View Full Version : Kadyrov pledges 'cruel revenge'
Derbedeu
06-24-2009, 01:35 PM
Chechnya's President Ramzan Kadyrov has vowed a "cruel" revenge on those who tried to kill the leader of Ingushetia, during a visit to the republic.
President Yunus-Bek Yevkurov was wounded in an apparent assassination attempt on Monday.
Mr Kadyrov said on Tuesday he had been authorised by Moscow to take charge of security in Ingushetia - a prospect that alarmed some politicians there.
Mr Yevkurov remains in critical condition in hospital.
He received head and body injuries after a car packed with explosives ploughed into his convoy in the Ingush city of Nazran, in the North Caucasus.
“ I think adding additional neighbouring forces would further entangle the situation ”
Ruslan Aushev Former leader of Ingushetia
"The federal prosecutors and interior ministry will hold their investigation," Mr Kadyrov said in Ingushetia, on a visit that took some local officials by surprise on Wednesday.
"But we will have an investigation according to mountain traditions and the revenge for Yunus-Bek Yevkurov will be cruel," he said.
"I warn that the terrorists, the inhuman ones, the devils who badly wounded Yevkurov will soon regret it," he said.
Mr Kadyrov, whose own father Akhmad was killed by a bomb in 2004, has brought relative calm to Chechnya, but human rights groups accuse his militias of widespread abuses.
He has been accused of involvement in abduction and torture and a number of apparently political killings, but has always denied it.
Merger rumours
On Tuesday Mr Kadyrov said he had been ordered by Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev to run operations in both countries.
He told *******: "He told me to intensify actions... including in Ingushetia. I will personally control the operations... and I am sure in the near future there will be good results."
But Ingush officials insisted they remained in charge of security, and dismissed rumours that the two republics would be merged, as they were in Soviet times.
"All moves to ensure stability in Ingushetia will be co-ordinated by the operation headquarters of Ingushetia," Mr Yevkurov's spokesman said.
And Ruslan Aushev, who ruled Ingushetia from 1992-2001, said: "I think adding additional neighbouring forces would further entangle the situation there. If they want to complicate the situation then this is what to do."
Mr Aushev said he would be willing to take charge of Ingushetia while Mr Yevkurov recovered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/default.stm
What do our Russian friends think?
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 01:50 PM
Well as much of a butcher as Ramzan Kadyrov is, he gets the job done. These North Caucasian conflicts are mostly clan wars since Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia are clan-based societies. The Kadyrov family clan is one of the biggest, luckily he is allied with Moscow so he can deal with some of these problems without us having to send our young 19 year-old recruits to that region again.
It is without doubt that if he finds the perpetrators of the Assassination attempt he will deal with them the "Chechen way", which is typically cruel and merciless. My personal suspicion that behind all this latest instability which is resurging in the Caucasus is Dokku Umarov, basically the only large Chechen leader who has not been killed or assasinated yet since the Second Chechen War, he was the right hand of Shamil Basayev and rumored to have planned and executed the Beslan attacks. Lets see if Kadyrov's henchmen will be able to solve this.
Personally I think the assassination attempt on the Ingusheti president was a major and relatively basic FSB oversight. First of all, important convoys such as these always purposely change their plans. Usually they leave 30 minutes earlier or later than planned, and sometimes Change roads last minute for safety reasons. Most likely someone within his security surroundings leaked information out to the terrorists which were then able to track his movements. Secondly, his security should have stopped and checked the car which was suspiciously idling on the side of the road. Any competent security agency would have done so.
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 01:53 PM
Kadyrov is a puppet tyran, he sold his country and he is still a butcher in Chechnya...
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Kadyrov is a puppet tyran, he sold his country and he is still a butcher in Chechnya...
Lol, Chechnya is not a country, it's a region.
Secondly, there are lots of these so called "puppet tyrans" you speak of. They usually hold positions in the Chechen government or the MVD (ministry of internal affairs), or "elite police", so to speak which keep order in Chechnya. Mind you most of these "puppet tyrans" were former Insurgent leaders, including Kadyrov himself, who wanted to put an end to the bloodshed which was going on from both sides.
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 05:25 PM
In my vision and chechen nation vision, Chechenya it's a country and not a region of Rassia Federatia.
User_Name
06-24-2009, 05:53 PM
In my vision and chechen nation vision, Chechenya it's a country and not a region of Rassia Federatia.
In your vision, do not speak for chechens. They made their dessicion, mister smart ass.:)
Derbedeu
06-24-2009, 06:00 PM
Technically isn't it something in between? By it's very definition a federation implies a union of states who voluntarily unify, but the federal government, while powerful, cannot overrule the states on certain issues (states rights). And Russia is technically the Russian Federation.
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 06:00 PM
In your vision, do not speak for chechens. They made their dessicion, mister smart ass.:)
My afirmation is well documentated mister smart di*k:), and what decission did they?What did decided?
User_Name
06-24-2009, 06:11 PM
My afirmation is well documentated mister smart di*k:), and what decission did they?What did decided?
So please show me your documents?
About their decission, they decided to stay by mother Russia, prove me wrong, mister smart d_ick!
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 06:12 PM
So please show me your documents?
About their decission, they decided to stay by mother Russia, prove me wrong, mister smart d_ick!
The question is who decided for them?Cause the chechen nation, the regular chechen people didn't!
User_Name
06-24-2009, 06:20 PM
The question is who decided for them?
Yes they were all forced to make such decission, leaving like in middle ages was so fun for them.
You know what a chechenisation means?, today all wahhabi scums are killed not by russians but by chechens and they are very good at it.
Im waiting for your documentation:roll:
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 06:32 PM
Yes they were all forced to make such decission, leaving like in middle ages was so fun for them.
You know what a chechenisation means?, today all wahhabi scums are killed not by russians but by chechens and they are very good at it.
Im waiting for your documentation:roll:
You are free to search for yourself interviews and documentaries about Chechenya.
They live in the middle age?Yes they are, but why?Because of the war!And why that war?Because they want to be independent as a nation!Did you saw the massacre from Beslan documentary?
Do you know that in Chechenya where killed 40.000 kids?Do you know that in Chechenya the private military of this puppet butcher are murdering everyday people?Why are still dying people in Chechenya?Do you know how many kids from Chechnya dosen't have fathers?Don't be a hypocrite..
And it's hard to belive that the chechen nation chosed to be with their war enemy Russia, it's hard to belive that the people from chechnya dosn't want to be independet as a country and a nation, it's hard to belive that the chechen nation who was butchered many years, chosed to be with the people who slayed them.
Why all the chechen and old presidents and people from the governemen (cosiderated rebels by russian govt), where asassinated.
The human rights in Checheny still dose not exists, under the Russian federation, so how can you say that the chechen nation want's to stay with Rassia, and don't want to be independent?How can you say that the chechen nation dosen't want to live free and do what they want with their country and lives!Who chosed for them?A govt. established by Russia!
abhaz
06-24-2009, 06:36 PM
You are free to search for yourself interviews and documentaries about Chechenya.
They live in the middle age?Yes they are, but why?Because of the war!And why that war?Because they want to be independent as a nation!Did you saw the massacre from Beslan documentary?
Do you know that in Chechenya where killed 40.000 kids?Do you know that in Chechenya the private military of this puppet butcher are murdering everyday people?Why are still dying people in Chechenya?Do you know how many kids from Chechnya dosen't have fathers?Don't be a hypocrite..
And it's hard to belive that the chechen nation chosed to be with their war enemy Russia, it's hard to belive that the people from chechnya dosn't want to be independet as a country and a nation, it's hard to belive that the chechen nation who was butchered many years, chosed to be with the people who slayed them.
Why all the chechen and old presidents and people from the governemen (cosiderated rebels by russian govt), where asassinated.
The human rights in Checheny still dose not exists, under the Russian federation, so how can you say that the chechen nation want's to stay with Rassia, and don't want to be independent?How can you say that the chechen nation dosen't want to live free and do what they want with their country and lives!
Dauxure ? Not those georgians again under a mask :-(
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 06:40 PM
Dauxure ? Not those georgians again under a mask :-(
oh Lord... I thought this forum was better at "cleaning up", but apparently these youtube trolls found their way into here as well. lol
Also, Chechens were on the frontline fighting Georgia in August of 2008.
And yes you are correct, Chechnya is a region-state, Darbedeu. They have their own government composed of ethnic Chechens.
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 06:49 PM
oh Lord... I thought this forum was better at "cleaning up", but apparently these youtube trolls found their way into here as well. lol
Also, Chechens were on the frontline fighting Georgia in August of 2008.
And yes you are correct, Chechnya is a region-state, Darbedeu. They have their own government composed of ethnic Chechens.
Course they where, i'm doubt they where unable to fight with the georgians as long they are able to slay their own chechen brothers at the orders of Kadyrov.
And true, they have their own government, but their government ruled by Russia.
The govt of Cambodia where composed by ethnic cambodians under the regime of Pol Pot, and the exemples list could be long.
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 07:01 PM
Course they where, i'm doubt they where unable to fight with the georgians as long they are able to slay their own chechen brothers at the orders of Kadyrov.
And true, they have their own government, but their government ruled by Russia.
The govt of Cambodia where composed by ethnic cambodians under the regime of Pol Pot, and the exemples list could be long.
Or the regime of Saakashvili in Georgia :) dictators are easy to find these days
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 07:10 PM
Or the regime of Saakashvili in Georgia :) dictators are easy to find these days
I'm agree with you, dictators are easy to find these days:), my opinion is that Saakashvili is not a dictator, i think Saakashvili is just a stupid president who proceded before thinking wisely, action wich brought his nation to catastrophic results.
The Balkan
06-24-2009, 07:22 PM
So please show me your documents?
About their decission, they decided to stay by mother Russia, prove me wrong, mister smart d_ick!
Mother Russia? For Chechens?
rofl
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 07:23 PM
Point is, Chechnya has made it's choice already. Kadyrov and his men are there to keep order. Although he is a henchmen we can see results, no more war in Chechnya.
Just small explosions of violence that are dealt with by police forces.
Cornelius
06-24-2009, 07:28 PM
To keep order?To send to kill or prison everyone who is against his regime?To kill everyone who says that want's freedome and independecy?
As i said, chechenya nation did not made that choice, i'v brought you arguments why not, and you could see that too in the documentaris made about chechnya (except russian documentarys)
The Balkan
06-24-2009, 07:34 PM
Point is, Chechnya has made it's choice already. Kadyrov and his men are there to keep order. Although he is a henchmen we can see results, no more war in Chechnya.
Just small explosions of violence that are dealt with by police forces.
I understand what you're saying, but we both know the type of "order" we're talking about is of the Sadam, Ayatolah and Idi Amin kind. Brutal, bloody and cruel. The guys a psycho, as it's been said a million times by both ethnic Russians and Chechens.
You seem to not care though, as long as the "mountain people" are kept quiet. Wellif history shows anything, especialy in this region, those people don't stay quiet for long.
Russianlynxy
06-24-2009, 08:30 PM
I understand what you're saying, but we both know the type of "order" we're talking about is of the Sadam, Ayatolah and Idi Amin kind. Brutal, bloody and cruel. The guys a psycho, as it's been said a million times by both ethnic Russians and Chechens.
You seem to not care though, as long as the "mountain people" are kept quiet. Wellif history shows anything, especialy in this region, those people don't stay quiet for long.
Jeez you make us seem like monsters almost. No, not at all. I want the "mountain people" to be happy and stable. I think the amount of money Russian taxpayers have poured into restoring Grozny and other Chechen cities is a decent indication of this. In fact the biggest Mosque in Europe was built in Grozny after the war. If you look at Grozny now it's truly an appealing and modern place, just reflective of how much funding has gone into it. Schools, Stores, religious shrines... you name it.
Also, from my understanding most Chechens are pretty much done with fighting, I'm sure there are those who just want to live in peace and raise their families. As far as the outlaws active in the Caucasus right now they need to be dealt with swiftly, as their hit-and-run tactics are an attempt to raise a past chapter in our history that most Russians nor Chechens want to go back to.
Red_Rage
06-24-2009, 08:36 PM
To keep order?To send to kill or prison everyone who is against his regime?To kill everyone who says that want's freedome and independecy?
As i said, chechenya nation did not made that choice, i'v brought you arguments why not, and you could see that too in the documentaris made about chechnya (except russian documentarys)
Would you rather see a pre-Kadyrov Chechenya with psychotic mullahs, pseudo-Sharia public executions, slave markets, gun markets and over a 1000 kidnappings a year (with half of them from neighbouring Russian territories)?
Russian made documentaries on Chechenya are, as a rule, much better than anything that comes out of the West on this topic. It was a dirty war, and noone is denying it - but whitewashing Chechens as selfless freedom fighers is plain wrong as well.
Jeez you make us seem like monsters almost. No, not at all. I want the "mountain people" to be happy and stable. I think the amount of money Russian taxpayers have poured into restoring Grozny and other Chechen cities is a decent indication of this. In fact the biggest Mosque in Europe was built in Grozny after the war. If you look at Grozny now it's truly an appealing and modern place, just reflective of how much funding has gone into it. Schools, Stores, religious shrines... you name it.
Also, from my understanding most Chechens are pretty much done with fighting, I'm sure there are those who just want to live in peace and raise their families. As far as the outlaws active in the Caucasus right now they need to be dealt with swiftly, as their hit-and-run tactics are an attempt to raise a past chapter in our history that most Russians nor Chechens want to go back to.
Spoken like a true 19th century colonialist.
sepheronx
06-24-2009, 08:41 PM
Chechnya now is a lot better then before, and is probably 10x better then it would be if it was a single country. Development is rising in the country, investors from foreign countries looking to Russia, are looking at Chechnya. It will do very well, and probably grow in population, then eventually, you will see Chechens all over Russia.
Flamming_Python
06-24-2009, 10:03 PM
Do you know that in Chechenya where killed 40.000 kids?Do you know that in Chechenya the private military of this puppet butcher are murdering everyday people?Why are still dying people in Chechenya?Do you know how many kids from Chechnya dosen't have fathers?Don't be a hypocrite..
And it's hard to belive that the chechen nation chosed to be with their war enemy Russia, it's hard to belive that the people from chechnya dosn't want to be independet as a country and a nation, it's hard to belive that the chechen nation who was butchered many years, chosed to be with the people who slayed them.
You are obviously very knowledgable about Chechnya. Would you kindly inform me about how the Chechen people felt about staying the USSR in the 80's? Don't bother trying to find out; you won't find such information in any documentary. As for why they decided to split; I would hazard a guess that it was part of the same wave of Eastern European nationalistic forces that took control of your country, not to mention our own domestic low-lifes sitting in the Kremlin at the time. In Chechnya's case it was an armed and violent minority that slaughtered their way to the top, expelled all the experianced Soviet politicians from the republic and then plunged the country into an ever-increasing spiral of violence, ultra-nationalism, economic collapse and clan warfare. Dudayev was good at blowing hot air and making passionate speeches, but as an administrator he was absolutely $hit; his illegitimate government wasn't able to provide even the most basic services to its population.
Spare all the bleeding heart talk about the poor Chechen people; do you really give a crap about them or do you simply support them because they are fighting against Russia? Must be so great sitting in your comfy chair, whining about how imperialistic the Russians are, and how great and rich Eastern Europe, the Caucauses, etc... would be without us and our country. But you fail to realise that the quality of life is always going to be better inside Russia than right outside its borders. The same Kadyrov that you are complaining about, is simply eclipsed and dwarfed by opponents in terms of brutality and butchery. Dudayev, Mashkhadov, Basayev, Umarov... I only have to name a few names, but if these are the very same people that you would prefer to have won this war, than I can think of little to say to you. Certainly we safely disregard all the claptrap you wrote about freedom and democracy, which are pretty much BS concepts anyway; 100% of the whole world is controlled by one form of elite/oligarchy/dictatorship or another; the only difference is that of to what an extent they appease their own people.
This is the ad i get, I wonder how Kadyrov is going to fix my electrcity bill
http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CLPu2bfQ-JPmqwEQ2AUYWjIIFgGiY428fz0
This is the ad i get, I wonder how Kadyrov is going to fix my electrcity bill
http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CLPu2bfQ-JPmqwEQ2AUYWjIIFgGiY428fz0
He'll have a nice "chat" to the electricity company, and they will reach an "agreement" if you will p-)
Russianlynxy
06-25-2009, 12:33 AM
This is the ad i get, I wonder how Kadyrov is going to fix my electrcity bill
send "Kadyrovtsy" after your electricity provider of course ;)
sarhat
06-25-2009, 02:51 AM
turn on.
begin scan.
...independent...
...human rights...
...freedome...
...independecy...
scan accomplished.
diagnose: Chak Norris
The Balkan
06-25-2009, 04:12 AM
You are obviously very knowledgable about Chechnya. Would you kindly inform me about how the Chechen people felt about staying the USSR in the 80's? Don't bother trying to find out; you won't find such information in any documentary. As for why they decided to split; I would hazard a guess that it was part of the same wave of Eastern European nationalistic forces that took control of your country, not to mention our own domestic low-lifes sitting in the Kremlin at the time. In Chechnya's case it was an armed and violent minority that slaughtered their way to the top, expelled all the experianced Soviet politicians from the republic and then plunged the country into an ever-increasing spiral of violence, ultra-nationalism, economic collapse and clan warfare. Dudayev was good at blowing hot air and making passionate speeches, but as an administrator he was absolutely $hit; his illegitimate government wasn't able to provide even the most basic services to its population.
Spare all the bleeding heart talk about the poor Chechen people; do you really give a crap about them or do you simply support them because they are fighting against Russia? Must be so great sitting in your comfy chair, whining about how imperialistic the Russians are, and how great and rich Eastern Europe, the Caucauses, etc... would be without us and our country. But you fail to realise that the quality of life is always going to be better inside Russia than right outside its borders. The same Kadyrov that you are complaining about, is simply eclipsed and dwarfed by opponents in terms of brutality and butchery. Dudayev, Mashkhadov, Basayev, Umarov... I only have to name a few names, but if these are the very same people that you would prefer to have won this war, than I can think of little to say to you. Certainly we safely disregard all the claptrap you wrote about freedom and democracy, which are pretty much BS concepts anyway; 100% of the whole world is controlled by one form of elite/oligarchy/dictatorship or another; the only difference is that of to what an extent they appease their own people.
Lawl Gotta love the Russians!
Cornelius
06-25-2009, 05:57 AM
You convinced me people, the chechen nation loves the russian nation (for them dosen't matter that they lost their families killed by "russian peacekeepers" in a war for their independece, for them dosen't matter that died 40.000 kids, 250.000 people...for them dosen't matter that they their kids lost their fathers.
I'm sure they want to be with "mother russia" especialy rulled by the man of Moscow (Kadyrov), they love to be slaugthered, they love to lose their childs. Chechenya become an still is a black hole under the regime of Kadyrov.
I'm sure none of you russians would not be pleased if you would lose your childs everyday!Why don't you understand that chechnya it's not your land.Shame on you people cause you support the brutal decission and the massacre of inoccent people, made by your government!
User_Name
06-25-2009, 05:57 AM
You are free to search for yourself interviews and documentaries about Chechenya.
So as i thought, you have nothing.
They live in the middle age?Yes they are, but why?Because of the war!And why that war?Because they want to be independent as a nation!
To be independent to have slave markets or to kidnapping people, yes today they are forced not to do such bad things:).
Do you know that in Chechenya where killed 40.000 kids?
Urban myths are still a live, why not millions?
And it's hard to belive that the chechen nation chosed to be with their war enemy Russia, it's hard to belive that the people from chechnya dosn't want to be independet as a country and a nation, it's hard to belive that the chechen nation who was butchered many years, chosed to be with the people who slayed them.
Why all the chechen and old presidents and people from the governemen (cosiderated rebels by russian govt), where asassinated.
The human rights in Checheny still dose not exists, under the Russian federation, so how can you say that the chechen nation want's to stay with Rassia, and don't want to be independent?How can you say that the chechen nation dosen't want to live free and do what they want with their country and lives!Who chosed for them?A govt. established by Russia!
And after that you really think i would take you serious? Shows only that you have no clue about the conflict.
Snoshi
06-25-2009, 06:06 AM
Chechnya now is a lot better then before, and is probably 10x better then it would be if it was a single country. Development is rising in the country, investors from foreign countries looking to Russia, are looking at Chechnya. It will do very well, and probably grow in population, then eventually, you will see Chechens all over Russia.
Lol wut.. Who the fk wants to make business in Chechnya? Especially when he is not a Russian?
Chechnya is and will always remain a **** hole.. Just because central Grozny looks good on photos does not make the hole country "improved".
And if you have been in Russia you should know that Chechen's are already everywhere.
User_Name
06-25-2009, 06:10 AM
And if you have been in Russia you should know that Chechen's are already everywhere.
How can they, they were slaughtered by russians and today you can find them everywhere in Russia, how about their independencep-)
Cornelius
06-25-2009, 06:14 AM
I'm lucky that you know alot about confilict, amnesty international and human watch rights reports are still myths?
sarhat
06-25-2009, 06:20 AM
amnesty international and human watch rights reports are still myths?
What is this? Never heard...
Red_Rage
06-25-2009, 08:23 AM
turn on.
begin scan.
scan accomplished.
diagnose: Chak Norris
That is no Chuck....but rather *drumroll*
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3273/1197730667novodvorskaya.jpg
Rictor
06-25-2009, 11:05 AM
When Kadyrov vows "cruel revenge" - ****, that's the stuff of nightmares. From what I've read, "butcher" doesn't begin to do justice to this guy.
PeterRJG
06-25-2009, 11:07 AM
That is no Chuck....but rather *drumroll*
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3273/1197730667novodvorskaya.jpg
^^^
Translation, pretty please?
Russianlynxy
06-25-2009, 11:13 AM
^^^
Translation, pretty please?
"You are all idiots, don't even try to cure yourself. The only smart one here is me, in my white overcoat, standing tall." :)
Red_Rage
06-25-2009, 01:57 PM
"You are all idiots, don't even try to cure yourself. The only smart one here is me, in my white overcoat, standing tall." :)
"....Standing all beautiful." <- Important detail p-)
Mousepad
06-25-2009, 03:01 PM
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3273/1197730667novodvorskaya.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/Hypnotoad.png
WCF.KAS
06-25-2009, 05:09 PM
The average chechen might be living adverse poverty and fear but atleast Ramzan and all his homies are "ballin outta control"
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Here's the full list of the lux-mobiles in Kadyrov's motorcade:
- BMW 530i
- BMW 530i
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Mercedes-Benz S-class
- Mercedes-Benz S-class
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Porsche Cayenne
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Lexus LX 470
- Porsche Cayenne
- Lexus LX 470
Russianlynxy
06-25-2009, 05:27 PM
The average chechen might be living adverse poverty and fear but atleast Ramzan and all his homies are "ballin outta control"
I guess they have no one to blame but themselves. The Kadyrov clan was smart and now they have everything, money and power.
As far as the motorcade... there are many people in Russia who drive BMW and Lexus, so that's not really a good argument.
WCF.KAS
06-25-2009, 05:39 PM
I guess they have no one to blame but themselves. The Kadyrov clan was smart and now they have everything, money and power.
Not saying Umarov and Basayev would have been better. Kadyrov is a hilarious, heavily armed ,murderous dufus and his exploits are both entertaining and saddening at the same time.
Cornelius
06-25-2009, 05:43 PM
I guess they have no one to blame but themselves. The Kadyrov clan was smart and now they have everything, money and power.
As far as the motorcade... there are many people in Russia who drive BMW and Lexus, so that's not really a good argument.
The Kadyrov clan it's supported by Putin and Russia.
WCF.KAS
06-25-2009, 05:51 PM
I guess they have no one to blame but themselves. The Kadyrov clan was smart and now they have everything, money and power.
As far as the motorcade... there are many people in Russia who drive BMW and Lexus, so that's not really a good argument.
As for russians and people from former soviet republics liking bmws and benzes and lexuses I live in Los Angeles believe me I know p-)
The imbed isn't working, but Kadyrov also has a multi million dollar lamborghini reventon, a host of private sports cars etc...
It doesn't really help his image as a materialistic, bloodthirsty warlord
Russianlynxy
06-25-2009, 06:42 PM
As for russians and people from former soviet republics liking bmws and benzes and lexuses I live in Los Angeles believe me I know p-)
The imbed isn't working, but Kadyrov also has a multi million dollar lamborghini reventon, a host of private sports cars etc...
It doesn't really help his image as a materialistic, bloodthirsty warlord
Oh no doubt, I'm not denying the guy's an asshole, he is. But he is OUR asshole and his actions keep war from re-erupting in that region on of the world again, which is probably best at this time.
Red_Rage
06-25-2009, 07:27 PM
As for russians and people from former soviet republics liking bmws and benzes and lexuses I live in Los Angeles believe me I know p-)
The imbed isn't working, but Kadyrov also has a multi million dollar lamborghini reventon, a host of private sports cars etc...
It doesn't really help his image as a materialistic, bloodthirsty warlord
I think Ramzy is trying to move more towards materialistic than bloodthirsty lately, sort of re-branding himself. All his statements lately are about Federal law and how it should be followed to the letter (even criticizing other regional leaders for their shanagans), he even changed the good old tracksuit for a suit. Basically, IMHO, his current goal is to legitimize the current government, create a class of Chechen political elite, and legitimize those elites in Western Europe primarily (similarly to current Russian oligarchy, but with a Chechen twist). It will take time, but looking at Kosovo, even the worst war criminals can become legitimized ministers.
sarhat
06-26-2009, 03:43 AM
I think, that Kadyrov smart guy.
He fought against federal forces in first chechen war, but till second change his mind.
And now, naturally, he building what he fought for in Chechnya: peoples there live under another law then rest of Russia. And they have huge subsidy from centre.
sarhat
06-26-2009, 04:00 AM
Veni
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Vidi
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Vici
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Kadyrov is a necessary evil. At this point in time, its either him, or chaos on Chechnya. Down the line a few years, more options may become available, but at the moment, whatever keeps Chechnya out of Moscow's hair is good enough.
Whatever the cost is for Moscow to keep Kadyrov loyal, such as expensive sports cars etc, is peanuts compared to what it would cost to conduct major military operations again in Chechnya.
Russianlynxy
06-26-2009, 10:51 AM
Kadyrov is a necessary evil. At this point in time, its either him, or chaos on Chechnya. Down the line a few years, more options may become available, but at the moment, whatever keeps Chechnya out of Moscow's hair is good enough.
Whatever the cost is for Moscow to keep Kadyrov loyal, such as expensive sports cars etc, is peanuts compared to what it would cost to conduct major military operations again in Chechnya.
well said.
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