Defiant Saddam Appears In Court

[MolliG]

BBC News (news.bbc.co.uk)

Defiant Saddam Appears In Court

Iraq's ex-leader Saddam Hussein has made a defiant first appearance before an Iraqi judge, branding President George W Bush as the "real criminal".

He defended Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990, said he was still president and rejected the court's jurisdiction.

He arrived in handcuffs and chains at the court near Baghdad airport to hear charges of war crimes and genocide.

TV pictures of the hearing were released to international broadcasters shortly after the hearing finished...

... Hearing the charge relating to Halabja, where about 5,000 Kurdish civilians died in a single day, Saddam Hussein said, "Yes, I heard about that."...

... "How can you, as an Iraqi, say the 'invasion of Kuwait' when Kuwait is part of Iraq?" he asked the judge, whose face was not shown on the film and whose identity is being kept secret for security reasons.

He said he invaded Kuwait "for the Iraqi people" and referred to Kuwaitis as "dogs", for which he was rebuked by the judge...

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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40335000/jpg/_40335365_saddam_b203_5.jpg
Saddam: Both defiant and downcast
The rest can be found here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3855359.stm).

[usa320]

He knows hes going to die, so now hes just being billigerent and a jackass to drag this trial out as long as he possibly can.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/130097/25_3_070104_saddam_thumbsup.jpg

Let's face it people, Saddam is back, and he's hotter than ever.

He's slimmed down, tanned, and he's got a sharp new look with a sexy beard! Sporting a crisp pinstriped gray suit, Saddam exudes the kind of metero****** charm that today's young women can't resist.

"He told me that I had hips suitable for bearing many fine evil children." squealed one young lady in the courtroom.

"Saddam winked at me, and hinted that I should try to get to his cell later on" giggled Judy Weinstein, court stenographer. "He was incorrigible!"

"He asked me if I had a large back yard, which could accommodate several very large sealed pallets of WMD" stated another woman nearby. But when I refused, he said something like "you will be forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until you burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. You are an enemy of the one true religion!"

Look's like Saddam is taking his bad-boy image to the next level!

[Tranceaddict]

^^^ rofl rofl rofl rofl

He's a hottie.

[SeanAshi]

What is it with Saddam and Kuwait?

[OB Kenobi]

What is it with Saddam and Kuwait?

Funny you say that with Ariel Sharon's picture for your avatar. It's the same thing as the conflict with Israel and Palestine. Iraqis feel Kuwait is part of Iraq. They believe Kuwait is a protectorate created by the UK to steal Iraqi oil.

[chauncy republicans]

I've posted twice before, but what the hell.
p-)
Excerpts from: Telegram no.1979, July 19, 1958, to Prime Minister from Secretary of State, from Washington; file FO 371/132779

After discussions in Washington immediatly after the Iraqi coup, British Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd sent a secret telegram to Prime Minister in wich he considered two options with regard to Kuwait: "immediate British occupation," or "moves toward nominal independence." He advised against the harsher choice. Though..."the advantage of this action would be that we would get our hands firmly on Kuwaiti oil." but "The effect upon international opinion and the rest of the Arab world would not be good." a better choice would be to set up "a kind of Kuwaiti Switzerland where the British do not exercise physical control." But " if this alternative is accepted, we must also accept the need, if things go wrong, ruthlessly to intervene, whoever it is has caused the trouble." He stresses " the complete United States solidarity with us over the Gulf," including the need to "take firm action to maintain our position in Kuwait." and the "similar resolution" of the U.S. "in relations to the Aramco oilfields"(Saudi Arabia) The Americans "agree at all costs these oilfields must be kept in western hands."
"The major British and indeed Western interests in the Pursian Gulf" are...
A) to ensure free access for Britain and other Western countries to oil produced in states bordering the Gulf; B) to ensure the continued avalabilityof that oil on favourable terms and for sterling; and to maintain suitable arangements for the investment of the suurplus revenues of Kuwait; C) to bar the spread of communism and psuedo communism in the area and subsequently beyond;and, as a precondition of this, to defend the area against the brand of Arab nationalism under cover of which the Soviet govornment at presesnt prefers to advance.
"Future Policy in the Pursian Gulf," January 15, 1958, FO 371/132778

[chauncy republicans]

he said something like "you will be forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until you burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. You are an enemy of the one true religion!"
Actually Saddam Hussien is quite the secular man.

[ibstolidude]

I've posted twice before, but what the hell.
p-)
Excerpts from: Telegram no.1979, July 19, 1958, to Prime Minister from Secretary of State, from Washington; file FO 371/132779

After discussions in Washington immediatly after the Iraqi coup, British Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd sent a secret telegram to Prime Minister in wich he considered two options with regard to Kuwait: "immediate British occupation," or "moves toward nominal independence." He advised against the harsher choice. Though..."the advantage of this action would be that we would get our hands firmly on Kuwaiti oil." but "The effect upon international opinion and the rest of the Arab world would not be good." a better choice would be to set up "a kind of Kuwaiti Switzerland where the British do not exercise physical control." But " if this alternative is accepted, we must also accept the need, if things go wrong, ruthlessly to intervene, whoever it is has caused the trouble." He stresses " the complete United States solidarity with us over the Gulf," including the need to "take firm action to maintain our position in Kuwait." and the "similar resolution" of the U.S. "in relations to the Aramco oilfields"(Saudi Arabia) The Americans "agree at all costs these oilfields must be kept in western hands."
"The major British and indeed Western interests in the Pursian Gulf" are...
A) to ensure free access for Britain and other Western countries to oil produced in states bordering the Gulf; B) to ensure the continued avalabilityof that oil on favourable terms and for sterling; and to maintain suitable arangements for the investment of the suurplus revenues of Kuwait; C) to bar the spread of communism and psuedo communism in the area and subsequently beyond;and, as a precondition of this, to defend the area against the brand of Arab nationalism under cover of which the Soviet govornment at presesnt prefers to advance.
"Future Policy in the Pursian Gulf," January 15, 1958, FO 371/132778
why post interpretations of the tele and excerpts? Why post others interjection mixed with quoted texts that are not necassarily in the context of the original authors?

This ranks up there with "letters from the front" crap

I can take excerpts of your past posts, add my own guiding context and shape it to anything I want.

[S'13]

It's the same thing as the conflict with Israel and Palestine.

Strange, I never heard of a state called Palestine... p-)

[Fioraon]

Defiant my ass, he was choking on every word.

[MEGR]

If the Chewbacca theory is used, Saddam is a free man guarenteed.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

OMG this is to funny to pass up..sorry it's so long. It's the actual transcript between Saddam & the Judge.

By far my favorite is when Saddam says:

"Is it allowed to call a president elected by the people and charge him according to a law that was enacted under his will and the will of the people?"

Apparently, Saddam feels that since he was in charge, he wasn't subject to Iraq's laws - essentially being above the law. His lawyer had better shut him up.


CAMP VICTORY — This is a transcript of Saddam Hussein's comments at his arraignment July 1, 2004:

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): ... Hussein Majid, the president of the Republic of Iraq.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): (OFF-MIKE)

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): 1937.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): (OFF-MIKE)

Profession? Former president of the Republic of Iraq?

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, present. Current. It's the will of the people.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The head of the Baath Party that is dissolved, defunct. Former commander and chief of the army.

Residence is Iraq.

Your mother's name?

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Sobha.

TRANSLATOR: He stated the following. After positively I.D.ing the defendant. He was present before us.


HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): May I have clarification?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Go ahead, please.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): You also have to introduce yourself to me.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Mr. Saddam, I am the investigative judge of the central court of Iraq.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): So that I have to know, you are an investigative judge of the central court of Iraq? What resolution, what law formed this court?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): (OFF-MIKE)

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Oh, the coalition forces? So you are an Iraqi that -- you are representing the occupying forces?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, I'm an Iraqi representing Iraq.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): But you are...

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I was appointed by a presidential decree under the former regime.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): So you are reiterating that every Iraqi should respect the Iraqi law. So the law that was instituted before represents the will of the people, right?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, God willing.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): So you should not work under the jurisdiction of the coalition forces.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is an important point. I am a judge. In the former regime, I respect the judges. And I am resuming and continuing my work.

You, as any other citizen, you have to answer to any accusation or charge, that's true. This is an arraignment, a charge. If it can be proven, then you will be convicted. If not, then everything is fine. The judicial due process is to bring back rights. If there's evidence, you'll be convicted. If there's no evidence, you will not.

Until now, you're accused before the judicial system. So according to that...

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): So, please let me -- I'm not complicating matters.

Are you a judge? You are a judge? And judges, they value the law. And they rule by the law, right? Right?

Right is a relative issue. For us, right is our heritage in the Koran, sharia, right?

I am not talking about Saddam Hussein, whether he was a citizen or in other capacities. I'm not holding fast to my position, but to respect the will of the people that decided to choose Saddam Hussein as the leader of the revolution.

Therefore, when I say president of the Republic of Iraq, it's not a formality or a holding fast to a position, but rather to reiterate to the Iraqi people that I respect its will. This is one.

Number two, you summoned me to levy charges -- no, I -- you call it crimes.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The investigative judge -- if there is evidence, then I'll defer it to a court of jurisdiction.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Let me understand something. Who is the defendant? Any defendant when he comes to a court, before that there should be investigation.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is not a court. This is investigation. This is investigation now.

Let me clarify this point. Then I hope that you remember you are a judge empowered by the people. It doesn't really matter whether you convict me or not; that's not what's important. But what is important is that you remember that you're a judge. Then don't mention anything occupying forces. This is not good.

Then judge in the name of people. Then that's good. Then judge in the name of people. This is the Iraqi way.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Mr. Saddam, this is an investigative process before.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): From the legal standpoint, you were notified that I have lawyers, right? Am I not supposed to meet with the lawyers before I come before you?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): If you give me just 10 minutes, let's finish the formalities and I'll come to that. Then if you wait, then you will see that you have rights that are guaranteed. OK. Go ahead.

According to the law, Mr. Saddam, the investigative judge has to give the defendant the charges that are levied against him. And then reading the rights of all the charges according to the law, Article 123, 124 and 125.

The first step is, these articles, were they not signed by Saddam Hussein? Yes, this is the law that was in '73. So then Saddam Hussein was representing the leadership and signed that law. So now you are using the law that Saddam signed against Saddam. Saddam was the people.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Please, the constitution mechanism -- I'm not a lawyer but I understand -- I am originally a man of law. Is it allowed to call a president elected by the people and charge him according to a law that was enacted under his will and the will of the people?

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): There is some contradiction. No.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The judicial process -- let me answer this clarification -- first, I'm not deliberating a case against you, I'm investigating, interrogating you.

Second, the president is a profession, is a position, is a deputy of the society. That's true. And originally, inherently, he's a citizen. And every citizen, according to the law in the constitution, if this person violates a law has to come before the law. And that law you know more than I do.

(AUDIO GATRANSLATOR): So the crimes, the charges: intended killing by using chemical weapons in Halabjah.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, intended killing of a great number of Iraqis in 1983.

Three, intended killing of a number of members of political parties without trials.

Fourth, intended killing of many of the Iraqi religious people.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Fifth, intended killing of many Iraqis in Anfal (ph) without any evidence against it.

You have the right to defend and answer.

These are the guarantees.

Now we come to an important matter. You will have heard the court read the crimes that you're charged -- or were attributed to the accused, Saddam Hussein. And you were told what the articles of the law that apply to those cases. And the court has read to you the rights and the guarantees that any accused is entitled to, which includes the rights of defense and representation and also the right not to answer any question asked, and that will never be used as an evidence against the accused.

And the court also presented to the accused the right to argue the evidence.

The accused requested to meet with defense lawyers that are his private defense lawyers to be present with him in the investigative sessions. And in light of that, the minutes were concluded and the investigation is postponed until the accused is enabled to contact his representation, his lawyers, and another appointment for the next session will be decided.

Yes. The charges that were levied against Saddam Hussein -- go ahead. You should sign so that I can talk to -- OK. Let me sign.

(AUDIO GAP AT SOURCE)

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Allow me. The seventh charge was against Saddam Hussein as president of the republic and the commander in chief of the army. And the army went to Kuwait.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Even though this was not an invasion. Will the law judge Saddam Hussein because he defends Iraq?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): You are in a legal hearing and we will not allow you to speak in any way that is disrespectful to this court.

Saddam Hussein is the president of the Republic of Iraq, and the commander in chief of the armed forces that invaded Kuwait. So officially this is what it was.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then in the formal capacity, is it permissible to charge an official title? And the person is to be dealt with in violation of the guarantees that are afforded by the constitution. This is the law that you're using to use against me now. This is the crux of the matter, Mr. Judge.

Charges are levied because actions were taken in a system whose president was Saddam Hussein but without presidential guarantees.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I would like you to sign these documents formally, and this will go into the record. Answer to those charges. This is investigation. Answer. If you read the minutes, we say that we postpone the investigation.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then please allow me not to sign anything until the lawyers are present.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): That is fine. But this is your...

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I speak for myself.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, as a citizen you have the right. But the guarantees you have to sign because these were read to you, recited to you.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): (OFF-MIKE)

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, no. This is part of the process.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, this is not part of the process.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, this is part of the process.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Anyway, why are you worried? I will come again before you with the presence of the lawyers, and you will be giving me all of these documents again. So why should we rush any action now and make mistakes because of rushed and hasty decisions or actions?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, this is not a hasty decision- making now. I'm just investigating. And we need to conclude and seal the minutes.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No, I will sign when the lawyers are present.

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Then you can leave.

HUSSEIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Finished?

JUDGE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes.

Transcript provided by the Federal Document Clearing House

[2Sheds_Jackson]

he said something like "you will be forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until you burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. You are an enemy of the one true religion!"
Actually Saddam Hussien is quite the secular man.

Well duh. But you'd never know it to listen to him:


Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor.


In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
There are those who, on being told: 'Your enemy has mustered a great force against you and so fear them,' they grew more tenacious in their faith and replied: Allah's help is all -sufficient for us. He is the best Protector'. Thus they earned Allah's grace and bounty and no harm befell them. For they had striven to please Allah, whose, bounty is infinite. It is Satan that prompts men to fear his followers. But have no fear of them. Fear Me, if you are true believers. Do not grieve for those that quickly renounce their faith. They will not harm Allah in the least. He seeks to give them no share in the hereafter. Their punishment shall be terrible indeed.


The entire nation will rise up in defence of its right to life, of its role and of anything it holds sacred ... Their arrows will be on the wrong track or will recoil to their breasts, God willing ....The martyrs of the nation will turn into green birds in paradise as the Merciful has promised.

Let evil be on he who thinks evil..

Long live our glorious nation

Long live Iraq...

Long live Iraq with its brave jihadist army ..

Long live Palestine, free and Arab from the sea to the river... Long live Palestine's freedom fighters and jihadists together with its heroic people...

Glory and heaven be for martyrs....

Glory and heaven be for the martyrs of Iraq, Palestine and the nation....

Allah is the greatest..

Allah is the greatest...

Allah is the greatest

He's a BS artist of the highest caliber.

[chauncy republicans]

he said something like "you will be forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until you burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. You are an enemy of the one true religion!"
Actually Saddam Hussien is quite the secular man.

Well duh. But you'd never know it to listen to him:


Allah is on our side. That is why we will beat the aggressor.


In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
There are those who, on being told: 'Your enemy has mustered a great force against you and so fear them,' they grew more tenacious in their faith and replied: Allah's help is all -sufficient for us. He is the best Protector'. Thus they earned Allah's grace and bounty and no harm befell them. For they had striven to please Allah, whose, bounty is infinite. It is Satan that prompts men to fear his followers. But have no fear of them. Fear Me, if you are true believers. Do not grieve for those that quickly renounce their faith. They will not harm Allah in the least. He seeks to give them no share in the hereafter. Their punishment shall be terrible indeed.


The entire nation will rise up in defence of its right to life, of its role and of anything it holds sacred ... Their arrows will be on the wrong track or will recoil to their breasts, God willing ....The martyrs of the nation will turn into green birds in paradise as the Merciful has promised.

Let evil be on he who thinks evil..

Long live our glorious nation

Long live Iraq...

Long live Iraq with its brave jihadist army ..

Long live Palestine, free and Arab from the sea to the river... Long live Palestine's freedom fighters and jihadists together with its heroic people...

Glory and heaven be for martyrs....

Glory and heaven be for the martyrs of Iraq, Palestine and the nation....

Allah is the greatest..

Allah is the greatest...

Allah is the greatest

He's a BS artist of the highest caliber.
Yeah I know it's quite humorous. :lol:

[chauncy republicans]

I've posted twice before, but what the hell.
p-)
Excerpts from: Telegram no.1979, July 19, 1958, to Prime Minister from Secretary of State, from Washington; file FO 371/132779

After discussions in Washington immediatly after the Iraqi coup, British Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd sent a secret telegram to Prime Minister in wich he considered two options with regard to Kuwait: "immediate British occupation," or "moves toward nominal independence." He advised against the harsher choice. Though..."the advantage of this action would be that we would get our hands firmly on Kuwaiti oil." but "The effect upon international opinion and the rest of the Arab world would not be good." a better choice would be to set up "a kind of Kuwaiti Switzerland where the British do not exercise physical control." But " if this alternative is accepted, we must also accept the need, if things go wrong, ruthlessly to intervene, whoever it is has caused the trouble." He stresses " the complete United States solidarity with us over the Gulf," including the need to "take firm action to maintain our position in Kuwait." and the "similar resolution" of the U.S. "in relations to the Aramco oilfields"(Saudi Arabia) The Americans "agree at all costs these oilfields must be kept in western hands."
"The major British and indeed Western interests in the Pursian Gulf" are...
A) to ensure free access for Britain and other Western countries to oil produced in states bordering the Gulf; B) to ensure the continued avalabilityof that oil on favourable terms and for sterling; and to maintain suitable arangements for the investment of the suurplus revenues of Kuwait; C) to bar the spread of communism and psuedo communism in the area and subsequently beyond;and, as a precondition of this, to defend the area against the brand of Arab nationalism under cover of which the Soviet govornment at presesnt prefers to advance.
"Future Policy in the Pursian Gulf," January 15, 1958, FO 371/132778
why post interpretations of the tele and excerpts? Why post others interjection mixed with quoted texts that are not necassarily in the context of the original authors?

This ranks up there with "letters from the front" crap

I can take excerpts of your past posts, add my own guiding context and shape it to anything I want.
Thats exactly what I did Stoli! I hope you can sleep well tonight now that you've uncovered this diabolical plot of mine. :roll:

[ibstolidude]

I've posted twice before, but what the hell.
p-)
Excerpts from: Telegram no.1979, July 19, 1958, to Prime Minister from Secretary of State, from Washington; file FO 371/132779

After discussions in Washington immediatly after the Iraqi coup, British Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd sent a secret telegram to Prime Minister in wich he considered two options with regard to Kuwait: "immediate British occupation," or "moves toward nominal independence." He advised against the harsher choice. Though..."the advantage of this action would be that we would get our hands firmly on Kuwaiti oil." but "The effect upon international opinion and the rest of the Arab world would not be good." a better choice would be to set up "a kind of Kuwaiti Switzerland where the British do not exercise physical control." But " if this alternative is accepted, we must also accept the need, if things go wrong, ruthlessly to intervene, whoever it is has caused the trouble." He stresses " the complete United States solidarity with us over the Gulf," including the need to "take firm action to maintain our position in Kuwait." and the "similar resolution" of the U.S. "in relations to the Aramco oilfields"(Saudi Arabia) The Americans "agree at all costs these oilfields must be kept in western hands."
"The major British and indeed Western interests in the Pursian Gulf" are...
A) to ensure free access for Britain and other Western countries to oil produced in states bordering the Gulf; B) to ensure the continued avalabilityof that oil on favourable terms and for sterling; and to maintain suitable arangements for the investment of the suurplus revenues of Kuwait; C) to bar the spread of communism and psuedo communism in the area and subsequently beyond;and, as a precondition of this, to defend the area against the brand of Arab nationalism under cover of which the Soviet govornment at presesnt prefers to advance.
"Future Policy in the Pursian Gulf," January 15, 1958, FO 371/132778
why post interpretations of the tele and excerpts? Why post others interjection mixed with quoted texts that are not necassarily in the context of the original authors?

This ranks up there with "letters from the front" crap

I can take excerpts of your past posts, add my own guiding context and shape it to anything I want.
Thats exactly what I did Stoli! I hope you can sleep well tonight now that you've uncovered this diabolical plot of mine. :roll:
actually if you took the time to read the article you would see it is EXACTLY what the author did. that is why it is titled EXCERPTS from telegraph.
the excerpts are quoted; the rest is added context - added by whom, to what end or purpose. For a guy that questions everyone elses credability, you sure do think you carry a lot of water; it appears only others posts can be from illegitimate sources.

So as I posted - these types of "articles"carry little for me as they do not offer the original source, instead they offer the authors own context mixed with quotations or EXCERPTS. But it just goes to show that people will justify belief in anything if it adds legitimacy to their opinion. It reads like a NewsMax story - :roll:

Ofcourse you can choose to DISREGARD the fact this is called "EXCERPTS from" and you think that Man #1 sent a Telegraph to man #2 that starts out with the text:
After discussions in Washington immediatly after the Iraqi coup, British Foreign Secretary Selwyn Lloyd sent a secret telegram to Prime Minister in wich he considered two options with regard to Kuwait: "immediate British occupation," or "moves toward nominal independence."

we all refer to ourselves in the 3rd person.
to Prime Minister from Secretary of State.
hmmm - NewsMax? ;)

Thanks I will sleep well.

[Flagg]

Saddam sure sounded ornery for a guy about to face an old fashioned stoning ;)

Goering was a right pain in the @ss during the Nuremburg trials too......

Hopefully Saddam doesn't go out by his own hand like that fat b@stard Herman