The coming Invasion(s)

[Rossdobby]

So I have been noticing in the middle east that the United States has two major theaters of operation Iraq and Afghanistan. Both of these nations are neighboring the biggest bully in the middle east Iran. Iran is thought to be producing nuclear weapon capabilities Even though the West has applied sanctions it has not deterred them from their goals. Lets not for get the Democratic Republic of North Korea do not let its name fool you it is a complete communist dictatorship still following in the foot steps of 1950's Stalinism. This tiny korea nation houses one of the largest armies in the world even though lacking in technology or even decent equipment. It has tested its nuclear capabilities before they have the bomb but no means to deliver it short or long range It is highly secluded from the rest of the world and its people are force fed propaganda to hate the west and the south.

These two nations posse massive problems for us in the future. They have or soon will have the ability to cause destruction on a scale larger then hiroshima or nagasaki. They have voiced there opinions time and time again calling for our annihilation. Even though GWB invaded Iraq on the grounds that they had weapons of mass destruction and were a credible threat to the free world. Those claims were found untrue and now we sit in the middle of a war we should never have been in. However Iran and North Korea do and will posse a great threat to the lives of many especially Isreal, South korea, Japan and America's armed forces.

I would propose that we target these two nations entire government and military infastructure giving the people a chance to secure there freedom without us having to stay for a long period of time. thoughts?

[Laworkerbee]

thoughts?

Yeah, I don't believe you're a Canadian.

[Jiggy]

lol................................

[Drain-O]

The US should definitely back another Iranian revolution/coup, it worked so well the last time.

[Hialeah]

well
/thread

[FlintHillBilly]

now we sit in the middle of a war we should never have been in.


My thoughts, your opinion.

[Scriptable]

North Korea survives in its present state only because China ensures it does. An attack on North Korea would be an attack on China. That's a war you want to avoid.

[Elbs]

North Korea survives in its present state only because China ensures it does. An attack on North Korea would be an attack on China. That's a war you want to avoid.

QFT. remember what happened the last time we bounced up to their border?

[Twelve]

Iran and North Korea should keep the balance of power until Russia rebuilds its empire to counter American imperialism

[FlintHillBilly]

Iran and North Korea should keep the balance of power until Russia rebuilds its empire to counter American imperialism

Hey, u should stick to abovetopsecret.. imperialism is soo 1800's.

[Proudgrandson]

Iran and North Korea should keep the balance of power until Russia rebuilds its empire to counter American imperialism

So the Russian Empire wasn't Imperialist then?

Damn where were we going wrong?

[Twelve]

So the Russian Empire wasn't Imperialist then?

its not a justification to tolerate American imperialism just because an another power can be an imperialist too. besides, having two imperialists rivaling each other preserves the balance of power

[Hialeah]

its not a justification to tolerate American imperialism just because an another power can be an imperialist too. besides, having two imperialists rivaling each other preserves the balance of power

Alright, more proxy wars, nuclear proliferation, and a risk of mutually assured destruction. With thinking like that the world could be a better place.

[Twelve]

mutually assured destruction will keep powerful countries from imposing unilateral and unjust policies towards smaller nations. This is more acceptable than what we are witnessing rightnow where the sole superpower can invade any country it wants and still remain CLEAN.

[Hialeah]

mutually assured destruction will keep powerful countries from imposing unilateral and unjust policies towards smaller nations. This is more acceptable than what we are witnessing rightnow where the sole superpower can invade any country it wants and still remain CLEAN.

Cool story bro.

[Twelve]

Cool storysometimes its on the headlines too

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9522/newspaperd.gif

[Chulo]

sometimes its on the headlines too

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9522/newspaperd.gif
hahaha.. did you read the top line on that "Front page" ?

[rOjOdogg]

Tell me what was the last country in the last 100 years Iran attacked and invaded?

You seem to be confused, Iran has not attacked they have defended thier country.

[Proudgrandson]

mutually assured destruction will keep powerful countries from imposing unilateral and unjust policies towards smaller nations. This is more acceptable than what we are witnessing rightnow where the sole superpower can invade any country it wants and still remain CLEAN.

One bomb does not MAD make, it makes a very big crater where the new nuclear power was situated. And do you think the Israeli's won't hit the Iranian nuclear facilities well before they go online.

With the NK missiles frequent habit of breaking up in flight I'd worry more that they'll target nearer countrys if they decide on nuclear suicide anyway.

[Chulo]

sometimes its on the headlines too

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9522/newspaperd.gif
hahaha.. did you read the top line on that "Front page" ? Stick to "abovetopsecret"

[WKD]

mutually assured destruction will keep powerful countries from imposing unilateral and unjust policies towards smaller nations. This is more acceptable than what we are witnessing rightnow where the sole superpower can invade any country it wants and still remain CLEAN.

Hahaha, since when.

I take it you don't remember the Cold War.

[Proudgrandson]

Tell me what was the last country in the last 100 years Iran attacked and invaded?

You seem to be confused, Iran has not attacked they have defended thier country.

Under the Shah they were arming Kurdish rebels in Northern Iraq and had 10000 in Oman with the government there's consent fighting rebels, thats about it. Whether or not any Iranian revolutionary guards ever served with Hezbollah in the Lebanon of course is another story.

[Twelve]

One bomb does not MAD make, it makes a very big crater where the new nuclear power was situated. And do you think the Israeli's won't hit the Iranian nuclear facilities well before they go online.

With the NK missiles frequent habit of breaking up in flight I'd worry more that they'll target nearer countrys if they decide on nuclear suicide anyway.

What gives Israel the right to take unilateral actions that runs against the fundamentals of international law? Israel like Iran is also "suspected" of possesing nuclear weapons but why arent we hearing any complains against them? maybe Iran should hit Israeli targets too before they become operational.

North Korea's nuclear weapons will keep them safe from any form of American invasion for the time being, this should help them buy more time to develop capabilities that will allow them to mount nuclear warheads in long range missiles capable of hitting New York and Washington. They will be completely untochable when that happens and its good. it adds more points to the balance of world security.

[Hialeah]

Tell me what was the last country in the last 100 years Iran attacked and invaded?

You seem to be confused, Iran has not attacked they have defended thier country.

Well Iran was at first attacked by Iraq in the 80s and by 1982 had leverage over the Iraqis. Instead of using diplomacy to make territorial gains they invaded Iraq and fought the war to a stalemate resulting in the loss of countless lives and status quo ante bellum. Reactionary indeed.

Also Twelve, Israel isn't flaunting their nuclear program as Iran does. Israel isn't threatening to destroy anyone because they don't follow Shia Islam as well. As far as North Korea goes they failed to detonate their first nuclear test properly let alone have a missile program capable of avoiding existing defense shields.

[TORA]

North Korea's nuclear weapons will keep them safe from any form of American invasion for the time being, this should help them buy more time to develop capabilities that will allow them to mount nuclear warheads in long range missiles capable of hitting New York and Washington. They will be completely untochable when that happens and its good. it adds more points to the balance of world security.


What's behind your avatar...? A Japanese flag...and you defend North Korea's actions? Hilarious

[rOjOdogg]

That is my point people the American and Western media has portraid the Iranians as evil no do gooders when in fact they have done nothing. Yes they have supported groups who the west and me concider to be terrorist. But as a whole they have been a very peaceful country getting along with thier neibors. Yes thier Goverment is bad, but whose is not. The Iranian people are more like westerners than any others in the area, they hate thier goverment and love americans.

They are peacefull until attacked and smart enough to get others to fight for them, as in the sttupid terrorist.

So in short dont believe the hype that they are the next evil empire.

Thats my opnion whats yours?

[Proudgrandson]

What gives Israel the right to take unilateral actions that runs against the fundamentals of international law? Israel like Iran is also "suspected" of possesing nuclear weapons but why arent we hearing any complains against them? maybe Iran should hit Israeli targets too before they become operational.

North Korea's nuclear weapons will keep them safe from any form of American invasion for the time being, this should help them buy more time to develop capabilities that will allow them to mount nuclear warheads in long range missiles capable of hitting New York and Washington. They will be completely untochable when that happens and its good. it adds more points to the balance of world security.

Israel....Suspected....they've got at least 300. I've been firmly aware of that from the 80's onwards.

New York and Washington........bit ambitious arnt they. Whats wrong with LA and San Francisco.

Tokyo if they wanted to make the point, its nearer.

You seem to be forgetting about pre-emptive strike and how it can be very handy if you have a major edge plus do you seriously think that NK is capable of not overplaying its hand in using its nukes to try to intimidate SK and causeing it to kick off. This fact might suprise you NK regards SK as its main enemy.

[Twelve]

What's behind your avatar...? A Japanese flag...and you defend North Korea's actions?

I am only supporting North Korean actions against a country who murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic Bombs. Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.

[Proudgrandson]

That is my point people the American and Western media has portraid the Iranians as evil no do gooders when in fact they have done nothing. Yes they have supported groups who the west and me concider to be terrorist. But as a whole they have been a very peaceful country getting along with thier neibors.

After an Iranian was murdered in 1998'ish they were lineing up to invade Afghanistan and deal with the Taliban (Sunni fanatics who want to kill all Shia)....Pity they didn't go in.

Their police have also been dying by the hundreds fighting drug smugglers bringing heroin out of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They do just need a major change in government.

[Proudgrandson]

I am only supporting North Korean actions against a country who murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic Bombs. Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.

Puppet Government?

Are you a member of the Japanese Communist party by any chance?

[Hialeah]

That is my point people the American and Western media has portraid the Iranians as evil no do gooders when in fact they have done nothing. Yes they have supported groups who the west and me concider to be terrorist. But as a whole they have been a very peaceful country getting along with thier neibors. Yes thier Goverment is bad, but whose is not. The Iranian people are more like westerners than any others in the area, they hate thier goverment and love americans.

They are peacefull until attacked and smart enough to get others to fight for them, as in the sttupid terrorist.

So in short dont believe the hype that they are the next evil empire.

Thats my opnion whats yours?

The Iranian people are certainly not their government. Are the clerics trying to create an empire of evil? fffffffff, no. Are the clerics trying to cram their ideas down peoples throat, duh. Having Hezbollah fight your battles isn't peaceful nor is what their doing to the protesters right now.

[Twelve]

You seem to be forgetting about pre-emptive strike and how it can be very handy if you have a major edge plus do you seriously think that NK is capable of not overplaying its hand in using its nukes to try to intimidate SK and causeing it to kick off. This fact might suprise you NK regards SK as its main enemy.

If a pre-emptive strike is so feasable then the United States could have initiated it a long time ago. the truth is that they have no control of the situation involving North Korea's nuclear weapons. This entire scenario wouldnt have existed in the first place if the United States didnt meddled with Korea's internal affairs decades ago.

[WKD]

I am only supporting North Korean actions against a country who murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic Bombs. Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.


Yeaaaah. After reading this thread, that fake paper, your post count and and now this post, I have no doubt in my mind that you are quite deliberately trolling.

[Ritual]

Puppet government, oh you didn't get the memo on the part where we get you to revoke article 9 and help us invade China? rofl

Ya'll posting in a troll thread.

[TORA]

I am only supporting North Korean actions against a country who murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic Bombs. Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.

Hahaha ... what you call a "puppet" governement is a hardcore right wing one, with powerful and strong links in Japan...
Japan has it's limits on foreign policies due to U.S. pressure but same is for Israel and for many other nations, after all who can say no to the Uncle Sam...still it' Fine and times are changing by the way.

Korea will be united, the Republic of Korea.

[Proudgrandson]

If a pre-emptive strike is so feasable then the United States could have initiated it a long time ago. the truth is that they have no control of the situation involving North Korea's nuclear weapons. This entire scenario wouldnt have existed in the first place if the United States didnt meddled with Korea's internal affairs decades ago.

Well if Joe Stalin had not been so stupid as to withdraw his ambassador from the UN security council back in 1950 he could have vetoed the UN mandate to send forces to help South Korea. He did that even though he had been fully briefed on the Norths plans, the forces were sent and the North got stopped, there were alot more countries that the USA who meddled as well. Blame Joseph if your that upset.

[Hialeah]

I am only supporting North Korean actions against a country who murdered 200,000 people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic Bombs. Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.

Yeah, during the Showa era Japan was world renowned for it's humanitarianism.

[Scriptable]

Japan could negotiate with North Korea and normalize relations but with the puppet government in Tokyo this is still highly unlikely for now.


Puppet Government?

Are you a member of the Japanese Communist party by any chance?
"Puppet government" is a common term spouted by the North Korean propaganda agency.

[Scriptable]

Korea will be united, the Republic of Korea.
China would NEVER let Korea be united without a massive fight.

[Twelve]

Japan has it's limits on foreign policies due to U.S. pressure

this is exactly whats not right. Japan should not allow itself to be dictated by foreign powers especially those who used Atomic bombs to kill its people.


Korea will be united, the Republic of Korea.

A country with more American bases and a government who cant say "no" to the U.S.? This will further destroy the balance of power in the world.

What do you call a government who cant reject anything that is told to them by foreign powers?

[Jiggy]

for a japanese person, you sure sound alot like our regular chicom members lol.

[TORA]

A country with more American bases and a government who cant say "no" to the U.S.? This will further destroy the balance of power in the world.

What do you call a government who cant reject anything that is told to them by foreign powers?

And who said there would be U.S. bases in a united Korea, Korea would be an indipendent and self relaiable country, and already it is, U.S. forces in Japan are under costant relocation troughout the Pacific, time will come when U.S. forces will leave Japan and Korea.

[Hialeah]

this is exactly whats not right. Japan should not allow itself to be dictated by foreign powers especially those who used Atomic bombs to kill its people.



A country with more American bases and a government who cant say "no" to the U.S.? This will further destroy the balance of power in the world.

What do you call a government who cant reject anything that is told to them by foreign powers?

Yeah, the ROK is as incapable of saying "no" to the US just as North Korea has never crossed the 38th parallel.

[Twelve]

since when did North Korea invading South Korea became an affair for the U.S. anyway? The U.S. has a big problem interfering with other country's internal matters.

[TORA]

China would NEVER let Korea be united without a massive fight.

The big deal is land warfare, air and naval superiority no way ...

[Hialeah]

since when did North Korea invading South Korea became an affair for the U.S. anyway? The U.S. has a big problem interfering with other country's internal matters.

It became a US issue because South Korea asked for help from the UN. The UN force was made up of sixteen nations led by the US. The US had left Korea prior to the DPRK's invasion only for us to come back and help the Koreans who really took the worst of the war.

[Twelve]

But i dont believe the UN mandated the US to build bases over korean soil. Its Interference with internal korean affairs

[BloodyTalon]

But i dont believe the UN mandated the US to build bases over korean soil. Its Interference with internal korean affairs
The Koreans allow us to build bases in their country because, even though they now have a military that can easily take on the DPRK, the presence of US soldiers is still an extremely effective deterrent.

From a Korean user:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4226084&postcount=79

[Twelve]

The North Korean threat is just a formal excuse. Its obvious that the real purpose of those bases is to establish forward operation centers that can be used in a potential conflict against China or the Soviet Union.

[BloodyTalon]

The North Korean threat is just a formal excuse. Its obvious that the real purpose of those bases is to establish forward operation centers that can be used in a potential conflict against China or the Soviet Union.
Firstly, the bases in Japan like in Osaka were filling that role before and after the Korean War. Secondly, the Koreans still accept the presence of bases in their country because again they serve as a major deterrent against North Korea.

[Twelve]

having two centers is better than having one, especially when youre against a major power like China or Russia. anyway since the Soviet Union isnt around anymore. when do you consider giving Japan full independence by removing your bases away from here? permanently.

[Hialeah]

The North Korean threat is just a formal excuse. Its obvious that the real purpose of those bases is to establish forward operation centers that can be used in a potential conflict against China or the Soviet Union.

Yeah, there is so much in the Russian far east for anyone to risk invading from there but Korea is a really good location for conducting operations against China if you want to disrupt all the industrial activity in Liaoning and Jilin.

As for Japanese independence, stop censoring your **** then you're on the right track.

[Twelve]

your rhetoric didnt answered anything. American bases in Japan makes the country act like a human shield and attracts aggression from potential US rivals. the US had nothing to lose anyway since they are several thousand kms away so why not turn Japan into a buffer zone?

[Hialeah]

your rhetoric didnt answered anything. American bases in Japan makes the country act like a human shield and attracts aggression from potential US rivals. the US had nothing to lose anyway since they are several thousand kms away so why not turn Japan into a buffer zone?

During the Cold War the bases in Germany were really the frontline bases, the US like the rest of the world had everything to lose because chances were a conventional war was not going to occur and if it did there was no guarantee it wouldn't change. As for Japan attracting hostilities from its neighbors, the impression its soldiers made in mainland Asia are going to make anyone wary of them. Japan attracting aggression from US rivals wouldn't put Japan in danger, the JSDF and the US forces have always been capable.

[ggk]

i need this kind of thread in the morning......good for morning no 2.

[Hialeah]

i need this kind of thread in the morning......good for morning no 2.

I don't know about you but it's causing me intestinal distress.

[Twelve]

But now that Japan has the world's second largest economy I belive we are now fully capable of financing our own defence expenditures to maintain a force that could meet all of the country's security requirements. The soviet union is no more so I don’t see any reason for the US military to stay in Japan.

[BloodyTalon]

having two centers is better than having one, especially when youre against a major power like China or Russia. anyway since the Soviet Union isnt around anymore. when do you consider giving Japan full independence by removing your bases away from here? permanently.
You're just on a roll of stupid, redundant posts tonight, aren't ya?

There are still US bases in Japan for the same reason there are still US bases in Germany; they exist because the countries want them there currently. This may come as a shock to you, seeing as you like to view America as a mixture of Mordor and the Galatic Empire, but some nations (including Japan, Germany, and South Korea) actually want a US presence. It's twofold positive for their country;

Firstly, it serves as a deterrent against both convential and nuclear attacks. No nation-state in their right mind wants to inadvertantly drag themselves into a conflict with a superpower just because they attacked another country that was hosting a base for said superpower. Hell, just look at Georgia as a recent example; the Georgian military attacked Russian forces in S. Ossetia during the war and found themselves almost completely occupied by the Russians as a result. As long as US military bases remain in a country like Japan and S. Korea, it greatly lessens the potential of that country being attacked, as the US would immediately respond in their favor. Furthermore, bases provide an economic boon for the local area they're situated, as generates a large number of potential customers for the local businesses.

Also, you can lay of the silly "give Germany/Japan/Korea/Cloudcuckcooland's independance back!" crap; at any time, these host nations can request the US military to close down their bases with their country and relocate and we'd be obligated to do so. The Philippines requested this earlier this decade and we relented to their demands despite any potential strategic loss losing the naval bases might have caused. Constantly harping about how a country like Germany is a complete slave to the US for the mere fact that Rammstein AFB exists makes you look more like a dumbarse.

[Hialeah]

But now that Japan has the world's second largest economy I belive we are now fully capable of financing our own defence expenditures to maintain a force that could meet all of the country's security requirements. The soviet union is no more so I don’t see any reason for the US military to stay in Japan.

Actually Japan is like third now. Japan has been fully capable of financing its own defense expenditures and it does. The issue of a US military presence in Japan isn't as simple as the Soviet Union is gone so we can all go home. The JSDF is a defense force only and is limited with what it can do so the US presence fills that gap.

[Twelve]

You're just on a roll of stupid, redundant posts tonight, aren't ya?


Its entertaining to see how an American responds very hysterically to the simple points that I make, even to the extent of using blunt words in an attempt to insult me. But you can be rest assured that I will not step down to your level just for the sake of hitting back.

Anyway an occupier will never Admit that the people of the country hosting their military base is resentful of their presence, its just that the US has developed more subversive ways of suppressing the truth. America must leave these innocent countries alone and stop dragging them into their rivalry against other major powers

[Panchito12]

thoughts?

Yeah, invade Canada, but not BC or Quebec.

The first one is full of druggies and Chinese immigrants with loyalties towards the PRC. We give BC back to the Crown. They in turn can base Gurkhas there to keep everyone in check.

As for Quebec, that place is full of French rejects...enough said. Quebec we turn over lock-stock-barrel to the local Indians (or whatever they're called this week in Canada) they know how to handle the Quebecers.

Ontario we turn into a federal protectorate and deny them voting rights like in Washington DC. They're just too many peaceniks, no-gun, mommy-government types living there to trust them with a vote.

Perfect plan.

p.s. The strip bars stay open.

[SBL]

Anyway an occupier will never Admit that the people of the country hosting their military base is resentful of their presence, its just that the US has developed more subversive ways of suppressing the truth. America must leave these innocent countries alone and stop dragging them into their rivalry against other major powers
For the sake of satisfying my curiosity, where are you posting from?

[Hialeah]

Its entertaining to see how an American responds very hysterically to the simple points that I make, even to the extent of using blunt words in an attempt to insult me. But you can be rest assured that I will not step down to your level just for the sake of hitting back.

Anyway an occupier will never Admit that the people of the country hosting their military base is resentful of their presence, its just that the US has developed more subversive ways of suppressing the truth. America must leave these innocent countries alone and stop dragging them into their rivalry against other major powers

Everybody knows the Okinawan's don't like the US military base there simply because it's a loud annoyance. Meh, you're English is mysteriously improving.

[Twelve]

The JSDF is a defense force only and is limited with what it can do so the US presence fills that gap.

Yes this is sadly true. I guess this is what the Americans really wanted to do since before. to strip Japan the right to form a real military force. So that they will have no other choice but to retain the American bases in their own soil.

[Panchito12]

Yes this is sadly true. I guess this is what the Americans really wanted to do since before. to strip Japan the right to form a real military force. So that they will have no other choice but to retain the American bases in their own soil.

It's kept Japan in check and it's kept the other nation's in the region calm. Everyone wins!

[Hialeah]

Yes this is sadly true. I guess this is what the Americans really wanted to do since before. to strip Japan the right to form a real military force. So that they will have no other choice but to retain the American bases in their own soil.

Since before when? When the Japanese wrote their own constitution? Now your English is worse, stop playing.

[Jiggy]

lulz......................................

[Power_serj]

I would propose that we target these two nations entire government and military infastructure giving the people a chance to secure there freedom without us having to stay for a long period of time. thoughts?

I agree. It's a good time to start WWIII. What do we really have to lose? The economy is already in the crapper already anyway. That'll fix all the unemployment too. The U.S. can have a directive for private businesses to help in war and Congress can start a draft. Then there will be 0% employment. Although that would probably lead to a new depression, but we got out of it last time right? :cantbeli:

[SBL]

Twelve, in case you missed it the first time:


For the sake of satisfying my curiosity, where are you posting from?

[BloodyTalon]

Its entertaining to see how an American responds very hysterically to the simple points that I make, even to the extent of using blunt words in an attempt to insult me. But you can be rest assured that I will not step down to your level just for the sake of hitting back.

Anyway an occupier will never Admit that the people of the country hosting their military base is resentful of their presence, its just that the US has developed more subversive ways of suppressing the truth. America must leave these innocent countries alone and stop dragging them into their rivalry against other major powers
rofl and once again you fail to address any of the points I made and instead resort to repeating the same "da man is tryin to keep the bruthas down!" rant ad nauseum. Do you even bother to read any of our posts in their entirety before resorting to the intellectual equivalent of jerking off?

[Twelve]

Since before when? When the Japanese wrote their own constitution?

Its not logical to think that the US had never exerted power to influence the resulting structure of the post war Japanese constitution.

[BearInBunnySuit]

Hey Twelve,

Have you ever considered the possibility that if the U.S. had abandoned northeast Asia after WWII, that the Korean peninsula would have been communized under Russia, pointing like a dagger directly at the heart of Japan?

Have you considered the possibility that if the U.S. had withdrawn for good after dropping those well-timed bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, y'all would be in a sadder state than N. Korea is today?

In fact, given your country's long history of invading and killing fellow Asians, nobody in Asia would have shed a tear if your whole damn country sank into the ocean.

Make no mistake, Japan is what it is today because of the U.S.

[Hialeah]

Hey Twelve,

Have you ever considered the possibility that if the U.S. had abandoned northeast Asia after WWII, that the Korean peninsula would have been communized under Russia, pointing like a dagger directly at the heart of Japan?

Have you considered the possibility that if the U.S. had withdrawn for good after dropping those well-timed bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, y'all would be in a sadder state than N. Korea is today?

In fact, given your country's long history of invading and killing fellow Asians, nobody in Asia would have shed a tear if your whole damn country sank into the ocean.

Make no mistake, Japan is what it is today because of the U.S.

I'm still pissed about them censoring ****. What kind of free society is that?

[Twelve]

Have you ever considered the possibility that if the U.S. had abandoned northeast Asia after WWII, that the Korean peninsula would have been communized under Russia, pointing like a dagger directly at the heart of Japan?

That would be highly unlikely, the US had been competing with Russia since after the war for influence in Asia and in Europe. You couldn’t just let them do that because you cant afford it.


Have you considered the possibility that if the U.S. had withdrawn for good after dropping those well-timed bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, y'all would be in a sadder state than N. Korea is today?

like what you've said its only a possibility, it could mean that the reverse has the potential to happen too.





Make no mistake, Japan is what it is today because of the U.S.


I dont have problems with that, so when are you going to start packing and leave?

[SBL]

That would be highly unlikely, the US had been competing with Russia since after the war for influence in Asia and in Europe. You couldn’t just let them do that because you cant afford it.
...which is the reason for the bases.



like what you've said its only a possibility, it could mean that the reverse has the potential to happen too.


Completely hypothetical.

[Hialeah]

I dont have problems with that, so when are you going to start packing and leave?


When Japan stops needing us. Honestly what is there to complain about, Japan is a prosperous country now and it doesn't need warmongers to remind the rest of Asia about the Showa era.

[SBL]

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[BigDukaroo]

I dont have problems with that, so when are you going to start packing and leave?

http://www.trollhunters.org/files/trolls/troll-01.jpg

[Twelve]

Honestly what is there to complain about

I dont know. Maybe when China nukes some American cities and begins building bases there, maybe someone in America will realize how it is.


What can you tell me about amae and how it relates to US/Japanese relations?

A forcefully (but covertly) imposed policy towards Japan to keep it aligned with the US

[Moriarti]

since when did North Korea invading South Korea became an affair for the U.S. anyway? The U.S. has a big problem interfering with other country's internal matters.

Since SK asked us to repel the commie hoards that were bent on turning Seoul into the worst thing since Nanking.


Its entertaining to see how an American responds very hysterically to the simple points that I make, even to the extent of using blunt words in an attempt to insult me. But you can be rest assured that I will not step down to your level just for the sake of hitting back....Anyway an occupier will never Admit that the people of the country hosting their military base is resentful of their presence, its just that the US has developed more subversive ways of suppressing the truth. America must leave these innocent countries alone and stop dragging them into their rivalry against other major powers

Hiding behind a bit of sudden eloquence does not hide the hypocritical insults that you so carefully chose.
Soooo....are we "occupying" the UK and Kuwait as well?


Yeah, invade Canada, but not BC or Quebec.
...Perfect plan.

p.s. The strip bars stay open.

WIN!



Yes this is sadly true. I guess this is what the Americans really wanted to do since before. to strip Japan the right to form a real military force. So that they will have no other choice but to retain the American bases in their own soil.

Remember, the reason that Nippon was stripped of offensive force is that from the invasion of Manchu-Quo to US Occupation, Japan was hell bent on raping the rest of Asia and the Pacific rim.


That would be highly unlikely, the US had been competing with Russia since after the war for influence in Asia and in Europe. You couldn’t just let them do that because you cant afford it.


like what you've said its only a possibility, it could mean that the reverse has the potential to happen too.

I dont have problems with that, so when are you going to start packing and leave?

The reverse happening by default is a non-sequitur.
Like SO many others have said before, the US will leave when the Japanese government asks them to.

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[BigDukaroo]

I dont know. Maybe when China nukes some American cities and begins building bases there, maybe someone in America will realize how it is.



A forcefully (but covertly) imposed policy towards Japan to keep it aligned with the US

I hope you realize that the asininity and overall naivety of your posts are nothing but entertainment for us all.

[T-5 Killer]

I hope you realize that the asininity and overall naivety of your posts are nothing but entertainment for us all.

Shhhhhhh don't let the secret out too soon we might be able to milk this one for alot more LOLs!

[Hialeah]

I hope you realize that the asininity and overall naivety of your posts are nothing but entertainment for us all.

I had fun, I'd rate my experience 7/10
though I'd rate Twelve a 4/10 didn't make me rage

[Jiggy]

I dont know. Maybe when China nukes some American cities and begins building bases there, maybe someone in America will realize how it is.

don't get ya hopes up.

if it came down to it, the reverse is more likely to happen.

[SBL]

A forcefully (but covertly) imposed policy towards Japan to keep it aligned with the US
Amae, in diplomatic terms, is voluntary dependency, generally with hopes of receiving close, specialized attention in return--like a willingness to be malleable on defense matters in return for having some pretty exclusive trading rights and free access to American markets, for example.

Point being, it's a far more symbiotic relationship than you're portraying.

[Proudgrandson]

The North Korean threat is just a formal excuse. Its obvious that the real purpose of those bases is to establish forward operation centers that can be used in a potential conflict against China or the Soviet Union.

Sorry for the delay in reply to this I slept........what decade where you living in before you got suspendedp-)

[Proudgrandson]

But now that Japan has the world's second largest economy I belive we are now fully capable of financing our own defence expenditures to maintain a force that could meet all of the country's security requirements. The soviet union is no more so I don’t see any reason for the US military to stay in Japan.

Japan has been in recession for a very long time now, has an ageing population and is still crippled by war guilt, and lets face it a certain large neighbouring state wants to dominate the pacific and I don't mean NK.

[Shadowstorm]

for a japanese person, you sure sound alot like our regular chicom members lol.
He's probably a "Stealth Chicom" using a new tactic unlike the other Chicoms you see lately.

[Frutzel]

So in short dont believe the hype that they are the next evil empire.



I don't believe it either but there is a magical reason why some people will defend this position till the end. I won't say the name of this member but he answered at least honestly to my question whats the purpose of Iraq is


secured resources to feed western economies for few years more, before we can cut clean of our dependancy on oil

[rOjOdogg]

My responce to Twelve, you need a history lesson and to face facts. The USA pulled its troops out of the P.I. and closed its bases there and the economy of that country to a huge nose dive that they still have not recovered from. The USA would love to pull out of the ROC and Japan but both countries do not want that to happen and will not let that happen for two major reasons, the big reason is M O N E Y!!!!!! The USA pumps Billions of US dollars into both economies and that is not counting the actual troops and thier famalies spending thier money in those countries. And the second reason is security, better to have another country pay all the money for defense and use your money to strengthen your own economy. That is why Japan and ROC are better economies that the USA.

Everyone bitches and groans about the USA but when it comes down to they leaving All say wait a second we were just kidding.

Look at Puerto Rico, the USA keeps giving them a chance to become a independent country and they always vote that ideal down, hell they dont even want to be a state, they are happy with what they have, but they still bitch about america every chance they get, its called freedom and remeber who has paid that price for the freedom of thier country, japan and ROC, the U. S. of A. thats who with the blood on thier youth.

Even my country had to fight against Japan in WWII, and it wasent that long ago, we all still remember how blood thirsty japan was, and I am positive the coreans and chineese remember also.:-*$

So take a chill pill and do some history about the area and thank The USA for your right to bitch about everything.

[Panchito12]

I'm all for invading Lichtenstein. Money-laundering, stamp-selling bastards!

[TORA]

My responce to Twelve, you need a history lesson and to face facts. The USA pulled its troops out of the P.I. and closed its bases there and the economy of that country to a huge nose dive that they still have not recovered from. The USA would love to pull out of the ROC and Japan but both countries do not want that to happen and will not let that happen for two major reasons, the big reason is M O N E Y!!!!!! The USA pumps Billions of US dollars into both economies and that is not counting the actual troops and thier famalies spending thier money in those countries. And the second reason is security, better to have another country pay all the money for defense and use your money to strengthen your own economy. That is why Japan and ROC are better economies that the USA.

Everyone bitches and groans about the USA but when it comes down to they leaving All say wait a second we were just kidding.

Look at Puerto Rico, the USA keeps giving them a chance to become a independent country and they always vote that ideal down, hell they dont even want to be a state, they are happy with what they have, but they still bitch about america every chance they get, its called freedom and remeber who has paid that price for the freedom of thier country, japan and ROC, the U. S. of A. thats who with the blood on thier youth.

Even my country had to fight against Japan in WWII, and it wasent that long ago, we all still remember how blood thirsty japan was, and I am positive the coreans and chineese remember also.:-*$

So take a chill pill and do some history about the area and thank The USA for your right to bitch about everything.

BS -

Any idea how much Japan pay for KEEP American forces on it's territory?

Tokyo will even pay 6 billion of dollars for relocate about 8.000 Marines from Okinawa to Guam island...

But let's keep this out of this thread