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ASAT
06-19-2009, 12:41 PM
(Agencies)
Updated: 2009-06-18 10:14

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California's Chinese immigrants helped build ships, levees, irrigation systems and the transcontinental railroad. They worked in farm fields and mines and helped develop the abalone and shrimp industries.

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In this file photo from the 1920s, a group of Chinese and Japanese women and children wait to be processed as they are held in a wire mesh enclosure at internment barracks in Angel Island, Calif. Chinese immigrants were essential to the founding of California. They built the transcontinental railroad over the Sierra Nevada, worked mines during the Gold Rush, and helped spread agriculture and build the network of levees in the Central Valley. They also suffered decades of discrimination. [Agencies]


For their efforts, they were rewarded with special taxes, forced out of towns and denied the rights to own property, marry whites and attend public schools. They also were subjected to violence and intimidation and denied equal protection by the courts.

Californian State Assemblyman Paul Fong, a Cupertino Democrat whose maternal grandfather was subjected to immigration restrictions, thinks it's time the state and the federal governments formally apologize for mistreatment of the Chinese.

"To move forward and become a stronger state, we need to recognize our mistakes," Fong said Wednesday at a news conference.

It's not the first time that US state lawmakers have sought to make amends for past mistreatment.

Earlier this month, Connecticut became the seventh state to apologize to blacks for the wrongs committed under slavery. Alabama, Florida, Maryland, New Jersey, North Carolina and Virginia are the others.

The Chinese started coming to California in large numbers during the Gold Rush in the mid 1800s, hoping to strike it rich and return home. Many stayed and more came, working in the mines or taking other jobs, including helping build the transcontinental railroad. In 1882, they were made the targets of the United States' first law limiting immigration based on race or nationality, the Chinese Exclusion Act.

"It was a double standard all the way" until the mid-20th century, Fong has said. "They couldn't marry who they wanted. They couldn't buy property until the 1950s. Asians couldn't become (naturalized) citizens."
Eddie Wong, executive director of the Angel Island Immigration Station Foundation, said Chinese immigrants made "tremendous contributions to building society, building the economy of California. That should be recognized along with an apology."

Fong has introduced a resolution in the Assembly that cites the contributions made by the Chinese and expresses California's deep regrets for the discrimination. The measure is scheduled to be considered next week by the Assembly Judiciary Committee, the first step in winning approval from the Legislature.

Fong said he also planned to seek an apology from the federal government and some form of reparation, such as a contribution to maintain the Angel Island Immigration Station in San Francisco Bay, which housed Chinese immigrants between 1910 and 1940 as they tried to prove they were eligible to enter the US.

The island is a state park that could be shut because of California's budget problems.

Apologies for government mistreatment and reparations have been rare in Congress. In 1988, Congress apologized for the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II and offered $20,000 payments to survivors. It also issued an apology in 1993 to native Hawaiians for the unlawful overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

Legislation is pending in Congress to apologize for slavery, and for years of mistreatment to Native American Indians.

Fong and a resolution co-author, Assemblyman Kevin De Leon, D-Los Angeles, said it has drawn some negative and "very racist" reaction in reader comments on newspaper websites, but they predicted it would pass the state Legislature.

A spokeswoman for state Senate Minority Leader Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula, said he had no comment on the proposal.

Representatives of Chinese-American groups that appeared at the news conference supported the resolution.

"It's a moral imperative for the Legislature to rectify past injustices by apologizing," said Ivy Lee, former president of the Chinese American Political Action Committee. "Without an apology, we cannot move forward and promote reconciliation."

Fong's maternal grandfather experienced the discrimination in California firsthand. When he arrived in the United States in 1939, he spent two months on Angel Island undergoing questioning to determine if he was eligible to enter the country, Fong said.

He wasn't eligible, under the immigration restrictions that allowed Chinese to immigrate if they were members of certain professions, were the children of immigrants in those professions or were the children of Chinese-Americans who were citizens because they were born in the US.

Fong's grandfather paid about $2,000 for fake identification papers and took a new name of Chan Share, becoming a "paper son." The term referred to immigrants who purchased fake identification papers from the Chinese who claimed they were citizens and wanted to help their children in China immigrate to America. The practice became popular after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake that destroyed many birth records.

His grandfather settled near San Mateo and became a flower grower, later becoming one of the founders of the Chinese Bay Area Chrysanthemum Growers Association.

"There were discriminatory laws on the books at the time, and he had to get around them," Fong said. "That was the way they did it."

Link:http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-06/18/content_8297315.htm

Proudgrandson
06-19-2009, 12:46 PM
Been 'outrageously treated by the USA?' want an apology.

Please form an orderly line.

This spreads and parliament could be busy for years.....less they put me in charge of composing the answers<EG>

Holmes85
06-19-2009, 01:08 PM
I sense a trend in the works.

But I think it would be better if we find the surviving companies that abused these workers and have them do the apology. Now, which railroad companies were known to treat Chinese workers badly? I'll do some research.

RxOnco
06-19-2009, 01:16 PM
Instead of an apology, I think we should give them a great big posthumous kudos...for a job well done.

http://www.blastmedia.com/blogs/mediablast/two%20thumbs%20up.jpeg

Proudgrandson
06-19-2009, 01:35 PM
I sense a trend in the works.

But I think it would be better if we find the surviving companies that abused these workers and have them do the apology. Now, which railroad companies were known to treat Chinese workers badly? I'll do some research.


Is the Bella Union Saloon still running in Deadwood?

Because if it the owner might get a request to write a letter.

(I know its just a TV series)

2Sheds_Jackson
06-19-2009, 01:55 PM
"It's a moral imperative for the Legislature to rectify past injustices by apologizing," said Ivy Lee, former president of the Chinese American Political Action Committee. "Without an apology, we cannot move forward and promote reconciliation."

Did I f*cking wake up in crazy town today? Reconciliation? By what definition of "reconcile" are Chinese Americans living in CA not f*cking reconciled? Is it because they're at the top of every achievement index in existence? Because of all the businesses they own? Or because they're welomed with open arms into every industry and into the very top of the State's social strata? This is like Jews in Palm Beach or Italians in New Jersey seeking an apology.

Bruisercruiser
06-19-2009, 02:07 PM
Ah, soo solly!

okiebugg
06-19-2009, 02:19 PM
Did I f*cking wake up in crazy town today? Reconciliation? By what definition of "reconcile" are Chinese Americans living in CA not f*cking reconciled? Is it because they're at the top of every achievement index in existence? Because of all the businesses they own? Or because they're welomed with open arms into every industry and into the very top of the State's social strata? This is like Jews in Palm Beach or Italians in New Jersey seeking an apology.

Just like every other minority with an ax to grind or put money into their pockets. They are prolly looking for $$$$

This should help the deficit in Ca

offspring
06-19-2009, 02:42 PM
Just like every other minority with an ax to grind or put money into their pockets. They are prolly looking for $$$$

This should help the deficit in Ca

I'm an american of chinese and jewish decent....where's my apology?

okiebugg
06-19-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm an american of chinese and jewish decent....where's my apology?

Let me understand this: Chinese/Jewish/American living in Australia by choice. You don't deserve an apology (LOL) You're too mixed up ;)

offspring
06-19-2009, 03:01 PM
Let me understand this: Chinese/Jewish/American living in Australia by choice. You don't deserve an apology (LOL) You're too mixed up ;)

i live in australia?

okiebugg
06-19-2009, 03:19 PM
i live in australia?

Below your Avatar it says "Aussie by choice" Bad assumption on my part?

Ordie
06-19-2009, 05:08 PM
I'm an american of chinese and jewish decent....where's my apology?

Oy vey.......

You have enough guilt to deal with already

offspring
06-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Oy vey.......

You have enough guilt to deal with already

i'm a mason too

Henry's Fork
06-19-2009, 11:14 PM
Fong's maternal grandfather experienced the discrimination in California firsthand. When he arrived in the United States in 1939, he spent two months on Angel Island undergoing questioning to determine if he was eligible to enter the country, Fong said.

Super facepalm. My Italian family did the same on Ellis, even to the point of keeping them in quaranteen for a long time when they were not sick at all. Not to mention having to slave in the copper and silver mines in Shasta and last but no least working in the Santa Rosa vineyards and orchards before there were oceans of illegals from down south.


Fong's grandfather paid about $2,000 for fake identification papers and took a new name of Chan Share, becoming a "paper son." The term referred to immigrants who purchased fake identification papers from the Chinese who claimed they were citizens and wanted to help their children in China immigrate to America. The practice became popular after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake that destroyed many birth records.
Ahh yes, Chinese exploiting other Chinese, somethings have never changed.

2 grand in the 30's? Especially a FOB from China? My BS meter just went off. My family in the 30's was busting ass 24/7 in the fields and still couldnt put food on the table without weekly hunting trips. To Fongs grandfather, look at me play the worlds smallest violin for your poor burdens. :roll:

To Chinese here in the US, HTFU, the rest of us did and got over it.

3rdMillhouse
06-19-2009, 11:29 PM
"White man's guilt" strikes again. Brace for impact America.

Holmes85
06-19-2009, 11:45 PM
This is most definitely a trend.

bono
06-20-2009, 05:25 AM
If chinese have a grudge just because they came here on their own free will, made atleast 10 times more money than they could ever make back in China, most got to settle here thanks to "paper son" and all, just think of the mother of all grudges when native American Indians decide to ask around about "illegal immigration" by pilgrims and all those who followed them in this country without permission from Indian chiefs.

The sooner this country outlaws victimhood, the better.

Ordie
06-20-2009, 10:47 AM
If chinese have a grudge just because they came here on their own free will, made atleast 10 times more money than they could ever make back in China, most got to settle here thanks to "paper son" and all, just think of the mother of all grudges when native American Indians decide to ask around about "illegal immigration" by pilgrims and all those who followed them in this country without permission from Indian chiefs.

The sooner this country outlaws victimhood, the better.

The majority of Chinese-Americans today arrived or decendend from immigrants after the last of the Chinese Exclusion Laws were abolished in the 1940's. This was done as a gesture to our Chinese Allies during the Second World War.

Many of the decendants of the Chinese who arrived during and after the Gold Rush were 'paper immigrants' as you said who arrived with false names or as 'Filipinos'. The exclusion laws prohibited Chinese immigration with exception to family members. Since the Philippines was a US colony with a notable Chinese community they too were exempt. In fact some Chinese families in San Francisco have Filipino names such as Torres, or De La Cruz.

The 'paper son' would adopt the surname of the host living in San Francisco. And memorize the family tree, relations, stories and other aspects. In a nutshell, this immigrant had to erase his identity. Once under quarantine at Angel Island, the immigration officials would question them to make sure he's genuine.

Many old time Gold Rush era Chinese families in San Francisco to this day continue to use the 'paper' surname (Fong, Gee, Der) and speak the local dialect from Taisan County as a badge of pride. Oddly enough many work for the SFPD or SFFD including two former police chiefs.

But the fact of the matter is that our country would not be where it is today in economic and devlopment terms without the efforts of the immigrants including Chinese railway workers. The transcontinental railway opened the door for American prosperity with access to new markets, binding the country together and in becoming a Pacific Rim nation.

If you travel along I-80 from Sacramento to Reno through Donner Pass, along the approximate path of the original railway path, you wonder to yourself how the f**k they were able to build it in the 19th century?

Given the tremendous contributions, an apology is a small price.

Proudgrandson
06-20-2009, 11:01 AM
If you travel along I-80 from Sacramento to Reno through Donner Pass, along the approximate path of the original railway path, you wonder to yourself how the f**k they were able to build it in the 19th century?

Given the tremendous contributions, an apology is a small price.

With very large amounts of dynamite and very little health and safety if memory of history books various serves.........Bloody hell, I feel a demand for an apology to Irish Navvies coming on

brainplay
06-20-2009, 02:58 PM
Yup, Irish might get an apology but then they're white and that might not go over too well. We'll just forget that they experienced blatant racism during their early years as well.

Granted though, some of the irish I have to work with are lazy bastards but you can only teach a dog so many tricks. p-)

bono
06-20-2009, 03:11 PM
Building railroads, or breaking rocks is not squat at working in disgusting coal mines covered in black soot and breathing coal dust that gave you a lifespan of less than 50 years. Italian, Irish and Polish labor worked in primitive conditions in coal mines of Pennsylvania, West Virginia till about 50 years ago. If everyone who had to do hard labor before pneumatic drill was invented deserves an apology, then I have to say take a number!


The majority of Chinese-Americans today arrived or decendend from immigrants after the last of the Chinese Exclusion Laws were abolished in the 1940's. This was done as a gesture to our Chinese Allies during the Second World War.

Many of the decendants of the Chinese who arrived during and after the Gold Rush were 'paper immigrants' as you said who arrived with false names or as 'Filipinos'. The exclusion laws prohibited Chinese immigration with exception to family members. Since the Philippines was a US colony with a notable Chinese community they too were exempt. In fact some Chinese families in San Francisco have Filipino names such as Torres, or De La Cruz.

The 'paper son' would adopt the surname of the host living in San Francisco. And memorize the family tree, relations, stories and other aspects. In a nutshell, this immigrant had to erase his identity. Once under quarantine at Angel Island, the immigration officials would question them to make sure he's genuine.

Many old time Gold Rush era Chinese families in San Francisco to this day continue to use the 'paper' surname (Fong, Gee, Der) and speak the local dialect from Taisan County as a badge of pride. Oddly enough many work for the SFPD or SFFD including two former police chiefs.

But the fact of the matter is that our country would not be where it is today in economic and devlopment terms without the efforts of the immigrants including Chinese railway workers. The transcontinental railway opened the door for American prosperity with access to new markets, binding the country together and in becoming a Pacific Rim nation.

If you travel along I-80 from Sacramento to Reno through Donner Pass, along the approximate path of the original railway path, you wonder to yourself how the f**k they were able to build it in the 19th century?

Given the tremendous contributions, an apology is a small price.

okiebugg
06-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Building railroads, or breaking rocks is not squat at working in disgusting coal mines covered in black soot and breathing coal dust that gave you a lifespan of less than 50 years. Italian, Irish and Polish labor worked in primitive conditions in coal mines of Pennsylvania, West Virginia till about 50 years ago. If everyone who had to do hard labor before pneumatic drill was invented deserves an apology, then I have to say take a number!

I just realized that America needs to apologize to everyone. What about the Brits and their oppressive colonization??????

OBama came along just in time. NOT

California Joe
06-20-2009, 04:13 PM
These douchebags with their "retro apologies" make me want to kill kittens.

This motherf*cker is a State Assemblyman, surely that is enough evidence that his maternal grandfather's sacrifices had a certain amount of impact?

California is currently dying and this c*nt is "working" on pressing issues like this?

Ordie
06-20-2009, 06:37 PM
Don't worry
He'll be termed out and the voters will vote to have the assembly irrelevant. And well solve all of our problems through the ballot boxs and blame the politicians for why were in a sorry state.

okiebugg
06-20-2009, 10:08 PM
Don't worry
He'll be termed out and the voters will vote to have the assembly irrelevant. And well solve all of our problems through the ballot boxs and blame the politicians for why were in a sorry state.

Are you being sarcastic with the ballot box statement? If you go to theobamanation.com you will find a few Uhhhhhhh black extrem....uhhhh patriots that wiill never vote for any other than a black.

I tried to join the new black panthers website and was rebuffed because of my race. I want an apology!

California Joe
06-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Are you being sarcastic with the ballot box statement? If you go to theobamanation.com you will find a few Uhhhhhhh black extrem....uhhhh patriots that wiill never vote for any other than a black.

I tried to join the new black panthers website and was rebuffed because of my race. I want an apology!

No, he's talking about the fact that in California they literally vote on every single self interest issue and that's why they're broke.

But as far as the rest of your post where you seem to really be itching to use the term "n*ggers" but want to be cute about it, why don't you f*ck off and find a website more tailored to your interests. Cause Marine Corps emblem avatar or not you sound like a real ****.

vinny_121_ND
06-20-2009, 11:08 PM
Our Canadian PM harper did issue a formal apology for the treatment to the chinese migrants in 2006. Those were tough times back 60, 70 years ago.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_1412.aspx

The right thing to do is to issue an apology, end the chapter.

Ordie
06-21-2009, 02:34 AM
No, he's talking about the fact that in California they literally vote on every single self interest issue and that's why they're broke.

Yep

That's what I ment.

Since Sacramento is becoming irrelevant, I'm surprised that anyone has paid attention to this specific bill.

2Sheds_Jackson
06-21-2009, 02:38 PM
The majority of Chinese-Americans today arrived or decendend from immigrants after the last of the Chinese Exclusion Laws were abolished in the 1940's. This was done as a gesture to our Chinese Allies during the Second World War.

Many of the decendants of the Chinese who arrived during and after the Gold Rush were 'paper immigrants' as you said who arrived with false names or as 'Filipinos'. The exclusion laws prohibited Chinese immigration with exception to family members. Since the Philippines was a US colony with a notable Chinese community they too were exempt. In fact some Chinese families in San Francisco have Filipino names such as Torres, or De La Cruz.

The 'paper son' would adopt the surname of the host living in San Francisco. And memorize the family tree, relations, stories and other aspects. In a nutshell, this immigrant had to erase his identity. Once under quarantine at Angel Island, the immigration officials would question them to make sure he's genuine.

Many old time Gold Rush era Chinese families in San Francisco to this day continue to use the 'paper' surname (Fong, Gee, Der) and speak the local dialect from Taisan County as a badge of pride. Oddly enough many work for the SFPD or SFFD including two former police chiefs.

But the fact of the matter is that our country would not be where it is today in economic and devlopment terms without the efforts of the immigrants including Chinese railway workers. The transcontinental railway opened the door for American prosperity with access to new markets, binding the country together and in becoming a Pacific Rim nation.

If you travel along I-80 from Sacramento to Reno through Donner Pass, along the approximate path of the original railway path, you wonder to yourself how the f**k they were able to build it in the 19th century?

Given the tremendous contributions, an apology is a small price.

I really can't agree with you here. Why is an apology due at all? Our current immigration laws set exclusions/quotas on all sorts of people/nations. And those people still lie and find ways to skirt our systems - that's just human nature. Are we supposed to apologize because they had to work so hard to break our laws? Maybe we should start doing that for the current Africans, Mexicans and Cubans right now.

And what's wrong with working on the railroad all the live long day (sorry, I had to)? They weren't slaves after all. The work was hard and dangerous - but lots of work was like that (building the Hoover dam, etc. people dropped like flies). It's as if we're simply apologizing for the way life was a hundred years ago, as if there was any other way for it to be. I'm all for recognizing their contribution - which was and is undeniably significant...but an apology?