USMC Boot = Danner Boot?

[digitalghost]

Hey guys if you dont already know about the new USMC Boot read this:

http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/7_16/national_news/16167-1.html

Now I was just wondering how one could get a hold of these new USMC Boots--- But then I saw the "Danner Acadia" Desert Boots and they looked almost exactly the same-- Did Danner make the USMC Boots then released their own version without the USMC Logo? Hmmmmmm




REAL USMC BOOT SHOWN WITH USMC LOGO:

http://www.specwargear.com/images/footwear-usmc%20marpat%20boot%201.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/footwear-usmc%20marpat%20boot%202.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/footwear.html


DANNER ACADIAS:

http://www.uscav.com/prodInfo/enlarged/22170L.jpg

http://www.uscav.com/shop/uscitemdetail.asp?stk_code=WA22170

[ESCOBAR]

They should wear a pair of Timbs fo real.

[James]

I think the USMC boots are made under contract by Matterhorn - very similar to Danner. Hard to say, though. I got out before they were issued.

[SABER 2-3]

None of the military issue boots come near Danner quality. But any boot incorporating Danner/Matterhorn features must be pretty alright. As for me and my team-mates we all wear Danners.

[Beowulf]

do you find the danners getting hot during summertime?

I've got matterhorns great for winter and keeping my feet dry but are heavier and hotter than my jungle's.

[gunner]

The new Marine boots are made by Belleville

[SABER 2-3]

My current area of operations is tropical (95-105 degrees) and YES THE DANNERS HOT! But not so much hotter than jungle boots that they are a no-go. Many of us also wear Oakley assault/Bates Falcons/GSG-9 boots in this same area (METT-T)

[Beowulf]

how are the oakley's I believed them to be all "hype"....but i've been wrong before....not often but it's happened :D
-b

[SABER 2-3]

I don't wear them so this is from fellow team-mates. Some guys say they really blow (more say that than not) and some (the guys on the test program) seem to love them. They are nothing more than kevlar/nomex treated Hi-techs in my opinion. Bates put out a boot called the Falcon (a GSG-9 rip-off ) that has many of us saying GOOD TO GO. Falcons are all that GSG-9's are w/ the addition of padding for CQC and fastrope ops.

[Royal]

Has anyone used the Danner (desert boot, not the accadia - I've got a pair, great boots for NW Europe or Balkan winters)?

Altama's (desert & jungle) are great camp boots (IMHO) but have no cushioning/support for road running field work - I'm looking for something better, for when I finally get out of this bloody office.

Don't like Matterhorns (I've got wide feet and they never fit me properly).

[SABER 2-3]

I still like standard OG jungle boots for road marching (add ripple soles for rucking around sand) I add my own inserts to increase comfort. Other guys tear out the steel plates for better fit (I heat mine for custom fit). I like the desert boot for all around range and CQC work due to good feel. Danner Acadias are just great all around boots, the fact that they are gore-tex dosn't hurt either.

[ibstolidude]

I swear by my Altama jungle boots for almost any weather except extreme cold then I either remove the inserts and add the old cheesy "seal skin" socks ( :oops: I'm a dork) for damp protection. If too cold I use a couple of pairs of Matterhorn ATDs I bought years ago... I too like Danner quality but I have a narrow foot.

The best boots I have owned are Montrail hiking boots and I wear them when ever I am away from the flag pole I just dye them the right color...they come in either tan and black or green and black..you also need to sand the shiny eyelets and Mnu or paint them..they are like heaven for my frost bite, toenails missing, no-circulation having, nappy-ass feet. I have done 22k while down range, going up rocky mountain terrain in full gear and a pretty brisk pace in those babys, and still walked around the rest of the day in them when I got back.

But then again I'm also one of those dorks that when it is really wet doesn't were socks in his jungle boots...

But the best boot of all time is the "frankenstieners" and the "mickey mouse boots" nothing like a wearing ballons on your feet - hurray for vapor barriers

[Royal]

Thanks guys; I wear 'Sorbothane' insoles in my Altama's, but I still hate them for anything other than wearing in the office on camp or going from Land Cruiser to cafe in a Balkan summer!

Anyone else got any views on the new Danners?

[digitalghost]

Did you say its made by belleville? Where did you get that intelligence? If so then this is the "belleville" desert boot I found:




http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/boot_images/790desst_zoom.jpg

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/790seriesfed.htm

http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/federal/federal_5.htm#7
Whether thats "it" or not I don't know-- But I do know that both the USMC Desert Boot and this "Belleville" Desert Boot both has 1)Similar Colour 2)Is GORETEX! 3)Features the Vibram Sole which is more comfortable than the Army Combat Leather Boot Sole but more rugged than the Panama Jungle Boot Sole

According to my sources below in both Afghanistan and Iraq the preferred boot was/is the new USMC Desert Boot(probably for its rugged Vibram sole) instead of the Panama Solf-Soled Desert boot---


IRAQ

Soldiers were generally dissatisfied with the performance of the Desert Combat Boot. The soles were too soft and were easily damaged by the terrain. This seemed to be more of a problem for the boots manufactured by Altama( http://altama.com/milspec/4156.htm ). Many spent their own money to have the boots resoled with VIBRAM soles with mixed success. Soldiers found the Belleville boots(???) to be very comfortable but too hot for this environment. The Marine Corps Desert Boot has a very good reputation

http://www.sftt.org/article06102003a.html

Whats the difference between Belleville and USMC Desert Boots?


AFGHANISTAN

Operation Anaconda was conducted at high altitudes, and Soldiers complained their desert boots were not suited to the task. Some had desert boots that fell apart in a week or two. The sides of the boots ripped out. The sole was too soft for the rocky terrain

Army equipment officials are about to issue $11 million worth of new gear to Paratroopers headed for Afghanistan.

Beginning Nov. 15, the 82nd Airborne Division's next brigade in line for duty in Afghanistan - the 2nd and 3rd battalions of the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment along with the 2nd Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment - will be outfitted with a new generation of Kevlar helmets and light-weight long underwear normally issued to special operations units, among other items.

The move is part of a rapid-fielding concept the officials are developing as a result of lessons-learned studies conducted in Afghanistan in the spring and summer.

Soldiers from the XVIII Airborne Corps' three light divisions - 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry), the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) and the 82nd - provided feedback for the studies that often criticized some current equipment items as ineffective in combat situations.

The equipment officials said the special issue of equipment is possible since most of the items are either in use by special operations units or have already been developed and are scheduled for future fielding for combat units.

Program Executive Office Soldier, a new office recently formed to oversee the development of equipment and weapon systems issued to Soldiers, will issue each Soldier items such as A pair of Air Force Flyer boots and a pair of marine corps desert boots. Both feature a more rugged sole than the current-issue desert boot. Soldiers serving in Afghanistan have experienced excessive wear problems with the current desert boot

http://www.geocities.com/usarmyafghangearproblems/

Whats "USAF Flyer Boots"?

Anyone know what boots are used for Ruck Marching in Ranger School? Since only 2 kinds of boots are allowed such as the Combat Leather and Black Jungle I'm guessing the Combat Leather because roads may be too hard for Black Jungle-- Thanks

<u>Question Summary</u>

1. How do you know USMC Boots are Belleville?
2. Difference betwene USMC and Belleville Boots?
3. Whats USAF Flyer Boots?
4. What boot is used @ Ranger School (Combat Leather or Black Jungle)?

[...]

Belleville does make the new boots and so does Bates.

[Salty Dog]

i have only one pair of boots and those are the altima desert boots. i wear them all the time, not just in the summer. i don't know really how they do it, but my feet don't get cold when i wear them in the winter. but i am looking forward to getting a pair of the new usmc boots.

[Royal]

Do the new USMC boots all have steel toe caps? Just checked the Belleville website & most of their boots have.

We're not allowed steel toe caps becuase of possible crush injuries?! Wear them and loose your toes and no compensation...

[Bootneck]

USAF Flyers Boot - http://www.bellevilleshoe.com/bootseries/790seriesfed.htm

The MARINE CORPS COMBAT BOOT is in fact made by Belleville. How do I know? 'Cause that's what the tag says when you take it out of the box.

[...]

I think both are pieces of crap. The hot weater boots (Bates) change color permanently after you get them muddy once and the Marine Corps Combat Boots (Bellevilles) stiching tends to fall apart.

[warchild1/27scout]

hey where could i purchase a pair of danner boots or matterhorn boots if i was'nt around any military bases. i live in kc,mo. and the closest base is ft. leavenworth. are there any civilian businesses that carry that type of boot. i guess i could get my lazy arse up there to leavenworth if not. thanks. sorry if that was off subject.

[Duke]

No. 521 Royal the steel toed boot. Just the 521 is steel.

[James]

Warchild -

Danners at www.danner.com
Matterhorns at www.coveshoe.com

[digitalghost]

Also:

http://www.uscav.com
http://www.actiongear.com

[SABER 2-3]

Digitalghost: The Ranger Training Brigade authorizes Jungle boots only for temprate purposes and the Florida phase. The leather combat boot is authorized all year. You could bring 4 sets of boots in some cases (ie a winter class but you feel you need jungles for Florida) Just worry about them fitting not what kind they are. I swear to you you wont be worried about your stlye of boots on a graded movement when your acting P.L.

STOLI,
Tell me more about these commercial hiking boots you like, I love the civilian boots that are shorter and more wearer friendly.

[digitalghost]

Leather combat sole is kinda harsh dont you think compared to marine corps' infantry combat/desert boots with thos Vibram soles? They don't even allow one to resole the combt leather to vibram-- Think I should just train with the combat leather/black jungles so I would get used to it? Are those considered the official "training" boots i.e. basic/jump/rip/ranger school/ranger competition etc. If that's so why do they sometmes not use the above boots and use thier own boots when not in training?

[SABER 2-3]

Don't know why buddy, just know what. Most schools require the Black leather combat boot (issue style) the RGR ans ABN departments require that said boots not be modified in any way to include vibram soles.

[digitalghost]

Yea funny how USMC's standard issue boot happen to have the Vibram soles and are using that for Ranger School heh :)

[ibstolidude]

saber - you can go to montrail on the web - I just checked - I have had GREAT success with the torre line of boots I use them almost every day... I have worn them with weight, but not in areas with constant mosture so...not sure how they feel in a wet area.

They look a little different than mine but mine are a year old (bad). Also fyi I have a very, long narrow (which means a very disapointed women) foot , and they were able to accomodate.

[warchild1/27scout]

thanks james and digitalghost. woot

[SABER 2-3]

Yea funny how USMC's standard issue boot happen to have the Vibram soles and are using that for Ranger School heh :)

Marines attending army schools also wear tan BDU belts, try it if you dare.