Analysis: Debunking the charms of the Chinese model to the world at large

[Shuimo]

From the Beijing Olympics in 2008 to the Financial Crisis at the moment, China firmly stand at the center of the world's attention as an (if not THE) energetic engine for global strategic stabilty and economic growth. Seems now everybody is now awed about the charms and wonders of China, and a booz word now the Chinese model, presenting a stark contrast of the much familiar Ameircan model!! This is what this follwing article of Debunking the charms of the Chinese model to the world at large (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2009-06-28/201418110613.shtml) in the Guangming Daily is all about!
Do you have any idea about the Chinese model?rofl
Have yr say plz!

[Proudgrandson]

From the Beijing Olympics in 2008 to the Financial Crisis at the moment, China firmly stand at the center of the world's attention as an (if not THE) energetic engine for global strategic stabilty and economic growth. Seems now everybody is now awed about the charms and wonders of China, and a booz word now the Chinese model, presenting a stark contrast of the much familiar Ameircan model!! This is what this follwing article of Debunking the charms of the Chinese model to the world at large (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2009-06-28/201418110613.shtml) in the Guangming Daily is all about!
Do you have any idea about the Chinese model?rofl
Have yr say plz!

I know certain countrys were very silly not to go on manufacturing a very large number of items themselves rather than shift all their manufacturing industry elsewhere.

Cheers for 75% of the goods I've got in my kitchenwoot

[Shuimo]

I know certain countrys were very silly not to go on manufacturing a very large number of items themselves rather than shift all their manufacturing industry elsewhere.

Cheers for 75% of the goods I've got in my kitchenwoot

you got it!
That is one of the secrects to the fascinating Chinese model!rofl
China is now the world's manfacturing powerhouse!rofl

[Proudgrandson]

you got it!
That is one of the secrects to the fascinating Chinese model!rofl
China is now the world's manfacturing powerhouse!rofl

Excellent cuisine as well. Not that India's is bad either:)

[Frutzel]

you got it!
That is one of the secrects to the fascinating Chinese model!rofl
China is now the world's manfacturing powerhouse!rofl

True but your toys suck ass! Quantity great, quality bad

[Shuimo]

Excellent cuisine as well. Not that India's is bad either:)

Hahahha, I guess I should put that into the category of soft power of the Chinse model!rofl

China has 8 major cuisines and boasts resplentdent cuisine cultures unmatched nowhere else!rofl

[Proudgrandson]

Hahahha, I guess I should put that into the category of soft power of the Chinse model!rofl

China has 8 major cuisines and boasts resplentdent cuisine cultures unmatched nowhere else!rofl

One serious point however, has China ever sent troops to participate in any UN peacekeeping force, if China hasn't then perhaps if it seriously wants to become a major player perhaps it should consider it.

Please note I say UN force not any other operations that might be taking place.

[Vityaz]

One serious point however, has China ever sent troops to participate in any UN peacekeeping force, if China hasn't then perhaps if it seriously wants to become a major player perhaps it should consider it.

Haiti.
Sudan. (Take this with however many grains of salt as you want)
West African states (I think)

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-30-voa17.cfm

[Shuimo]

One serious point however, has China ever sent troops to participate in any UN peacekeeping force, if China hasn't then perhaps if it seriously wants to become a major player perhaps it should consider it.

Please note I say UN force not any other operations that might be taking place.

Sure!
China has in recent years sent peace-maintaing corps to Africa!rofl
But that is not the real issue for China at the moment!rofl
China should now concentrate on developing its own domesic economy rather than spending its limited resources in military presence abroad!rofl

[Nightsky]

Haiti.
Sudan. (Take this with however many grains of salt as you want)
West African states (I think)

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-30-voa17.cfm

In terms of international missions, they're also present at the horn of Africa with a naval presence to combat piracy.

[Proudgrandson]

Haiti.
Sudan. (Take this with however many grains of salt as you want)
West African states (I think)

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-30-voa17.cfm


BBC never got round to mentioning that<G>:roll:

[Shuimo]

BBC never got round to mentioning that<G>:roll:

BBC, you know in the Chinse setting, is what?
the Biggest British Columinator!
:bash:

[Shuimo]

True but your toys suck ass! Quantity great, quality bad

WE do make excellent toys!:bash:

It is yr poor customs that fail to do their proper jobs!woot

[acosta]

china model does not work always well. and it's not copitable. and i don't even believe it's a huge success.

china is lagging behind what it should offer the world. yeah, china has made goods cheap, lowered world inflation, benefit the poor around the world. and it's also fuel the financial crisis. but a country as the mass of china, it should be human being's main assets instead of major liability, which china has been for several hundrud years when anglo-saxons took the lead from far east since 1700s or earlier. i know it's shifting back now, but slightly into lost, or just the zigzag way?

the weak link of china's sucess is lack of innovation and deterioration of corrupted social values, just give an exemple, shuimo, you ever heard any scientific novels or scientific tv serial like the X files? like lost? like matrix? today's china is focusing on making money, and doesn't encourge young people to venture into dangerious forefront of everything... inside china, name a few writers, doctors, and scientists, and compare them to their early generations in 1980, does it upset you? i know social phenominon has swing effect, i just hope for the next 20 years, china get back on the track ...

[Frutzel]

WE do make excellent toys!:bash:

It is yr poor customs that fail to do their proper jobs!woot

Well I don't think that lead is an excelent choice to paint the toys for kids. Besides I was a kid myself and I remember which toys were the ones to break down first.

[Shuimo]

china model does not work always well. and it's not copitable. and i don't even believe it's a huge success.

china is lagging behind what it should offer the world. yeah, china has made goods cheap, lowered world inflation, benefit the poor around the world. and it's also fuel the financial crisis. but a country as the mass of china, it should be human being's main assets instead of major liability, which china has been for several hundrud years when anglo-saxons took the lead from far east since 1700s or earlier. i know it's shifting back now, but slightly into lost, or just the zigzag way?

the weak link of china's sucess is lack of innovation and deterioration of corrupted social values, just give an exemple, shuimo, you ever heard any scientific novels or scientific tv serial like the X files? like lost? like matrix? today's china is focusing on making money, and doesn't encourge young people to venture into dangerious forefront of everything... inside china, name a few writers, doctors, and scientists, and compare them to their early generations in 1980, does it upset you? i know social phenominon has swing effect, i just hope for the next 20 years, china get back on the track ...

Come on! You are just too pessimistic about China!rofl
China now is just undergoing a cruciating process of transforamtion!
I admit we still have huge probs in so many apsects! You just need to remember China has only opened itself to the outside world for only 30 years, yet wo achieved sth that would have taken the western countries 300 years! Isn't this a most gloruous achievement?:bash:

Granted another 3 decades of peaceful developement, I am sure China would be back at the world's center stage!

Today's Chinese youngesters are full of innovative ideas and aspiring drives!
Change really starts with the post-1980 generation of Chinese young folks! I assure you! We already have a 29 year old mayor! Which should big news to us all Chinese youngsters!rofl

[acosta]

Come on! You are just too pessimistic about China!rofl
China now is just undergoing a cruciating process of transforamtion!
I admit we still have huge probs in so many apsects! You just need to remember China has only opened itself to the outside world for only 30 years, yet wo achieved sth that would have taken the western countries 300 years! Isn't this a most gloruous achievement?:bash:

Granted another 3 decades of peaceful developement, I am sure China would be back at the world's center stage!

Today's Chinese youngesters are full of innovative ideas and aspiring drives!
Change really starts with the post-1980 generation of Chinese young folks! I assure you! We already have a 29 year old mayor! Which should big news to us all Chinese youngsters!rofl

well, i just heard this 29 year old mayor is in some kind of trouble. you didn't read my post carefully.

[Midav]

Come on! You are just too pessimistic about China!rofl
China now is just undergoing a cruciating process of transforamtion!
I admit we still have huge probs in so many apsects! You just need to remember China has only opened itself to the outside world for only 30 years, yet wo achieved sth that would have taken the western countries 300 years! Isn't this a most gloruous achievement?:bash:

Granted another 3 decades of peaceful developement, I am sure China would be back at the world's center stage!

Today's Chinese youngesters are full of innovative ideas and aspiring drives!
Change really starts with the post-1980 generation of Chinese young folks! I assure you! We already have a 29 year old mayor! Which should big news to us all Chinese youngsters!rofl

I like your posts. So, between you, me and the entire internet, how much do you get paid?

[sinophile]

Come on! You are just too pessimistic about China!rofl

50% of this flow of trade is gone. Nothing but dark skies ahead. Pessimism now is appropriate.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2008/10/20/21.10.08.China.exports.gif

[XShipRider]

China now is just undergoing a cruciating process of transforamtion!
I admit we still have huge probs in so many apsects! You just need to remember China has only opened itself to the outside world for only 30 years, yet wo achieved sth that would have taken the western countries 300 years! Isn't this a most gloruous achievement?:bash:



The industrial revolution currently being experienced by China is relatively easy compared to those of the rest of the world. China doesn't have to invent, innovate or develop anything because they're picking up where the rest of the world left off 50-100 years ago. The difference -- France, Britain, Germany and the US went through decades of development, having to invent along the way, to achieve their industrial might. China comes along adopting very old ideas -- coal fired power and industrial plants ala Beijing Olympics -- and calls this progress. They'll pollute themselves to death at this rate of growth.

Our industrial revolutions too produced cheap goods. That is, until labor laws and unions came onto the scene. The combination of these two brought about needed changes to our systems of production until production costs were driven so high that cheap, overseas labor (see; China or India) supplanted domestic labor. China will experience much the same. And if your truism holds, "... China has only opened itself to the outside world for only 30 years, yet wo achieved sth that would have taken the western countries 300 years! Isn't this a most gloruous achievement?" -- then the downfall will be much more sudden and dramatic as well.

[King of the Grey]

Originally Posted by acosta http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4229301#post4229301)
china model does not work always well. and it's not copitable. and i don't even believe it's a huge success.

china is lagging behind what it should offer the world. yeah, china has made goods cheap, lowered world inflation, benefit the poor around the world. and it's also fuel the financial crisis. but a country as the mass of china, it should be human being's main assets instead of major liability, which china has been for several hundrud years when anglo-saxons took the lead from far east since 1700s or earlier. i know it's shifting back now, but slightly into lost, or just the zigzag way?

the weak link of china's sucess is lack of innovation and deterioration of corrupted social values, just give an exemple, shuimo, you ever heard any scientific novels or scientific tv serial like the X files? like lost? like matrix? today's china is focusing on making money, and doesn't encourge young people to venture into dangerious forefront of everything... inside china, name a few writers, doctors, and scientists, and compare them to their early generations in 1980, does it upset you? i know social phenominon has swing effect, i just hope for the next 20 years, china get back on the track ...


saying because China didn't produce X-Files or Lost thus no innovation...is a pretty weak and infantile argument...maybe we Chinese never really liked UFOs, or time-space continiums, or covert govt.conspiracies as our daily TV diet?? If we want to learn about govt. conspiracies and state secrets, we just need to read the news and see who/what are censorsed...

What China is lacking is its 'soft power', which requires a civic population at least. We're developing that, whats coming out of China in the cultural scene, i think its v.exciting and refreshing even when under the constant threat of censorship. Young Chinese are moving forward and not only looking back at the '4 Greatest Inventions' or literay classics written 2000 years ago by Confucious...

Chinese model of economy has always been based on 'savings', as with many Asian countries. Govt. doesn't wanna lose face, hence the anticipated 'bust' by Western prediction...all i gotta say, if it indeed go bust...you won't realize it until its either over, or has been dealt with...

[Holmes85]

50% of this flow of trade is gone. Nothing but dark skies ahead. Pessimism now is appropriate.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2008/10/20/21.10.08.China.exports.gif

I'm not an economist, but couldn't this also stimulate home-grown economies and also increased trade with countries we haven't traded in a while with or even before?