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Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2009, 01:52 PM
GOP Energy Alternative Is Nuclear Intensive

POWERnews
June 17, 2009

Energy legislation unveiled by House Republicans last week in response to the Waxman-Markey climate change and energy bill focuses heavily on an expansion of the nation’s nuclear industry, calling for construction of up to 100 new nuclear power plants by 2030 to meet the nation’s energy needs and environmental challenges.

In introducing American Energy Act, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.)—also chair of the House Republican Conference—called the legislation an “ ‘all of the above plan’ that offers energy independence, more jobs and a cleaner environment without imposing a national energy act.”

“The Democrat answer you just heard is a national energy tax that will lead to higher energy prices and massive job losses for the American people. The President said it best a year ago when he said if the cap and trade plan were to pass, utility rates would ‘necessarily skyrocket.’ Some estimates suggest job losses between 1.8 million and 7 million,” he said. “Well, Republicans have a better plan: The American Energy Act.”

The plan would set up a National Policy Goal that would push for—without mandating—construction of 100 new nuclear reactors by 2030. The GOP advocates a “fast track” of the regulatory process with the establishment of an accelerated regulatory process for new reactor applicants. Under the two-year program, applicants would have a full and complete combined construction and operation license application, demonstrate financial commitment to long-lead components, and the reactor proposed must be a design already certified by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC).

This measure was applauded by the Nuclear Energy Institute. Though it called the target of 100 new nuclear plants by 2030 “ambitious,” it said, “There are scenarios in which it is possible for industry to have that many plants in operation, under construction or in the licensing process within the next two decades. According to the Environmental Protection Agency’s analysis of the Waxman-Markey energy and climate change bill, 180 new reactors are needed by 2050 to meet the carbon reductions required by the proposed legislation.”

The GOP bill also partly addresses supply and waste management issues. The plan would create a “uranium supply-disruption mitigation reserve” whereby the Department of Energy (DOE) would audit all unused materials in its system that could be used to power commercial reactors. Some portion of this uranium would be allocated to be a temporary reserve of reactor fuel to protect against a “foreign supplier attempt to deny” American energy producers access to uranium fuel.

The plan would “prohibit” the Obama administration from withdrawing the DOE’s Yucca Mountain application, which is being reviewed by the NRC. It would also repeal the now-defunct nuclear waste repository’s 70,000-metric ton limitation, “letting science and technology dictate how much the repository can safely hold.” Additionally, it would direct the Interior Department to grant all necessary rights of way and land use permissions for spent fuel storage facilities if the state and locality were to reach an agreement with a private entity.

Regarding spent fuel recycling, it would require the energy secretary to use amounts in the Nuclear Waste Fund to enter into long-term contracts with private sector entities for the recycling of spent fuel and, ultimately, it “prohibits administrations from blocking or hindering” recycling spent nuclear fuel.

The bill promotes alternative energy technologies: It makes permanent tax credits for the production of renewable electricity. It would also make permanent investment tax credits for solar energy and for fuel cell properties and extend the biodiesel and renewable diesel tax credits.

It also contains a section that seeks to cut “red tape” and reduce “frivolous lawsuits” by curtailing lawsuits that “obstruct” energy exploration. In an attempt to spur research and development, it also proposes offering a $500 million prize to the first U.S. auto maker to sell 50,000 economically feasible vehicles that get 100 mpg.

Link (http://www.powermag.com/POWERnews/GOP-Energy-Alternative-Is-Nuclear-Intensive_1981.html)

2Sheds_Jackson
06-19-2009, 03:32 PM
I say build new-tech nukes until the cows come home. It's the only realistic alternative in the short term. What the policy needs to be to make that happen, well I guess that's debatable. But seeing as how our society managed to sue the previous nuclear operators into oblivion, all while they had an admirable safety record, I think legal reform needs to be in the package.

akd
06-19-2009, 03:42 PM
This proposal is seriously lacking in rainbows and sunshine.

RxOnco
06-19-2009, 03:44 PM
It's about f*cking time we put nuclear back on the table. It seems to work for the French. Why not us?

Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2009, 03:45 PM
I say build new-tech nukes until the cows come home. It's the only realistic alternative in the short term. What the policy needs to be to make that happen, well I guess that's debatable. But seeing as how our society managed to sue the previous nuclear operators into oblivion, all while they had an admirable safety record, I think legal reform needs to be in the package.

Completely agree with you, sir.

If Congress wants to diversify the energy supply, keep energy prices at a level that supports growth, and reduce emissions, I don't see any other way.

Nuclear power's issues can be addressed. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Blue_0
06-19-2009, 04:04 PM
I like Nuke plants. I say we build lots of them. Nuke plants could make us much less oil dependant in the form of electric cars to boot.

-- Bluelight

Ordie
06-19-2009, 04:09 PM
I thought Conservatives believed in Conservation as thier ideology suggest?

RxOnco
06-19-2009, 04:12 PM
I thought Conservatives believed in Conservation as thier ideology suggest?

You're right...we're talking about "conserving" oil, coal, and natural gas.

Ordie
06-19-2009, 04:27 PM
You're right...we're talking about "conserving" oil, coal, and natural gas.

How about living within our means?

Lt-Col A. Tack
06-19-2009, 04:58 PM
How about living within our means?
I think changing the ethos of energy consumers in the US will be problematic.

American workers need jobs and investors (including the vast majority of the working public) need economic growth, and that's difficult (or slower) if energy prices are high.

To reconcile demand with supply, there would seem to be only two approaches:
1) Expand the supply of energy or 2) reduce the demand.

I personally favor expanding supply, with some attention given to increasing the efficiency.

I'm not opposed to renewables, and they might constitute a high (or higher) percentage of the new energy production capacity, but I really don't see how they will ever completely supplant fossil fuels and nuclear.

2Sheds_Jackson
06-19-2009, 05:41 PM
How about living within our means?

There's no reason we can't do both, right? Living within our means is great but if we're still coating the countryside with fly ash, that's no so great.

Marshall_Nord
06-19-2009, 06:42 PM
How about living within our means?

Such as? And I don't want to hear about how we all need to give up the freedom to live, work and play where ever we desire because it’s “responsible” living.

We can engineer our way out of this energy crunch without giving up our freedoms; but RISKS have to be taken! We once did such things in this country before the lawyers and the worry warts ran the show.

Euroamerican
06-19-2009, 06:49 PM
The eco nomenklatura want everyone else to live within their means, but they'll always have their private jets and limos to take them around when the rest of us are riding public transport to each and every activity we are allowed to go to.

Whenever I see a little electric car driving by, I think of the coal fired power plant "nimby"ed out there somewhere, belching smoke, so that the driver can feel like he himself is not really polluting.

Build more nuclear plants.

And just wait. Soon, the power companies are likely to put a separate meter on the electric car power tap that you have in your garage. You'll be paying a premium to charge you car, because you shouldn't really be driving anywhere anyway and the gasoline taxes will give way to some othe sort of energey consumption tax.

Ordie
06-19-2009, 06:54 PM
Such as? And I don't want to hear about how we all need to give up the freedom to live, work and play where ever we desire because it’s “responsible” living.

We can engineer our way out of this energy crunch without giving up our freedoms; but RISKS have to be taken! We once did such things in this country before the lawyers and the worry warts ran the show.

I agree.

However, people will only seek an alternative means if there is an incentive to do so.

We need to keep fossil fuels at an artificially higer price encourage both users and industry to use alternative means and push the limits of innovation.

SoftLion
06-19-2009, 06:56 PM
We need to keep fossil fuels at an artificially higer price encourage both users and industry to use alternative means and push the limits of innovation.

Although you are right, now is not the time.

Ordie
06-19-2009, 06:58 PM
The eco nomenklatura want everyone else to live within their means, but they'll always have their private jets and limos to take them around when the rest of us are riding public transport to each and every activity we are allowed to go to.

Whenever I see a little electric car driving by, I think of the coal fired power plant "nimby"ed out there somewhere, belching smoke, so that the driver can feel like he himself is not really polluting.

Build more nuclear plants.

And just wait. Soon, the power companies are likely to put a separate meter on the electric car power tap that you have in your garage. You'll be paying a premium to charge you car, because you shouldn't really be driving anywhere anyway and the gasoline taxes will give way to some othe sort of energey consumption tax.

There is no free lunch.

But using less energy at home is a simple and effective method.

Ordie
06-19-2009, 07:02 PM
Although you are right, now is not the time.

Why not?

People are not going to buy new fuel effecient cars from Detroit unless there is an economic incentive to do so.

People are not going to demand high speed rail within regional cities on the same premise.

Both rail and new cars creates values in terms of employment and local externalities.

SoftLion
06-19-2009, 07:08 PM
Why not?

People are not going to buy new fuel effecient cars from Detroit unless there is an economic incentive to do so.

People are not going to demand high speed rail within regional cities on the same premise.

Both rail and new cars creates values in terms of employment and local externalities.

In times of record unemployment, where the government is spending *trillions* (of mine and your tax dollars) to stimulate the economy, my opinion is that you shoot yourself in the foot by "artificially keeping prices higher" on an important commodity like oil/gasoline, still needed by said unemployed, and/or raising taxes.

I don't disagree with your premise, I just don't think anything but the market should be dictating prices right now, especially in regard to gasoline/oil.

SoftLion
06-19-2009, 07:13 PM
People are not going to buy new fuel effecient cars from Detroit unless there is an economic incentive to do so.


Oh yea - they're working on that right now, proposing another stimulus check if you vehicle gets under 15 mpg (like mine). Problem is, I wouldn't buy American, if given the choice.

Marshall_Nord
06-19-2009, 07:18 PM
I agree.

However, people will only seek an alternative means if there is an incentive to do so.

We need to keep fossil fuels at an artificially higer price encourage both users and industry to use alternative means and push the limits of innovation.

In theory, yes; in reality, risky. As the above poster stated, with our current economy this could spiral out of control; risking riots and a backlash against those who favor this. With aggressive leadership we can develop the means without burdening the working class.

Jobu
06-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Why not?

People are not going to buy new fuel effecient cars from Detroit unless there is an economic incentive to do so.

People are not going to demand high speed rail within regional cities on the same premise.

Both rail and new cars creates values in terms of employment and local externalities.

High speed rail? How is this going to help the auto industry?
Why are you proposing to build a new rail system to compete with the auto companies we now own?

Panchito12
06-19-2009, 11:15 PM
Pressurized Water Reactors.....NAVY STYLE!!

That's what we need in Ameriaa.

Ordie
06-20-2009, 12:25 AM
High speed rail? How is this going to help the auto industry?
Why are you proposing to build a new rail system to compete with the auto companies we now own?

They compliment each other.

as they do in Eurpoe

Mu-Meson
06-20-2009, 01:54 AM
Too bad the GOP didn't do this, say, 5 years ago. This hasn't a chance of going anywhere for at least 4 years.

Bacilluspolymyxa
06-20-2009, 03:34 AM
It's about f*cking time we put nuclear back on the table. It seems to work for the French. Why not us?Lack of a concrete energy security policy and a tight relationship between power companies and government.

brainplay
06-20-2009, 01:53 PM
How about living within our means?

We would need to nuke California and New York to do that as they live beyond their needs and those of several states surrounding them.

Light rail has already been hashed on. It only works with heavy infrastructure assistance and only within population with extreme densities to be self sufficient. Otherwise it becomes a drain on money, power, and other resources.

Artificially raising gas prices now would be a catastrophe. Millions rely on non-efficient cars. Many cannot afford a new car even if it was tax free. Incentives to buy hybrids or fuel efficient cars is the way to get people to use them. As it stands, no one but some liberal jerk off is going to want to pay what it costs for a 4 door sedan with leather seats and 8mpg to have a compact (or sub-compact) car with generic luxuries that gets 40mpg.


Too bad the GOP didn't do this, say, 5 years ago. This hasn't a chance of going anywhere for at least 4 years.

GOP has been pushing for this for the last 30yrs. The last time a request was made I can remember was about 6yrs ago and still denied while they were in power. The article explains a bit of the red tape and requirements needed just to get 1 reactor approved. I honestly don't see reactors getting approved unless someone reforms the agencies overseaing the running and disposal of nuclear power plants.