Geezah
07-01-2004, 04:34 PM
Hopefully this will get the page backon track,
Well sorry I am late here, I have been very busy f late, hell I haven’t even posted anything here for almost a week now, so it wasn’t just this post. Anyways you knew it was coming and by the fact that you even put my name in your avatar, well that only tells me how much anticipation you have for my follow up post………..great……here enjoy…………..
Hey, I was just having a laugh and seeing as the majority of Israeli's on this board have plan for some type of Zionist takeover ;)
Again I don't remember trying to compare the two? Again you tried to compare the two in how you feel (wrongly) that you experienced the same that we do, when in reality you don’t!!
Now understand and I certainly get that your nation has also experienced terrorism, however I just don’t think what you face and what we face daily are the same!!
I found this interesting information last week, I'll cut and paste as I want to make sure you see what I'm talking about,
"The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein Bombing Campaign on the British Mainland"
29th August 1973 The IRA explodes two bombs in Warwickshire and Solihull in England.
10th September 1973 The IRA explodes two bombs at London Railway stations
23rd September 1973 A soldier dies when a bomb he is trying to defuse explodes in Birmingham
4th February 1974 A bomb planted by the IRA on a coach carrying soldiers and their families explodes near Bradford, killing a eleven people. Many of the bodies are thrown 200 metres by the force of the blast.
12th February 1974 Ten people are injured when a bomb goes off in Buckinghamshire, England.
17th June 1974 Elven people are injured when the IRA explode a 20 Ib bomb at Westminster Hall in London.
14th July 1974 Bombs planted by the IRA go off in Birmingham and Manchester
17th July 1974 One person is killed and forty injured when an IRA bomb goes off in the Tower of London
5th October 1974 The IRA kill five people and injured fifty four when a bomb explodes without warning in two pubs in Guildford, Surrey.
21st November 1974 When bombs explode at the Mulberry Bush and Tavern in Birmingham nineteen people are killed and one hundred and eighty injured by bombs planted by the IRA.
27th January 1975 The IRA explodes four bombs in London while nineteen are injured in another explosion in Manchester
9th October 1975 The IRA plant a bomb on the 'tube' station in London killing one person
23rd October 1975 A bomb planted by the IRA explodes outside a conservative MPs house in London killing a passer by.
18th November 1975 The Provisional IRA plant a bomb in a London restaurant killing two and injuring twenty three.
29th January 1977 The IRA explode several bombs in the West End of London
10th October 1981 Chelsea barracks in London is bombed by the IRA/Sinn Fein, a woman and a man are killed and forty people injured. Twenty three soldiers were amongst the list of the injured.
26th October 1981 A police explosives expert is killed trying to defuse a bomb in Oxford Street, London
29th July 1982 Two bombs planted by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein go off at Knightsbridge and Regent's Park, London, killing eight soldiers. As a mounted detachment travels through Hyde Park on its way to change the guard at Horse Guards Parade the first bomb goes off killing two guardsmen and injuring seventeen civilians onlookers. Seven army horses are also killed. Two hours later a bomb explodes under the band stand in Regent's Park killing six bandsmen and injuring twenty four. One bandsman body was hurled 40 metres with the force of the explosion his body was impaled on park railings.
17th December 1983 A IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes outside Harrod's department store in London. Three police officers are killed and three civilians are killed more than ninety are injured some seriously.
12th October 1984 The Grand Hotel, Brighton is bombed by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein during a conservative party conference as the IRA try to kill most of the British cabinet. Five people where killed as the 20 IB bomb went off taking four floors out of the middle of the building. In a statement the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein said "Today, we were unlucky, but remember, we only have to be lucky once - you will have to be lucky always."
1st August 1988 The IRA attacked Inglis barracks in London killing one soldier and injuring nine others in a bomb attack.
22nd September 1989 The IRA plant a bomb in the barracks of the Royal Marines School of music in Deal, Kent. Ten of the bandsmen are killed and twenty two are injured some seriously.
1st June 1990 The Provisional IRA shoot dead a army recruit and two others are wounded as they wait to take a train at Lichfield station, Staffordshires.
1990 The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein explode a bomb at the Carlton Club no-one is injured.
20th July 1990 A IRA bomb explodes at the stock exchange causing a lot of damage but no-one is injured.
18th September 1990 Sir Peter Terry, Air Chief Marshal is shot and wounded in an IRA/Sinn Fein attack at his home in Stafford. Sir Terry was the person who authorised the use of the SAS in Gibraltar which resulted in three Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein members being shot dead as they done mock dry runs to plant a bomb.
30th July 1990 Ian Gow, the conservative MP for Eastbourne is murdered by the Provisional IRA outside his home by a bomb planted under the front seat of his car. This attack was seen as many as an indirect threat to Margaret Thatcher as Ian Gow was one of her closest friends.
7th February 1991 The Provisioal IRA fire a mortar bomb into the garden of 10 Downing Street. One of the mortars lands less than fifteen feet from where the Prime Minister John Major is holding a meeting.
18th February 1991 The Provisional IRA explode a bomb at Victoria Station in London killing one person and injuring forty three others during the morning rush hour.
10th April 1992 Three people are killed in London when three Provisional IRA bombs explode in the City centre. In August the 'Belfast Telegraph' reports that £800 million pound has been paid out in insurance cliams as a result of the bombing of London City Centre. This compares with £615 million paid out since 1969 since the 'troubles' started in Northern Ireland.
15th February 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb is defused in Charing Cross Road, London. The bomb contained 11Ib of plastic semtex. This would have caused carnage had it gone off.
9th March 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes in Fulham, West London estimated at 2Ib in size by the security forces..
17th April 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes in Earls Court.
24th April 1996 Two Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bombs explode under Hammersmith Bridge in London causing only minor damage as they only partially detonated. Fergus Finlay an adviser of **** Spring says on Ch 4 television that talks without Sinn Fein 'are not worth a penny candle'.
15th June 1996 The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein explode a 3,500Ib bomb in Manchester, injuring 200 people and cause damage estimated between £100 and £300 million pound.
23rd September 1996 In a raid on a house in London security forces discover more than 20,000Ib of home made explosives hidden in a warehouse.
3rd April 1996 Two Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bombs are discovered close to the motorway near Birmingham and the normally very busy motorway is closed to all traffic.
5th April 1996 The IRA/Sinn Fein force officals of the Grand National to postponed the race for two days due to a bomb scare on the course. There are also a number of IRA/Sinn Fein bomb blasts throughout the English country side disrupting rail and road services.
Link (http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/mainland.htm)
The link provided gives details about the bomb under Hammersmith bridge and another I forgot about that was in Fulham outside a cemetary, I used to work in this area for a company called F & M services(Zanussi) and we covered all of the West End, West London and just slighty into Nroth London.Hammersmith Bridge (http://www-tech.mit.edu/Issue/V116/N21/bomb.21w.html)
When this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/26/newsid_2499000/2499619.stm) went off I had only been working for F & M aout two months and was on a call with another Engineer we both felt the shockwaves off the bomb as we went outside to get parts off the truck!
Also just going back to something we had talked about earlier, apprentetly the attack on the King David hotel left 91 people dead and the majority of those dead were civilians not Military!
Though I say again, you still did a lot of what we did in some of your conflicts, and I might add with much less vital national security at your stake, but yes I do admit you did it much less and its as such, simply because you don’t face what we do.
I think you should read over the above you will find that everyone was a target!
Hey, I'm just trying to confirm what I said......seeing as you know everything!? No I never claimed I know everything and certainly I am not as educated about your conflict as I am on mine, and on yours, I made a few statements claiming that as far as I know, the IRA had no stated goal of destroying great Britain and that is just one of the MAJOR differences to what we face, so up to now you have not contradicted what I just said, so I take it you cant.
Good, lets move on………… :D
Yes lets but before we do please read the my above posted list of IRA attacks
You make it sound like it was the landing at Normandy? was it that bad? what does Normandy have to do with anything? :roll: Anyways I am not going to play your game here, what I wrote above is very clear and yes indeed, what “we” faced in Gaza was indeed a all our urban combat in a full war zone. It’s a simple as that, now where it compares to is not in the realm of this discussion here.
Im not talking about Gaza, I'm talking about Rafah, maybe it's just the way you presented the fighting in that area to me, it sounded like the beach landings at Normandy.
No, you're telling me that everywhere the IDF is is a warzone? so by that I'm ignorant to everything the IDF does. Yes when the IDF goes in, it is a war zone simply by the fact that the palis make it as such when they use every inch of the land there, be it homes, green houses, zoos, to engage in a war, simply to protect their arms smuggling tunnels, where those tunnels we have every right to go in to stop.
Its not just about you being ignorant to what the IDF does but rather your simple ignorance to what a war zone is and what we face.
So what you're telling me is that Israel is a warzone?
NI was a warzone seeing as the Military have been there for years and were constantly patrolling,which in my mind makes it a warzone,
(Ok I edited my first message and I'll add this) and this affected us in Britain because of the IRAs past history there was a constant fear of attack so we were warned to constantly be vigilant of suspect packages or suspicious people and the such, so please don't downplay what we experienced in the UK
Anyways after a quick search I found two sites, one is a pali site (hardly a pro Israel site and you can see that after a quick glance from reading the rest there), and the other site is from the Jerusalem post.
1930s, British administration in Palestine uses house demolition as a means of quelling the indigenous uprising against British rule. 1936-1939 the British demolished more than 5,000 Palestinian homes.
For that link click Here (http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=3782&CategoryId=2)
This was an interresting read, thank you I also found this,
WOW....sorry got sidetracked hahaha ;) yes indeed I guess I should have expected you to continue on with your grasping for straws and going for any side issues simply to divert from the point that I proved to you :roll:
I was just supplying information from a link you gave me, so I assumed it was a credible link ;)
Listen, you cutting and pasting a whole long article simply further shows the lack of depth and knowledge on this conflict, a conflict that you decided to make tons of comments on….
Come on, without reading these articles that you don't seem to like, how are we to be educated on the past events?
By Rafael Medoff - April 22, 2002. From: Jerusalem Post
"Demolishing the homes of Arab civilians... Shooting handcuffed prisoners... Forcing local Arabs to test areas where mines may have been planted..."
These sound like the sort of accusations made by British and other European officials concerning Israel's recent actions in Jenin. In fact, they are descriptions from official British documents concerning the methods used by the British authorities to combat Palestinian Arab terrorism in Jenin and elsewhere in 1938.
It was off the link you provided so again I took the information as being credible ;)
Wow....big difference between 5,000 and 200,000 homes but I guess you guys just ran with it! :I never said your situation is like ours, get that very clear, however all I said was that we got that PRACTICE from you and well you did those actions in what I believe is not even the same situation as what we face.
Ok with that said, lets now do some examinations on what your saying here if I may……… ;)
First, a lot of the homes that we destroyed was in the midst of war (and that 200,000 figure I believe is exaggerated but that’s for another day and thread ;) ) and even that heavily biased site claims that some (well I say a lot) were destroyed in the war, meaning not simply we went to destroy them but rather in the normal course of a war where homes do get destroyed, unlike that initial British practice where the sole aim was to set out and destroy homes!!. Secondly most of those homes that were destroyed in the early years, were mostly empty homes and it was homes of people that fled on their own.
Lastly and more impotently as it pertains to you and your numbers, well you destroyed over 5000 in just three years there, much more then we have done in the past four years of intensive conflict that we have been in, now if you do that many in that short of a time, imagine you stayed there till now and put up with what we have to for over 50 plus years, well the number would also be A LOT higher then just that 5000, probably more like in our range or even higher.
Ok, I ran with this and worked it out, in 3yrs we demolished 5,000 homes. Divide that by 3=1,666.66 home a yr, then times it by lets say 65(yrs) that equals 108,333.33 homes, so even if we worked it out that way you guys are still in the lead but as you said the 200,000 mark must be off :cantbeli:
Wow....lets pass it off, so again Israel is right everyone else is WRONG! :cantbeli: No, just everyone is hypocritical!! oh and I guess they are all right when they do it but when Jews do it is wrong
So the whole World is wrong but Israel is never wrong!
200,000 :cantbeli: :cantbeli: Wow so you can prove we have destroyed 200,000 homes for this anti terror security fence?
Let me see a link to that!!!!
Maybe you missed the part where I advised that the homes that were knocked down for your fence were in there with the 200,000 homes that were knocked down, but seeing as you can dispute the 200,000 I don't believe we knocked down 5,000 ;)
I guess this shows you cant!! Simply because the fact that we haven’t destroyed many for that fence!!
Well supply the numbers and prove me wrong?
Present....when......I don't remember IRA members houses being demolished? Again with houses, yes with regards to the Brits, that was the past (and something we got it from ) though the Americans it is the present.
Who learnt this from the Israeli's?
5,000 against 200,000 :cantbeli: Again we got that practice from you, so great I see you accepted that fact, finally ;) …..as for numbers, yes you did it in 3 years, so I guess if you'd continued on staying there till now, well you do the math, but I can guarantee you it would be A LOT more.
Allot more than 200,000 also please advise on how you worked out that the British would have knocked down more?
As for home demolitions I merely pointed it out to show how absurd it is for you to harp on us when in fact we got that practice from YOU!!
So have you been supplying the Palestinians with any smallpox infested blankets?
killed innocent civilians, etc.. yes on those that you accuse us, you have done the same and again I believe with much less of a threat to your vital national security at you stake.
I'd be interested to see this information?
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Basically in simpler terms, yes you are allowed a voice, though at the same token, I am allowed to show you how that voice is patently ignorant and blind to the realities that you decided to put forth your voice on ;)
So the Military is always right in what it does and the Military does not have to answer to the people?
I guess I'm not so ignorant now because I lived in a warzone too ;) No trust me you just IMO made a big fool out of yourself to ones on this board that did serve and indeed know what a real combat war zone is but yet have to read some armchair civilian try to say that being vigilant in a city or having one mortar hit a place is like the war zones that SOME of us soldiers have experienced in the urban combat zones that we have been in.
I'm not trying to take anything away from those that have served their Countries, so please don't make out that that was my intention, but by what you've said above does that mean that any innocent chikd that has been blown up by a terrorist is not in a warzone?
P.S. Wow I am flattered that you took the time to place my name in your avatar location, though I would say no need to falsely flatter yourself as if you effect me that much where I feel the need to go after you, or take over your patio as you put it, hell I even said I wouldn’t mind going shooting with you, though now on second thought, I guess you are all armed and ready and I see even if I came over for that friendly shoot, after what happens to me, you’ll claim to the police that “hey he tried to take over my patio and well it was self defense yada yada… ;) actually on second thought, never mind, as long as we are both armed, I am not worried in the least about you getting off a first shot ;)
Shalom :D
I would say you're slightly paranoid which I'm not, seeing as you're "Training for the Zionist world takeover" :P
Well sorry I am late here, I have been very busy f late, hell I haven’t even posted anything here for almost a week now, so it wasn’t just this post. Anyways you knew it was coming and by the fact that you even put my name in your avatar, well that only tells me how much anticipation you have for my follow up post………..great……here enjoy…………..
Hey, I was just having a laugh and seeing as the majority of Israeli's on this board have plan for some type of Zionist takeover ;)
Again I don't remember trying to compare the two? Again you tried to compare the two in how you feel (wrongly) that you experienced the same that we do, when in reality you don’t!!
Now understand and I certainly get that your nation has also experienced terrorism, however I just don’t think what you face and what we face daily are the same!!
I found this interesting information last week, I'll cut and paste as I want to make sure you see what I'm talking about,
"The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein Bombing Campaign on the British Mainland"
29th August 1973 The IRA explodes two bombs in Warwickshire and Solihull in England.
10th September 1973 The IRA explodes two bombs at London Railway stations
23rd September 1973 A soldier dies when a bomb he is trying to defuse explodes in Birmingham
4th February 1974 A bomb planted by the IRA on a coach carrying soldiers and their families explodes near Bradford, killing a eleven people. Many of the bodies are thrown 200 metres by the force of the blast.
12th February 1974 Ten people are injured when a bomb goes off in Buckinghamshire, England.
17th June 1974 Elven people are injured when the IRA explode a 20 Ib bomb at Westminster Hall in London.
14th July 1974 Bombs planted by the IRA go off in Birmingham and Manchester
17th July 1974 One person is killed and forty injured when an IRA bomb goes off in the Tower of London
5th October 1974 The IRA kill five people and injured fifty four when a bomb explodes without warning in two pubs in Guildford, Surrey.
21st November 1974 When bombs explode at the Mulberry Bush and Tavern in Birmingham nineteen people are killed and one hundred and eighty injured by bombs planted by the IRA.
27th January 1975 The IRA explodes four bombs in London while nineteen are injured in another explosion in Manchester
9th October 1975 The IRA plant a bomb on the 'tube' station in London killing one person
23rd October 1975 A bomb planted by the IRA explodes outside a conservative MPs house in London killing a passer by.
18th November 1975 The Provisional IRA plant a bomb in a London restaurant killing two and injuring twenty three.
29th January 1977 The IRA explode several bombs in the West End of London
10th October 1981 Chelsea barracks in London is bombed by the IRA/Sinn Fein, a woman and a man are killed and forty people injured. Twenty three soldiers were amongst the list of the injured.
26th October 1981 A police explosives expert is killed trying to defuse a bomb in Oxford Street, London
29th July 1982 Two bombs planted by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein go off at Knightsbridge and Regent's Park, London, killing eight soldiers. As a mounted detachment travels through Hyde Park on its way to change the guard at Horse Guards Parade the first bomb goes off killing two guardsmen and injuring seventeen civilians onlookers. Seven army horses are also killed. Two hours later a bomb explodes under the band stand in Regent's Park killing six bandsmen and injuring twenty four. One bandsman body was hurled 40 metres with the force of the explosion his body was impaled on park railings.
17th December 1983 A IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes outside Harrod's department store in London. Three police officers are killed and three civilians are killed more than ninety are injured some seriously.
12th October 1984 The Grand Hotel, Brighton is bombed by the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein during a conservative party conference as the IRA try to kill most of the British cabinet. Five people where killed as the 20 IB bomb went off taking four floors out of the middle of the building. In a statement the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein said "Today, we were unlucky, but remember, we only have to be lucky once - you will have to be lucky always."
1st August 1988 The IRA attacked Inglis barracks in London killing one soldier and injuring nine others in a bomb attack.
22nd September 1989 The IRA plant a bomb in the barracks of the Royal Marines School of music in Deal, Kent. Ten of the bandsmen are killed and twenty two are injured some seriously.
1st June 1990 The Provisional IRA shoot dead a army recruit and two others are wounded as they wait to take a train at Lichfield station, Staffordshires.
1990 The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein explode a bomb at the Carlton Club no-one is injured.
20th July 1990 A IRA bomb explodes at the stock exchange causing a lot of damage but no-one is injured.
18th September 1990 Sir Peter Terry, Air Chief Marshal is shot and wounded in an IRA/Sinn Fein attack at his home in Stafford. Sir Terry was the person who authorised the use of the SAS in Gibraltar which resulted in three Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein members being shot dead as they done mock dry runs to plant a bomb.
30th July 1990 Ian Gow, the conservative MP for Eastbourne is murdered by the Provisional IRA outside his home by a bomb planted under the front seat of his car. This attack was seen as many as an indirect threat to Margaret Thatcher as Ian Gow was one of her closest friends.
7th February 1991 The Provisioal IRA fire a mortar bomb into the garden of 10 Downing Street. One of the mortars lands less than fifteen feet from where the Prime Minister John Major is holding a meeting.
18th February 1991 The Provisional IRA explode a bomb at Victoria Station in London killing one person and injuring forty three others during the morning rush hour.
10th April 1992 Three people are killed in London when three Provisional IRA bombs explode in the City centre. In August the 'Belfast Telegraph' reports that £800 million pound has been paid out in insurance cliams as a result of the bombing of London City Centre. This compares with £615 million paid out since 1969 since the 'troubles' started in Northern Ireland.
15th February 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb is defused in Charing Cross Road, London. The bomb contained 11Ib of plastic semtex. This would have caused carnage had it gone off.
9th March 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes in Fulham, West London estimated at 2Ib in size by the security forces..
17th April 1996 A Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bomb explodes in Earls Court.
24th April 1996 Two Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bombs explode under Hammersmith Bridge in London causing only minor damage as they only partially detonated. Fergus Finlay an adviser of **** Spring says on Ch 4 television that talks without Sinn Fein 'are not worth a penny candle'.
15th June 1996 The Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein explode a 3,500Ib bomb in Manchester, injuring 200 people and cause damage estimated between £100 and £300 million pound.
23rd September 1996 In a raid on a house in London security forces discover more than 20,000Ib of home made explosives hidden in a warehouse.
3rd April 1996 Two Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein bombs are discovered close to the motorway near Birmingham and the normally very busy motorway is closed to all traffic.
5th April 1996 The IRA/Sinn Fein force officals of the Grand National to postponed the race for two days due to a bomb scare on the course. There are also a number of IRA/Sinn Fein bomb blasts throughout the English country side disrupting rail and road services.
Link (http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/mainland.htm)
The link provided gives details about the bomb under Hammersmith bridge and another I forgot about that was in Fulham outside a cemetary, I used to work in this area for a company called F & M services(Zanussi) and we covered all of the West End, West London and just slighty into Nroth London.Hammersmith Bridge (http://www-tech.mit.edu/Issue/V116/N21/bomb.21w.html)
When this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/26/newsid_2499000/2499619.stm) went off I had only been working for F & M aout two months and was on a call with another Engineer we both felt the shockwaves off the bomb as we went outside to get parts off the truck!
Also just going back to something we had talked about earlier, apprentetly the attack on the King David hotel left 91 people dead and the majority of those dead were civilians not Military!
Though I say again, you still did a lot of what we did in some of your conflicts, and I might add with much less vital national security at your stake, but yes I do admit you did it much less and its as such, simply because you don’t face what we do.
I think you should read over the above you will find that everyone was a target!
Hey, I'm just trying to confirm what I said......seeing as you know everything!? No I never claimed I know everything and certainly I am not as educated about your conflict as I am on mine, and on yours, I made a few statements claiming that as far as I know, the IRA had no stated goal of destroying great Britain and that is just one of the MAJOR differences to what we face, so up to now you have not contradicted what I just said, so I take it you cant.
Good, lets move on………… :D
Yes lets but before we do please read the my above posted list of IRA attacks
You make it sound like it was the landing at Normandy? was it that bad? what does Normandy have to do with anything? :roll: Anyways I am not going to play your game here, what I wrote above is very clear and yes indeed, what “we” faced in Gaza was indeed a all our urban combat in a full war zone. It’s a simple as that, now where it compares to is not in the realm of this discussion here.
Im not talking about Gaza, I'm talking about Rafah, maybe it's just the way you presented the fighting in that area to me, it sounded like the beach landings at Normandy.
No, you're telling me that everywhere the IDF is is a warzone? so by that I'm ignorant to everything the IDF does. Yes when the IDF goes in, it is a war zone simply by the fact that the palis make it as such when they use every inch of the land there, be it homes, green houses, zoos, to engage in a war, simply to protect their arms smuggling tunnels, where those tunnels we have every right to go in to stop.
Its not just about you being ignorant to what the IDF does but rather your simple ignorance to what a war zone is and what we face.
So what you're telling me is that Israel is a warzone?
NI was a warzone seeing as the Military have been there for years and were constantly patrolling,which in my mind makes it a warzone,
(Ok I edited my first message and I'll add this) and this affected us in Britain because of the IRAs past history there was a constant fear of attack so we were warned to constantly be vigilant of suspect packages or suspicious people and the such, so please don't downplay what we experienced in the UK
Anyways after a quick search I found two sites, one is a pali site (hardly a pro Israel site and you can see that after a quick glance from reading the rest there), and the other site is from the Jerusalem post.
1930s, British administration in Palestine uses house demolition as a means of quelling the indigenous uprising against British rule. 1936-1939 the British demolished more than 5,000 Palestinian homes.
For that link click Here (http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=3782&CategoryId=2)
This was an interresting read, thank you I also found this,
WOW....sorry got sidetracked hahaha ;) yes indeed I guess I should have expected you to continue on with your grasping for straws and going for any side issues simply to divert from the point that I proved to you :roll:
I was just supplying information from a link you gave me, so I assumed it was a credible link ;)
Listen, you cutting and pasting a whole long article simply further shows the lack of depth and knowledge on this conflict, a conflict that you decided to make tons of comments on….
Come on, without reading these articles that you don't seem to like, how are we to be educated on the past events?
By Rafael Medoff - April 22, 2002. From: Jerusalem Post
"Demolishing the homes of Arab civilians... Shooting handcuffed prisoners... Forcing local Arabs to test areas where mines may have been planted..."
These sound like the sort of accusations made by British and other European officials concerning Israel's recent actions in Jenin. In fact, they are descriptions from official British documents concerning the methods used by the British authorities to combat Palestinian Arab terrorism in Jenin and elsewhere in 1938.
It was off the link you provided so again I took the information as being credible ;)
Wow....big difference between 5,000 and 200,000 homes but I guess you guys just ran with it! :I never said your situation is like ours, get that very clear, however all I said was that we got that PRACTICE from you and well you did those actions in what I believe is not even the same situation as what we face.
Ok with that said, lets now do some examinations on what your saying here if I may……… ;)
First, a lot of the homes that we destroyed was in the midst of war (and that 200,000 figure I believe is exaggerated but that’s for another day and thread ;) ) and even that heavily biased site claims that some (well I say a lot) were destroyed in the war, meaning not simply we went to destroy them but rather in the normal course of a war where homes do get destroyed, unlike that initial British practice where the sole aim was to set out and destroy homes!!. Secondly most of those homes that were destroyed in the early years, were mostly empty homes and it was homes of people that fled on their own.
Lastly and more impotently as it pertains to you and your numbers, well you destroyed over 5000 in just three years there, much more then we have done in the past four years of intensive conflict that we have been in, now if you do that many in that short of a time, imagine you stayed there till now and put up with what we have to for over 50 plus years, well the number would also be A LOT higher then just that 5000, probably more like in our range or even higher.
Ok, I ran with this and worked it out, in 3yrs we demolished 5,000 homes. Divide that by 3=1,666.66 home a yr, then times it by lets say 65(yrs) that equals 108,333.33 homes, so even if we worked it out that way you guys are still in the lead but as you said the 200,000 mark must be off :cantbeli:
Wow....lets pass it off, so again Israel is right everyone else is WRONG! :cantbeli: No, just everyone is hypocritical!! oh and I guess they are all right when they do it but when Jews do it is wrong
So the whole World is wrong but Israel is never wrong!
200,000 :cantbeli: :cantbeli: Wow so you can prove we have destroyed 200,000 homes for this anti terror security fence?
Let me see a link to that!!!!
Maybe you missed the part where I advised that the homes that were knocked down for your fence were in there with the 200,000 homes that were knocked down, but seeing as you can dispute the 200,000 I don't believe we knocked down 5,000 ;)
I guess this shows you cant!! Simply because the fact that we haven’t destroyed many for that fence!!
Well supply the numbers and prove me wrong?
Present....when......I don't remember IRA members houses being demolished? Again with houses, yes with regards to the Brits, that was the past (and something we got it from ) though the Americans it is the present.
Who learnt this from the Israeli's?
5,000 against 200,000 :cantbeli: Again we got that practice from you, so great I see you accepted that fact, finally ;) …..as for numbers, yes you did it in 3 years, so I guess if you'd continued on staying there till now, well you do the math, but I can guarantee you it would be A LOT more.
Allot more than 200,000 also please advise on how you worked out that the British would have knocked down more?
As for home demolitions I merely pointed it out to show how absurd it is for you to harp on us when in fact we got that practice from YOU!!
So have you been supplying the Palestinians with any smallpox infested blankets?
killed innocent civilians, etc.. yes on those that you accuse us, you have done the same and again I believe with much less of a threat to your vital national security at you stake.
I'd be interested to see this information?
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Basically in simpler terms, yes you are allowed a voice, though at the same token, I am allowed to show you how that voice is patently ignorant and blind to the realities that you decided to put forth your voice on ;)
So the Military is always right in what it does and the Military does not have to answer to the people?
I guess I'm not so ignorant now because I lived in a warzone too ;) No trust me you just IMO made a big fool out of yourself to ones on this board that did serve and indeed know what a real combat war zone is but yet have to read some armchair civilian try to say that being vigilant in a city or having one mortar hit a place is like the war zones that SOME of us soldiers have experienced in the urban combat zones that we have been in.
I'm not trying to take anything away from those that have served their Countries, so please don't make out that that was my intention, but by what you've said above does that mean that any innocent chikd that has been blown up by a terrorist is not in a warzone?
P.S. Wow I am flattered that you took the time to place my name in your avatar location, though I would say no need to falsely flatter yourself as if you effect me that much where I feel the need to go after you, or take over your patio as you put it, hell I even said I wouldn’t mind going shooting with you, though now on second thought, I guess you are all armed and ready and I see even if I came over for that friendly shoot, after what happens to me, you’ll claim to the police that “hey he tried to take over my patio and well it was self defense yada yada… ;) actually on second thought, never mind, as long as we are both armed, I am not worried in the least about you getting off a first shot ;)
Shalom :D
I would say you're slightly paranoid which I'm not, seeing as you're "Training for the Zionist world takeover" :P