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josh21x
07-04-2009, 10:49 AM
Mumbai massacre revisited: By Irfan Husain (http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/irfan-husain-mumbai-massacre-revisited-479)

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ALL too often, natural disasters and human atrocities make only a fleeting impression. We watch fascinated and horrified as TV anchors give us their impressions while images of death and disaster roll across our screens.

But soon, one particular crisis is overtaken by another, and relentlessly, the news cycle moves on.

It is not until one sees and hears the survivors that the magnitude of a disaster really sinks in. This is what I experienced while watching Channel 4’s programme on its Dispatches series. Called Terror in Mumbai, the documentary retraces the steps of the terrorists as they first landed in Mumbai by boat, and then made their way across the city, spreading mayhem over a period of 60 hours.

We were shown clips from CCTV cameras that had captured the killing spree. Casually the killers shot everybody who moved. At the VT railway station, where 52 people died, they massacred a family, and a young boy who survived later recounted who had died: “My father. My mother. My aunt. My uncle. Their two sons. What had we done to them? So many dead. What had they done to the terrorists?” What indeed?

When I wrote a couple of columns after the atrocity last year, expressing sympathy for the victims and condemning the killers and those behind them in Pakistan, I got a flood of angry emails, demanding to know the proof that linked the terrorists to Pakistan. Our government was in similar denial. And although it has grudgingly accepted that the controllers and planners of the attack were based in Pakistan, and has even arrested some members of the Laskhar-i-Taiba that has morphed into the Jamaatud Dawa, very little progress has been made on punishing those responsible.

The most chilling part of the documentary was the constant voice contact between the terrorists and their handlers. Talking on cell phones, the controllers urged on their pawns in Punjabi and Urdu, interspersed with the odd English words and phrases. They certainly did not sound like graduates of a madressah. Rather, they were professionals doing a job, instructing the young terrorists to kill as many people as possible; urging them to move from one target to another; and repeating that they must not allow themselves to be captured.

Soon after his arrest, Ajmal Kasab was questioned by the police, and admitted that he had been sent by the Lashkar-i-Taiba. Asked why and how he had joined the group, he said his father had ‘sold’ him to the Lashkar. He said his father had explained that the money would lift the family out of poverty, and pay for his sisters’ weddings. How many more young men are being sold to terror outfits across Pakistan?

One Turkish couple, spared because of their faith, recount how the bodies of massacred guests at the Trident Oberoi piled up around them, and how slippery it was to walk over the pools of blood. A neighbour of the rabbi and his wife who were murdered at the Jewish Centre describe how one by one, the couple said “shoot me” to the killers, and were duly shot. After the terrorists had left, the two-year old son of the murdered couple is filmed in a heart-breaking sequence, walking around in the room, clearly confused.

After Kasab had been captured, the controllers realised what would happen if he spilled the beans. They ask two of the killers to take a hostage and get her to call the authorities with a demand to free Kasab in exchange for her life. After an hour or so, when there is no response from the government, they are told to finish off the hostage.

All through the atrocity, the handlers — obviously watching the drama on TV — keep urging their foot soldiers on, encouraging them by descriptions of what they are seeing on TV. “The whole world is watching your deeds…. Remember this is a fight between the believers and the non-believers…. If you speak to the authorities, tell them this is only the trailer and the real film is yet to come.…”

And when the terrorists are clearly exhausted, the controllers urge them on: “Throw some grenades, my brother, there’s no harm in throwing a few grenades. How hard can it be to throw a grenade? Just pull the pin and throw it. For your mission to end successfully, you must be killed. God is waiting for you in heaven.” After each such exhortation, the young terrorist at the receiving end says, “Inshallah”. At the start of the programme, the handler asks the landing party if they have eliminated the captain of the hijacked boat, and if so, how? “Zibah kar diya,” is the chilling response. (Literally: “We have slit his throat”; but there is a ritualistic connotation to ‘zibah’ that does not translate well into English.)

This repeated use of Islamic phrases and responses underlines the extent to which the faith has been cynically used to spread violence. While Muslims argue that Islam does not condone this kind of terrorism against unarmed, innocent civilians, most do not condemn it in clear, unequivocal terms. After agreeing that such acts are un-Islamic, there is all too often a lingering ‘Yes, but…’ hanging in the air.

It is this ambiguity that has given terror groups in Pakistan and elsewhere the space and legitimacy they need to operate. Now that Pakistanis have seen the true face of terrorism in Swat, and have begun to support the government in its drive to rid us of this cancer, the lesson needs to be reinforced. One way would be to dub the Channel 4 documentary and show it extensively on various TV channels in Pakistan. We need to hear ordinary people who survived or lost close relatives, and see their pain.

We need to see the horrors inflicted in the name of Islam. Above all, we need to share the agony of our neighbours







I will be postin BBC Dispatces Videos on Mumbai


Moderators,

I need help on attacin youtube videos


Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edsRBijAx_U




Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXq8HpH_0Kw

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujjuuqQF3Zk
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exWd_dBLU1s

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3bBk8Hc2UA

josh21x
07-04-2009, 11:03 AM
Unlike the autour says, I certainly dont want any sympathies from Pakistan, they are beyond redemption!

Lov3ll
07-04-2009, 11:05 AM
Repost and it's channel 4 not the BBC.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160261

josh21x
07-04-2009, 11:11 AM
Repost and it's channel 4 not the BBC.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160261


Tanks Love3ll, but tose videos are down now!! So you can watc it in my tread!

hulaku
07-04-2009, 11:14 AM
Tanks Love3ll, but tose videos are down now!! So you can watc it in my tread!


Thanks for putting them up again

Mastermind
07-04-2009, 02:39 PM
Any questions now about the "Bad" Muslims and their plans for the "unbelievers"?

Personally, I have a great deal of difficulty telling them apart from the "Good" types...I guess the "Bad" ones are the ones pulling the trigger of the AK-47 pressed against your neck....

hulaku
07-04-2009, 02:45 PM
Any questions now about the "Bad" Muslims and their plans for the "unbelievers"?

Personally, I have a great deal of difficulty telling them apart from the "Good" types...I guess the "Bad" ones are the ones pulling the trigger of the AK-47 pressed against your neck....

"This repeated use of Islamic phrases and responses underlines the extent to which the faith has been cynically used to spread violence. While Muslims argue that Islam does not condone this kind of terrorism against unarmed, innocent civilians, most do not condemn it in clear, unequivocal terms. After agreeing that such acts are un-Islamic, there is all too often a lingering ‘Yes, but…’ hanging in the air. "

Couldn't put it up in a better way myself!

josh21x
07-04-2009, 03:12 PM
"This repeated use of Islamic phrases and responses underlines the extent to which the faith has been cynically used to spread violence. While Muslims argue that Islam does not condone this kind of terrorism against unarmed, innocent civilians, most do not condemn it in clear, unequivocal terms. After agreeing that such acts are un-Islamic, there is all too often a lingering ‘Yes, but…’ hanging in the air. "

Couldn't put it up in a better way myself!


GGK should read it again and again!!!! The author is a muslim after all not some kuffar like me!!

josh21x
07-04-2009, 03:16 PM
Any questions now about the "Bad" Muslims and their plans for the "unbelievers"?

Personally, I have a great deal of difficulty telling them apart from the "Good" types...I guess the "Bad" ones are the ones pulling the trigger of the AK-47 pressed against your neck....

My blood boiled when he, the terrorist-handler made the poor Israeli woman talk to te Israeli embasy and Indian government, promisin her good health and she will freed!!! The sarcasm, evil and two-timin of that man shows what we are really up against!

hulaku
07-04-2009, 03:20 PM
The saddest part is actually when the Turkish lady describes the the poor lady from Singapore who these piglets shot!!!!

Mastermind
07-04-2009, 03:23 PM
My blood boiled when he, the terrorist-handler made the poor Israeli woman talk to te Israeli embasy and Indian government, promisin her good health and she will freed!!! The sarcasm, evil and two-timin of that man shows what we are really up against!
X2...and also, when you consider all the evidence given freely by the militant islamic world, why the hell do we need any additional proof?

What the hell does it take to wake people up?:|

hulaku
07-04-2009, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE=Mastermind;4243683]

What the hell does it take to wake people up?:|[/QUOTE

It would be when these fundamentalist piglets take over the nukes of The Land of the Pure (Pakistan) and bomb either the US, India or Israel.

josh21x
07-04-2009, 03:28 PM
The saddest part is actually when the Turkish lady describes the the poor lady from Singapore who these piglets shot!!!!

They wont last long, all of those guys are ISI sponsered, all of them are Pakistani people supported, all of them will loose and we will WIn! and hopefully by then Indians will loose their stupid naivity and do wt is needful

In all honesty the whole Muslim Ummah thing is wet dream, the other world, the nonmuslim one is so powerful that it is not even funny! They can basically wish away that part of the world, and 1 billion people ...But we are not them, and we are not some genocidal maniacs, but that doest mean we wont put them in their place! Teach them nicely or the hard way, that democracy and seucularism is the way!

Mastermind
07-04-2009, 03:37 PM
They wont last long, all of those guys are ISI sponsered, all of them are Pakistani people supported, all of them will loose and we will WIn! and hopefully by then Indians will loose their stupid naivity and do wt is needful

In all honesty the whole Muslim Ummah thing is wet dream, the other world, the nonmuslim one is so powerful that it is not even funny! Te can basically wis away tat part of te world, and 1 billion people ...But we are not them, and we are not some genocidal maniacs, but that doest mean we wont put them in their place! Teach them nicely or the hard way, that democracy and seucularism is the way!

That covers a lot of turf...lets hope you are right, though.

josh21x
07-04-2009, 03:51 PM
That covers a lot of turf...lets hope you are right, though.

Put all the non-muslim countries on one side especially the one;s under attack from Islamic extremism and Islamic countries on the other side, Wat do you see? Militarity speakin?

What other option do we have other than to make them understand democracy and secularism

Mastermind
07-04-2009, 03:55 PM
1) Democracy and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.
2) Secularism and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.

hulaku
07-04-2009, 03:58 PM
1) Democracy and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.
2) Secularism and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.


Its like a kid not wanting to take his medicine.

We can still force it down its throat knowing that its good for him.

josh21x
07-04-2009, 04:06 PM
1) Democracy and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.
2) Secularism and Islam simply do not mix...ain't gonna happen.

I know you are correct, but the alternative we have is sometin even I dont want to take!!

CMNot
07-04-2009, 06:15 PM
Any questions now about the "Bad" Muslims and their plans for the "unbelievers"?

Oooh, is this like the bad catholics and good catholics?