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MaverickCowboy
07-07-2009, 04:34 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2009/07/06/cap-and-trade%E2%80%99s-a-lot-of-hot-air/?cxntfid=blogs_bob_barr_blog


Cap-and-trade’s a lot of hot air

8:16 am July 6, 2009, by Bob Barr
Americans inclined to support President Obama’s health care overhaul might want to first look at the so-called “cap-and-trade” legislation passed by the House of Representatives with the president’s support.
Its 1,200 pages must rank among the most complex and convoluted pieces of legislation ever devised, making old, Soviet-style government edicts appear streamlined by comparison.
Former President Jimmy Carter, who oversaw the last formal effort Washington undertook to mandate comprehensive energy usage, was a novice compared to the heavy-handed, global-oriented approach by Obama and his Democratic colleagues in the House. Where Carter, a generation ago, was content to turn down the thermostat and lecture the country while wearing a cardigan sweater in front of a warmly glowing fireplace, Obama uses 21st-century communications tools and offers to change not just America’s energy system, but the entire world’s — with taxpayer dollars by the trillions.
The regulatory behemoth that would be unleashed by the cap-and-trade legislation, if it were to become law, starts with a group of “experts” deciding how much carbon dioxide and other “greenhouse gases” the earth’s atmosphere can withstand. These then become the “targets” that bad-guy emitters (such as manufacturing plants) would have to meet by “buying” annual “emission permits” from Uncle Sam or on the secondary market. They could trade — that is, buy and sell — their permits to meet their target or cap; hence the term, “cap-and-trade.” The number of permits drops annually until a “safe” level of emissions is reached.
Some 85 percent of the initial offering of permits would be given to certain favored industries, states and Indian tribes. These entities, of course, could then trade them to other “polluters.” All this would be monitored and enforced by government bureaucrats.
As if this scenario would not be enough to make your eyes roll and your hands rush to grab your wallet and hold it near, there is yet another bureaucratic overlay nestled in the legislation . The bill establishes a mechanism for “polluters” to obtain two billion “offsets” that would allow them to emit more greenhouse gasses than their permits would otherwise allow. These “offsets” consist of paying for “green projects” in the U.S. or — get this — somewhere else on the globe.
Thus, a manufacturing plant in, say, Gary, Ind., that is exceeding its “permitted” expulsion of CO2, could continue to commit this sin against humanity by paying for a Brazilian farmer to plant some trees in the rain forest. A more patriotic company might achieve the same result by paying an Iowa former to implement more “Earth-friendly” farming practices. Of course, to guard against some nefarious polluter trying to cheat Uncle Sam and the world by claiming bogus “offsets,” there must be a monitoring mechanism. Enter the “Offsets Integrity Advisory Board” — yet another group of scientific “experts” that would be tasked with compiling a list of qualifying offsets around the globe.
Utility companies would be required to purchase increasing percentages of their electricity from “renewable sources,” but they could meet these mandates, at least in part, by forcing their customers to reduce their energy usage. Those customers — that is, every individual, family and business in the country — also would be forced to change building codes in order to use less energy, change lighting systems employed in homes and outdoor areas, and buy more expensive “energy-efficient” appliances.
This discussion barely scratches the surface of the Byzantine system of mandates and favors that would be doled out by the government if this legislation reaches Obama’s desk. The cost is impossible to calculate, except to know it will be in the trillions of dollars. For a plan based on bad science and proposing to implement a model that’s already failed in Europe, that’s a price no responsible American ought to accept. But, how can you put a pricetag on saving the world and all of mankind?

MaverickCowboy
07-07-2009, 04:40 PM
"This bill has a few hidden surprises also, like new entitlement programs. Page 1193 of the bill creates a program where people who are earning up to 150% of the poverty level will get direct payments from the government to offset extra costs brought on by cap-and-trade. Page 1209 increases earned income credit payments.


No one mentions the fact that with the passing of this bill, government inspectors will need to inspect your home prior to you being ALLOWED to sell it, to insure it meets code. So let’s say you bought an older home you have 20 years left on your mortgage when you loose your job and can no longer afford to make the payments. As a responsible American you decide to sell your home and to move into something more “economically friendly” for you and your family….. But wait your home doesn’t meet code and needs $20,000 worth of upgrades before you are ALLOWED to sell your home. However, due to your financial misfortune you can’t afford the upgrades. You are now faced with bankruptcy and possibly foreclosure, even though you are trying to so the responsible thing and sell your home, if this legislation passes."

Comments on that page. lol

RxOnco
07-07-2009, 04:47 PM
People just don't realize that by electing Barry along with his a$$hat congressional friends, our country is in for a world of hurt.

Thanks Democrats.

On a side note...it's pieces of F*** You legislation like this that only furthers the causes of secessionists like myself. Old Barry might just be a good thing when it comes to showing my fellow Texans that the Federal Government is only interested in two things: our money and their own retention of power.

Chulo
07-07-2009, 04:55 PM
Eh, if anyone cared to read fully the "pork free" Stimulus bill they would have found the same type of shenanigans with ALOT of government oversight powers added and pork. Apparently any bill that comes out now a days is too important and must be signed without due time given for research

MaverickCowboy
07-07-2009, 04:56 PM
Eh, if anyone cared to read fully the "pork free" Stimulus bill they would have found the same type of shenanigans with ALOT of government oversight powers added and pork. Apparently any bill that comes out now a days is too important and must be signed without due time given for research

no body reads. and no body cares they just root for their political party even if they are getting fvcked in the ass.

Zoomie
07-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Eh, if anyone cared to read fully the "pork free" Stimulus bill they would have found the same type of shenanigans with ALOT of government oversight powers added and pork. Apparently any bill that comes out now a days is too important and must be signed without due time given for research
Well, if you look at the Cap and Trade bill, there's a lot of blank checks literally being written into the bill, where it's just a placeholder for whatever they decide for a later date.

FullMetalJackass
07-07-2009, 05:14 PM
I don't think it will make it through the senate. But then again those ****heads probably will ram it through so the candy man will sign it.

MaverickCowboy
07-07-2009, 05:34 PM
I don't think it will make it through the senate. But then again those ****heads probably will ram it through so the candy man will sign it.

then what do we do when all the companies, factories and jobs go to china?

PhillyMobster
07-07-2009, 05:44 PM
People just don't realize that by electing Barry along with his a$$hat congressional friends, our country is in for a world of hurt.

Thanks Democrats.

On a side note...it's pieces of F*** You legislation like this that only furthers the causes of secessionists like myself. Old Barry might just be a good thing when it comes to showing my fellow Texans that the Federal Government is only interested in two things: our money and their own retention of power.

I wouldn't call this the result of merely Democratic politicians. If it were reversed, I'm confident the Republicans would be trying to pass some other vastly expensive bill, also for the 'public good'. I for one have no faith in parties anymore, and little respect for anyone who holds a major political position. I wish both sides would spend their time trying to come up with a half-way decent plan to fix our tanking economy rather than passing thousand page manuscripts on global warming which won't fix the problems anyway.

FullMetalJackass
07-07-2009, 08:34 PM
then what do we do when all the companies, factories and jobs go to china?


You haven't been paying attention. They are going there anyway.

MaverickCowboy
07-07-2009, 09:02 PM
You haven't been paying attention. They are going there anyway.

so that means we should speed up the process and remove any incentive to keep jobs here?