Chinese agents beat Slovak protesters as President Chu visits Slovakia

[Jurinko]

On Thursday, Chinese president Chu visited Slovakia. During the meeting with our president Gasparovic, 50 -100 protesters gathered on the square in front of the Presidential palace with usual flags like "Human rights for China", "Free Tibet" etc.
However, dozens of local Chinese appeared too, including students brought by buses from nearby Austria. They were all wearing red caps and immediately started to interfere with Slovak protesters, covering their flags with chinese flags. The most startling was action of well organized group of medium-aged Chinese men, all in dark suits with ear-microphones, which started to take and tear the protesters transparents down, fought with protesters and pushed a Chinese lady with flag saying "Falung Gong is good" down the stairs. (FG is some type of meditation exercises, strictly forbidden in China).

The most awful thing was, that Slovak police let the Chinese do as they wished and brutally arrested several of Slovak protesters instead, which were beaten by Chinese guys in suits. They took also three civilian Chinese men "for stealing someone elses property" (paper flags), but none of them was a Chinese in dark suit.

Chinese man in dark suit tearing the protesters flag down:
http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Slovak activist being brutally arrested by Slovak police:
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/8/48/4897318/dostal_zadrzanie.jpg

http://i.sme.sk/cdata/1/48/4896571/novahlavna-r967_res.jpg

Chinese Falung Gong activist after being attacked by Chinese:
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/1/48/4896571/su.jpg

Being absolutely outraged by that, I attended another meeting in front of the Government office next day where Chu officially arrived. I swore there would not be blood only on our side, but this time Mao´s shock troops were kept separated by police and nothing happened.

For better understanding, our present communist-friendly government is the sample of the worst scum since Vladimir Meciar´s governments in mid-nineties, which behaviour that time prevented Slovakia to being accepted NATO together with neighbor countries. China, Cuba, White Russia and Vietnam are favourite destinations of our prime minister; visit to Venezuela was at last cancelled last year. But to let the Chinese agents to beat Slovak people in Bratislava capital, in front of the Presindetial palace with quiet assistence of our police is something unheard before. This is central Europe, no freaking Sudan!!

There are videos inside those links:

Chinese beat Slovaks, police did nothing
http://www.sme.sk/c/4896571/cinania-bili-slovakov-policia-stala.html

Slovak activist: "we had to give the police even shoe ties"
http://www.sme.sk/c/4897318/ondrej-dostal-policii-sme-museli-odovzdat-aj-snurky-od-topanok.html

[DID]

It remind me when the olympic flame was travelling around the world with hundred of chinese policemen to protect it from protesters. with the financial crisis China his now one of the bigest reserve of money for western countries so it explain why politics are so indulgent.

[killer_whale]

They are not Chinese policemen. They are Agents Smith.

The Slovak police have been infectedp-)

[asch]

i say, don't fvck with president's security, hippies. rules of conduct is a biatch when it's about security of a president.

[saturnin]

I don´t like much "hippies" but that´s too much. Those chinese are organized and they just can´t attack anybody physically with no consequences.

[saturnin]

i say, don't fvck with president's security, hippies. rules of conduct is a biatch when it's about security of a president.

group which was attacked by chinese didn´t thread president security. One Chinese who attacked Slovaks runed to chinese security and those security after discussion? with slovak police prevented his arrest.

can´t found how exactly this happened, or better to say how discussion look like. Maybe some policemen was affraid of international incident, who know?

[HVU]

Isn´t it President HU, or has China got a new president?

[cn_habs]

Who the heck the Chu?

[bono]

China's leaders, for all their huge $$$ reserves can't buy respect for sh*t. F**king laughing stock of the whole world.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

China's leaders, for all their huge $$$ reserves can't buy respect for sh*t. F**king laughing stock of the whole world.You might be the only one laughing, I know that I do not find Chinese diplomacy amusing in the slightest.

[Jurinko]

Those people were not hippies (I don´t like hippies much as well) and those dark suit guys were not president´s guard. President Chu was inside the presidential palace anyway.

The suckiest thing is our police, who behaved exactly as instructed - let the protesters have it by organized Chinese agents directly in the Slovak capital. This is not surprising, as our red verkhushka has good relations especially with similar blood class countries.

Asch probably doesn´t care, but can you imagine it, organized Zimbabwian agents beating your Mugabe protesters at your capital, and your police arresting your people and not the Zimbabwian attackers? Our politicians sold the main square to China for that period. Awful.

[Ordie]

This is the ugly side of Chinese nationalism.

For them there is no room for civil debate, discourse or respect.

These ugly actions only serves to perpetuate the negative image of China abroad.

Any normal local police would've cordoned off opposing sides in separate areas and prevent conflict.

[bono]

You might be the only one laughing, I know that I do not find Chinese diplomacy amusing in the slightest.


When you are a laughing stock, you are being ridiculed, not being hailed as the next Jay Leno.

[Danielotu]

i say, don't fvck with president's security, hippies. rules of conduct is a biatch when it's about security of a president.

Word. They had it coming.

[Jurinko]

They were NOT hippies and those guys were NOT the president´s security. Cant you read?

[Kit]

This is pretty low for the Chinese government. They were infringing on people's right of speech, and these people aren't Chinese citizens. I think you Slovaks need to check under the desks of some Chinese bureaucrats and see if you find any of your leaders there.

[Narvaresearch]

I don´t like much "hippies" but that´s too much. Those chinese are organized and they just can´t attack anybody physically with no consequences.

Especially in someone elses country! :|

This is bizarre the Slovak police let that happen on the first day. Not good, indeed.

[TheMiddlePath]

On Thursday, Chinese president Chu visited Slovakia. During the meeting with our president Gasparovic, 50 -100 protesters gathered on the square in front of the Presidential palace with usual flags like "Human rights for China", "Free Tibet" etc.
However, dozens of local Chinese appeared too, including students brought by buses from nearby Austria. They were all wearing red caps and immediately started to interfere with Slovak protesters, covering their flags with chinese flags. The most startling was action of well organized group of medium-aged Chinese men, all in dark suits with ear-microphones, which started to take and tear the protesters transparents down, fought with protesters and pushed a Chinese lady with flag saying "Falung Gong is good" down the stairs. (FG is some type of meditation exercises, strictly forbidden in China).

The most awful thing was, that Slovak police let the Chinese do as they wished and brutally arrested several of Slovak protesters instead, which were beaten by Chinese guys in suits. They took also three civilian Chinese men "for stealing someone elses property" (paper flags), but none of them was a Chinese in dark suit.

Chinese man in dark suit tearing the protesters flag down:
http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Slovak activist being brutally arrested by Slovak police:
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/8/48/4897318/dostal_zadrzanie.jpg

http://i.sme.sk/cdata/1/48/4896571/novahlavna-r967_res.jpg

Chinese Falung Gong activist after being attacked by Chinese:
http://i.sme.sk/cdata/1/48/4896571/su.jpg

Being absolutely outraged by that, I attended another meeting in front of the Government office next day where Chu officially arrived. I swore there would not be blood only on our side, but this time Mao´s shock troops were kept separated by police and nothing happened.

For better understanding, our present communist-friendly government is the sample of the worst scum since Vladimir Meciar´s governments in mid-nineties, which behaviour that time prevented Slovakia to being accepted NATO together with neighbor countries. China, Cuba, White Russia and Vietnam are favourite destinations of our prime minister; visit to Venezuela was at last cancelled last year. But to let the Chinese agents to beat Slovak people in Bratislava capital, in front of the Presindetial palace with quiet assistence of our police is something unheard before. This is central Europe, no freaking Sudan!!

There are videos inside those links:

Chinese beat Slovaks, police did nothing
http://www.sme.sk/c/4896571/cinania-bili-slovakov-policia-stala.html

Slovak activist: "we had to give the police even shoe ties"
http://www.sme.sk/c/4897318/ondrej-dostal-policii-sme-museli-odovzdat-aj-snurky-od-topanok.html


Watch the video several times and did not see any Chinese beating anybody. Only just having tug of war with some red cloth.

But I saw this...... A violent protester hitting a Chinese man (Hands in the air) in the stomach.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2mq9niw.jpg

The police has the right to prevent violent protesters from being too close to any visiting head of state for obvious reasons. From the video it appears that the protesters broke away from the police corden and posted a threat to the visiting head of state. So they did the right thing to arrest the protesters.

Please so not post lies.....

[sreto]

It looks like he is pushing him away not hitting him, but a nice attempt at showing the violent protestor and talking about not posting lies.

[Ordie]

It looks like the police was I'll prepared to handle the situation. Regardless of the detail of who hit whom, both sides shouldve restrained each other from getting physical. It only discredits peoples beliefs.

I am of the opinion that no matter how one disagrees to a persons point of view, one should Always respect a persons right to express it.

My observations from Chinese nationalist abroad is that they have yet to learn this.

[AZZenny]

They have no interest in learning it.

[TheMiddlePath]

It looks like he is pushing him away not hitting him, but a nice attempt at showing the violent protestor and talking about not posting lies.

A punch in the stomach or a push. You cannot be sure.

But I can be sure I did not see any Chinese man hitting anybody.

Yeah ...wonderful title too ...Chinese agents beat Slovak protesters as President Chu visits Slovakia

So where is the Chinese agent BEATING Slovak protesters ?

Look ... another protester trying to hit the Chinese agent head.

http://i39.tinypic.com/30i9wzo.jpg

[Ordie]

Look ... another protester trying to hit the Chinese agent head.



It begs the question on why would Chinese agents are within the crowds in the first place? Normally it is the juristiction of the local police to deal with crowd control and access. Internatinal agents are usually responsible for the personal security of the visiting dignitary.

It would be akin to a Japanese Security agent, outside the Japanese embassy getting into a scuffle with a Chinese protestor.

[sreto]

A punch in the stomach or a push. You cannot be sure.

Im pretty sure its a push.


But I can be sure I did not see any Chinese man hitting anybody.

How do you explain the lady with the bleeding face?

If you didnt see something does that mean it didnt or couldnt have happened?

[saturnin]

To TheMiddlePath: you are posting only part photos which do not show process of conflict.

it´s true that demonstration against China was not allowed (better to say registered,- but it doesn´t mean that was against law) it only explain why police was not there at the right beginning. Other thing is that acording to witnesses Chinese suprisingly attacked slovak protestore which were peacefull. This is sad and only show what some chinese think about right to protest. Chinese prezident wasn´t threaten and chinese security had no right to interwene.

there is link to video (which show only part of the incident, not the part where women was hard physically assaluted).

http://www.lidovky.cz/ochranka-cinskeho-prezidenta-napadla-demonstranty-v-bratislave-p8z-/ln_zahranici.asp?c=A090618_161013_ln_zahranici_mev

[saturnin]

note: there is another video which show how agressive chinese were:

http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/171612-delegace-cinskeho-prezidenta-se-v-bratislave-do-krve-poprala-s-demonstranty.html

slovak protestors screame police for help

[tea drinker]

For better understanding, our present communist-friendly government is the sample of the worst scum since Vladimir Meciar´s governments in mid-nineties, which behaviour that time prevented Slovakia to being accepted NATO together with neighbor countries. China, Cuba, White Russia and Vietnam are favourite destinations of our prime minister; visit to Venezuela was at last cancelled last year. But to let the Chinese agents to beat Slovak people in Bratislava capital, in front of the Presindetial palace with quiet assistence of our police is something unheard before. This is central Europe, no freaking Sudan!!

If you expect to see any different in Western countries you are wrong, in US they shot civil rights marchers, in Northern Ireland they shot them, and nobody beats French people like their own riot police, and their agents are handy if you want to sink a yacht.
Gov has it's own interest and if people don't like it they get the stick.
Sure you can bang on about Chinese, but what you have found is we are on the same distinguished road.
Completely normal for any Government to chug on foreign c0ck, the police and on rare occasions Mil are used to assault nusiance (as they see it) crowds.
On a more facts based approach, it would be interesting to see what authority and legal protection your Gov granted these agents to act in your country. It seems clear they were acting with Police support. Has the relevant minister made a statement either way? Were any legal protections offered actually legal to offer?
But if as other posters claim, they were too close to the Chinese delegation then you get a response - what do you expect. I see no video evidence of physical assult against the protestors by the Chinese, but ok they were roughly manhandled to steal their flags.
Remenber it when you vote, it's the only thing you can do. Try to keep the other drooling idiots who vote informed as well, and remind whoever voted last time what policies they are in favour of.
Off topic, but I have to say, it's actually scary how much control of important things like telcoms infra the chinese are getting in the West and "its sphere of influence"..... or lack of influnece these days.

Edit: @ the middle path
Stop whining, looks like the protestor pushed back an illegal alien attack.
(actually that is a kind of funny when I read but it's not meant to be)

[jamber]

note: there is another video which show how agressive chinese were:

http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/171612-delegace-cinskeho-prezidenta-se-v-bratislave-do-krve-poprala-s-demonstranty.html

slovak protestors screame police for help

What are the woman shouting?Slovenija?
It sounds that "hit him"in chinese.But I think it's not.

[JCR]

1. The same happened in Berlin 1989 when the Shah visited. Iranian students were lining the whole way and when protests started the iranians AND the west Berlin police started beating people up.
This day, the term "Jubelperser" for paid applause was born.

2. Despite this, I don't think too highly of all those pro-tibet/Suu Kyi/Human rights whatever protesters.
There's enough stuff going wrong in our own countries which we can actually do something against.
Joining a cause in a country far away is a good way to feel noble without actually doing anything.
If they'd really feel they have to do something, they should do it like Baron von Rosen and go there and fight.

[saturnin]

What are the woman shouting?Slovenija?
It sounds that "hit him"in chinese.But I think it's not.

she is Slovak
"help, help, stop it, help...."

[Jurinko]

JCR, I believe it was in late sixties when Shah visited Germany ;) btw, the policeman who shot a student that time was Stasi agent.

The protest was evenly aimed against our president who is the only president accepting Chinese president from the whole EU. That´s why besides few anti-chinese human rights protesters, also pro-rector of Commenius Univeristy and politicians from conservative parties attended, plus people who dislike our present red political course.

Police was obviously instructed to let Chinese do as they wished. Can you imagine that, agents of another country attacking your own people in your capital, and your police assisting them? Had this happen with let´s say Hungarian president, there would have been political war literally.

[saturnin]

1. The same happened in Berlin 1989 when the Shah visited. Iranian students were lining the whole way and when protests started the iranians AND the west Berlin police started beating people up.
This day, the term "Jubelperser" for paid applause was born.

2. Despite this, I don't think too highly of all those pro-tibet/Suu Kyi/Human rights whatever protesters.
There's enough stuff going wrong in our own countries which we can actually do something against.
Joining a cause in a country far away is a good way to feel noble without actually doing anything.
If they'd really feel they have to do something, they should do it like Baron von Rosen and go there and fight.

you are right that this will not change much. On the other hand people in Slovakia remeber communist regime a know how important is moral help from outside. Especially in Bratislava (capital where protest occured) they were able to watch TV news, radios from Austria, leasten to Svobodná Evropa etc. which helped when you feel that nobody care.....

and yes, best way how to change something is go to vote. Any Government will try to please Chinese government/president etc when they come as there is economic push for cooperation but question is how far they will go.

[PeterRJG]

What's up with the gay pride flags? What's that go to do with Hu Jintao's visit?

[Codazo]

I don´t like much "hippies" but that´s too much. Those chinese are organized and they just can´t attack anybody physically with no consequences.

So what will be the " consequences" for them ??? roflroflrofl

[saturnin]

What's up with the gay pride flags? What's that go to do with Hu Jintao's visit?

I didn´t notecied gay pride flags, but I didn´t watched carefully :)

mostly free tibet, etc.
also some red flag with marking are not pro-chinese but against communist.

[saturnin]

So what will be the " consequences" for them ??? roflroflrofl

one chinese are accused for stealing property - becouse he took transparent from one protestor. It is fun and sad at once. :):-(

[PeterRJG]

I didn´t notecied gay pride flags, but I didn´t watched carefully :)

mostly free tibet, etc.
also some red flag with marking are not pro-chinese but against communist.

http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Flag on the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_flag

[Scriptable]

http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Flag on the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_flag
Now I'm really confused.

[saturnin]

http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Flag on the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_flag

well, you seem to be right, I had no clue how gay flag look :)
maybe they searched for some new chinese member to gay comunity in Slovakia :), they probably at least get touch from some chinese man during this protests :)

[Scriptable]

well, you seem to be right, I had no clue how gay flag look :)
maybe they searched for some new chinese member to gay comunity in Slovakia :), they probably at least get touch from some chinese man during this protests :)
The Chinese guy certainly has that bukkake face look. He is ready.
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3529/bface.jpg

[tea drinker]

The Chinese guy certainly has that bukkake face look. He is ready.
Feckin great shot. Will make a nice avatar for someone

[JCR]

Gay slovak chinese protestors?
What is the world coming to....

[Lau]

"Falung Gong is good" down the stairs. (FG is some type of meditation exercises, strictly forbidden in China).



It's a religious cult.

[jamber]

http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Flag on the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_flag

I am really comfused

[jamber]

she is Slovak
"help, help, stop it, help...."

Thanks for translating ^_^

[Super Sheep]

Mao´s shock troops

Yeah thanks great rhetoric, that just threw out all your creditability ( at least for me)

I highly doubt the Chinese fighting were some super duper secret Chinese agents, polly disgruntled Chinese living aboard, students, businessmen, whatever coming to defend their side of the story. I mean sorry man, it wasn't us who tried to put out the Olympic flames, insulting our heads of state, demonizing our country and its people. I mean that's seriously what you get when you collectively piss off almost 1/4 of the world's population. You reap what you sow. Although I would have to say, I wished this would turned out a little less violent and a little more polite.

[TheMiddlePath]

Im pretty sure its a push.



How do you explain the lady with the bleeding face?

If you didnt see something does that mean it didnt or couldnt have happened?


Since when did Fa Long Gong have any credibility left ?

Yes and I saw plenty of reporters too. Probably more reporters then protesters. I am sure they could not have miss such an opportunity.

[TheMiddlePath]

To TheMiddlePath: you are posting only part photos which do not show process of conflict.

it´s true that demonstration against China was not allowed (better to say registered,- but it doesn´t mean that was against law) it only explain why police was not there at the right beginning. Other thing is that acording to witnesses Chinese suprisingly attacked slovak protestore which were peacefull. This is sad and only show what some chinese think about right to protest. Chinese prezident wasn´t threaten and chinese security had no right to interwene.

there is link to video (which show only part of the incident, not the part where women was hard physically assaluted).

http://www.lidovky.cz/ochranka-cinskeho-prezidenta-napadla-demonstranty-v-bratislave-p8z-/ln_zahranici.asp?c=A090618_161013_ln_zahranici_mev

OK...let me repeat ...slowly. The title of this thread is about Chinese agent BEATING slovak protesters.

Did you see any Chinese man BEATING any Slovak protesters ?

Why can't you admit that.

And oh....I snap the picture from Slovak media's OWN video.

[matthew.manhorn]

http://i.sme.sk/vydania/20090620/photo2/sm-0620-003f-cina4.rw.jpg

Flag on the left.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride_flag

Gay rights are limited in China, in comparison with European nations that is.

Yeah, both were idiots during these protests and the CCP had nothing to do with it, it's more of a Chinese nationalists vs European idealists war.

[saturnin]

OK...let me repeat ...slowly. The title of this thread is about Chinese agent BEATING slovak protesters.

Did you see any Chinese man BEATING any Slovak protesters ?

Why can't you admit that.

And oh....I snap the picture from Slovak media's OWN video.

I saw a few videos of accidents during china president visit. On some of them chinese man (I never wrote agent) WERE BEATING slovak protestors. I don´t know If you can read slovak o czech but on multiple on-line sources you can find description of accidents. And what they describe is same: peacefull protestors were physically attacked by chinese. It doesn´t matter if those protestors are hippes, idealistic etc. - chinese attacked them and it was NOT in selfdefence. And that is problem for me - ALL of those should be arrested and accused according to Slovak law.

it is also quit weird that you snap only pictures where somebody was defending yourself. It´s better to post whole video like me to get idea how it look like...

[Holycrusader]

Hippies like to complain a lot, but they do not have too much credibility...

[HorrigEn]

Hippies like to complain a lot, but they do not have too much credibility...

mm hm, great post.
what does this opinion have to do with the topic?

[saturnin]

Hippies like to complain a lot, but they do not have too much credibility...

one more time: There are not only "Hippies", there were credible people from different slovak public organization, Universities etc., yes there were also group which you can call Hippies etc. but they were just one of groups

you should realize that slovakia was twenty years ago under communist rule so slovaks are more sensible to to communist so they can just go to Prezident palace and demonstrate for two or more hourse. In Slovakia to protest and have transparents doesn´t make you automaticaly Hippies. During protest in 1989 most protestors were students, disidents etc. - credible people who can repeat that in they free time if they want.

As I already wrote I don´t like hippies too much. But beat them is quite different thing.

[deagle]

every country's got their diehard crazies i guess.