Can we name World Uygur Youth Congress a terrorist group?

[acosta]

If not, why we held them up in guantanamo bay for so many years? and why they are not allowed to stay in US? are they behind this cruel riots in xinjiang right after they got out military prison?



Profiles of 11 identified terrorists linked to al qaeda:

** Hasan Mahsum (also known as Ashan Sumut or Hasang Zunduluohe), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Alaf Township in Shule (Kunixar) County, Kashi Prefecture of Xinjiang, he now heads the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement.

Mahsum gathered together a band of Xinjiang religious extremists to form the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, of which he served as chairman, after he fled abroad in 1997. His gang was responsible for a murder in Moyu County of Hotan on December 14, 1999, and robberies and murders cases on February 4 the same year in Urumqi. In total, six innocent people were killed.

** Muhanmetemin Hazret, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1950. A native of Moyu County in Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang. He established the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization in 1996. He is behind a series of robberies and murders in Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan and Kirghizstan.

** Dolqun Isa, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born on September 2, 1967. A native of Aksu, Xinjiang, he is one of the key members of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization and has been head of the World Uygur Youths Congress for many years. Since he fled abroad, he has organized and participated in all sorts of terrorist activities launched by the separatist group.

** Abudujelili Kalakash, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, and born in 1960, is a native of Moyu County in Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang, China. He heads the East Turkistan Information Centre terrorist organization and is a key member of the World Uygur Youths Congress. In April 1999, Kalakash and other die-hard terrorists decided to carry out terrorist activities in Africa, and planned a series of bomb attacks against Chinese embassies there.

** Abudukadir Yapuquan (original name Yabudukader Emit), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1958. He is native of Uapqan Township, Shufu County, Kashi Prefecture. He is responsible for organizing and carrying out a series of robberies and murders such as the December 14 case in Moyu County of Hotan Prefecture in 1999 and the February 4 case in Urumqi, which resulted in deaths and injuries of innocent people.

** Abudumijit Muhamma-tkelim (also known as Zibibulla), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1967. A native of Shufu County of Kashi, he is one of the chiefs of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement mainly responsible for personnel training and exterior liaison duties.

** Abudula Kariaji (formerly named Abudulla Dawut), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in December 1969. A native of Shache County of Kashi, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement. Kariaji fled to Afghanistan in 1995.

** Abulimit Turxun, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Urumqi, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization. He fled abroad in 1997. In early May 1998, he sent terrorists into China who made more than 40 chemical combustible devices and used them in 15 consecutive attacks on big stores and wholesale markets in Urumqi, on May 23. In June 1998, he killed four Uygurs and dismembered their bodies, to prevent possible information leaks by two members who intended to quit the terrorist group.

** Hudaberdi Haxerbik, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in August 1970. A native of the Hui Autonomous Township of Yuqunweng in Yining County, Xinjiang, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization. On April 6, 1998, Hudaberdi Haxerbik smuggled large quantities of arms and ammunition into China.

** Yasen Muhammat, alias Yasen Kari, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. He is a native of Boskem Town, Zepu County of Xinjiang. On August 23, 1999, Muhammat and four other terrorists shot dead police officer Hudaberd and his son Aiez in Boskem Township of Zepu County. On October 24, 1999, he and other accomplices shot dead security assistant Altawula, injured police officer Wang Yazhou and security assistant Muhmed Yizemu, and killed Mehmut Yidelis, a suspected thief who was detained at the station.

** Atahan Abuduhani, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Luoke Town, Yecheng County of Xinjiang, he fled abroad in December 1984, and kept close contact with "Eastern Turkistan" organizations outside China. In August 1991, Atahan Abuduhani smuggled 7 handguns and 180 bullets into China, with which his accomplices robbed a security van belonging to the Shayar County branch of the Agricultural Bank of China in Xinjiang on November 13 that year.

Terror list with links to al-Qaeda unveiled
( 2003-12-16 01:31) (China Daily)

China Monday released the names of four "Eastern Turkistan" organizations linked to al-Qaeda and 11 ethnic Uygurs wanted on terrorist charges.

This is the first time the country has issued a list of terrorist organizations and terrorists.

"The list was determined after careful and discreet identification and examination in accordance with relevant anti-terrorism resolutions by the United Nations, the Criminal Law, the State Security Law and other laws and regulations," said Zhao Yongchen, deputy director of the Anti-terrorism Department under the Ministry of Public Security.

Calling for tighter international co-operation in the fight against terrorism, Zhao said: "I strongly call on governments of all foreign countries, the law-enforcement organs in particular, to outlaw the four terrorist organizations that China has announced to the public, prohibit their activities, stop supporting, financing or providing safe havens to the organizations, and freeze their assets."

The organizations are the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization, the World Uygur Youth Congress and the East Turkistan Information Centre.

He also called on overseas governments to carry out criminal investigations of the 11 terrorists, apprehend them and hand them over to China.

Since the September 11 incident, China has amended various counter-terrorism laws, developed and improved counter-terrorism co-ordination mechanisms, and adopted a series of measures to prevent acts of terror.

The measures include strengthening control of hazardous substances like explosives, tightening border controls, intensifying security measures at airports, ports and major infrastructures.

"We wish to carry out more co-operations in the future with neighbouring countries and countries where the Eastern Turkistan terrorist organizations go rampant," said Zhao.

He said the government would fight "East Turkistan" terrorism while effectively safeguarding the fundamental interests of people in Xinjiang and other parts of China.

Zhao stressed the government would target only core members of the terrorist groups who organized, led and participated in terrorist activities and those involved in serious violence.

The four terrorist organizations in the list were all confirmed to have plotted, organized and executed bombings, assassinations, arsons, poison attacks and other violent terrorist activities in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, the rest of China and neighbouring countries since the 1990s.

The Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, for instance, was responsible for killings in December 1999 in Moyu County of Hotan Prefecture of Xinjiang.

It is also accused of committing a robbery and murder case in Urumqi on February 4 the same year, and other acts of terror. In total, the group has killed six innocent people and caused heavy property losses.

Having been identified by the UN as a terrorist organization, it was funded mainly by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and received training, support and personnel from both the al-Qaeda and the Taliban regime of Afghanistan.

The Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization also received gift money from al-Qaeda and sent its new recruits, all youths from Xinjiang, to training camps in Afghanistan under Taliban support.

The organization was responsible for the murder of Chinese diplomat Wang Jianping in Kirghizstan in 2002.

[acosta]

And now anger broke out amony chinese public, how the government will deal with it?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46023000/jpg/_46023913_uighur.jpg


Chinese media bullish over riots

Initial coverage of the riots by Chinese media focused on factual reporting of events. According to the Chinese news agency Xinhua's report on 5 July, the protests started at about 2000 (1200 GMT) on the day and, by 2330, many innocent civilians and one armed policeman had been killed.

At 2050 on 5 July, the state-run local Xinjiang TV interrupted its regular programming to air a nine-minute televised speech by Xinjiang Region Chairman Nur Bekri.

He said "the serious violent criminal incidents" that occurred in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, were "premeditated and organised ... and directed from outside". He stressed that the "solidarity" amongst all ethnic groups in the region was "as solid as a rock". He added that all groups would all spurn "the incitement and attacks of the three forces" - meaning terrorism, separatism and extremism.

This set the tone for subsequent reporting on the riots as other officials appeared on state TV to echo the official line.

The mayor of Urumqi, Jierla Yishamudin, described police action as "a battle with the three forces". He said on Xinjiang TV: "It is neither an ethnic issue nor a religious issue, but a battle of life and death to defend the unification of our motherland and to maintain the consolidation of all ethnic groups, a political battle that's fierce and of blood and fire."

Xinjiang Satellite TV quoted Wang Lequan, the secretary of the Xinjiang regional Communist Party committee as saying that the "three forces" had colluded with each other "to incite separatism, violence, and terrorism in the region". Mr Wang accused the leader of the separatist World Uyghur Congress, Rabiya Kadeer, of masterminding the violence.

'Remotely controlled'


The use of dramatic imagery on state media helped depict a situation in which apparently violent rioters were perceived to have picked on innocent victims.
I was surrounded by several rioters ... they kept bashing me... They are really despicable - our lives had been so good, why would they have done such things?
Taxi-driver, interviewed by Chinese TV


During its regular scheduled newscast on 6 July, CCTV-4, the international channel of China Central Television, carried an announcer-read report over video showing images of women being kicked on the ground. Another image showed a man covered in blood trying to get up.

The CCTV-4 report said Uighurs were to blame for the riots. "This was an incident remotely controlled, directed and incited from abroad, and executed inside the country," the commentator said over the images.

A selection of eyewitness interviews was used to add colour to some of the reports. A CCTV correspondent on location at the Urumqi Friendship Hospital said: "So many people had been rushed to hospital that some had to be treated in corridors."

The report showed a taxi driver saying: "I was surrounded by several rioters ... they kept bashing me... They are really despicable. Our lives had been so good, why would they have done such things?"

The reporter said a six-year-old girl was the youngest victim of the riots. "She was beaten when she was out shopping with her grandmother," the reporter said. An unnamed Urumqi resident said: "The rioters beat everyone they saw. They beat people and smashed cars. The girl was hit in the head by a brick. My mother fainted when she saw her."

[Ordie]

It looks like the media is sending mixed messages.

[acosta]

right. guess now public thoughts dip into political "media", it may look like "mixed"



It looks like the media is sending mixed messages.

[acosta]

xinjiang, roits turns it into hell...

http://laiba.tianya.cn/laiba/images/7300922/12469824211290469337/A/1/m.jpg

[I can't think of a name]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uN32RSb92w

Is this the Harmonious China that Hu Jintao talks about? I think those are Han Chinese murdering Uighurs.

[TheMiddlePath]

right. guess now public thoughts dip into political "media", it may look like "mixed"


It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

Sick to the core.

[Ordie]

It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

Sick to the core.

Good points.

I think the World leaders are giving China much deference and measured responses.

I'm surprised the Islamic nations are quiet. How's the mood in Malaysia over this crisis? I recall a generation ago similar clashese between the Malays Muslims and Chinese communities.

Perhaps some lessons learned from the Malaysian experience can be applied in China.

[Fage]

If not, why we held them up in guantanamo bay for so many years? and why they are not allowed to stay in US? are they behind this cruel riots in xinjiang right after they got out military prison?




China identifies Eastern Turkistan terrorists


China's Ministry of Public Security Monday issued a list of the first batch of identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist organizations and 11 members of the groups.

The identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist organizations are: the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization (ETLO), the World Uygur Youth Congress (WUYC) and the Eastern Turkistan Information Center(ETIC).

The 11 identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorists are: Hasan Mahsum, Muhanmetemin Hazret, Dolqun Isa, Abudujelili Kalakash, Abudukadir Yapuquan, Abudumijit Muhammatkelim, Abudula Kariaji, Abulimit Turxun, Huadaberdi Haxerbik, Yasen Muhammat, and Atahan Abuduhani.
This is the first time China issued a list of terrorist organizations and terrorists.

Source:http://www.chinamission.be/eng/zt/1/t142421.htm (http://www.chinamission.be/eng/zt/1/t142421.htm)

China identifies alleged "Eastern Turkistan" terrorists
2009/06/04

BEIJING, Oct. 21 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Public Security on Tuesday published the identities of eight alleged terrorists connected to the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which has been identified by the United Nations as a terrorist organization.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7761/u608p1t1d16500830f21dt2.jpg
Following are their names and the charges against them:

I. Memetiming Memeti, born in Oct. 10, 1971, and formerly named Memetiming Aximu. A Chinese citizen, he is also known as Abuduhake, Memetiming Qekeman, Muhelisi, Saifuding.
With primary school education, Memetiming Memeti is head of the ETIM. His Identity number is 653225197110100533.
Charges against him include:
1. Participating in and leading the terrorist organization
In March 1998, Memetiming Memeti illegally exited China and joined the ETIM terrorist organization in a south Asian country. He then became a military trainer in the organization's training camp.
In November 2003, he became head of the ETIM after its former head Hasan Mahsum was shot dead. He raised funds, recruited terrorists and continued to develop the terrorist organization. He organized physical and military training for dozens of terrorists, and led the ETIM members to continue their violent terrorist activities.
In January, he issued an order to conduct terrorist attack specifically targeting the Beijing Olympic Games.
2. Recruiting members for the terrorist organization
For a long time, Memetiming Memeti has been sending key members of the ETIM to a certain Middle East country to spread separatism and extremism among Chinese people residing there, and trying to persuade them to join the ETIM.
In 2006, he sent a key ETIM member, Abdushukur, to a south Asian country to persuade young people there to join the terrorist organization by giving financial aid and spreading extremism.
Beginning 2007, he was very active in recruiting new members, and sent them to undergo training in physical endurance, firearms, military tactics and making explosives and poisons. Their purpose was to sabotage the Beijing Olympics in particular. 　　
3. Inciting terrorist activities
In 2004, Memetiming Memeti organized the production of propaganda discs about the terrorist activities of ETIM former head Hasan Mahsum, and distributed them in China.
In January 2005, via the ETIM website, he called on the "Xinjiang Uygur people" to support and help the ETIM, and urged "all the Xinjiang muslims" to take part in "jihad".
In June 2008, he appeared in a video in which terrorism threats were made, which was broadcast on the ETIM website as well as the world's largest video-sharing website. He warned "all the athletes and audience prepared to take part in the Beijing Olympic Games" that "all strength has been concentrated" and "action has been in the implementation phase". He threatened to "give the Chinese government the deadliest strike by the simplest means" and "turn the year 2008 into China's year of condolence".
4. Masterminding, plotting and implementing terrorist activities
In August 2004, Memetiming Memeti ordered ETIM terrorists to blast a "Chinese club" in a south Asian nation.
Since August 2007, he and other leaders of the organization have sent a dozen terrorists to China as well as to Middle East and west Asian countries through illegal channels for anti-Olympic activities.
Under his guidance, trained terrorists sneaked into China's Xinjiang and other areas, set up terrorist groups, raised funds and bought chemical raw materials for making explosives and poisons, and purchased vehicles for terrorist attacks. They planned to sabotage the Olympic Games by conducting terrorist attacks within the Chinese territory before the Games opened.
Memetiming Memeti also sent dozens of terrorist teams to some Middle East and west Asian countries to raise funds and buy explosive materials for terrorist attacks against Chinese targets outside Chinese territory. 　　

II. Emeti Yakuf, also know as Aibu Abudureheman and Saifula, was born on March 14, 1965. He is a Chinese national with the official identity number of 653127196503140336. He is accused of being a key member of the ETIM, which is recognized by the United Nations as a terrorist group.
Charges against him include:
1. In November 1996, Emeti Yakuf illegally exited China for a South Asian country, joined the ETIM there and received terrorism training. In September 1998, he became a key member of the terrorist group. Since 2001, he has acted as ETIM military commander, in charge of recruiting new members, organizing terrorism training, as well as planning and carrying out terrorist attacks.
2. Since 2001, Emeti Yakuf, directed by another ETIM leader Memetiming Memeti, has recruited people with extremist ideologies in a Middle East country. Since the end of 2007, he ordered ETIM members to enter Chinese territory to prepare terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics.
3. Emeti Yakuf organized terrorism training camps in a South Asian country, training dozens of extremists in military and terrorist skills. Those trainees were sent to countries in the Middle East and West Asia. Dozens of terrorists were trained for seven months by Emeti Yakuf to learn how to make explosives and poison.
4. Since 2007, Emeti Yakuf has spread extremist philosophy and terrorism propaganda within China. In June 2008, Emeti Yakuf released an video statement on the ETIM website and a popular video website to stir up so-called "holy war" against the Beijing Olympics, threatening to attack Chinese government employees, service people, police, as well as politicians from Western countries, athletes and spectators, who were in Beijing for the Olympics. They even threatened to use biological and chemical weapons during the Olympic Games.
5. In January 2008, Emeti Yakuf worked out a detailed plan of terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics. Since August 2007,Emeti Yakuf has sent more than 10 terrorists to China and other countries to find opportunities to initiate explosions. Emeti Yakuf disseminated manuals and formulas on making explosives and poisons. Emeti Yakuf organized funding for ETIM terrorist groups worth hundreds of thousands yuan. Since 2008, Emeti Yakuf has issued several directives to his followers to conduct terrorist activities targeted at the Beijing Olympics.

III. Memetituersun Yiming, also known as Abuduaini, was born in1974. He is a Chinese national with ID number 65302119740830003X. With technical secondary school education, he is one of the key members of the ETIM.
Charges against him include:
1. Participating and supervising the terrorist organization
Memetituersun Yiming fled China and joined the ETIM in 1999. He received terrorist training in an East Asian country and became the bodyguard and driver for ETIM former head Hasan Mahsum. He then became responsible for the organization's logistics and fund-raising.
2. Recruiting members and collecting funds for the ETIM
For a long time, he took orders from his supervisor Emeri Yakufand by advocating extremist and secessionist ideas to encourage people in west Asia to join his organizations, and collect and raise funds for terrorist activities.
He also plotted and organized terrorist attacks targeting the Beijing Olympics. In the first half of 2008, he went to a west Asian country and organized more than 10 ETIM members to launch terrorist attacks, and tested bombs, and prepared to enter China illegally to carry out his activities. He also attempted to use explosives in terrorist attacks on targets both inside and outside China.

IV. Memetituersun Abuduhalike, also known as Metusun Abuduhalike, Ansarui or Naijimuding, was born in 1976. He is a Chinese national with ID card number 6532221976060144576 and a middle school education. He is one of the key members of the ETIM.
Charges against him include:
1. Participating in and supervising a terrorist organization
He illegally went abroad in May 1996, and joined the ETIM in 1997 when he began to receive terrorist training. After Hasan Mahsum was shot dead in November 2003, he became a key member of the ETIM, and was responsible for the organization's website maintenance and computer management.
2. Making videos of terrorist threats
In June and July, he made video footage of terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics for Memetiming Memeti and Emeti Yakuf, and broadcast them on a major video-sharing website. The video encouraged terrorists to launch attacks on targets in China, to achieve the goal of creating an atmosphere of terror and spreading the influence of terrorism.
3. Inciting terrorist activities
For a long time, Memetituersun Abuduhalike advocated extremist and violent terrorist ideology among extremists in China, taught them how to make poison and explosives and other methods for terrorist attacks, and encouraged them to launch terrorist attacks in the country. With his propaganda and incitement, extremists in Xinjiang formed terrorist groups and committed violent attacks against government organizations, police and the public before and during the Beijing Olympics.
4. Providing funds for terrorist activities.
Since April 2007, Memetituersun Abuduhalike took orders from Emeti Yahuf and sent large sums of money through financial organizations to support the activities of terrorist groups in China, the Middle East and west Asia, to help them purchase raw materials for making explosives and poisons, to buy vehicles and rent houses, in preparation for terrorist attacks.

V. Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti, also known as Saiyide, was born in 1972, a Chinese national, with college education. His ID number is 653101197211020819. He was identified by the United Nations as a core member of the ETIM.
Charges against him include:
1. Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti illegally exited China in 1999 and joined the ETIM in a south Asian country in May 2006. In October 1999, he received specialized training in the terrorist training camp, including using weapons and making bombs, and became a core member of ETIM.
2. In December 2007, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti was dispatched by ETIM head Memetiming Memeti to a Middle East country, where he preached separatism and extremism among local Chinese, induced people who believed in extremism to join the terrorist organization, and built up a terrorist group to launch attacks abroad.
3. From December 2007 to June 2008, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti raised money for terrorist attacks in the Middle East country. He purchased large amounts of chemicals for making bombs, and focused on a supermarket where many Chinese business people assembled as the attack target. He planned to blow up the supermarket before the opening of Beijing Olympics.

VI. Aikemilai Wumaierjiang, was born in 1977, a Chinese national with junior high school education. His ID card number is 654126197706010012. He was identified by the United Nations as an ETIM member and a core member of the terrorist branch built up by Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti.
Charges against him include:
1. Aikemilai Wumaierjiang illegally exited China in 2006. In December 2007, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti encouraged him to joining ETIM.
2. He assisted Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti in the conspiracy to bomb a supermarket where Chinese business people assembled before the opening of Beijing Olympics. 　　

VII. Yakuf Memeti, also known as Abudujilili Aimaiti, Abudula or Punjab, was born in 1976, a Chinese national with vocational secondary school education. His ID number is 652927760128101, and passport code is P.2631544. He is a key member of the terrorist group East Turkistan Islamic Movement.
Charges against him include:
1. Participating in terrorist groups
Memeti fled China in 1999 and joined the ETIM in a south Asian country where he received physical training, and instruction on using weapons and making explosive devices for six months in 2007.
2. Implementing terrorist activities
In July 2008, Yakuf Memeti received orders from ETIM military commander Aimaiti Yakuf in a south Asian country, and planned to sneak into China for a suicide attack targeting the Beijing Olympics. He also accepted a secret task assigned by ETIM head Memetiming Memeti and gathered information on Chinese companies and neighborhoods in a south Asian country. With local informants' help, he located a large oil refinery as target, but his attempts failed due to strict security.

VIII. Tuersun Toheti
Tuersun Toheti, also known as Mubaixier or Nurula, was born in 1975. A Chinese national, his ID number is 653125750620041. He finished senior high school and is a key member of the ETIM.
Charges against him include:
1. Participating in a terrorist organization
In August 1999, Tuersun Toheti joined the ETIM in a south Asian country and received training in terrorism skills. In 2002, he was designated to central and west Asian regions.
2. Implementing terrorist activities
In June 2008, Tuersun Toheti saw an ETIM terror threat video when he was in a west Asian country and contacted the organization's military commander Aimaiti Yakuf and key members like Memetituersun Abuduhalike in the hope of getting details of the terror plan. He also requested Aimaiti Yakuf send him chemical formulas of explosives as soon as possible.
In July of 2008, Tuersun Toheti organized a terrorist team with the organizations and prepared for terror attacks. They were actively involved in raising money, buying raw materials to make explosives and testing explosions, conspiring to attack Chinese targets during the Beijing Olympics.

Source:http://de.china-embassy.org/det/zt/antiterror/t566108.htm

[deagle]

we should be collaborating to find more info on those troublemakers to make sure it doesn't lead into the US.

[acosta]

wat?

I think those are white you are calling black. it rarely happens. close you eye and let evil runs in you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uN32RSb92w

Is this the Harmonious China that Hu Jintao talks about? I think those are Han Chinese murdering Uighurs.

[TheMiddlePath]

Good points.

I think the World leaders are giving China much deference and measured responses.

I'm surprised the Islamic nations are quiet. How's the mood in Malaysia over this crisis? I recall a generation ago similar clashese between the Malays Muslims and Chinese communities.

Perhaps some lessons learned from the Malaysian experience can be applied in China.


The riots in Malaysia was due more to a weak government, disparity in wealth between the richer Chinese living soley in the cities and the poorer Malays living in the rurul area and sparked off by victory marches by the mainly Chinese DAP opposition party after an election (What's new. Even today election brings violence) . Most of the killings were by soldiers from outside. Local Malays and policeman actually protected the Chinese. The local Malays helped my grand father to escape just before their house was partially burned down again by outsiders.

Malaysia under the authortarian Mahathir was the best period of national unity. Today racial problem is again due to the weak leadership of Badawi whose ancesters by the way are from China !

[Gentius]

It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

Sick to the core.

Well said, I agree 100%.

[Fage]

we should be collaborating to find more info on those troublemakers to make sure it doesn't lead into the US.

That's exactly what I was thinking about.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5677/610x33g.jpg

[acosta]

they are not even welcomed in Bermuda. it cause unease among the public? they are now "peace" loving people? they will never be. check another hot thread today and look how people respond to Al Quaedo?

[acosta]

they attacked innocent kid.
http://i0.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/p/2009-07-07/U1565P1T1D18170794F21DT20090707101716.jpg

[acosta]

they attacked pass-by Kazakh kids, 6 yrs old only.
http://politics.people.com.cn/mediafile/200907/07/F200907071102092045558152.jpg

[Lala_Peace]

What is the basis of branding this organization a terrorist one? you are the people who were opposing Jamat- u-Dawa being branded as terrorist organization!!!!

[hulaku]

What is the basis of branding this organization a terrorist one? you are the people who were opposing Jamat- u-Dawa being branded as terrorist organization!!!!

Well said.

For those of you who don't know Jamat-u-Dawa was the new name taken up by Lashkar-e-Toiba, the terror group which was responsible for the Mumbai massacres.

Why didnt the Chinese want that banned?

It only hurts when it hits you, otherwise its all hunky dory

Link below

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/China_blocked_move_to_ban_Jamaat_thrice/articleshow/3818807.cms

[wilhelm]

Mmmmmm......

I do not like to see innocent people, regardless of colour or creed murdered.

The silence from the usual suspects (ie. Al Quada) is deafening. Is this because they know they can't win against an authoritarian structure like China?

As much as it pains me to say it, there once more appears to be the usual common denominator present.

I wish we as a species were more developed.

[Connaught Ranger]

they are not even welcomed in Bermuda. it cause unease among the public? they are now "peace" loving people? they will never be. check another hot thread today and look how people respond to Al Quaedo?

So a small percentage of people in an ethnic group cause trouble, allegedly as terrorists or by racial hatred, and you paint them all with the same brush.

Now, where have we seen that type of stereotyping before? :roll:

And who is the "WE" you refer to in your thread title?

[acosta]

so why US military jailed these "innocent chinese citizens" in cuba for several years? can you answer that?


So a small percentage of people in an ethnic group cause trouble, allegedly as terrorists or by racial hatred, and you paint them all with the same brush.

Now, where have we seen that type of stereotyping before? :roll:

[Connaught Ranger]

so why US military jailed these "innocent chinese citizens" in cuba for several years? can you answer that?

They were handed over to the U.S. as suspected members of a terrorist Organisation that was not called: the World Uygur Youth Congress:roll:

The US had a right to detain them until it was established just who they were, also just because some people of the Uigher are allegedly "terrorists" doesnt mean they all are.

You rant = fail.p-)

[acosta]

name one, did you read the thread carefully?

** Dolqun Isa, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born on September 2, 1967. A native of Aksu, Xinjiang, he is one of the key members of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization and has been head of the World Uygur Youths Congress for many years. Since he fled abroad, he has organized and participated in all sorts of terrorist activities launched by the separatist group.

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

Sick to the core.

I usually dont like wrapping tin foil around my head and predicting conspiracies but analysing the events its becoming increasingly disturbing.

Between 1000 - 3000 rioters caused 150 deaths, mainly with steel instruments such as knifes or blunt force trauma from stones/bricks. In the space of 12 hours.

Those are not just random out burst of anger but well planned incitement of violence and civil strife to achieve some sort of political objective. I cant think why a supposed "peaceful" protester would be carrying concealed weapons. When 1000 of them do its a bit of a stretch to put this down as random.

Its interesting also that some ethnic Uighurs themselves were attacked, from the footage of the 6yo girl and her father they seem to be well to do and maybe seen by the extremist Uighurs and rioters as fair game like the Han Chinese.

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

they attacked pass-by Kazakh kids, 6 yrs old only.
http://politics.people.com.cn/mediafile/200907/07/F200907071102092045558152.jpg

On CCTV she is described as Uighur ethnicity.

[acosta]

really? you sure?
if that's true, this incident can not be named as ethnic conflicts, this is just huge crimes against all human being, adults and kids, man and woman, or "we".


On CCTV she is described as Uighur ethnicity.

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

So a small percentage of people in an ethnic group cause trouble, allegedly as terrorists or by racial hatred, and you paint them all with the same brush.

Now, where have we seen that type of stereotyping before? :roll:

And who is the "WE" you refer to in your thread title?

I am actually in agreement with you, that its only a small percentage of people in the Uighur community who are responsible.

Their aim with this random acts of violence is simply to promote ethnic division within Xinjiang between the Han and the Uighur, thereby hoping to gain from the resulting civil and political turmoil. Not in a million years would a violent uprising overthrow the rule of the PRC and CCP in Xinjiang, but a violent backlash by ethnic Han civilian has the potential to spiral out of control and re-directed against the CCP is a very real threat.

The CCP know this game plan inside out, and from the actions of the PAP, the PSB police so far, their response has so far been swift, firm, decisive but also restrained, calculated and focused on de-escalation. Protecting ethnic Uighur Chinese citizens, maintaining curfew, dispersing vigilante Han mobs and revenge seekers, arresting suspects in sweeps.

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

really? you sure?
if that's true, this incident can not be named as ethnic conflicts, this is just huge crimes against all human being, adults and kids, man and woman, or "we".

Well, if you believe CCTV p-)...of course when its suits for some.

As I said, she and her father could be singled out for mingling with the Hans or is part of the successful Uighurs whom has done well for themselves due to the affirmative action policy.

The other thing people dont realise is that some Uighurs cant be distinguished from Han, depends on the region the the level of mixing there.

[Connaught Ranger]

name one, did you read the thread carefully?

** Dolqun Isa, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born on September 2, 1967. A native of Aksu, Xinjiang, he is one of the key members of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization and has been head of the World Uygur Youths Congress for many years. Since he fled abroad, he has organized and participated in all sorts of terrorist activities launched by the separatist group.

Where is the source of your claims located.:roll:

Your posts on this thread appear to be a formulated attack against the Uygur,

what is your agenda? even better yet are you a supporter of Chi-Com State?

Your profile is lacking even the basic of Information, do you have something to hide?

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

Where is the source of your claims located.:roll:

Your posts on this thread appear to be a formulated attack against the Uygur,

what is your agenda? even better yet are you a supporter of Chi-Com State?

Your profile is lacking even the basic of Information, do you have something to hide?

Now just what is the problem with supporting the PRC and the CCP? Your reasonings are starting to degenerate as well.

[acosta]

CNN filmed some street scene, dead bodies scattered along the road, vendors dead with their comodities looted?

that was the hell, guys, watch CNN or any other media.

i don't like CCP and even PRC. they can only exploit Han chinese, and always let uyghurs criminals get their way, is it the time when they rethink their minority policy? and treat all citizens equal and take those volences to justice?

[jamber]

http://politics.people.com.cn/mediafile/200907/07/F200907071102092045558152.jpg
This girl is Uighur ethnicity.

[Connaught Ranger]

Now just what is the problem with supporting the PRC and the CCP? Your reasonings are starting to degenerate as well.
The reason I am asking him, is to find out if there is a hidden agenda against the Uighir by the person who started the thread, he makes a lot of claims, presents a lot of "facts" but offers no sources. Are we just expected to take his word at face value? And China is not a country renowned for political, social, racial tolerances is it?

[Jaegermeister + Red Bull]

The reason I am asking him, is to find out if there is a hidden agenda against the Uighir by the person who started the thread, he makes a lot of claims, presents a lot of "facts" but offers no sources. Are we just expected to take his word at face value? And China is not a country renowned for political, social, racial tolerances is it?

China is a single party dictatorship, full stop. Its got its own set of rules and boundaries for political tolerances. The CCP regardless whether for the good of the people and/or its own political self preservation is the main reason, is there to govern the PRC as it sees fit under the current system. Comparing western democracy against the PRC's single party dictatorship political tolerance is a moot exercise.

As for social and racial, it varies region to region. The government has its set of policy aimed at promoting minority advancement and racial harmony. I cant speak for the people themselves.

The PRC and CCP has my full support in its dealings with extremist and separatists, of any ethnic group in China.

[GemiPiggy]

A very scaring video token by a Korean media:
http://chxiao.com/wlmq.flv

[Fage]

Dialogue 09/07/07 Terrorism vs. unity in Xinjiang
http://www.cctv.com/program/e_dialogue/20090707/109518.shtml

[acosta]

they are quoted. you don't read carefully.

you seem to think everyone has a hidden agenda starting a thread. and what's your agenda, i am not against uighurs, i am against urghurs terrorist.

i guess you eyesight need some improvement. your judgement 80% depends on your sight than hearing.

looks like everyone has to have a hidden agenda starting a thread

The reason I am asking him, is to find out if there is a hidden agenda against the Uighir by the person who started the thread, he makes a lot of claims, presents a lot of "facts" but offers no sources. Are we just expected to take his word at face value? And China is not a country renowned for political, social, racial tolerances is it?

[Connaught Ranger]

Your posting style leaves a lot to be desired, kid,

if you quote from a online newspaper its normal to post a direct link to the story.

For somebody not against the Uighurs, you post the word terrorist in connection with their name a lot p-)

[acosta]

i hate all violences and terrorism and admire all peace loving people.
i don't know what's wrong with our world. since when terrorism become headache of planet earth? from Nine-one-one to bombay kidnap, from school shooting in Ohio to burning and killing hundreds pass-bys in Urumuqi? who is the savior? obama? hu? putin?


Your posting style leaves a lot to be desired, kid,

if you quote from a online newspaper its normal to post a direct link to the story.

For somebody not against the Uighurs, you post the word terrorist in connection with their name a lot p-)

[Connaught Ranger]

i hate all violences and terrorism and admire all peace loving people.
i don't know what's wrong with our world. since when terrorism become headache of planet earth? from Nine-one-one to bombay kidnap, from school shooting in Ohio to burning and killing hundreds pass-bys in Urumuqi? who is the savior? obama? hu? putin?

There is no savior, it is the curse of mankind to inflict pain and suffering on our fellow man, we have been perfecting the technique for centuries and probably will go on doing it for centuries more.

You also quite innocently assume that murder, i.e. criminal killing is the same as terrorism, criminals kill for profit or to satisfy a perverse desire.

Terrorists kill to get their Religious, political views some publicity, as well as away of getting the people to answer their demands.

Not all nationalists, are terrorists, not all people who want to improve their social standing are terrorists.

But, remember this ALL are innocent until proven guilty in a recognised Court of Law.

Connaught Ranger

[Fage]

Supporters of Xinjiang separatists demonstrate in Washington

2009-07-09 07:58:53
WASHINGTON, July 8 (Xinhua) -- Some 150 supporters of Xinjiang separatists on Tuesday held a demonstration in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington D.C., in an attempt to drum up support for their separatist activities.

Waving flags and banners, and shouting "Xinjiang independence," the crowd led by Rebiya Kadeer marched three kilometers from DuPont Circle in Washington to the Chinese embassy on Tuesday afternoon.

Rebiya, now head of the separatist World Uygur Congress, is believed behind a deadly riot on Sunday in Urumqi, capital city of China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. The riot left 156 people dead and some 1,000 others injured.

Chinese police said evidence shows that the organization instigated the riot with postings on the Internet calling on Uygurs to "be courageous" and "do something big."

During Tuesday's gathering, Rebiya made an agitative speech, calling on foreign governments to support their separatist movement.

The demonstration was tightly watched by U.S. police and security authorities, and faded out in about three hours. Rebiya Kadeer, who was born in Altay, Xinjiang, in 1951, became head of the separatist World Uygur Congress in 2006. She now lives in the United States.

Source:http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/09/content_11677036.htm

[hulaku]

i hate all violences and terrorism and admire all peace loving people.
i don't know what's wrong with our world. since when terrorism become headache of planet earth? from Nine-one-one to bombay kidnap, from school shooting in Ohio to burning and killing hundreds pass-bys in Urumuqi? who is the savior? obama? hu? putin?


All normal human beings generally hate terrorism.

As for the incident you refer to "Mumbai kidnap" which was actually the massacre of 170 innocent civilians why did the Chinese Government not agree to banning the organization that carried out this attack.


Three attempts to ban Jamaat-ud-Dawah, the frontal organisation of the Pakistan-based terror outfit LeT, in the UN Security Council were blocked by China in the past, and now all eyes would be on what Beijing does on fresh attempts to ban the outfit. The sanctions committee of the Council had circulated a note to its members that the United States backed by Britain and France, had twice tried to add JuD chief Hafiz Mohammed Saeed to the list of individuals and organisations connected to terrorism last May, but the move was blocked by China, according to a note circulated in the UNSC on Wednesday.


It was only after immense pressure that China agreed to do so.

Why does China support Islamic terrorists in India ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/China_blocked_move_to_ban_Jamaat_thrice/articleshow/3818807.cms

[ggk]

Good points.

I'm surprised the Islamic nations are quiet. How's the mood in Malaysia over this crisis?

.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/83517/-oic-calls-upon-chinese-government-to-carry-out-transparent-investigation-of-incident-in-xinjiang-uygur-autonomous-region.html



I recall a generation ago similar clashese between the Malays Muslims and Chinese communities.
Perhaps some lessons learned from the Malaysian experience can be applied in China


Malay and chinese...not Muslim and Chinese...and it is as harsh as it get...certainly nothing can be learned from the clash other than it hurts and its dangerous.

[Fage]

Chinese tourists attacked by "East Turkistan" supporters in Germany


[15:28 July 11 2009]

China's consulate in Munich on Friday warned Chinese tourists in Germany or planning a visit to the country about possible attacks by supporters of so-called "East Turkistan."

The warning was issued after a group of Chinese tourists was attacked by "East Turkistan" supporters in Munich on July 7, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry. No casualties were reported.

The ministry has urged the Germans to take necessary measures to protect Chinese citizens and reminded the nationals to contact the consulate in case of emergency.

Source:http://china.globaltimes.cn/diplomacy/2009-07/445495.html

[Fage]

2009-07-11 13:44 BJT

Amidst all the violence in the Urumqi, there are have also been stories of courage amidst difficulty. Surveillance footage taken during the riots, shows employees of a bakery providing shelter for people.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4882/21836295.jpg
Surveillance footage taken during the riots, shows employees
of a bakery providing shelter for people.

As staff were preparing for a shift change, the manager noticed something was wrong.

Shopkeeper Chen Dongshan said, "Many people rushed to hide in our shop around eight. And many rioters were outside beating policemen. We just locked the door for fear they'd break in."

Everyone in the bakery feared for their lives.

Shopkeeper Chen Dongshan said, "It was horrible. They threw stones and bricks at us."
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3193/17210582.jpg
Shopkeeper Chen Dongshan

A cashier said, "We had both Han and Ugyur customers in the bakery for dinner. We were nervous so we took them upstairs."

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6585/63150491.jpg
Broken windows

Nearly 60 people crowded into the second floor of the bakery. Staff then led people to the dormitory and the manager's office.

A cashier said, "There were so many people. It was hot and stuffy. I told them not to go outside and to stay calm. Then we locked all the doors and windows."

After they saw the police arrive, everyone felt relieved. They all made it home safely.

Chen Dongshan finds it hard to believe what had happened. He says people of various ethnic groups have lived peacefully with each other in the city.

Shopkeeper Chen Dongshan said, "All ethnic groups need unity. Now is a time to unite further. That's where our power comes, as a big family."
Chen says the violence shows the vicious intentions of the separatists. He believes Chinese people will never let them win.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8211/27270692.jpg
Nearly 60 people crowded into the second floor of the
bakery. Staff then led people to the dormitory and the
manager's office.

Watch Video (http://www.cctv.com/program/newshour/20090711/104552.shtml)

Source:http://www.cctv.com/program/newshour/20090711/103160.shtml

[Fage]

Search for Han Chinese sister whose family were butchered by Uighurs

From The Times

July 10, 2009

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/img/global/tol-logo.gif (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/)

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The family grocery shop yesterday. The bodies of the family were left to burn by the mob

Jane Macartney in Urumqi

What was once a grocery shop is now a blackened mess. Two boys in shorts and singlets play in the rubble but the usual occupants are absent. Five days ago a Han Chinese family was butchered in this small shop — victims of the Uighurs who rampaged through Urumqi.

Yu Dongzhi described how he clawed through the smoking ruins of the store to search for the family who lived there. He hoped to find his sister, Yu Xinli; her husband, Zhang Mingying; their 13-year-old son; her elderly mother-in-law; and a nephew aged 27.

The police helped him to dig among sacks of flour and bottles of rice wine melted by the heat of the blaze.

He found no survivors, only four bodies. He has yet to discover the fate of his sister.

Mr Yu is a heavily built man in his fifties and more than 6ft, but he almost weeps with despair. “I just hope I can find my sister in an intensive care unit of one of the hospitals. But so far, nothing.”

He has checked the mortuaries and photo galleries of unclaimed bodies held by the police, but his sister was not among them.

He has been refused access to the intensive care units. “I don’t say that I want to go in to disturb these very sick people, but why can’t they show us photographs of the injured? At least then I could find my sister,” he said.

Mr Yu cannot bear to think that she may have been dragged away by the rioters and murdered.

Just coping with the deaths of his sister’s family has almost overwhelmed him. The bodies were among the corpses whose pictures have been carried in local newspapers. So shocking was the family tragedy that one newspaper carried a special report on it, Police have confirmed the killings.


As The Times stood outside what is left of No 447 Zhongwan Street, a Han neighbour approached. She had watched the killings from her home in an apartment block overlooking the store.

“We saw hundreds of Uighurs running down the street on the afternoon of July 5. About ten suddenly rushed into the store. They began to hit the people inside, even the old mother, with bricks and stones. They tried to run outside. Then they were dragged back inside.

“There were terrible screams. Just wordless screams. But then very quickly they fell silent.”

She said that the son tried to hide in a chicken coop but was dragged out and his head was cut off. All the victims were left to burn inside the building. The corpses of the boy and his father were found beheaded. Mr Yu said: “Even the 84-year-old mother was stoned and then burnt. It was terrible, terrible. So cruel.”

Mr Yu made his way yesterday to a temporary emergency centre in an Urumqi hotel. At some desks clerks helped Han and Uighurs to process requests for compensation for damaged cars or destroyed businesses.

In a corner, two women waited at a desk for families seeking missing loved ones or reporting the deaths of relatives. This was where Mr Yu hoped to find help in the hunt for his sister. Officials were unable to explain what he could do next.

He sat in the hotel room-turned-office surrounded by relatives, just waiting. “I still have to keep up my hopes,” he said.

Mr Yu is too busy looking for his sister to organise the funerals for her family. That painful task will come next.

More than a decade ago his brother-in-law moved from central Henan province to run a successful business in a district with a high proportion of ethnic Uighur residents. “Perhaps they were jealous of his success. They clearly targeted the family. It looked as if they had decided in advance to pick on my sister. The police are pursuing the case and they have made some arrests,” said Mr Yu.

Nearby, a Uighur family run a small restaurant. The man shrugged when asked about the family who only a week ago ran a thriving business. He refused to talk about his late Han neighbours.

Source:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6677379.ece


Comments below:

One of the very few honest reports by far. I overheard from a friend in that area that the death toll is far more than 156. The Chinese government is said to be hiding to truth in order not to stir up furthur unrest.

Jessie, Nanjing, China

Thank you Jane for not under estimating the intelligence of the readers here. I want to tell you how devastated I was when seeing the horrific scene caused by these criminals. I don't blame all Uigher but rather I think the person who is masterminding these criminal acts should be held responsible.

Robert, New England,

I am so thankful that finally I can read news being reported truthfully. I have been listening to the NPR radio station and found out the the news reported by that station has been very biased. It is sad to know that in this day and age, there are media still under estimating people's intelligence.

JoJo, Paris,

Thats real journalism, telling the truth and facts without any polemic.As an overseas Chinese i am really shocked about the brutality and inhuman acting of this criminal rioters. But i am sure, not all Uyghurs are such animals, only 1000-3000 people take part in this riot and in Xinjiang are 10 Mio.

Tommy Hsu, Vienna,

May there be peace in Xinjiang Autonomy Region. May the Hans and the Uighurs live and prosper harmoniously now and forever.
But we know they won't. Unless the Uighurs, like all other minorities in the world, integrate into the mainstream of society, they will slowly be squeezed out. Harsh reality.

Manuel, Belfast, N. Ireland

I think it is about time the Chinese government start treating the Uighurs fair and square ---- no more crime leniency and stop favourable college entrance allowance for ethnic minorities. Same treatment for everyone under the flag. From now on, all citizens of the PRC must abide by one set of law.

John, Kowloon, Hong Kong

The Chinese bleating about 'the truth' forget that 46 Uighurs died; and that's only the 'official' numbers. But still, as I've been told innumerable times by the Chinese, the Uighurs are 'all thieves' and 'not as civilized as our Chinese people', so let's not shed any tears eh?

John M, Shanghai,

It's a tragedy in western countries that people have been misleading by biased news to believe that China is nothing but bad, althought most of them including journalists are lack of any basic knowledge about Uighers in Xinjiang and China's minority policy

BW, TORONTO, CANADA

It's a tragedy in western countries that people have been misleading by biased news to believe that China is nothing but bad on everything, from politics to products.

Actually, most of them including journalists didn't have any basic knowledge about Uighers in Xinjiang and China's minority policy

BOWEN, TORONTO, CANADA

i was just in Urumqi 2 weeks ago to visit my future wife. it was one of the most peaceful and beautiful cities of this size i have ever seen.then i hear about this tragedy there. unbelievable. i havent heard from her since we spoke on the phone on the 5th right before this happened. is she ok?crazy!

chris, columbus, ohio, USA

thank you for your objectivity, thank you for your honest, and thank you for your impartiality.

raymond, beijing, China

Thanks to the Time, and thanks to the Jane Macartney, this is the first Western Media reported this event without biases.

In face Uighurs can have a second child in China but Han Chinese can only have one child, how can people say that Chinese goverment repressed the Uighurs ethnic group?


Tina, MK, UK

This is only one of the most objective report on the affair of China. It is quite better than BBC, CNN. Thanks

Tao, Pusan, Korea

Thanks Jane! Based on my 30 years experience living in China. I believe you tell the truth without too much politics. Politics make people hate each other without finding the truth.The world would be more peaceful if we have more reporters like you. Thanks again, Jane!

Yichuan, Edmonton, Canada

Thanks for telling the truth. Good Job!

fly, cleveland, usa

go along this , western public do not want to see the peace&development---think aboutit ,the former low-level peanuts would get upon us??!!! no no,let`s do something to stop this,at least do somgthing on the imaterial support for the thousands of enemy against to china,race,export,business....

spainfish, Tianjin, china

A very balanced piece - especially so considering the biased reportage from many quarters of the Western media whose anti-Chinese agenda causes them to euphemistically refer to a horrendous, grisly atrocity as a 'protest'. A pre-planned terrorist massacre might better describe the events of Sunday.

Nigel Jackson, Manchester, UK

I really appreciate Times for this objective and unbiased report on this incident which is not usually seen amongst the western media these days!

Truth needs to come out and those evils who committed crimes should be brought to justice!

YZ, London,

I have seen how Gipsy were discriminated by almost all europeans, how black and latino is discriminated by americans, how Aboriginals were discriminated by Aussies, compared to them, Uighers in China are been treated far better with far more benificial policies like college entrance, crime leniency.

Michael F, Shanghai,

-"The Great Wall of China? Doesn't it show where Han's real northern and western border should be? Way to the south & east of East Turkestan."
Are u actually saying that when you built a wall 2000years ago then you are just confined in it and not allowed out? Maybe u should all be confined i Moscow

Michael F, Stockholm,

Of course it's "peaceful muslim protest" by their definition. And of courst, there must be a cause to lead this to happen. Doesn't it often happen for a cause of a great name? You think it's understandable when it happen to Chinese civilians, you are unwilling to name it terrorism. FINE.

Teri, Baltimore, US

Hope chinese ethno-national policy to be changed and Uighur friends can
have a good economic status. Wish God, Allah and Buddha bless us and heal the world.

Thanks to Time Online again!

James Pan, Shenzhen, China

or frankly to say, foolish and not public selected CPC leaders occupy the leader position but no beneficial output. The Uighur friends also have no way to find a shortcut in chinese jungle of business world where chinese Han people in company have to work overnight.

James Pan, Shenzhen, China

This is so sad.... Those terrorists deserves to go to hell...

Charlie Truong, Davis, CA, USA

little punishment when you did a big outlaw thing that is why chinese Han people run away quickly off the Xinjiang people surfacely shown as discriminiation because Han policemen are afraid to arouse the ethic disorder and always let the big crame be little or dispear.

James Pan, Shenzhen, China

I think the wrong policies like other lead to tragedy.One is the 'Ethenic Discrimination', but the 'Ethenic Discrimination' is not the to minorities but Han such as If you has a minority identity, the scores for entrance to university will be greatly decreased,

James Pan, Shenzhen, China

Thanks for Time Online as a western media to show sympathy to the died innocent people.
Thanks to Time Online for giving me a chance and right to post my thoughts even we can post nothing in most famous chinese web sites.
I have Xinjiang friends and know something.

James Pan, Shenzhen, China

Jane gets it right about this incident--a brutal and probably planned attack meant to kill Han

well done

Kev Lax, Shanghai, China

Who Stealing？ you mean Hong kong ? John， Shame on you! The leader of overseas Uighur, Rebia has 11 kids when she was in China! but same times each Han couple only can have 1 child!

Joseph, Silicon Valley, USA

Xinjiang is not Uighurs' home land, their ancestors called 'Arertai' come of the area of Lake Baikal which located in Russia. they moved into Xinjiang in 13th Century, and syncretised other boong ethnics such as Yanqi, Yutianyu, and later Han, Tu-Fan, Khitan and Mongolian.


Lee, Cardiff, UK

>>Uighurs lands have been stolen

Han Chinese has been lived there for 2000 yrs, long before Uighur Ethnic was formed. Go back to school. John.

>>Chinese that are forcing abortions upon them, while getting treated like second class citizens

>> The fact is on the contrary. Ask BBC reporter in China

Sean, San Jose, CA, US

This is one of the few unbiased articles by western media covering this terrorist incident. It can go further to explore who were behind all of this. The Uighur riots were backed by overseas Uighur separatists and certain western organizations. Their goal is to create chaos and fear in that region.

Michael, Twin Cities, USA

I want to say to my fellow Han Chinese:

A few criminals (yes they r also Chinese) commited these brutal acts. Don't say "Uighurs did this". Uighur people as whole should not take responsibility for these individuals. There are also Han criminals, but would you say that "Hans stole my wallet"?

oiasunset, Beijing, China

Uighurs lands have been stolen, they're getting extinct, and Chinese that are forcing abortions upon them, while getting treated like second class citizens in their own lands. How would you feel if China successfully invaded the US and Europe where they treated you the same? Support Uyghur freedom

John, Liverpool,

Thanks for this brave report, Jane. This is the first independent onsite report and it reveals how brutal the radical Islamic terrorists are. People should stop manipulating themselves by putting a thing overhead for hating. Like Cancer, the time it kills the owner, is the last second for itself.

Daniel, NYC, US

So sad to see the brutal side of human beings. Everyone has equal right to live in this planet earth. As long as there is peace, does it really matter who lives in where? Shame on these cruel and selfish ppl who try to use religion as a excuse to kill and get priorities over others!

Kerry, Canterbury, UK

Dear The Time

It is another mindless tragedy. One race killing another race just because some did and others simply followed!

Not ALL Uighur or the Hans are involved. Get those people who committed this crime, regardless of their ethicity. They must pay for the murderous act. May peace return!

LU Keehong, Singapore,

to adolf of berlin, germany, are u saying that americans with german ancestry should now leave north america en masse?

AHK, Johore, Malaysia

Dave, Beijing, China

I'm just pointing out the uighurs are using "Homeland" as a reason. Western media are selling this point too. Some posters are calling it a "Chinese colonialism". Who 'owns' what becomes an issue. Uighurs history of ethnics cleansing other races must be made known too

Glenn, Singapore, Singapore

Discriminations of many sorts are OBVIOUS in China. Many Chinese consider the white foreigners superior to themselves. People in cities discriminate against people from rural areas, no matter what ethnic groups they belong. I, a Han, was discriminated against in Shanghai. Education is not up yet.

Jin Ling, Orlando, USA

The latest news showed that both of Hans and Urgurs tried to escape the city of Urumqi because ethic tensions. I believe that Chinese police hasn't controlled the situation in that city, it seems Chinese police forces not efficiency or lack of experiences to handle the current situation.

John, Dublin, Ireland

there are a couple of Uighurs in our town. the way they behave just like hooligan. just don't like them.

Osher, Wellington, New Zealand

Gonzo, Guildford:
Secondly, what exactly is the problem in showing unity? Are you forgetting the UN concept of an attack on one is an attack on all? Don't get me wrong, the action of these people is wrong, but don't bring tarnish a religion because of it.

A Khan, Nottingham,

How are about IRA in Northern Ireland? today "Real-IRA" seems do the same things like the Urgurs want to do in China.

John, Dublin, Ireland

Gonzo, Guildford:
When a crime is committed, only a name is mentioned.When a muslim commits a crime, the papers explicitly state that it was a so and so muslim.Why do you think this is?Why are no other crimes related to other religions?Biggest fraud ever, Madoff-a jew,but few picked up on this.

A Khan, Nottingham,

This is just another example that the islamic people would never get along with their neighbours no matter where. Like in France, Holland, Russia, Australia..............

Eirc, Hamilton, Canada

To Farrukh:
(1) The Uighers have better situations than American Indians ever had. (2) Critism of Chinese gov't policy in no way justifies brutal killings of civilians, just as one can not justify 911 attack based on critism on US policy. This time Uighers showed the world their ugliest side.

Kang, Potomac, USA

I don't think the CIA involve this riot directly in China due to the USA and China special economic relationship today. However, I doubt the CIA indeed support the uighur organization in the U.S to provide funds to them under the human right policy.

John, Dublin, Ireland

It will be nightmare for the west if an islamic autonomy is established in China. It is not a another Afghanistan, it will be terrorist base against the west under Chinese military protection which can cause third world war if the west try to invade.

vincent liang, VIC, Australia

That was totally peaceful and non-violent protest, I support that , I against any police to kill that peaceful and non-violent demonstrator.

Question is 156 lives were killed by the Chinese Police?
Is it possible for protester to do everything with a flag of human right and freedom?

John, Dublin, Ireland

To Farrukh, don't you konw there are many other races live in XinJiang longer than Uighers? Don't you Know why many Uighers are not happy there, ask Osama bin Laden, he will tell you the reason and convince you to commit another 911.

Mark, HongKong, China

Anyhting happens in the world must be the doings of CIA and Isreal especially connected with Muslim. This is the view of most muslims and we probably should blame this on them too.

sao, khobar, saudi

Glenn, Singapore - 1400 years ago Vikings populated an area of Greenland. Subsequently they were forced out by Inuits who in turn were colonised by the Danish. It is futile using history like this to judge to who 'owns' what. What matters is finding a fair and peaceful paths forward here and now.

Dave(an uneducated idiot), Beijing, China

Contin: yes, you may be right that here in the UK minorities are better protected by law than in China,but compared even to 8 yrs ago Uygurs enjoy a lot more privileges.Everyone wishes every group to enjoy a better life, but that doesn't come overnight.Remember UK 40 yrs ago and the situation now.

M Zhu, London,

@Farrukh:historical facts may be objective,but with emotions involved they're not so clear.Han empire captured the Tarim base 2000 yrs ago,but then few 100 yrs later Uygurs built an empire there.By the time Qing empire conqd that area Dzungar Mongols were living there,but Qing moved the Uygurs there

M Zhu, London,
...cont.
3) It is naive and prejudiced to just blame "Islam".
4) The Chinese govt. always portray the Han Chinese as the victims. Read History. The Han are the powerbase.
Murder is never justified. The govt. need to cool it and address even *percieved* differences. History lessons to be learned.

nsowon, Dalian, China

So, a flood of newcomers with a different cultural and religious background causes the existing population to feel overrun and to fear for their future.

Are we talking about Blackburn or Burnley?

RG, London,

@John M, Shanghai
Agreed. People should come and live here before commenting. People with stability, equality, etc. rarely want to fight.
1) They have a reason to be unhappy.
2) External fundamentalist Islamic people are, like in many Muslim countries, fuelling the fire for their own ends.
...cont.


nsowon, Dalian, China

To John M and Paul, As a Han Chinese and I hate any form of racism. I'm sure you guys have never experienced crimes cause by Uighurs in Chinese big cities. Ask any ordinary
Han Chinese, you will find they are not discriminating Uighurs but scare of them.

Xiang, Guangzhou, China

Paul, London, we have freedoms here. The Chinese have been rehousing Hans from across China into Uigher communities for years. The Uighers have had their rights taken away. Comparing how we would respond in our circumstances to theirs, shows how little we understand of Uigher's plight.

Farrukh, Woking,

Thanks Jane, for the 84-year-old mother , for the little boy, for all the innocent who died in this "peaceful protest" !!!


xiang, London, UK

A Khan, Nottingham: Did you read the comment by Jiben, Shanghai? 'All Muslims are bothers so we are justified in fighting back'.

Don't hear this very often from other religions do you?

Gonzo, Guildford,

well, the Han chinese should not invade other people's land.
Serves them right.

adolf, berlin, germany

"The Uighur invaded Sin Kiang 800 yrs ago, and only ruled it for 70 years. Hans were there 1200 years earlier

The Great Wall of China? Doesn't it show where Han's real northern and western border should be? -- Way to the south & east of East Turkestan. Under Manchu no Han was allowed beyond it.

Max ****in, Moscow,

To John M Shanghai

You are right. Han Chinese are not very friendly with the Uighurs in Shanghai and a number of major cities I witnessed in China. I think it is about time they stop racial discrimination against the Uighurs n treat them as equal. Religion could be the real cause of the rift.

Paul, London, UK

Thanks for this story. Often you hear the Western media chalking this riot up to the Uighurs fighting for "freedom", but it is really just an attack on another ethnicity, on par with the recent Northern Irish attacks. It's time for a more balanced view.

Vanessa, Warwick, United Kingdom

To Ray, Auckland, New Zealand
" would you kill your boss if you got unfair treatments and distribution of resources, or butcher your PM when lost your job? "

My answer is NO. I won't. I would sit down with them to reason things out in a calm and civilised way, with 1 condition --- don't ignore me.

Paul, London, UK

Thanks for fair news.
Bless all the dead people there in xinjiang and punish the rioters!

ming, le mans, France

Hugh, London, England
I was wondering how long it would take before someone uses this as an opportunity to criticise Islam.Maybe you can elaborate further and criticise Christian leaders and their religion for their massacres in Iraq,or Jewish leaders for their massacres in Palestine...Thought not.

A Khan, Nottingham,

Not to condone things, but it's funny, all these Chinese commentators pontificating to (admittedly ignorant) Westerners about coming to China to see it for themselves.

I've lived here for 3 years, and lost count of the times I've encountered unbridled prejucide towards Uighurs from Chinese people.

John M, Shanghai,

The Uighur invaded Sin Kiang 800 yrs ago, and only ruled it for 70 years. Hans etc were there 1200 years earlier.

So comments about "Uighur homeland" and "Chinese colonialism" are uneducated duds.

There were 3 mass genocides committed by the Uighur, that's why they are the biggest ethnic group.

Glenn, Singapore, singapore

To Paul, would you kill your boss if you got unfair treatments and distribution of resources, or butcher your PM when lost your job? let's judge this riot in a fair way.


Ray, Auckland, New Zealand

Thanks for Times Online.

Elin, Beijing, China

The religion of peace strikes again ... how long before they show us again what they are capable off...

Hugh, London, England

Even in shanghai, the police can't control those xinjiang mob, They were put in jail, out, and in, numerous times. It's the normal Han chinese suffer from the mobs' robbery and violent attack. To be honest, I'm scared of them.

lucy, shanghai, china

why did many poster say jane made a brave story...is she going to face punishment or what?

neilace, shanghai, china

and more
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6677379.ece

[Mobydog]

Can we name WUC a terrorist group ?

You can't.. when you beat a dog, you must consider who's the owner.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14327

It was "saffron" for the Myanmar protest, It was "crimson" for the Tibetan pogom, so what's the designated colour code for the uighur's revolution ?

[acosta]

Melbourne International Film Festival, what a big stage for these people, let us just watch the show.

by the way, just watch what a good mother Rebiya Kadeer is, she has 11 children.

11 children, in one child policy china? are you serious?




this is how this government treat its minority urghurs and unfairly default its Han majority. Let's just wait to see how this 11 children mother demo...

[Scarren]

qoute on:sao, khobar, saudi

Glenn, Singapore - 1400 years ago Vikings populated an area of Greenland. Subsequently they were forced out by Inuits who in turn were colonised by the Danish. It is futile using history like this to judge to who 'owns' what. What matters is finding a fair and peaceful paths forward here and now. qoute off

Saay Whaat ? Havent learnt Thaat in History lessons...:)

[Connaught Ranger]

Can we name WUC a terrorist group ?

You can't.. when you beat a dog, you must consider who's the owner.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14327

It was "saffron" for the Myanmar protest, It was "crimson" for the Tibetan pogom, so what's the designated colour code for the uighur's revolution ?

Purple . . . ?

[chino65]

The John M of Shanghai in that long post points out that Han Chinese have "unbridled" discrimination against Uighurs.

The common discrimination among Han Chinese is that Uighurs are all thieves.

This is of course untrue, there are equally many Uighurs who work hard and do not steal for a living. I always chat with the Uighur guy selling lamb skewers at a certain street corner and the Uighur workers at my favourite Uighur restaurant all know I am from Singapore.

I like mutton tremendously and the Uighurs does it best. (Oh, I just made a racially discriminating statement...)

But unfortunately, many Shanghainese I know DID get robbed by Uighurs. Definitely not the same hardworking ones that I know - but the fact that many Uighur crims operate with impunity in Chinese cities is a fact.

There is some kind of "leniency" in practice in China regarding Uighurs and Tibetans. Even if the police arrest Uighurs or Tibetans for petty crimes or other reasons, they usually do not try them or keep them in jail for long. They are released.

The simple reason is that the CCP wish to avoid giving these 2 minority groups fuel to feed the flames. Thus, Uighurs get away with petty crimes and this emboldens them. Tibetans as a minority group are not known for being thieves, just very fierce street vendors you don't want to mess with. (Another racial satement.)

I think Tibetan girls are really cute. (Again!... racial statement.)

One Shanghainese friend had a friend who got stabbed to death on a bus in Shanghai when he intervened in a robbery conducted by a gang of Uighurs.

One colleague who walks with a limp had her purse snatched by a gang of Uighur youths in Shanghai.

This is not to say Han Chinese aren't thieves or crims...

I am just explaining why this racial discrimination came about as Uighurs look distinctly different from Han. So it is easy to get robbed by an Uighur and then declare all Uighurs are crims. They aren't, of course.

I got robbed in Barcelona and the first thing the police asked me was whether they were Arabs or gypsies. So, guess what, the Spanish and jut about the whole world are discriminating too!

[Fage]

The Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP) Finally Reacts to Urumqi Riots, Threatens Revenge on China

The NEFA Foundation has obtained a new audio recording from the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP) titled, "In Occasion of the Communists’ Massacre of Our Muslim Nation in China and in Urumqi (East Turkistan)." In the statement, TIP's military commander Saifullah warned, "you ought to know that this Muslim people has men who will avenge them, and soon the knights of Allah will ambush you, Allah-willing, so await as we are with you awaiting.” The threat comes on the heels of ethnic riots in Urumqi, the regional capital of Xinjiang, which have left nearly 200 dead and 1,700 injured. For those who are still unaware, the TIP is a Uighur militant group based in northwest Pakistan which is loosely aligned with the Taliban and Al-Qaida.

An English transcript of Commander Saifullah's remarks can be downloaded from the NEFA Foundation website (http://www.nefafoundation.org/documents-area-pakistan.html#tip0709).
July 20, 2009 07:38 AM

Source:http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009/07/the_turkestan_islamic_party_ti.php

[Fage]

Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) urges targeting China over Uighurs

*******
Saturday, August 1, 2009; 2:35 PM


DUBAI (*******) - The leader of a group calling itself the Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) urged Muslims to attack Chinese interests to punish Beijing for what he described as massacres against Uighur Muslims.

"They (Chinese) must be targeted both at home and abroad. Their embassies, consulates, centers and gathering places should be targeted," Abdul-Haq al-Turkistani said in a video posted on an Islamist website on Saturday.

"Their men should be killed and captured to seek the release of our brothers who are jailed in Eastern Turkistan ... Our duty, we in Eastern Turkistan, is to continue to resist without desperation," said Abdul-Haq, described by an al Qaeda-linked website as the leader of TIP.

Abdul-Haq, whose group has launched violent attacks in the past, accused China (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/china.html?nav=el) of committing "barbaric massacres" against Muslims in Xianjiang, which TIP calls East Turkistan.

Uighurs are a Muslim people native to Xinjiang, in China's far west, and have cultural ties to Central Asia and Turkey.

Uighurs attacked Han Chinese in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang, on July 5 after police tried to break up a protest against fatal attacks on Uighur workers at a factory in south China. Han Chinese in Urumqi launched revenge attacks later in the week.

The violence saw 197 people killed and more than 1,600 wounded, mostly Han Chinese. About 1,000 people, mostly Uighurs, have been detained in an ensuing government crackdown.

Exiled Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer said on Wednesday that nearly 10,000 Uighurs involved in deadly riots in China's northwestern Xinjiang region went missing in one night.

Abdul-Haq's face was digitally blurred in the Arabic-language version of the video which also contained a collage of footage of the violence in the region.

The militant was speaking with an assault rifle to his right and what appeared to be a pistol pouch strapped to his shoulder.

Beijing does not want to lose its grip on Xinjiang. The vast territory borders Russia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/russia.html?nav=el), Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/afghanistan.html?nav=el), Pakistan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/pakistan.html?nav=el) and India (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/india.html?nav=el), has abundant oil reserves and is China's largest natural gas-producing region.

The militant group has claimed violent attacks in the past including bombing two public buses in Shanghai in May 2008.
(Writing by Inal Ersan; editing by Michael Roddy)

Source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/01/AR2009080101435.html

[Fage]

Uighur terrorist leader threatens attacks against Chinese interests across the globe

August 2, 2009 12:22 PM

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Uighur terrorist from a videotape released by the Turkistan Islamic Party last year.

The leader of the al Qaeda-linked Chinese terror group has threatened to attack Chinese interests around the world to avenge the death of Uighurs in the eastern province of Xianjiang.

Abdul Haq al Turkistani, the leader of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party, threatened to attack Chinese embassies worldwide as well as targets within the country. Haq made his threats on a video that was released on an Islamist Internet site.

"(The Chinese) must be targeted both at home and abroad,” Abdul Haq said. “Their embassies, consulates, centers, and gathering places should be targeted. (Chinese) men should be killed and captured to seek the release of our brothers who are jailed in Eastern Turkistan.”

Haq said that it is the “duty” of his followers to “continue to resist without desperation."

Haq’s videotape comes in response to the recent violence in China’s eastern province of Xianjiang. Clashes between Uighurs and security forces broke out after police attempted to break up a protest in the provincial capital of Urumqi on July 5.

The Uighurs were protesting murderous attacks on laborers by ethnic Chinese Hans living in the region. Nearly 200 people were killed and more than 1,600 were wounded, and another 1,000 have been detained. An exiled Uighur leader later claimed that more than 10,000 Uighurs have gone missing.

Background on Abdul Haq and links to al Qaeda

Haq, who is also known as Maimaitiming Maimaiti, became the leader of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party in late 2003 after Hassan Mahsum, the group’s previous leader, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan. Haq was appointed as a member of al Qaeda’s Shura Majlis, or executive leader council, in 2005, according to the US Treasury Department, which designated (http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg92.htm) him as a global terrorist in April 2009. The United Nations also designated (http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/consolidatedlist.htm) Haq as a terrorist leader.

Haq is considered influential enough in al Qaeda's leadership circles that he is dispatched to mediate between rival Taliban groups as well as to represent the Shura Majlis in important military matters. In June, Haq was spotted in Pakistan’s tribal areas (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/06/senior_al_qaeda_and.php) attending an important meeting with Baitullah Mehsud, Pakistan’s overall Taliban commander. Haq and a senior delegation of Taliban and al Qaeda leaders traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas to discuss the Pakistani military's operation in South Waziristan. Among those in attendance were Siraj Haqqani, the military commander of the deadly Haqqani Network; and Abu Yahya al Libi, a senior al Qaeda ideologue and propagandist.

The Treasury Department said Haq has sent operatives abroad to raise funds for attacks against Chinese interests both at home and abroad. He also is involved with the planning and execution of terror attacks, recruiting, and propaganda efforts. In early 2008, Haq openly threatened to conduct attacks at the Olympic Games in Beijing.

Haq ran a training camp for his recruits at al Qaeda’s camp in Tora Bora in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar prior to the US invasion in October 2001 [see LWJ report, The Uighurs in their own words (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/04/the_uighurs_in_their.php)]. He later reestablished camps for the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Party in Pakistan’s lawless, Taliban-controlled tribal areas. The Chinese government has pressured Pakistan to dismantle the camps.


Source:http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/08/uighur_terrorist_lea.php

[acosta]

this letter comes from Beijing controlled media, and just share for your judged view.

http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2009-08/453781.html
Dear mother,

This letter is written by your son Khahar and daughter Roxingul, together with your younger brother Memet Kadeer.

You once were the richest person in Xinjiang just because you were granted a lot of business opportunities and convenience by the Communist Party of China and the Government. But, despite repeated leniency of the Party and the Government, you ended up in prison under other people's enticement. You were allowed to go to the United States thanks to, once again, our government's leniency. You pledged to our government not to participate in any separatist activity before you departed for the United States. You broke your words anyway.

Mother! We all long for a stable life. In Xinjiang, which is like a big family to people of different ethnic groups, none of us has ever experienced a violent incident as cruel as what happened on July 5 (in Urumqi). Because of you, so many innocent people lost their lives in Urumqi on July 5, and so many houses, shops and vehicles were burnt or damaged. The harmony and unity among ethnic groups were undermined. Why does this happen?

Xinjiang is a happy home to the people of various ethnic groups. It is impossible for anyone to simply destroy it, nor will the people forgive anyone who damages their homes. Mother, despite so many things you have done, the Government treats us very nicely. We are often told, "Your mother is responsible for things she did. It has nothing to do with you."

Because you went to the United States immediately after you were released on parole, you have no idea how much Xinjiang has changed. People are living a good life here. There are no difference between ethnic groups so long as you're willing to work hard. There are many Uygur millionaires and countless new buildings in Urumqi, and Uygur people enjoy various preferential policies from the government. Isn't this the result of good policy of the Government?

No one wants this happy home destroyed. Please think about the happiness of us and your grandchildren. Don't destroy the stable and happy life in Xinjiang. Don't follow the provocation from some people in other countries. We still miss the mother who cared about us before going to jail. The last thing we want is that our mother is condemned by the people of all ethnic groups.

Khahar (son of Rebiya Kadeer)

Memet (younger brother of Rebiya Kadeer)

Roxingul (daughter of Rebiya Kadeer)

Kheser Hapiz (son-in-law of Rebiya Kadeer)

Kadilya Kheser (granddaughter of Rebiya Kadeer)

Rizya Kadeer (adopted daughter of Rebiya Kadeer's daughter)

Zukhila Kadeer (older sister of Rebiya Kadeer)

Aydida Khahar (granddaughter of Rebiya Kadeer)

Aygul (daughter-in-law of Rebiya Kadeer)

Dildar Khahar (granddaughter of Rebiya Kadeer)

Zulpkhar (grandson of Rebiya Kadeer)

Sarda (grandson of Rebiya Kadeer)

[hulaku]

Because you went to the United States immediately after you were released on parole, you have no idea how much Xinjiang has changed. People are living a good life here. There are no difference between ethnic groups so long as you're willing to work hard. There are many Uygur millionaires and countless new buildings in Urumqi, and Uygur people enjoy various preferential policies from the government. Isn't this the result of good policy of the Government?


Isnt the Chinese Government giving her more publicity by making her relatives write letters like this?

[Ordie]

Isnt the Chinese Government giving her more publicity by making her relatives write letters like this?

Ironically the PRC media is Rebiya's best publicist, and she's getting it free of charge.


Because you went to the United States immediately after you were released on parole, you have no idea how much Xinjiang has changed.

The fact of the matter is that Rebiya was released on medical grounds and left for the US. The PRC authorities could have prevented her departure at any time before then as there are strict exit controls.

The PRC government is to blame for her release and exile.

[Caoriben]

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evidently, they are.

[Solvent]

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evidently, they are.

They are going with AQ style. Very good, keep coming.

[Ordie]

They are going with AQ style. Very good, keep coming.

The difference is that AQ rarely hide behind masks.

OBL and cronies usually videotape without masks.

[Solvent]

The difference is that AQ rarely hide behind masks.

OBL and cronies usually videotape without masks.

Oh, baby, they hide. They hide very much.

The ones not hiding are those who don't need to do field jobs.

[StinkyStreet]

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evidently, they are.


Not enough evidence, until they start blowing up trains in London and NYC they will continue to be those poor misunderstood people
Right now they only murdered Chinese so its no big deal

That's how the game is played

The West indirectly funds the Saudis with funds, weapons, massive economic deals for the devils black fuel
and the Chinese indirectly funds the other flavor, the Iranians with massive economic deals or weapons

Until both sides see they are dealing with two flavors of the same BS, one mans Islamic terrorist will be another's oppressed person looking for freedom, trade deals or some BS


The difference is that AQ rarely hide behind masks.




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