PDA

View Full Version : UKs Unemployable School Leavers



SoSo
07-05-2009, 02:12 AM
Employers slam 'unemployable' school leavers

16 Aug 2005 | Filed under: SME Issues. Training & Development.</SPAN>

http://2fwww.management-issues.com/siteimages/talkback_top.gif (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/display_talkback.asp?referring_section=research&id=2458)http://2fwww.management-issues.com/siteimages/backicon.gif (javascript: history.go(-1)) Back (javascript: history.go(-1)) http://2fwww.management-issues.com/siteimages/printicon.gif (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/#) Print (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/#) http://2fwww.management-issues.com/siteimages/emailicon.gif (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/#) Email (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/#) http://2fwww.management-issues.com/siteimages/iconclip.gif (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/add_to_clippings.asp?riid=2458&ritid=1&calling_url=http%3A%2F%2F2fwww%2Emanagement%2Dissues%2Ecom%2F2006%2F8%2F24%2Fresearch%2Femployers%2Dslam%2Dunemployable%2Dschool%2Dleavers%2Easp%3Fsection%3Dresearch%26id%3D2458%26is%5Fauthenticated%3D0%26reference%3D%26specifier%3D) Clip (http://2fwww.management-issues.com/add_to_clippings.asp?riid=2458&ritid=1&calling_url=http%3A%2F%2F2fwww%2Emanagement%2Dissues%2Ecom%2F2006%2F8%2F24%2Fresearch%2Femployers%2Dslam%2Dunemployable%2Dschool%2Dleavers%2Easp%3Fsection%3Dresearch%26id%3D2458%26is%5Fauthenticated%3D0%26reference%3D%26specifier%3D)
Britain's education system is producing a generation of "unemployable" school leavers who lack even the most basic skills to survive in the workplace, a new survey has found.


More that half the 4,000 of employers who took part in the survey by the Forum for Private Business (FPB) assessed the standard of literacy, numeracy and oral skills of school leavers they recruited as 'poor' or 'very poor.'
"Our survey amounts to a condemnation of Britain's education system, which is, self-evidently, turning out school leavers who are socially inept and unprepared for the world of work," said Len Collinson, National Chairman of the FPB.
The study showed that, as far as school leavers' life skills are concerned, almost half of employers felt their young recruits' timekeeping was poor, and more than a quarter thought the general courtesy of school leavers towards colleagues and customers was equally dismal.
Three-quarters of employers rated school leavers' ability to properly address a letter as either 'poor or very poor', and almost two-thirds were equally damning of ex-pupils' ability to take a simple telephone message.
"School leavers all know their rights, but do not consider their responsibilities," said Ann Pinnington, managing director of a plastics manufacturer based in Wrexham.
"They lack presentation skills and do not take their appearance into consideration. They need to learn a few simple things such as manners, courtesy, respect for others, a willingness to start at the bottom, and, most important of all, how to spell."

They are ignorant, illiterate, innumerate, bad mannered and want everything handed to them on a plate
As another respondent pointed out, "qualifications are so invalidated that many employers now have the additional task of making their own assessment of any applicant, irrespective of their apparent qualifications."
Other employers said they were horrified by the decline in educational standards.
"As an ex-teacher, I am horrified at the abysmal standards of school leavers that Britain is churning out," said Kate Owen, managing director of Opal Crafts Ltd, a London wholesale company.
"Bog standard schools are churning out pupils and leavers with low confidence, poor social skills and very poor educational standards. Our company does not consider taking them on."
"They are ignorant, illiterate, innumerate, bad mannered, want everything handed to them on a plate, and fall apart emotionally if they don't get what they want," complained another.
"The education system and the children who are going through it could benefit enormously from turning the clock back 40 years."
The FPB's Len Collinson said that employers wanted to see teachers and parents focus more on the basic 3Rs and essential 'life skills'.
"There should be a greater emphasis placed on teaching 'social skills', such as encouraging pupils to communicate clearly, instilling a modicum of respect for others, and promoting in them enthusiasm for a useful working life.
"Positive action like this could well be supported by parents and employers, who both have an interest in school leavers being better prepared for the world of work. We realise employers have to be engaged by education institutions."
In the meantime, however, the attitude of many employers was summed up by London restaurateur, Jeremy Rose.
"British school leavers are not qualified for anything except getting drunk and not turning up for work."

Scriptable
07-05-2009, 02:20 AM
"British school leavers are not qualified for anything except getting drunk and not turning up for work."
Hmmm, I guess I had better remove that qualification from my CV.

tea drinker
07-05-2009, 06:24 AM
To me it looks like a damning inditement of the social system we have built in the west. We celebrate the inability to take responsibility for own actions and abhor justice, preferring instead a "morality free" legal system.
Kids these days grew up in a time of plenty, unfortunately for them, reality after the "nothing is enough for my Johnny and Jane" type parents will be awfully depressing.

Maybe kids should be working one day a week? Or like I did, every day, at least on the farm. That way they could get used to wages for work.

The fact that trades are not taught in schools or people don't go in a certain direction leaves them incapable of early specialization. Instead kids are educated generically, suitable for generic service industry.

Pharma gonna make a mint on these schmucks!

Scriptable
07-05-2009, 06:38 AM
Maybe kids should be working one day a week? Or like I did, every day, at least on the farm. That way they could get used to wages for work.
How about compulsory military service?

Kilgor
07-05-2009, 06:39 AM
all the better for older workers id say..

Proudgrandson
07-05-2009, 06:42 AM
How about compulsory military service?

Where would we get the money...........though admittedly it probably wouldn't do them any harm.

Gurkhas might well have to go though if the ranks of the army were to be filled by draftees, those already in of course have British citizenship,immediated transfer to the police for them:), and some very good gentlemen from many commonwealth nations currently serving might find theselves sent home.

JCR
07-05-2009, 06:46 AM
I just read UKs Unemployable School Laywers
rofl

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-05-2009, 10:39 AM
As there is little or no work about for school leavers I would imagine this is not going to be a big problem for a while. By and large most of the school leavers I have taken on in the last couple of years have been smart enough to do pretty much everything they have been asked to do and there seems little if any difference in capability between those that left either at 16 or 18.

LordKitchener
07-05-2009, 11:58 AM
It's all part of society's failure to produce responsible and productive citizens. The liberals will not allow any form of discipline in school, piss-poor parenting is allowed to proliferate along with the destructive urban youth cultures. Kids know they can live off the state anyway and take everything they have for granted.

It is up to a responsible government to mould these kids into valuable assets - this will not happen when you have an ultra-liberal system for these kids who need structure and guidance.

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-05-2009, 12:26 PM
It's all part of society's failure to produce responsible and productive citizens. The liberals will not allow any form of discipline in school, piss-poor parenting is allowed to proliferate along with the destructive urban youth cultures. Kids know they can live off the state anyway and take everything they have for granted.

It is up to a responsible government to mould these kids into valuable assets - this will not happen when you have an ultra-liberal system for these kids who need structure and guidance.I am the product of the not so liberal old style thrash the f*ckin life out of them school system and really don't see a huge difference between the school leavers of 1983 and the present.

capixaba
07-05-2009, 02:03 PM
It's all part of society's failure to produce responsible and productive citizens. The liberals will not allow any form of discipline in school, piss-poor parenting is allowed to proliferate along with the destructive urban youth cultures. Kids know they can live off the state anyway and take everything they have for granted.

It is up to a responsible government to mould these kids into valuable assets - this will not happen when you have an ultra-liberal system for these kids who need structure and guidance.


There was aways the retard brigade who's only future was to breed the next lot, but I think it's grown. To me the general level education in the UK has got a lot worse, though it seems to vary greatly from area to area. My kids went to pretty decent schools - especially the primary school which was a good old fashioned village/community school, but I still find thier general knowledge of things quite limited.

SoSo
07-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Unfortunately, we have a large class of unemployable school leavers (dropouts, to Americans) over here too. Lacking even basic job skills, unable to write and in some cases even speak Standard American English, many of these little thugs are so steeped in gang culture that they still try to swagger and intimidate their way through life, demanding everything they believe they're entitled to. Their mothers never disciplined them, and gave in to them out of fear; they disrupted class, and frightened even their teachers; no one ever draws the line, until they are arrested and locked up. And their criminal record makes employers even more reluctant to offer them a job.
What is the solution? Someone suggested conscription, but do those of you in military service really want these sneaky little criminal ganstas, with little sense of loyalty (except to their homies) serving alongside you?
Maybe we could put the untrainables and incorrigibles in a special unit, like the East Germans did with their untrustworthy conscripts, don't let them carry weapons, but use them to perform simple tasks, like carrying heavy objects, loading and unloading vehicles, and as laborers in construction.

tea drinker
07-05-2009, 06:13 PM
Sven Hassel's penal battalions FTW.

ARGAR FORKBEARD
07-06-2009, 03:23 AM
I left school with poor pass marks,
but i've worked everyday since i was seventeen (at the bottom slowly making my wayto the top!!! lol )
they are just lazy dole scroungers who expect things handed to them! but dont blame everything on the schools


I Hate Chavs!!!!!!

LRPV
07-06-2009, 03:25 AM
"They are ignorant, illiterate, innumerate, bad mannered, want everything handed to them on a plate, and fall apart emotionally if they don't get what they want,"

Not just in the UK... ;)

a_very_ex_STAB
07-06-2009, 04:26 AM
I really really hate chavs
They're so ****ing useless you couldn't even make glue out of them

LRPV
07-06-2009, 07:20 AM
They're so ****ing useless you couldn't even make glue out of them

Don't be so negative, you should at least try....

oldsoak
07-06-2009, 07:45 AM
I really really hate chavs
They're so ****ing useless you couldn't even make glue out of them

They dont make good leather either. Too many markings and needle scars.