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MAGNUM
07-01-2004, 12:02 PM
From army.mil

WASHINGTON (Army News Service, June 14, 2004) - The Army will be fielding a new combat uniform designed by NCOs and tested by Stryker Brigade Soldiers in Iraq since October.

On the Army's 229th birthday, senior leadership introduced the Army Combat Uniform during a Pentagon cake-cutting ceremony. Soldiers were on display, suited-up in the wrinkle-free uniform with a digitized camouflage pattern.

Three different versions of the ACU have been developed, and more than 10,000 uniforms have been produced and dragged through the sand in Iraq and at Army training centers. Even more are on American production lines to be issued by April 2005 to Soldiers in deploying units. Fielding to the total Army should be complete by December 2007, said officials from the Program Executive Office, known as PEO Soldier.

There were 20 changes made to the uniform, to include removing the color black and adapting the digital print from the Marine Corps uniform to meet the needs of the Army, said Sgt. 1st Class Jeff Myhre, the Clothing and Individual Equipment noncommissioned officer in charge.

Black is no longer useful on the uniform because it is not a color commonly found in nature. The drawback to black is that its color immediately catches the eye, he added.

"The color scheme in the ACU capitalizes on the environments that we operate in," Myhre said. "The current colors on the ACU are green-woodland, grey-urban environments and sand brown-desert. The pattern is not a 100-percent solution in every environment, but a good solution across the board."

"This isn't about a cosmetic redesign of the uniform," said Col. John Norwood, the project manager for Clothing and Individual Equipment. "It's a functionality change of the uniform that will improve the ability of Soldiers to execute their combat mission."

Every change was made for a reason. The bottom pockets on the jacket were removed and placed on the shoulder sleeves so Soldiers can have access to them while wearing body armor. The pockets were also tilted forward so that they are easily accessible. Buttons were replaced with zippers that open from the top and bottom to provide comfort while wearing armor.

Patches and tabs are affixed to the uniform with Velcro to give the wearer more flexibility and to save the Soldier money, Myhre said. Soldiers can take the name-tapes and patches off their uniforms before laundering, which will add to the lifecycle of the patches. Also the cost to get patches sewn on will be eliminated, he added.

The ACU will consist of a jacket, trousers, moisture wicking t-shirt and the brown combat boots. It will replace both versions of the BDU and the desert camouflage uniform. The black beret will be the normal headgear for the ACU, but there is a matching patrol cap to be worn at the commander's discretion.

At $88 per uniform, about $30 more than the BDU, Soldiers will eventually reap gains in money and time by not having to take uniforms to the cleaners or shine boots.

The life of the ACU began in January 2003 when PEO Soldier teamed with Myhre, Master Sgt. Alex Samoba and Staff Sgt. Matt Goodine - from the 1st Stryker Brigade, Fort Lewis, Wash.

The team looked at a number of uniforms and took the best part of each uniform and combined it into one. They built their first prototype and delivered 25 uniforms to Stryker squads at the National Training Center. After listening to their comments, the team went back to the lab and created prototype two.

Twenty-one uniforms were then delivered to Stryker Soldiers at the Joint Training and Readiness Center, Fort Polk, La.

"We watched them as they entered and cleared rooms, as they carried their rucksack and all of the things they had to be able to do in the uniform, and then we came up with prototype three," Myhre said.

Two issues of the third version were given to the Stryker Soldiers deploying to Iraq. Three months ago, Myhre was among a team who visited Iraq to get more feedback from Soldiers.

"We would talk to Soldiers right after they had completed a mission while the benefits of the uniform were still fresh in their minds. We wanted to know how did the uniform help the mission."

Sgt. Maj. of the Army Kenneth Preston is one of the ACU's biggest supporters. He said major command sergeants major had a chance to see the uniform and give advice toward the final version.

"We have not made a major change to our uniforms since the BDUs (battle dress uniforms) were introduced in the early 1980s," Preston said. "This new uniform performs well in multiple environments. Its new pockets and color designs are a result of feedback from Soldiers in combat. Every modification made on the uniform was designed with a specific purpose and not just for the sake of change."

Uniform changes include:

1. Mandarin collar that can be worn up or down

2. Rank insignia centered on the front of the blouse

3. Velcro for wearing unit patch, skill tabs and recognition devices

4. Zippered front closure

5. Elbow pouch for internal elbow pad inserts

6. Knee pouch for internal knee pad inserts

7. Draw string leg cuff

8. Tilted chest pockets with Velcro closure

9. Three-slot pen pocket on bottom of sleeve

10. Velcro sleeve cuff closure

11. Shoulder pockets with Velcro

12. Forward tilted cargo pockets

13. Integrated blouse bellows for increased upper body mobility

14. Integrated Friend or Foe Identification Square on both left and right shoulder pocket flap.

15. Bellowed calf storage pocket on left and right leg

16. Moisture-wicking desert tan t-shirt

17. Patrol Cap with double thick bill and internal pocket

18. Improved hot-weather desert boot or temperate-weather desert boot

19. Two-inch, black nylon web belt

20. Moisture-wicking socks



http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/ACU2004-06-14.jpg

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/zipper2004-06-14.jpg
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/shoulderpatches2004-06-14.jpg

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/boots2004-06-14.jpg

Lone
07-01-2004, 12:02 PM
red X :(

MAGNUM
07-01-2004, 12:04 PM
If you don't see the pics.

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6042

Bombtrack
07-01-2004, 12:16 PM
this was posted here about a month ago and was a big topic for quite a while...

MAGNUM
07-01-2004, 12:42 PM
sorry :oops:

Colt45
07-01-2004, 01:42 PM
velcro... worst idea ever

Hullebullen
07-01-2004, 01:45 PM
Has anyone some new pics of the new uniform (that was not in the old threads)?

pfclee
07-02-2004, 12:30 AM
For those who can't see ****.

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/ACU2004_06_14.jpg

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/zipper2004_06_14.jpg

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/shoulderpatches2004_06_14.jpg

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/boots2004_06_14.jpg

Better?

Mark Sman
07-02-2004, 12:41 AM
Said it before, I'll say it again.

Fugly.

I hope it works well for the troops, but it is fugly.

Midav
07-02-2004, 12:47 AM
Yup, that's all that matteres if it's effective or not.

LordHalbert
07-02-2004, 12:54 AM
I think the camo needs works - I've seen better camo before.

memphiz
07-02-2004, 12:58 AM
So buttons got to complicated for you guys eh! p-)

b.scheller
07-02-2004, 01:02 AM
the patches...the idea of having them on velcro is just beyond me. anyway, the uniform is ugly, the cut, the colour. nothing will look as good as the cadpad, nothing. unless of course you copy us...

Bulkowski
07-02-2004, 01:06 AM
the patches...the idea of having them on velcro is just beyond me. anyway, the uniform is ugly, the cut, the colour. nothing will look as good as the cadpad, nothing. unless of course you copy us...that is the urban uni, just so you know that.

b.scheller
07-02-2004, 01:22 AM
eugh...sorry :oops:

VorpalDoom
07-02-2004, 01:32 AM
actually the LOOK of BDUs is important... heh... something about blending in. that kinda camo won't blend in much with anything, cept maybe water. :roll:

I say, stick with how the marines or canadians have it... which is damn sexy.

ZoneOne
07-02-2004, 04:03 AM
is that a green hat w/ an orange bill ????


oh no, its just the new camo

stuntman
07-29-2004, 07:57 PM
I thought everyone should know that I found out from a TRADOC system manager that the new US army acu will be produced in Urban , green, sand brown colors. I just wanted to clarify it just in case you feel this urban pattern will be the end result!
And a lil pic for you xm8 lovers!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/studrican22/XM-8OSully.jpg

Hullebullen
07-29-2004, 08:01 PM
Haha, that gun is as big as the kid...

stuntman
07-29-2004, 08:13 PM
Haha, that gun is as big as the kid...
True but it makes you wonder how light it is since this little kid can hold it with ease! Mind you its the heavy barreled SAW version.

Desertpilot
07-29-2004, 08:39 PM
I thought everyone should know that I found out from a TRADOC system manager that the new US army acu will be produced in Urban , green, sand brown colors. I just wanted to clarify it just in case you feel this urban pattern will be the end result!


Hmmmm that goes against every press release I've read from the Army to date. And it goes against the whole reason for a uniform redesign "one uniform for all regions" I bet he ment that the colors for the ONE uniform being produced, are grey, green and tan.

I'll believe 3 new uniforms it when I see an offical press release...

Hullebullen
07-29-2004, 08:40 PM
It's one pattern...not one color...

Desertpilot
07-29-2004, 08:43 PM
Yep, ONE pattern of THREE colors (grey, green and tan) not 3 variations of one pattern.

stuntman
07-29-2004, 08:58 PM
I thought everyone should know that I found out from a TRADOC system manager that the new US army acu will be produced in Urban , green, sand brown colors. I just wanted to clarify it just in case you feel this urban pattern will be the end result!


Hmmmm that goes against every press release I've read from the Army to date. And it goes against the whole reason for a uniform redesign "one uniform for all regions" I bet he ment that the colors for the ONE uniform being produced, are grey, green and tan.

I'll believe 3 new uniforms it when I see an offical press release...Well fair enough, but he told me that the Green version will look a lil like Cadpat but with out the black and lime green in it. And there is a example of the desert acu in soldier of fortune mag (august issueP24) In the national guards special forces report.

platform389
07-29-2004, 09:14 PM
that is the urban uni, just so you know that.

I thought "Stargate SG1" was an Air Force operation? rofl

Army planning "off world" activities?

ArmyRanger
07-29-2004, 09:28 PM
This uniform has been tested in iraq, Sniper and NCO's have given there opinions on it.... if it didnt work they wouldent field it.

crazyman
07-29-2004, 11:28 PM
like i mentioned awhile back, saw what i think was the new pattern up at ft lewis on some soldiers learning to drive strykers. looked pretty good from where i sat. bear in mind they were literally flyin by, 'fraid i didnt get the camera out in time

Todd022
07-29-2004, 11:41 PM
I can't take it anymore! Enough with the new Army BDU! we've all seen it, read about it, and can't agree on it....but the bottom line is it's been posted enough. just let it go, it's nothing new or profound any longer. (btw, I hate seeing repeat posts). :fork:

And another appropriate Homer S. quote comes to mind:
"ooh, they have the internet on computers now..." :cantbeli:

talib_killa34
07-30-2004, 12:06 AM
What's this about a new Army uniform??? :D







"Heeeey, there's a NEW Mexico!"

-Homer Simpson

[AFSOC]
07-30-2004, 12:34 AM
i dont understand why the Army would make a new BDU that looks like ass when you've got MARINES and our Northern buddies wit there sexy BDU's

why didnt they juss follow the same thing that MARPAT and CADPAT have.... :(

talib_killa34
07-30-2004, 12:39 AM
Sometimes, people just try too damn hard! :(

American Patriot
07-30-2004, 01:18 AM
]i dont understand why the Army would make a new BDU that looks like ass when you've got MARINES and our Northern buddies wit there sexy BDU's

why didnt they juss follow the same thing that MARPAT and CADPAT have.... :(

Um, they did? The new Army pattern IS based on MARPAT. It looks just like MARPAT except the Army added their own ideas in Photoshop or whatever. As for the new BDUs they probably supercede the old 80's BDUs with the new utilitarian features.

Sayeret
07-30-2004, 01:30 AM
that is the urban uni, just so you know that.

Thanks I was thinking that most be why the uniform is that color but wasn't sure.

I thought they used this camo for urban warfare.

http://www.armynavyshop.com/closeups/rc7373.jpg

American Patriot
07-30-2004, 01:35 AM
I'm pretty sure the Army uses only three (3-color desert, woodland, and snow.)

rob
07-30-2004, 02:14 AM
So buttons got to complicated for you guys eh! p-)

they where taken off because they would dig into your chest with interceptor body armour on. not because its complicated.

stuntman
07-30-2004, 02:20 AM
I am willing to bet that if they opt to go with just one color scheme it will most likly be like the scorpion Camo u see from Militarymorons.com. It is a mix of green, sand , and urban grey and is considered a all around camo.

ZoneOne
07-30-2004, 02:33 AM
looks good to me

FallenAngel
07-30-2004, 02:50 AM
looks nice I guess.

Note, I think I read somewhere on this board that the USMC has chosen the KISS principal. Instead of developing a dedicated urban camo, they have decided to use desert MARPAT since the tan in the uniforms seems to blend nicely with the shades of gray usually found in urban settings.

Oh, and I give it 2 years tops till we start seeing a Chinese rip-off ;)

Ratamacue
07-30-2004, 02:54 AM
Instead of developing a dedicated urban camo, they have decided to use desert MARPAT since the tan in the uniforms seems to blend nicely with the shades of gray usually found in urban settings.
http://upload.sh0t.com/stuff/Marines%2078.jpg

FallenAngel
07-30-2004, 03:23 AM
Instead of developing a dedicated urban camo, they have decided to use desert MARPAT since the tan in the uniforms seems to blend nicely with the shades of gray usually found in urban settings.
http://upload.sh0t.com/stuff/Marines%2078.jpg

I'd like to thank my assistant Rat for helping me prove my point ;)

Firefly26
07-30-2004, 03:43 AM
I'm gonna miss wearing my green jungles. Come to think of it, Altama is going to be losing quite a bit of business since the uniform will be narrowed down to that one boot. I'll miss my bottom bdu pockets too. I actually use them the most. I never use the breast pockets.

Desertpilot
07-30-2004, 03:44 AM
Stuntman, the Army already opted not to go with the Crye "multi-cam". Not sure why, have heard rumors that it was a personal decision by the cheif of the ACU uniform "board", I'd like to see the Cry stuff when it comes out, but that grey-ish pattern is what were getting, or so the Army, Army Times, CNN... and all the others say. Not 3 new uniforms, ONE uniform, one color, one pattern . Trust me... ;)

Firefly26
07-30-2004, 03:50 AM
Army of one hooah

soma
07-30-2004, 04:08 AM
BLIND.

caleb
07-30-2004, 05:31 AM
Look at the buttstock and the foregrip. It's a XM8

[AFSOC]
07-30-2004, 08:12 AM
]i dont understand why the Army would make a new BDU that looks like ass when you've got MARINES and our Northern buddies wit there sexy BDU's

why didnt they juss follow the same thing that MARPAT and CADPAT have.... :(

Um, they did? The new Army pattern IS based on MARPAT. It looks just like MARPAT except the Army added their own ideas in Photoshop or whatever. As for the new BDUs they probably supercede the old 80's BDUs with the new utilitarian features.

well i mean by the way the velcro is on the uniform....with there ranks, unit etc.

Vintendo
07-30-2004, 09:00 PM
It looks terrible. How on earth can that camo be effective in the woods?

pipaz
07-30-2004, 09:23 PM
It looks terrible. How on earth can that camo be effective in the woods?

hey before you post u should read the dang on post, secondly theyve been tested by noncoms in Iraq etc... so i think theyll know better how it intercats with enviroment, besides i dont think army would develop uniform just for the looks of it after all i dont think anyone wants to get shot in the ass after all

Navy
07-30-2004, 09:36 PM
My 2cents is that the us army choosed the marpat pattern cause its easier to avoid blue on blue. They choosed the city version to stand out a bit and to save costs.

If they ONLY looked at the camo effect, they should have picked multicam (check out the mm site). Sadly they didnt, and ended up with a pattern that wont work in a wooded enivorment at all.

:|

Merik
07-30-2004, 09:47 PM
m just glad that with the new issued boots we dont have to sit there and f-ing spit shine the bastards. woot

pipaz
07-31-2004, 12:15 AM
agree on the boot part even though im airborne lol

Rrotz
07-31-2004, 07:15 AM
GHEY!

I HATE ZIPPERS AND VELCRO!

Might as well have a flat grey color coz after they fade they'll be a very light grey without the discernable digital patter.

Blumenteufel
07-31-2004, 07:28 AM
Especially the velcro being so super silent when trying to open your pouch.

vitiaz
07-31-2004, 10:50 AM
Crye Precision has their website up,

http://www.cryeprecision.com/img/web%20images%2002_r5_c4.jpg


http://www.cryeprecision.com/multicam/images.htm#

Navy
07-31-2004, 06:26 PM
It would be really interesting to get to know the "answer" to WHY they choosed the marpat pattern. Im sticking to my idea, what does everyone else think?

vitiaz
07-31-2004, 07:27 PM
I agree NAVY.

Sounds like another case of "not invented here" syndrome. From the article in SWAT it sounds like the military is still evaluating it so it may be selected at a later date.

biritsuee
08-01-2004, 12:10 AM
hell this bdu is really ugly

FallenAngel
08-01-2004, 04:01 AM
It would be really interesting to get to know the "answer" to WHY they choosed the marpat pattern. Im sticking to my idea, what does everyone else think?


I agree NAVY.

Sounds like another case of "not invented here" syndrome. From the article in SWAT it sounds like the military is still evaluating it so it may be selected at a later date.

The USMC holds a copyright on the MARPAT pattern. You can see it easily on any USMC uniform in the form of small eagle, globe and anchor emblems in the design.

Technically....it would be against the law for the US Army to use the pattern used by the USMC.

scrybe
08-01-2004, 04:54 AM
I'm all for changes that would make the uniform more comfortable, and definately changes that would make them easier to take care of, but in general, that design is pretty ugly.

Maybe if I look again it will grow on me..... nope, not yet.

stuntman
08-01-2004, 05:08 AM
I had a idea on what the finished product will look like.
What if you take the exact colors of http://www.cryeprecision.com/img/WOODS%20EARLY%20SPRING.jpg
and applied it to the new ACU? I think this is a good challenge to our photo shop experts! Then it is a different story..

Navy
08-01-2004, 08:30 AM
FallenAngel: It is the same pattern, whitout the EGA though.

Teh Little Space Monkeh
08-03-2004, 08:49 PM
Well, the desert pattern is most likely better than the DCU's Three Color design. I like the Scorpion camo for woodland, but, since when have any more than 1 U.S division (if that) been activated to fight in a non-desert enviroment, since Vietnam? It's a waste of money and camo to make it suitable for BOTH Woodland and Desert when we are probrably not going to have another conflict outside of the desert/Middle East until Landwarrior comes out.

Navy
08-03-2004, 08:56 PM
Well, i still dont like the idea of one single environment based camo. Are you all going to wear DCU'a when north korea attacks?

The idea of one, single camo for ALL climates is the future (im my opinion).

But, its not my board, im joining the swedish navy! p-)

ArmyRanger
08-03-2004, 09:05 PM
talk about beating a dead horse

Fee Fi Fo Fum
08-03-2004, 09:10 PM
nice camo :)

http://www.cryeprecision.com/img/DESERT%201.jpg

Navy
08-03-2004, 09:14 PM
ArmyRanger: huh?

ArmyRanger
08-03-2004, 09:16 PM
people have been saying the same thing forever. Like i said the us army would not field this camo if it didnt work. its been tested by stryker teams and input from Snipers and NCO's.

ZoneOne
08-03-2004, 09:24 PM
even better camo

http://www.zarkow.com/sta/pics/gallery/norberg/thumbs/sniper.jpg

Lone Predator
08-03-2004, 09:27 PM
nice camo :)

http://www.cryeprecision.com/img/DESERT%201.jpg

only thing giving him away is his shadow,

that is probably the biggest problem with camo in the desert I think

Navy
08-03-2004, 09:32 PM
ArmyRanger: So YOU think that "grunts" are the ONLY ones that have a say in the evaluation?

rofl

Wake up call..

crazyman
08-03-2004, 11:28 PM
i think the point the kid is trying to make is that the new pattern was experiemented with when 2d bct of 2ID went over to iraq. soldiers in-country played around with various patterns, and this new all in one pattern is what they decided on. now was there some politics involved? most likely...but i doubt that the army would field a uniform if it just plain didnt work. personally i wouldnt mind seeing us using something similar, if not the exact same as, the marine pattern (copyright be damned, i dont mind breaking that particular law if its gonna keep people alive). but we'll just have to wait n see

catchv22
08-04-2004, 12:00 AM
*cough* original M16 *cough* ;)