The two absolutely pseudo pictures of Xinjiang with their original sources

[GemiPiggy]

What she shows:


What was reported in June 26. In Hubei Province of China.


the original report can be found by this link:
http://opinion.nfdaily.cn/content/2009-06/26/content_5300729.htm

See how far away these two events happened.

[hulaku]

We do not understand Chinese.

Can you please explain what you are trying to say here?

[GemiPiggy]

What are they protesting?


The report by xinhua on May 16. "Serious traffic accident kill 3 in one family in Hangzhou"


see original report by the url:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/legal/2009-05/16/content_11382911.htm

The location of Hanzhou, the capital of Zhejiang Province.

[GemiPiggy]

We do not understand Chinese.

Can you please explain what you are trying to say here?

The picture shown by Rebiya was token about ten days before the Xinjiang violence at a place thousands mile away from Xinjiang.

[hulaku]

What you are trying to say is that the picture that Uighur person is holding is actually the photo of an accident in some far off province rather that Xinjiang?

And he is showing it as atrocities on Uighur people.

[Herman the German]

The picture shown by Rebiya was token about ten days before the Xinjiang violence at a place thousands mile away from Xinjiang.

So you doubt that there is violence and murder in Xinjiang?
Whats the point? There is poorly researched journalism all over the world, nothing new.

[GemiPiggy]

What you are trying to say is that the picture that Uighur person is holding is actually the photo of an accident in some far off province rather that Xinjiang?

And he is showing it as atrocities on Uighur people.


Yes, the picture is about a traffic accident in Hangzhou more than a month ago.

[somedude]

So you doubt that there is violence and murder in Xinjiang?
Whats the point? There is poorly researched journalism all over the world, nothing new.

Their point is that since the woman (who is the head of the Uyghur independence movement I think) provided these pictures before the rioting occurred and was thus probably aware of their sources, is complicit in inciting the rioters. Or at the very least, she's knowingly fanning the rioting flames by providing false imagery.

[LordKitchener]

What she shows:


What was reported in June 26. In Hubei Province of China.





So what's going on here? Another anti-government demo in another region in China? Looks like the authorities are taking it pretty seriously.

[Herman the German]

Their point is that since the woman (who is the head of the Uyghur independence movement I think) provided these pictures before the rioting occurred and was thus probably aware of their sources, is complicit in inciting the rioters. Or at the very least, she's knowingly fanning the rioting flames by providing false imagery.


See yourself:
She is actually condemning violence and the interview was taken after the riots.
If I get the translator right she even says that those pictures aren't from a recent demonstraion but was taken to show how suppressive the police acts and therefore violence from the Uighur people is hardly possible because of the huge police presence in general.

http://www.youtube.com/v/sekG0_H7LGQ&hl=de&fs=1

[GemiPiggy]

So what's going on here? Another anti-government demo in another region in China? Looks like the authorities are taking it pretty seriously.

Yes, a men was found dead in a hotel. The government said he suicided.
But people believe he was murdered.

[Ordie]

Yes, a men was found dead in a hotel. The government said he suicided.
But people believe he was murdered.

Its becoming all too common in China.

No body has faith in Chinese justice.

The sooner the rule of law with an independent judiciary is implemented in China, the sooner order is achieved.

[acosta]

so this woman and her group is serously lying.

now we find who might be masterminding the whole incident.


by the way, she used to be a senior member of chinese government, and she's among the early beneficiary of china's opening and reform, now she is changing.

what a serious politition.

[Herman the German]

so this woman and her group is serously lying.


The chinese government isn't?

[acosta]

you see it in this thread and with hard evidence?


The chinese government isn't?

[Herman the German]

you see it in this thread and with hard evidence?


What do I see?
How does any of the above confirm the point of view of the Chinese government? Let alone prove their version of the story?

As said, watch the whole interview. She is condeming violence and not fueling it...

http://www.youtube.com/v/sekG0_H7LGQ&hl=de&fs=1

[acosta]

Media is joining in fake pictures, too

[King of the Grey]

acosta, please be advised that the London Evening Standard is a tabloid...小报. It is common technique for tabloids to mis-use information simply to confirm their own bias, appease their target audience, and grab attention. Thus, can be completely disregarded. :roll:

Not saying Western broadsheet papers 大报 don't do it, but to a much lesser degree because their credibility is at stake. These broadsheets are read by mostly the higher-ups in society, those who have the power to change society. One mis-quote, one wrong source, consequences can be devasting.

[Herman the German]

have you read the article?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23716353-details/WORLD%3A+The+women+invoking+Tiananmen+s+spirit/article.do

Cant find the picture above, however the article is there. Cant see what is wrong with it.

[Bugaboo]

Media is joining in fake pictures, too


How do you know? You were there when it happened?

[acosta]

they are on broadcast globally by cctv and cnn, dear bugaboo. you have cable tv?


How do you know? You were there when it happened?

[LordKitchener]

The Evening Standard is also owned by a Russian ex-KGB agent.


they are on broadcast globally by cctv and cnn, dear bugaboo. you have cable tv?

You actually saw those 2 women being attacked by Uighurs?

[King of the Grey]

The Evening Standard is also owned by a Russian ex-KGB agent.

haha yeah, ironic isnt it! FIGHT DISINFORMATION WITH DISINFORMATION! KGB-style!

[Herman the German]

http://www.youtube.com/v/OoQ7DTOhcu4&hl=de&fs=1

[Bugaboo]

they are on broadcast globally by cctv and cnn, dear bugaboo. you have cable tv?

You have some reading problems: WERE YOU THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED?

I saw many things on TV and I am aware what can be achieve with a bit of editing.

[Sapporo]

The Evening Standard is also owned by a Russian ex-KGB agent.



You actually saw those 2 women being attacked by Uighurs?

Footage on multiple cable outlets showed these two running for cover towards the police.

Would you run to the police if you just had your face wrecked by them?

[King of the Grey]

Al Jeerzera, another 'Western-run' media organisation that is attempting to bring down the national unity of the Chinese nation perhaps? :P

Interesting standpoint Al Jeerzera is taking.

[Herman the German]

Interesting standpoint Al Jeerzera is taking.

I wonder if those videos are accessible in china?

[King of the Grey]

maybe, but how many in China actually watches the English news channel, not many know the language...and certainly not foreign english news channels, who, by default through association (English anyone?), are interpreted as harmful to the feelings of the people, and totally unjust.

[gustav]

they are on broadcast globally by cctv and cnn, dear bugaboo. you have cable tv?

Oh yeah, if its on TV it must be true. :roll:

[Chulo]

Roll out the CHICOM DRONES!!!!

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

Roll out the CHICOM DRONES!!!!I used to collect CHICOM propaganda booklets and leaflets but now a collect posts on MP.net

PS: I still have a very fine copy of Mine Warfare in english printed in 1971 I would like to quote a line from this little book; "With deep national pride and class hatred , sister Tien raises her red-tasselled spear and plunges it into this enemy who dares to resist."

[Bugaboo]

Do you think we will have anybody address us in a third person? When it happened I could at least laugh.

[RICHIECOQUI]

There people here on this forum that should know better then to argue with a chicom troll

[dttk0009]

Oh yeah, if its on TV it must be true. :roll:

Just to play devil's advocate, are you claiming it's staged? I saw the short clip and it certainly looks like they took refuge behind police lines. Not sure what connotation your comment is meant to carry :)

[Ordie]

Here's an article from the New York Times that might be of interest for those who negates bias.


July 9, 2009

Poor Migrants Describe Grief From China’s Ethnic Strife

By EDWARD WONG (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/edward_wong/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
URUMQI, China — As Muslim Uighurs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/uighurs_chinese_ethnic_group/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) rampaged through the streets of this western provincial capital on Sunday, Zhang Aiying rushed home and stashed her fruit cart away, safe from the mob. But there was no sign of her son, who ventured out amid the ruckus to retrieve another of the family’s carts.
“Call him on his cellphone,” Ms. Zhang, 46, recalled shouting to another relative. “Tell him we want him home. We don’t need him to go back.”
Her son, Lu Huakun, did not answer the call. Three hours later, after the screaming and pleading had died down, Ms. Zhang went in search of him. A dozen bodies were strewn about. She found her son, his head covered with blood, his left arm nearly severed into three pieces.
The killing of Mr. Lu, 25, was a ruinous end to the journey of a family that had fled their poor farming village in central China more than a decade ago to forge a new life here in China’s remote desert region.
Mr. Lu and his parents are typical of the many Han migrants who, at the encouragement of the Chinese government, have settled among the Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking race that is the largest ethnic group in oil-rich Xinjiang Province. The influx of Han, the dominant ethnic group in China, has transformed Xinjiang: the percentage of Han in the population was 40 percent in 2000, up from 6 percent in 1949.
“We wanted to do business,” Lu Sifeng, 47, the father, said Tuesday, his eyes glistening with tears as he sat smoking on his bed. “There was a calling by the government to develop the west. This place would be nothing without the Han.”
But migration has fueled ethnic tensions, as Uighurs complain about the loss of jobs, the proliferation of Han-owned businesses and the disintegration of their own culture.
On Sunday, Mr. Lu was among at least 156 people killed in the deadliest ethnic violence in China in decades. Rampaging Uighurs battled security forces and attacked Han civilians across Urumqi.
The riot had evolved from a protest march held by more than 1,000 Uighurs to demand that the government investigate an earlier brawl between Han and Uighurs in southern China.
The government, apparently hoping to tamp down racial violence, has not released a breakdown of the ethnicities of the 156 dead. But Mr. Lu’s father said that of more than 100 photographs of bodies that he looked through at a police station to identify his son, the vast majority were Han Chinese, most with their heads cut or smashed.
Each victim had a number. His son was 51.
“Of course, in recent days, we’ve been angry toward the Uighur,” Mr. Lu said. “And of course we’re scared of them.”
The family came from Zhoukou, in Henan Province, a poor part of central China. They grew wheat, corn and soybeans on a tiny plot of land. There was little money in it, and the parents heard of a way out: friends from Henan had gone to distant Xinjiang and were making enough money to support relatives back home.
It was the late 1990s, and the central government had announced a push to develop the west, promising that investment would soon flow to those long-neglected lands.
Mr. Lu and Ms. Zhang went first. The younger Mr. Lu followed after graduating from junior high school.
It was far from a bonanza. Others from Henan were selling fruit and vegetables, so the Lu family bought wooden fruit carts. They got a spot at an open-air market off Dawan North Road, on the border between Han and Uighur neighborhoods. Every day, they pushed their carts to work at 8 a.m. and did not shut down until midnight. In a good month, the family netted $300.
“He wasn’t so satisfied with life here,” Ms. Zhang said of her son. “He was so tired here, and there wasn’t so much money.”
Not a day went by that they did not miss their hometown, Ms. Zhang said. But until this past winter, they had never returned for a visit. They wanted to save the cost of train tickets.
They live in bare concrete rooms on the ground floor of an apartment block opposite the market. The kitchen has a makeshift two-burner stove a few feet from the parents’ bed. Most of their neighbors are fellow migrants from Henan and Sichuan.
At the market, about three-quarters of the 200 vendors are from those two provinces, the parents said. A handful of Uighurs sold fruit or raw mutton.
“Relations with the Uighurs were pretty good,” Ms. Zhang said. “There was a mutton stall beside the cart where my son sold fruit. On nights when my son didn’t want to bring his fruit home, he would ask the Uighur neighbor to keep the fruit inside his stall.”
This past winter, the family took the nearly 40-hour train ride home for the first time. The parents had arranged for Mr. Lu to marry a 23-year-old woman from home. The couple had photographs taken: Mr. Lu in a white turtleneck lying beside his bride-to-be in front of a beach backdrop; the smiling couple sitting on a white bench, each holding teddy bears in their laps.
The family returned to Xinjiang after scheduling the wedding for the end of this year.
On Sunday, as on any other day, Ms. Zhang, her son and a young cousin pushed four carts to the market. Mr. Lu’s father had gone to another province to buy fruit wholesale.
Abruptly at 8 p.m., the manager of the market told people to shut down immediately. More than 1,000 Uighurs were marching through the streets to protest government discrimination. Street battles erupted when riot police officers armed with tear gas and batons tried to disperse the crowd.
The first wave of the rioters arrived minutes later, weapons in hand. The younger Mr. Lu dashed home first and Ms. Zhang followed him. When she got home, she found that he had gone out again to rescue another cart.
She cried for three hours until she dared go out to look for him.
“I thought, if I don’t find a body, then maybe he’s in hiding and still alive,” she said. “But I quickly found the body.”
Mr. Lu’s father identified his son on Wednesday from a photograph at a police station.
“After we cremate the body, we’ll go home with the ashes,” Ms. Zhang said. The father stared at cigarette butts strewn across the floor. “We’ll never come back,” he said.
Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/world/asia/09han.html?_r=1&ref=global-home&pagewanted=print

[Chulo]

News sources say that the Han have been lead by this criminal
WANTED


100 Dumplings as reward

[matthew.manhorn]

Please cite your sources: which are xinghua and anti-cnn.com

[Excalibur]

i think, if the situation escalates, china will deal with uighurs the same way as russia did with chechens and the world will stay silent.

[Player]

i think, if the situation escalates, china will deal with uighurs the same way as russia did with chechens and the world will stay silent.

I don't think that the situation with the Uighurs and the Chechens is really comparable. As far as I know the Uighurs are very peaceful people, there's no chance they are going to take it much further than protests and riots.

As for the world, of course it wouldn't dare to take any serious action against China just because of another suffering minority under the Chinese rule. Since when do people give a damn about the lives of others as long as it doesn't happen to them?

[GemiPiggy]

I'm not saying all Uighurs are mob but it's quite sure, some of them are cold-blooded. Throat-cut and calvarium-slam, nothing could be worse.


I don't think that the situation with the Uighurs and the Chechens is really comparable. As far as I know the Uighurs are very peaceful people, there's no chance they are going to take it much further than protests and riots.

[turan8]

I'm not saying all Uighurs are mob but it's quite sure, some of them are cold-blooded. Throat-cut and calvarium-slam, nothing could be worse.

I'm sure you could characterize the Han as that too.

[TheMiddlePath]

What she shows:


What was reported in June 26. In Hubei Province of China.


the original report can be found by this link:
http://opinion.nfdaily.cn/content/2009-06/26/content_5300729.htm

See how far away these two events happened.



Rabiya is not stupid. She was bought up in Xinjinag so she knows those pictures very well. She knows the riots and protest are being subdue and will cease soon. She is trying to incite more riot and wants it spread to other city.

She knows she only have a short window of opportunity to incite more riots. She do not have any good pictures that can be used to incite hatred and incite more riotings since all the videos were of uighers smashing Han people. So she is desperate and has to use what she can including lying to maintain the momentum of the protest. If the riots and protest are subdued, she knows she will not get another chance for a long time.

Classic CIA method to destablise a country. She obviously has got some very good advisers.

[Ordie]

Classic CIA method to destablise a country. She obviously has got some very good advisers.

I differ with your views.

Blaming CIA is getting as old as blaming Jews for Malaysia problems.

The Obama has done nothing but given China much deference and face. Even Nancy Pelosi, the most critical of China's human rights record, has been very respectful to her hosts on her recent trip to China. Leon Panetta, CIA chief, has more internal issues to deal with than Xinjiang.

fact of the matter is that China is a fragile country with many China's within trying to sort things out. Just as there are many Malaysias within Malaysia trying to sort things internally at all levels. Just as China has ethnocentric issues with Xinjiang, I assume that Malaysia has similar issues with Sabah on Borneo.

I don't know if you been to China, but if you take a train ride in the hard seat section, you'll can see and step into many worlds.

The unrest is not different than the many unrests that is happening throughout China. Much of it is connected with the lack of transparency and rule of law. The locals do not have confidence in the justice system therefore they take justice into thier own hands.

[TheMiddlePath]

I differ with your views.

Blaming CIA is getting as old as blaming Jews for Malaysia problems.

The Obama has done nothing but given China much deference and face. Even Nancy Pelosi, the most critical of China's human rights record, has been very respectful to her hosts on her recent trip to China. Leon Panetta, CIA chief, has more internal issues to deal with than Xinjiang.

fact of the matter is that China is a fragile country with many China's within trying to sort things out. Just as there are many Malaysias within Malaysia trying to sort things internally at all levels. Just as China has ethnocentric issues with Xinjiang, I assume that Malaysia has similar issues with Sabah on Borneo.

I don't know if you been to China, but if you take a train ride in the hard seat section, you'll can see and step into many worlds.

The unrest is not different than the many unrests that is happening throughout China. Much of it is connected with the lack of transparency and rule of law. The locals do not have confidence in the justice system therefore they take justice into thier own hands.


Rabiya received funding from NED. We all know what NED does.

M'sia is hardly a comparison for racial riots. It would be "Terbalik" (Reverse). Here the miniority subsidies the majority and the miniority do not beat up the Majority. We also work quietly around the NEP policies and do not go to external forces for help.

But as a developing country with very high growth rate during Mahathir rule I can see the same transformation of Malaysia and take pride in its development too.

Yes I have been to ShenZhen.

And back when China started to open up and M'sian were allow to visit China, I have family member who has gone back to our ancesters "Kampung" (Village) in northern Guang Dong. Back then they were so poor. My family member could hold a party for the entire village and pour gifts to them. Today what a different. They have bigger TV then us now and they are now giving us gifts.

[Smiling_Wolf]

I'm not saying all Uighurs are mob but it's quite sure, some of them are cold-blooded. Throat-cut and calvarium-slam, nothing could be worse.

Did you come to this opinion by talking and meeting with Uighurs, personally? And in a friendly manner?



And back when China started to open up and M'sian were allow to visit China, I have family member who has gone back to our ancesters "Kampung" (Village) in northern Guang Dong. Back then they were so poor. My family member could hold a party for the entire village and pour gifts to them. Today what a different. They have bigger TV then us now and they are now giving us gifts.

Guangdong, like the other Chinese provinces bordering the sea, are generally more prosperous. Those in inner China don't have such prosperity. Maybe you should try going to those places to better see what life is like there.

[GBob]

The little lady's given too much credit over the riot job, i wonder if powerful idiots in the gov't is making an huge oppsite oversea force that would have previously never got a chance existing. It happened before though. they turn their believe into reality.

[Super Sheep]

Guangdong, like the other Chinese provinces bordering the sea, are generally more prosperous. Those in inner China don't have such prosperity. Maybe you should try going to those places to better see what life is like there.

I think you shouldn't take a kind-hearted observation and comment into a challenge over the assumption that he is saying something like "all China is prosperous /whatnot"
because he isn't.