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acosta
06-30-2009, 04:13 AM
Is U.S. Hyperinflation a Real Possibility?

By Anand Chokkavelu

Let's get one thing clear from the get-go: Hyperinflation is an extreme occurrence.

In the worst-case scenario of hyperinflation, a country's currency is rendered worthless; a trillion dollars wouldn't buy you a Coke. Uber-reporter Michael Lewis wrote an eye-opening account of the kinds of things he saw while visiting recent hyperinflation victim Iceland: an epidemic of people blowing up their Range Rovers for insurance money, hoarding food and foreign currency, and seriously contemplating emigrating from the country.

Stepping back from that dire possibility, a more conservative definition of hyperinflation is a doubling of prices over three years. For the century or so we've been keeping track, the U.S. hasn't come close.

In fact, we're spoiled, because we haven't seen a year with double-digit annual inflation in the last 25 years. However, we did experience it in the 1910's, the 1920's, the 1940's, the 1970's, and the early 1980's.

Just because hyperinflation hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. But inflation of the triple-digit variety is a doomsday case that would require a massive devaluation of the U.S. dollar, and a weakening of the U.S. economy, on a scale much larger than even what we're seeing now. In short, the world would have to completely distrust the U.S.'s future earning power for hyperinflation to occur.

That happened to Iceland. But remember that Iceland was a small fishing country (population: roughly 300,000) that morphed into an international banking hub overnight. The U.S. banking problems are bad, but we have the rest of our income-producing industries to fall back on. While hyperinflation in the U.S. is possible, it's just not very likely.

Scary possibilities
So let's focus on two concerns that have a much greater likelihood: a return to double-digit inflation, and a return to that hallmark of the Great Depression, deflation.

Is it rational to be concerned about both inflation and deflation? Absolutely.

We should certainly worry about deflation. When one of our nation's primary asset classes (housing) is coming down from historic bubble, there's tremendous deflationary pressure put on the economy, and prices rapidly decline. That's bad, because once deflation starts, it's in everyone's interest to slow spending -- a dollar today is worth less than a dollar tomorrow. When everyone slows their spending, the economy comes grinding to a halt, ensuring that people don't have to the money to spend, even if they wanted to.

This is exactly what happened during the Great Depression. We experienced annual deflation of 2.3%, 9%, 9.9%, and 5.1% from 1930 to 1933. The economy was in shambles. Real GDP plummeted (it fell 13% in 1932 alone) and at one point, unemployment reached one-fourth of the population. Yes, 25% of all Americans were out of work. Families split up to scour the country looking for jobs, shantytowns sprouted, and we feared hunger as much as fear itself. It's about as close as this country has come to an economic Armageddon.

Ben Bernanke: arch-nemesis of deflation
Of course, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke knows this. He's studied the Great Depression, and he clearly manages the economy trying desperately to avoid a deflationary spiral. This is why he's reduced the government interest rates to virtually zero. It's why he's printing money by the trillions, despite its limited effectiveness in spurring banks to lend.

Assuming these government actions work, double-digit inflation will be the more likely result. All the moves the government is making to forestall deflation are by definition inflationary. The excess money in the economy, the low interest rates, and the tremendous increase in the national debt can all combine to devalue the American dollar and pump up inflation.

are you prepared? and what wiil you do to protect youself?

Scriptable
06-30-2009, 04:15 AM
Buy gold and Aussie dollars?

acosta
06-30-2009, 04:18 AM
nice options. but i am hesitate to grab gold now, nearly 1000... anyone think of REIT?


Buy gold and Aussie dollars?

Scriptable
06-30-2009, 04:20 AM
nice options. but i am hesitate to grab gold now, nearly 1000... anyone think of REIT?
Real Estate Investment Trusts? I think a better option would be investment in arable land for farming with a good water supply.

acosta
06-30-2009, 04:23 AM
nope, vegies are the last link in the inflated circle. but land is good.

acosta
06-30-2009, 04:30 AM
i m going to take a nap, before inflation ruin me. check, pleace...

AmandlaEwetu
06-30-2009, 04:31 AM
buy baked beans and rice

Kilgor
06-30-2009, 04:33 AM
Buy spam and a sturdy bolt action.

worked in ww2.

a_very_ex_STAB
06-30-2009, 04:40 AM
Buy spam and a sturdy bolt action.

worked in ww2.

I have the sturdy bolt action but the missus hates spam. What do I do?:)

Proudgrandson
06-30-2009, 05:59 AM
I have the sturdy bolt action but the missus hates spam. What do I do?:)

Corned beef?

LazerLordz
06-30-2009, 06:56 AM
Corned beef?

Corned pork will do too. p-)

a_very_ex_STAB
06-30-2009, 07:23 AM
Corned pork will do too. p-)

I suppose if things get really bad we'll just have to eat each other.

What's the best way to butcher and cook chav - they're the most abundant emergency food supply where I live?

rgjbloke
06-30-2009, 07:25 AM
I suppose if things get really bad we'll just have to eat each other.

What's the best way to butcher and cook chav - they're the most abundant emergency food supply where I live?

Slowly over a bonfire in the garden. :)

a_very_ex_STAB
06-30-2009, 07:36 AM
Slowly over a bonfire in the garden. :)


Do they have to be dead when you start turning the spit?

Sand Man
06-30-2009, 07:44 AM
I have the sturdy bolt action but the missus hates spam. What do I do?:)

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lpcgz.jpg

... has not let me down in yeazz :)

LRPV
06-30-2009, 10:23 AM
"Assuming these government actions work, double-digit inflation will be the more likely result. All the moves the government is making to forestall deflation are by definition inflationary. The excess money in the economy, the low interest rates, and the tremendous increase in the national debt can all combine to devalue the American dollar and pump up inflation. "


Fair enough, but so far the Goverrnment stimulus packages have worked, certainly in Australia. Policy can alter to minimise the inflationary effect.

Herman the II
06-30-2009, 10:30 AM
are you prepared? and what wiil you do to protect youself?

Right now the EU is running into a deflation. I'm not that worried about inflation...



Eurozone suffers deflation for first time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5696639/Eurozone-suffers-deflation-for-first-time.html

Mastermind
06-30-2009, 02:00 PM
Taking a bit more serious outlook on the question, avoiding the curious remakrs on SPAM, I observe:

First - The United States, by some very reliable accounts, has printed up almost 11 trillion worth of currency (that's a number I read in Time and I don't have the resource on it, so don't bother). I have counted up, my self, about 8 trillion since the beginning of 2007. There is practically no possible way any nation can go into that much debt (17 times their national budget) and not suffer some sort of dire consequence.

The US has also taken a lurching and very awkward (ill prepared) lurch to the left, and is now toying with blatant socialism. Some Obama administration officials have gone on record actually decrying the US past history of defending and supporting freedom and democracy around the world. Obama himself has come out openly praising and refusing to criticize communist and socialist regimes that have crushed freedom, Castro, Chaves and even, more recently, the President of Honduras who openly was forcing the nation into a dictatorial socialist state, ignoring the rule of law and following the Venezuelan model of taking over a free democratic nation. Obama, and the current slate of Democrats in the legislative have been speaking freely about accomplishing social programs that once , only a decade ago, would have been a death post for any American politician.

Socialist programs by definition must be run in direct opposition to free markets. They abhor free markets and capitalist societies that depend on them.

There can thus be just one conclusion…the US will turn into a socialist state very much like the old USSR…post Stalin probably. But, there are no guarantees. The old, freedom Americans are dying out as the baby boomers reach their climax of pressure on the entire system….the young are frustrated at not being able to afford a home and the working class are seeing their dreams go up in smoke as the economy worsens.

What will be the result on the world economy? I suggest the Chinese are the solution, with some seasoning from India and the “New” quasi socialist/communist state of Russia. They already have the keys to the socialist limo and the US is just beginning to crush her freedoms and has hardly learned how to drive it…there will be blood over this and the resulting confusion (*** chaos) will deeply weaken the traditional global trust of the US industrial/economic engine…this is very much what happened to Great Britain after the 1st WW to present. It may take time, but considering the rapidity of the developments in just the last few years, I suspect it will happen practically overnight.

The harsh conditions of the world economy will dictate (by pure necessity) the abandonment of most of the world’s needy nations, forcing a great many people to die, and result in huge changes in the global structure of the third worlders. Nations that have been taken for grated, such as Mexico and many of the upwardly mobile nations, such as Brazil and Argentina, will quickly step in to fill the vast vacuum the US leaves behind (in economic terms). However, Russia, possibly with China, certainly with India will become the great competitors dictating world affairs. The US will not be an entirely orphaned state…but will be so drained economically, she will follow the lead, probably of China since China holds so much US debt, the US will not be able to resist her direction on the world stage….very much, again, like GB after WWII. Japan will continue to rise, so will Indonesia and S. Korea…their economic engines are still in tune, though have experienced some sputtering…but their people are so industrious and they have proven themselves able to manage their social loading with retirement and health care, within their economic models.

How does this bode for the average US citizen? The average American will become very disillusioned by her politicians and the people will seek just about any charismatic joker who promises them a better life….(sound eerily familiar). The traditional political structures will crumble, probably into a many party system. Political turmoil will follow, and the economy will continue to slide, in some times, avalanche. Americans will know and experience severe depression, and probably massive inflation (much worse than deflation…at least with deflation, savings are not wiped out). They will be a sad lot…suffering hunger (something they have not know for seventy years)…already a vast array of her strongest economic institutions have bitten the dust, her industrial giants have fallen GM, Chrysler to name but a few. The new and idiotic environmental and “Global Warming” legislations will drive the rest of her great industries; mining, steel making, aluminum, concrete, lumber into offshore enterprises, much to the delight of many of the new world nations. Unemployment will reach all time record levels, and the vast majority of Americans will suffer terribly with energy costs so far out of affordable range, they will revert to a pre-1910 living condition.

Of course, there is always the remote chance Americans will wake up at the last opportunity and return their nation to it’s pre-Obama, Pre-Bush days…but, this is not likely since the American people are but a sad shadow of their once proud freedom loving selves. They have become lethargic and quite indifferent to their nation’s peril. They really have become slugs, quite willing to accept slime trails for dinner rather than risk the slightest bit of effort to hold on to the freedom that was paid for so dearly by their ancestor’s blood.

That’s just my humble option on the question posed. MM

XShipRider
07-01-2009, 07:09 AM
MM,

Probably a bit more doom than I would predict but I really like this sentence:


Socialist programs by definition must be run in direct opposition to free markets. They abhor free markets and capitalist societies that depend on them.

But you could well be on target.

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