsroll site.

rofl
........yes, Im sure you're doing your best ;)

Fargin
07-01-2004, 03:45 AM
The Eagle's Shadow
Why America Fascinates And Infuriates The World (http://www.holtzbrinckpublishers.com/FSG/search/SearchBookDisplay.asp?BookKey=655615)

UoUo
07-01-2004, 03:47 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

rob
07-01-2004, 03:50 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

same here, but i might be biased because i live there. but i dont like california, and i live there so it must be bad.

UoUo
07-01-2004, 03:53 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

same here, but i might be biased because i live there. but i dont like california, and i live there so it must be bad.

I give you Bat Yam (my city)..you gice me california deal?

Shadow
07-01-2004, 04:01 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

You like the people or their ****ty leaders? :lol:

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:02 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

You like the people or their ****ty leaders? :lol:

Both. :D

But i admitting...sometime they success to make me mad.

(hm..when they sell F-something to the arabs....or the M1A1 to Egept with our systems....or our F-16U with our new helmets...)\


But for real...i like USA.

Uncle Chô
07-01-2004, 04:08 AM
ill read this later. Right now im having too much fun shooting down theories at that 9-11letsroll site.
........yes, Im sure you're doing your best ;)

rofl rofl rofl

Gordon
07-01-2004, 04:08 AM
ill read this later. Right now im having too much fun shooting down theories at that 9-11letsroll site.

rofl

so whats the point of posting then?????

P.S. probably as much of a point as there is in me posting this.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:09 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

same here, but i might be biased because i live there. but i dont like california, and i live there so it must be bad.

I give you Bat Yam (my city)..you gice me california deal?

You don't REALLY mean that, right? There are three H's in California, and only one doesn't suck. High prices, hippies, and Hollywood.

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:12 AM
Don't know what about the rest of the world...but i like america.

same here, but i might be biased because i live there. but i dont like california, and i live there so it must be bad.

I give you Bat Yam (my city)..you gice me california deal?

You don't REALLY mean that, right? There are three H's in California, and only one doesn't suck. High prices, hippies, and Hollywood.

Hm..we don't have hippies here :) (and the israelis will understand what i mean)

But still.....you know what....

BTW: i guess Bat-Yam is in the size of 1 neighbourhood in California.


How many people live there?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:17 AM
How many people live there?

Roughly 35 million. California is the world's six largest economy, if I remember correctly.

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:19 AM
How many people live there?

Roughly 35 million. California is the world's six largest economy, if I remember correctly.

:D

WOW...we almost like you...100,000 :lol: :lol:

I bet California is ten times big then Israel.

Javehn
07-01-2004, 04:25 AM
Emm.. California is a state , UOUO , and Bat-Yam is just a city ...

;)

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:26 AM
I bet California is ten times big then Israel.

Actually, it's twenty times larger (roughly 400,000 sq km versus roughly 20,000 sq km).

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:28 AM
Emm.. California is a state , UOUO , and Bat-Yam is just a city ...

;)

Still they are much larger then Israel....35 million vs 6...

And they 20 times big....hily ****...

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:31 AM
BTW: new Jersy is also State ?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:31 AM
WOW...we almost like you...

By the way, nothin' personal, but if you called me a Californian to my face I'd punch you. I'm an Oregonian and DAMNED PROUD OF IT. Tell you what, once your engineers quit building that security fence, send 'em over here so we can build one on Oregon's southern border.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:33 AM
BTW: new Jersy is also State ?

I prefer to think of it as a prison camp, myself. But technically, yeah, it's a state.

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:38 AM
You ruin my opinian about the USA as perfect State... :lol:

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:38 AM
And they 20 times big....hily ****...

Yeah, pretty much everything in the USA is 20 times bigger than in Israel. You tell your girlfriend that and give her my number, k? ;) :D

Javehn
07-01-2004, 04:39 AM
You ruin my opinian about the USA as perfect State... :lol:

Waint until you will go live there for year ... :)

Javehn
07-01-2004, 04:40 AM
And they 20 times big....hily ****...

Yeah, pretty much everything in the USA is 20 times bigger than in Israel. You tell your girlfriend that and give her my number, k? ;) :D

Yes , girls as well :roll: :roll: :|
Ronald Mcdonalds and Starbucks ...

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:44 AM
Yeah, pretty much everything in the USA is 20 times bigger than in Israel. You tell your girlfriend that and give her my number, k? ;) :D

Yes , girls as well :roll: :roll: :|
Daymn. I walked straight into that one.

Javehn
07-01-2004, 04:47 AM
Hmm... :lol:

That was one thing that my friend who visited in Cali will never forget ... Huge fat people . :)

UoUo
07-01-2004, 04:47 AM
And they 20 times big....hily ****...

Yeah, pretty much everything in the USA is 20 times bigger than in Israel. You tell your girlfriend that and give her my number, k? ;) :D

Yes , girls as well :roll: :roll: :|
Ronald Mcdonalds and Starbucks ...

That was good. :lol: rofl

The Walrus
07-01-2004, 04:48 AM
I doubt that is the real root of hatred of America, I certainly agree that America gets far more 'stick' than it deserves, but I think it's partly because America's the big cheese now, and people throughout history have distrusted countries with great power, no matter how benevolent. Anti-Americanism is a very complex issue, this article seems to oversimplify it.

cut
07-01-2004, 05:41 AM
Jealous of american and israeli heroism, what?! That guy is talking out of his arse, no doubt there are some valid points in the article but the majority is bull****. As if it could be explain by some coined expression like "bourgeophobia", this must think he's some kind of genius, if it was that straight forward, this would have been explained like this a long time ago.

gilgoul
07-01-2004, 06:56 AM
WOW...we almost like you...

By the way, nothin' personal, but if you called me a Californian to my face I'd punch you. I'm an Oregonian and DAMNED PROUD OF IT. Tell you what, once your engineers quit building that security fence, send 'em over here so we can build one on Oregon's southern border.

Hey, can you tell me what`s the heck between cali and Oregon? My girl friends from Orange county, I couldn`t stand it more than two days, so we went to her former campus, santa cruz, much better but way too "laid back" for me, and to my great sorrow didn`t get a chance to go to oregon.
I hunderstood it`s like "wild west" and pretty different mentality, but like what?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:11 PM
Hey, can you tell me what`s the heck between cali and Oregon? My girl friends from Orange county, I couldn`t stand it more than two days, so we went to her former campus, santa cruz, much better but way too "laid back" for me, and to my great sorrow didn`t get a chance to go to oregon.
I hunderstood it`s like "wild west" and pretty different mentality, but like what?

Some quick stereotypes that are pretty accurate:

Southern California (ie Orange County) is all about surfers, bleached blond hair, breast implants, etc.

Northern California is 100% hippie. Especially Santa Cruz.

Oregon is one of those "forgotten states" between Washington state (famous for the "grunge" music scene in the 1990s) and California (famous for, well, being California). Unlike California, we don't have a huge population and we don't use more water than our state has (California has to import water from Colorado, who is very very p1ssed about losing its limited water supply). The personality of Oregon depends very highly on where you are. Portland and Eugene are full of hippies, though not nearly so much so as Santa Cruz. Everywhere else is a pretty much a bunch of gun-toting, canned-food-hoarding survivalists.

Friendly folks though, either way (Oregon hippie or Oregon survivalist).

Oregon's got amazing scenic beauty. That's the advantage of having a small population that hasn't wiped out all the nature.

http://www.fpcc.net/~sgrimm/places/jpgs/multnomah1.jpg
Multnomah Falls
http://www.fpcc.net/~sgrimm/places/multnomah1.htm

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/blanchem/pictures/oregon/forest.jpg
Just a typical forest scene. These are a dime a dozen in Oregon.
http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/blanchem/pictures/oregon/pictures_oregon.html

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/blanchem/pictures/oregon/forest10.jpg
Oregon's ruggedly beautiful coastline.
http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/blanchem/pictures/oregon/pictures_oregon.html

http://www.lewisandclark.org/images/Columbia-gorge.jpg
Columbia Gorge
http://www.lewisandclark.org/trailproj.htm

http://www.petermarbachphotography.com/assets/mthood_sm.jpg
Mount Hood

http://www.uoregon.edu/images/photos/previous/sisters.jpg
Three Sisters (mountain range)
http://www.uoregon.edu/photo_archives/scenic.html

http://www.uoregon.edu/02_04/images/photos02/previous/craterlake.jpg
Crater Lake
http://www.petermarbachphotography.com/pmp1.htm

And that's just a taste.

n4292936
07-01-2004, 06:43 PM
StarvinStudent must be studying to become a travel agent :D Are you doing bookings to Phnom Penh?

talib_killa34
07-01-2004, 10:23 PM
Nice pic's, maybe I'll move from Cali to Oregon now ;)



There's alot to do in this state, just now, more and more, it is getting pricier to live here!


Damn housing costs and buying a home is INSANE, especially in LA County and OC!

Something's gotta give.

Wait, what was the topic about again???

ZeroPositive
07-02-2004, 12:30 AM
nice pics :)
I wanna move to there now :)