Turkey boycotts Chinese goods

[Xav]

Baku – APA. Vice Chairman of the Turkish Customers Union Mustafa Dinc said they would call on the population to boycott the Chinese goods in a protest against the mass killing of Uighur Turks in China. Dinc said killing of hundreds Uighurs by the Chinese security forces in Xinjiang-Uighur autonomous region of China was unacceptable, APA reports quoting Anatolian news agency. “China relying upon its increasing economic force carries out the mass killings in front of the world’s eyes. No one can expect from us, 70 million population of Turkey, to be silent to the crimes against humanity”.

Dinc said customer’s consciousness was strengthened in Turkey and previous campaign of boycotting the French, Israeli and Danish goods were successful. “Now we are going to protest China. Our customers were oppressed by the cheap, poor-quality and health damaging Chinese goods. We will react to the massacre in China’s Uighur region with the large boycotting campaign because today wars in the world are waged in the economic fields. We will see what China will do after reducing of its sales in Turkey. We will encourage our local sectors faced with conquest by the Chinese goods. The customers will contribute to the local economy by buying the local goods”.

Dinc said they would call on the Turkic republics and Muslim countries to join the boycotting campaign this week.
http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=104880

I understand the motive, but they may as well block every incoming cargo ships... (by this i mean virtually everything comes from China today and such a boycott is difficult to maintain more than a couple weeks)

[AZZenny]

Nice how concerned they were last year when it was Tibetans.

[Mordoror]

Nice how concerned they were last year when it was Tibetans.

lol i almost spilled by coffee on the screen here

[Marshall_Nord]

Nice how concerned they were last year when it was Tibetans.

There is a genetic and cultural link between the Turks and Uighurs.

[tea drinker]

There is a genetic and cultural link between the Turks and Uighurs.
Understood, but the point is that their reactions are "racist", or even based on religion, due to how they filtered their response when another people were being persecuted.

Having said that, they are entitled to react like that, if they are in posession of the facts, and they lead to some violent negative discrimination being uncovered.

[Solvent]

I personally think "turkey attack" is pretty scary.

[turan8]

Understood, but the point is that their reactions are "racist", or even based on religion, due to how they filtered their response when another people were being persecuted.

Having said that, they are entitled to react like that, if they are in posession of the facts, and they lead to some violent negative discrimination being uncovered.

No one calls Israelis racist when they helped ethiopian jews both passively (at first) then actively later on, yet they ignored the starving people in that country after that. Not that I blame them, Israel is primary Jewish country and their concerns are Jewish.

Turkey is a Turkish country first and foremost, with citizen of varying backgrounds, yet our dedication is to Turks. We provide example of how Turks can achieve a good society and at all times we have to be ready to defend our brothers like Uighur's, Azeris, and Uzbeks and our cousins like Bosnians. So this can never be called racist if you're trying to defend your people from aggression. That is ridiculous notion.

[korvinag]

boycotting chinese goods could be pretty hard these days:

whos got NON-chinese made underwear for example...?

[seraosha]

The link between Turks and Uighurs is Islam.

But I'm not seeing how boycotting Chinese made goods will effect any change beyond a "feels good man".

[Help I'm stuck!]

boycotting chinese goods could be pretty hard these days:

whos got NON-chinese made underwear for example...?

Me! lol, but seriously, good luck with having an entire country boycott that. I doubt that it will succeed.

[hskywalker]

No one calls Israelis racist when they helped ethiopian jews both passively (at first) then actively later on, yet they ignored the starving people in that country after that. Not that I blame them, Israel is primary Jewish country and their concerns are Jewish.

Turkey is a Turkish country first and foremost, with citizen of varying backgrounds, yet our dedication is to Turks. We provide example of how Turks can achieve a good society and at all times we have to be ready to defend our brothers like Uighur's, Azeris, and Uzbeks and our cousins like Bosnians. So this can never be called racist if you're trying to defend your people from aggression. That is ridiculous notion.
Don't try to compare turkey with israel. Jews at least can claim israel was formally jewish land. Turks instead wandered around euroasia and raided civilizations, even turkey itself was original greek land. Jews was persecuted in WWII thus get some sympathy, turks don't have such diplomatic advantage. Israel has powerful jewish diaspora and american support, turkey don't have such advantage.
Your "brothers" relates to a population and territory larger than turkey itself, forget that idea.

[Ordie]

The link between Turks and Uighurs is Islam

Both use Turkic based languages.

[4X4Driver]

The link between Turks and Uighurs is Islam.

But I'm not seeing how boycotting Chinese made goods will effect any change beyond a "feels good man".

They are related even before Islam existed..get some education, will ya!

We buy from them more than we sell..so it should have some positive effect for us as a result.

[Marshall_Nord]

The link between Turks and Uighurs is Islam.

But I'm not seeing how boycotting Chinese made goods will effect any change beyond a "feels good man".

Some Turkish tribes migrated West with the Mongols and settled in the conquered territories. Make a line from Western China to Turkey and you will find speakers of Turkic languages.

[Thugut]

Another call for boycott? If it works, then all this will do is just show foreign investors how susceptible the Turkish market is to political demagogy, and thus not the best place to put your money in.

[m.i.t]

Just another useless boycot call.. l dont think anyone will care ...

Because cheapest ones , Most of the PC materials and electronic goods are chinese made...

[The Balkan]

This is the same as Russia protesting the killing of some Orthodox Slavic people, I don't see what people don't understand. They are all Turkic peoples.

A simple visit to Wikipedia would've told you plenty.

The Turkic peoples are Eurasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia) peoples residing in northern, central and western Eurasia, and who speak languages belonging to the Turkic language family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples#cite_note-Turkic_people-4) They share, to varying degrees, certain cultural traits and historical backgrounds. The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethno-linguistic_group) of people including existing societies such as the Azerbaijani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_people), Kazakhs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_people), Tatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatar), Kyrgyz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz_people), Turkish people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people), Turkmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_people), Uyghur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people), Uzbeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbeks) and as well as past civilizations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkic_states_and_empires) such as the Xiongnu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu), Huns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns), Bulgars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars), Kumans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks), Avars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars), Seljuks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuks), Khazars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars), Ottomans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottomans), Mamluks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluks) and Timurids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timurid_Dynasty).

Many of the Turkic peoples have their homelands in Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia), where the Turkic peoples originated from, but since then Turkic languages have spread, through migrations and conquests, to other locations including present-day Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey). While the term Turkic' may refer to a member of any Turkic people, the term Turkish usually refers specifically to the people and language of Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey).



Countries and autonomous regions where a Turkic language has official status.




This is a List of Turkic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples) groups


Altays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_people) (Oirots)
Azerbaijanis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijanis)
Balkars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars) (along with Karachays, speakers of the Karachay-Balkar language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachay-Balkar_language))
Bashkirs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkirs)
Chulyms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chulyms)
Chuvashs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people)
Crimean Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars)
Dolgans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolgans)
Gagauz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz)
Iraqi Turkmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmen)
Karachays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachays) (along with Balkars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars), speakers of the Karachay-Balkar language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachay-Balkar_language))
Crimean Karaites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Karaites)
Karakalpaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakalpaks)
Karapapak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karapapak)
Kazakhs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhs)
Khakas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khakas)
Khazars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars)
Krymchaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krymchak) (speak a modified form of Crimean Tatar)
Kumyks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumyks)
Kyrgyz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyz)
Meskhetian Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks)
Nogais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogais)
Qashqai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qashqai)
Qizilbash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qizilbash) (descendants of the seven Turkmen tribes who build the Kizilbash army)
Salar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salar)
Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars)
Volga Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Tatars) (or Kazan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan) Tatars, or simply Tatars)
Nağaybäklär (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C4%9Fayb%C3%A4kl%C3%A4r)
Baltic Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Tatars)
Siberian Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Tatars)
Lipka Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatars)
Tofalars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofalar)
Turkmens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_people)
Turks of Turkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people) (see also Ottoman Turks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turks) or Seljuk Turk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuk_Turk))
Turkish Cypriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriots)
Tuvans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvans)
Uyghur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people)
Uzbeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbeks)
Yakuts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuts)
Yörüks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C3%B6r%C3%BCk)

[Aeroflot]

This might be just a move by Turkey to grow closer to the Turkic people since its bid for the joining the European peoples is shot to sh|te.

[Vityaz]

This is a List of Turkic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples) groups


Altays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_people) (Oirots)


I'm sorry, but if the Oirats are Turks, then I'm a hobbit.

[brandenvonbeneckendorff]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~

[Bolshoy]

Good move by Turkey.

Hopefully more to follow.

[Bolshoy]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~

Where is mods? :roll:

[asch]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~
oh that's waay too complex. i have a better solution: why don't you cut off your balls right now, i bet humanity gene pool will have instant raise of IQ.

[Bolshoy]

[/LIST]

I'm sorry, but if the Oirats are Turks, then I'm a hobbit.

Then you surely are.

Don't mistake Turkic for Turk.

[The Balkan]

[/LIST]

I'm sorry, but if the Oirats are Turks, then I'm a hobbit.
You really should read the post and understand what Turkic means first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_people

The Altay or Altai are an ethnic group of Turkic people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_people) living in the Siberian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_indigenous_peoples_of_Russia) Altai Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Republic) and Altai Krai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Krai) and surrounding areas of Tuva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva) and Mongolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia). For alternative ethnonyms see also Teleut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleut), Tele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tele), Telengit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telengit), Mountain Kalmuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mountain_Kalmuck&action=edit&redlink=1), White Kalmuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_Kalmuck&action=edit&redlink=1), Black Tatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Tatar&action=edit&redlink=1), Oirat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oirat)/Oirot.

[brandenvonbeneckendorff]

You really should read the post and understand what Turkic means first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_people

The Altay or Altai are an ethnic group of Turkic people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_people) living in the Siberian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_indigenous_peoples_of_Russia) Altai Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Republic) and Altai Krai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Krai) and surrounding areas of Tuva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuva) and Mongolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolia). For alternative ethnonyms see also Teleut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleut), Tele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tele), Telengit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telengit), Mountain Kalmuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mountain_Kalmuck&action=edit&redlink=1), White Kalmuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_Kalmuck&action=edit&redlink=1), Black Tatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Tatar&action=edit&redlink=1), Oirat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oirat)/Oirot.

it means trying to join EU while the rest of the countries are like: fuk off, u aint no europeans~

[Bolshoy]

Nicely said Balkan.

[The Balkan]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~


it means trying to join EU while the rest of the countries are like: fuk off, u aint no europeans~

Get it all out now since you'll probly be gone soon :slap:

[Bolshoy]

it means trying to join EU while the rest of the countries are like: fuk off, u aint no europeans~

Turkic peopls vary from region to region.

Turkey, Azerbaijan and all other "Western" Turkic nations are closer to Europe while East of Caspian Sea is Asiatic. But we are all Turkic.

[Bolshoy]

Huge protest for Uygur brothers in Turkey ^^.

[Shadowstorm]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~


it means trying to join EU while the rest of the countries are like: fuk off, u aint no europeans~
Yeah, Yeah, cool story bro. Now piss off prick.

[Vityaz]

Then you surely are.

Don't mistake Turkic for Turk.

I know that, I'm not clueless about Central Asia or the Turkic migrations. The rest of Balkan's list of Turkic peoples was perfectly acceptable. But Oirot/Kalmyks speak a recognized Mongolic language that is almost mutually intelligible with Khalkha Mongolian, not one of the Turkic family like Kazakh or Kyrgyz. I saw no other Mongol peoples on the list, so I'm wondering why Turks pick Oirot/Kalmyks as their own and not all Mongols like the Altai language theory would dictate.

[GoSka37]

the similarity of uighurs and turks are they are both primitive muslim who are originated from pigs~ those worthless trash

Kill Uighurs they way gazan were killed~

Or make a rule, every non-uighur is killed by an uighur, 100 uighurs need to be executed~

Javole, mein Fuerher!

[turan8]

Uighurs are probably the closest genetically to original Turks as you can get, even people in Turkey have interbred with Europeans and Arabs for generations while ex-Soviets nations like Azerbaijan with russians and persians. Uighurs have historically isolated themselves and community from other people, so they are what our ancestors probably looked like most.

[turan8]

Don't try to compare turkey with israel. Jews at least can claim israel was formally jewish land. Turks instead wandered around euroasia and raided civilizations, even turkey itself was original greek land. Jews was persecuted in WWII thus get some sympathy, turks don't have such diplomatic advantage. Israel has powerful jewish diaspora and american support, turkey don't have such advantage.
Your "brothers" relates to a population and territory larger than turkey itself, forget that idea.

It is formally Jewish land now because it's majority jewish and also back then, but don't forget the Jewish people got the land from Canaanites; whom they destroyed to the last man, woman, and child in the process of getting the lands.

I don't fault the Jewish people, that's history and that's how things were done back then. Plus right now no one can take take the land from them militarily. In Turkey we did same thing, we earned the land through shedding of our blood, sweat, and tears.

However, it's 2009, you can't just kill hundreds of innocent people based on their protest of you're treatment of them. Even in Turkey, if PKK hits us, we don't go to Kurdish villages and start killing everyone, we contain their protest, ensure it's peaceful, and let them tire themselves out.

[Fat Lazy American]

It is formally Jewish land now because it's majority jewish and also back then, but don't forget the Jewish people got the land from Canaanites; whom they destroyed to the last man, woman, and child in the process of getting the lands.

I don't fault the Jewish people, that's history and that's how things were done back then. Plus right now no one can take take the land from them militarily. In Turkey we did same thing, we earned the land through shedding of our blood, sweat, and tears.

However, it's 2009, you can't just kill hundreds of innocent people based on their protest of you're treatment of them. Even in Turkey, if PKK hits us, we don't go to Kurdish villages and start killing everyone, we contain their protest, ensure it's peaceful, and let them tire themselves out.

You do realize that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, right? The IDF could only dream of being as brutal as the Turkish Army.

And you do realize Israeli strikes have been a response to terror attacks, not to peaceful protests.

[deli_dumrul]

You do realize that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, right? The IDF could only dream of being as brutal as the Turkish Army.

Where? When? How?

[4X4Driver]

You do realize that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, right? The IDF could only dream of being as brutal as the Turkish Army.

And you do realize Israeli strikes have been a response to terror attacks, not to peaceful protests.

Ahh..the "kurd card"...pretty useful when you don't have anything serious to contribute..eh? :)

[AZZenny]

btw, the parallel to Tibet is greater than you may think. East Turkestan, the Uigur nation, was forcibly liberated by Mao in exactly the same way he did Tibet, in the same general time frame. The improvements forced down the ethnic local people's throats have been identical, including forced loss of language, culture, and massive influx of Han Chinese.

The Turks for many years would not allow Kurds to use their own Kurdish names, Kurdish arts or cultural rituals, dialects, etc. -- and they are Muslims too. The Turks, in this case, are being crass hypocrites.

[turan8]

You do realize that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, right? The IDF could only dream of being as brutal as the Turkish Army.

And you do realize Israeli strikes have been a response to terror attacks, not to peaceful protests.

Haha, so where is your info? Every Kurd killed by Turkey was taken up arms against our country and we were actively in war with PKK for more than 10 years now. PKK has 10x the arms and explosive of Palestinians. We have never killed hundreds of kurd civilians when they are just protesting.

[Fat Lazy American]

Ahh..the "kurd card"...pretty useful when you don't have anything serious to contribute..eh? :)

I didn't pull "the Kurd Card". It was already on offer.

If a Turk wants to argue their brutal crackdown has been a necessary response to terrorism, then that's a discussion I'm willing to have.

If a Turk claims the Kurdish insurgency has been dealt with peacefully, I'm going to have to call BS.

[4X4Driver]

The Turks for many years would not allow Kurds to use their own Kurdish names, Kurdish arts or cultural rituals, dialects, etc. -- and they are Muslims too. The Turks, in this case, are being crass hypocrites.

You can start comparing the two situations when the Uygurs kills 35.000 Han chinese..OK ;)

Idiot...

[deli_dumrul]

Let the fat guy speak...

How many did we kill?

[4X4Driver]

I didn't pull "the Kurd Card". It was already on offer.

If a Turk wants to argue their brutal crackdown has been a necessary response to terrorism, then that's a discussion I'm willing to have.

If a Turk claims the Kurdish insurgency has been dealt with peacefully, I'm going to have to call BS.

there are 10 mil. kurds in Turkey..PKK (kurdish terror org.) never had more then 5 k terrorists at once. So, Turks did not kill kurds...they killed their terrorists. Just like Israelis don't kill "palestenians" right??

[turan8]

btw, the parallel to Tibet is greater than you may think. East Turkestan, the Uigur nation, was forcibly liberated by Mao in exactly the same way he did Tibet, in the same general time frame. The improvements forced down the ethnic local people's throats have been identical, including forced loss of language, culture, and massive influx of Han Chinese.

The Turks for many years would not allow Kurds to use their own Kurdish names, Kurdish arts or cultural rituals, dialects, etc. -- and they are Muslims too. The Turks, in this case, are being crass hypocrites.

Turkey has never tried to force Kurds as Chinese have done to Uighurs. Turkey has said that national language is Turkish and instruction is in Turkish as well as government services. There may have been cultural restrictions but we never forced them from an area or committed population changing. In Contrary, prior to 1991 gulf war, we had much less Kurds in our country than we do now; they've actually displaced the Turks in many cities. They fled to Turkey but we accepted them to save them from Chemical weapons from Saddam.

[Fat Lazy American]

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/9914612.asp?gid=0&srid=0&oid=0&l=1

That has Turkey claiming it killed 32,000 Kurds, at least. No?

[deli_dumrul]

Well, thinking about it, we haven't heard a fn "one minute" from our mofo called the primer minister, did we?

[Fat Lazy American]

there are 10 mil. kurds in Turkey..PKK (kurdish terror org.) never had more then 5 k terrorists at once. So, Turks did not kill kurds...they killed their terrorists. Just like Israelis don't kill "palestenians" right??

Who the hell said Israel doesn't kill Palestinians?

[4X4Driver]

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/9914612.asp?gid=0&srid=0&oid=0&l=1

That has Turkey claiming it killed 32,000 Kurds, at least. No?

Nope..........

[Vityaz]

Uighurs are probably the closest genetically to original Turks as you can get, even people in Turkey have interbred with Europeans and Arabs for generations while ex-Soviets nations like Azerbaijan with russians and persians. Uighurs have historically isolated themselves and community from other people, so they are what our ancestors probably looked like most.

This is a very interesting point. You're probably correct, although the Uighurs would face fierce competition with Northeast Siberia's Sakha or Yakut peoples for most genetically unchanged Turks since the pre-migratory Göktürk period.

[turan8]

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/9914612.asp?gid=0&srid=0&oid=0&l=1

That has Turkey claiming it killed 32,000 Kurds, at least. No?
oops didn't read article lol...

[deli_dumrul]

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/9914612.asp?gid=0&srid=0&oid=0&l=1

That has Turkey claiming it killed 32,000 Kurds, at least. No?

Get a fn translator.



1984-2008 arası sivil kayıp 5 bin 560 kişi.


Between 1984-2008, civilian losses were 5560. The 32,000 figure is the number of dead terrorists. Of course, you can argue they were civilians with AKs since they were not wearing any uniforms, right?

At least, you were able to follow the wiki reference link. To be honest, not as bad as the other idiot, who thinks we killed 45000... At least, you have the decency to subtract our army and police personnel losses.

[4X4Driver]

Who the hell said Israel doesn't kill Palestinians?

Do they kill palestanians for being palestenian or palestanian terrorists?

I think you're pretty confused.

[turan8]

This is a very interesting point. You're probably correct, although the Uighurs would face fierce competition with Northeast Siberia's Sakha or Yakut peoples for most genetically unchanged Turks since the pre-migratory Göktürk period.

Haha, I love those Siberian Sakha and Yakut, they are some tough people. You are right, they also are very close society.

[Fat Lazy American]

No thats a combined number of Turks and actual Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin who are killed by PKK.

So that DOESN'T say:

32,000 terrorists killed (14,000 more wounded or captured)
5,560 civilian deaths.
6,482 Turkish Army deaths.
6,000 still active terrorists

And a decline of terrorist incidents since 1994?


If it doesn't, what does it say?

[Russianlynxy]

boycotting chinese goods could be pretty hard these days:

whos got NON-chinese made underwear for example...?

I think it would be for the greater good of this world if this trend of "everthing made in China" began to wane away. Sure, cheap labor is attractive for many multinational corporations out there, but there are people at home that need jobs.

plus, why feed the economy of a country which is growing, militarizing, and could potentially become an aggressive and expansive power.

[turan8]

no deli dumrul is correct, sorry

[dttk0009]

These boycotts aren't going to stop any sort of killing and they certainly aren't helpful during an economic downturn either. Just seems like a sort of silly/petty thing to do. Sure it's a violent protest with some casualties, but these things happen all the time, especially in Asia. Seems like a bit of an overreaction, if you ask me.

[deli_dumrul]

So that DOESN'T say:

32,000 terrorists killed (14,000 more wounded or captured)
5,560 civilian deaths.
6,482 Turkish Army deaths.
6,000 still active terrorists


I wouldn't have bothered replying if you had used the words "terrorists" instead of "kurds"... The connotation is pretty distinct in the latter. Not to mention your message was intended that way...

[acosta]

In the literature, the term Uyghur has a number of differing spellings, including Uigur, Uygur, and Uighur. The word means "Confederation of Nine Tribes" and is synonymous with the name Tokuz-Oguz. In Turkic inscriptions, the name Tokuz-Oguz is used for the subdued Uigurs, and the resisting are called Uigurs, pointing to semantical nuances between the two names.[4] Etymologically, Türkic "tokuz" = nine, and "gur" = tribe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people

what do we find? language means nothing, just as all american speak english, and indians speak english, singporeans speak english too. they are not brits.

interestingly Turks and today's uighurs seemed to have wars for many years, and the latter subdued and take turk religion and traditions.

interstingly, Turkish prime minister was invited to Urumuqi by beijing's courtercy just a month before.

And chinese government has been strongly support turkey's efforts in fighting Kurds independence in south east turkey.

[4X4Driver]

In the literature, the term Uyghur has a number of differing spellings, including Uigur, Uygur, and Uighur. The word means "Confederation of Nine Tribes" and is synonymous with the name Tokuz-Oguz. In Turkic inscriptions, the name Tokuz-Oguz is used for the subdued Uigurs, and the resisting are called Uigurs, pointing to semantical nuances between the two names.[4] Etymologically, Türkic "tokuz" = nine, and "gur" = tribe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people

what do we find? language means nothing, just as all american speak english, and indians speak english, singporeans speak english too. they are not brits.

interestingly Turks and today's uighurs seemed to have wars for many years, and the latter subdued and take turk religion and traditions.

interstingly, Turkish prime minister was invited to Urumuqi by beijing's courtercy just a month before.

And chinese government has been strongly support turkey's efforts in fighting Kurds independence in south east turkey.

You are an insult to man's intelligence :)

[Fat Lazy American]

I wouldn't have bothered replying if you had used the words "terrorists" instead of "kurds"... The connotation is pretty distinct in the latter. Not to mention your message was intended that way...

I think you have some problems with the English language. There's no connotation of "civilian" in stating the name of an ethnicity.

And a Kurd doesn't cease to be a Kurd when he joins a terrorist group, nor does a Palestinian cease to be a Palestinian when he joins a terrorist group, nor does a Turk cease to be a Turk when he joins the military.

Saying, in English, to an English speaker, that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds is a non-controversial statement of fact. We could gussy it up with our own biases, of course:

"The Turkish Army has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, the vast majority of which were terrorists."

"The Turkish Army has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, most of which it claims were terrorists."

"The Turkish Army has killed tens of thousands of Kurds in their brutal suppression of Kurdish culture."

I'd go for something like, "The Turkish Army has killed tens of thousands of Kurds in its war against the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party," personally.

[acosta]

well, look who's talking.

you start a st*pit thread, and take out your kurds issue, now save time defending yourself.


You are an insult to man's intelligence :)

[dttk0009]

This thread is wayyy off topic.

[deli_dumrul]

Oh ok... That explains our brutality...


You do realize that Turkey has killed tens of thousands of Kurds, right? The IDF could only dream of being as brutal as the Turkish Army.

And you do realize Israeli strikes have been a response to terror attacks, not to peaceful protests.

Btw, I still fail to see how? Care to explain?

[Panchito12]

...and half-way around the Earth, 1.7 billion Chinese communally shrugged their shoulders and said: What is Turkey?

[The Balkan]

...and half-way around the Earth, 1.7 billion Chinese communally shrugged their shoulders and said: What is Turkey?

Quality > Quantity

p-)

[asch]

...and half-way around the Earth, 1.7 billion Chinese communally shrugged their shoulders and said: What is Turkey?
that can produce earthquake, you know?

[AZZenny]

There may have been cultural restrictions


A master of understatement!



Turkey's Kurds still suffer from discrimination that includes serious restrictions on their language and any expression of Kurdish culture, as well as restrictions on non-violent political organizing. These restrictions are enforced at times by mass arrest.
... it is difficult to measure their exact numbers due to undercounting in Turkey's census, substantial assimilation within western Turkey, and Turkey's long standing policy of "Turkification", which denied the very existence of a distinct Kurdish ethnicity until 1991...
(Center for International Development and Conflict Management, U Maryland, 2003)

2007 The last time a Kurdish party won seats was in 1991... After the deputies spoke Kurdish in the chamber -- the government viewed using the language in official settings as a show of support for the rebels -- parliament revoked the immunity of seven of them. They were jailed, and some spent two years in prison. The last Kurdish party to serve in parliament was dissolved by the courts in 1994.

2009 Still the Kurdish letters (Q, X and W), and political speeches in Kurdish are forbidden, there is no state education in Kurdish and Kurdish villages and cities cannot have Kurdish names. Sometimes there still also problems with Kurdish names for children.
Ex-mayor Abdullah Demirbas said of the planned Kurdish-language TV channel, “For years, Kurdish was recorded in police records as an ‘unidentified language.’ They used to tell us that Kurds do not exist. Now they are going to tell us that there is no such thing as Kurds -- in Kurdish.”


Look, Turkey does what it thinks it needs to do to prevent terrorism, and at this point Syria, Iran, and Iraq are all worse for Kurds -- because they don't want into the EU, which flatly told Turkey to shape up.

I actually admire Turkey greatly for taking a stronger anti-torture stance by far than any other ME/Eastern European country, and doing more to reduce endemic casual police and state torture than almost anyone believed possible. And that was before the EU pressure, it was an internal, self-initiated decision.

Just please don't pretend Turkey hasn't been incredibly and very pointedly repressive and punitive against the Kurds -- like those other countries, and much like China towards the Uigurs and Tibetans (among other minorities) -- and still is socially very repressive.

[Xav]

Huge protest for Uygur brothers in Turkey ^^.



Wow that's a lot of people! Are you sure this was a protest against China?

edit: Why is their Turk flag painted blue and not red?

[InetWarrior]

Wow that's a lot of people! Are you sure this was a protest against China?

edit: Why is their Turk flag painted blue and not red?

Blue is Uighur colors (I think)...

I see some hypocrisy here from Turks. China can always respomnd that they give independence to Uighurs, after Turkey give independence to Kurds :D

[Ordie]

Wow that's a lot of people! Are you sure this was a protest against China?

edit: Why is their Turk flag painted blue and not red?


This is the Uighur Flag

[maoddd]

Quality > Quantity

p-)
and which one does turkey have?p-)

[hulaku]

Flags of East Turkestan/ Republic of Uighuristan

http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/cn-islam.html#about

[Aor]

Guys if you want to know what is the big fuss of the whole boycott thing with Turkey and the Uigurs you might want to check out Turanism and Pan-Turkism Both notions were embraced by the nationalist movements that shaped today's Turkey and are very much alive and supported by a large part of the political establishment and the population . Just check out the rallies . This support as the support offered the last decades to Ajerbaijan and the Chechens by Turkey have roots to both these concepts since the Turks view Turkic people as kindred nations, part of the same "great turkish family" that should be united under Turkey or put under Turkeys aegis.

Oh and Turan8 the conquest of Asia minor and the expulsion the of the native Greek populations there over the centuries, or any other conquest that has had the same results anywhere done to any nation in the world in the world, is hardly something noble or admirable and is certainly not legitimised by the fact that you had to fight to get it. Mercy goes to the victim , not the assailant.

[Bugaboo]

mr. indian, are you feeling lonely, did i say i don't talk to you anymore? what's your interest in this ethnic riots. mind you own business, handle your own seperatists groups, ULFA, NLFT, NDFB and NSCN.

not to mention muslim-hindu conflicts are so common in india through these years.

United Liberation Front of Asom


What's your problem, acosta? If some minority or nationality wants to separate, let them and there will be no riots. It is simple.

[hulaku]

Thx god for India that care so much for rights of the minorities in Kashmir and many other places. Its really funny that people from India and Turkey start giving Chinese lessons about rights of the minorities...

Pray can I ask which Utopia do you live in?



Saying that Im rather prouighur in this conflict. But support for uighurs from India and Turkey is not in uighurs interest...

Iam rather pro peace and against the killing of any innocents wether Hans or Uighurs unlike you.

[JCR]

I ask myself how seriously do present day turks take this "Turan" idea of uniting all turkic people?

Seems a bit 1930ish to me, even though Enver Pasha fought for it a lot earlier.
That aside, some Turkmens I know are pretty fed up with being patronized by many Turks.

[Lau]

No offence, I call you hippie because you starting talking about being "pro peace". Typical hippie talk

I almost choked on that one!

Turns out I'm a hippie. Didn't know loving peace made you one, but hey, hippie it is. :roll:

[turan8]

Guys if you want to know what is the big fuss of the whole boycott thing with Turkey and the Uigurs you might want to check out Turanism and Pan-Turkism Both notions were embraced by the nationalist movements that shaped today's Turkey and are very much alive and supported by a large part of the political establishment and the population . Just check out the rallies . This support as the support offered the last decades to Ajerbaijan and the Chechens by Turkey have roots to both these concepts since the Turks view Turkic people as kindred nations, part of the same "great turkish family" that should be united under Turkey or put under Turkeys aegis.

Oh and Turan8 the conquest of Asia minor and the expulsion the of the native Greek populations there over the centuries, or any other conquest that has had the same results anywhere done to any nation in the world in the world, is hardly something noble or admirable and is certainly not legitimised by the fact that you had to fight to get it. Mercy goes to the victim , not the assailant.

So you don't Support Israel or United States? They did same thing to have land they have today. Where did all those Native Americans go?

The fact is that's how things were done. BUT not anymore, that is my point.

[liyi5598]

No one calls Israelis racist when they helped ethiopian jews both passively (at first) then actively later on, yet they ignored the starving people in that country after that. Not that I blame them, Israel is primary Jewish country and their concerns are Jewish.

Turkey is a Turkish country first and foremost, with citizen of varying backgrounds, yet our dedication is to Turks. We provide example of how Turks can achieve a good society and at all times we have to be ready to defend our brothers like Uighur's, Azeris, and Uzbeks and our cousins like Bosnians. So this can never be called racist if you're trying to defend your people from aggression. That is ridiculous notion.

I only interested if Russia is in your hostile list?

Maybe it's time we Chinese to have a military union with Russia against Turk.

[Aor]

Israel has every right to claim the area it contests with the Arabs due to historical facts. North America wasn't populated as a whole by the native Americans that were mostly a nomadic people with no concept of land ownership.

The origin and motherland of the Turkic people is central Asia, not the Mediterranean. The appearance of the Turkish tribes in the area was through war, conquest and assimilation of indigenous nations . That is a historical fact.

To be on topic. Here is a link to get a taste why the whole boycott is taking place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/AzarbayeganPart1.html

[liyi5598]

What's your problem, acosta? If some minority or nationality wants to separate, let them and there will be no riots. It is simple.

If they only take small lands out, according their percentage of population, the same percentage of lands, why not?

They are to greedy to take too much lands, so ....

I wish too much they can go, I am tired of them, but the lands.

[Ordie]

The origin and motherland of the Turkic people is central Asia, not the Mediterranean. The appearance of the Turkish tribes in the area was through war, conquest and assimilation of indigenous nations . That is a historical fact.


Perhaps you are in favor of returing Asia Minor (Present day Turkey) back to the Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds.

Or back to the Hittites
Or Persians
Or Romans

[Aor]

Don't jump to conclusions. Take the statement as it is.

[turan8]

Israel has every right to claim the area it contests with the Arabs due to historical facts. North America wasn't populated as a whole by the native Americans that were mostly a nomadic people with no concept of land ownership.

The origin and motherland of the Turkic people is central Asia, not the Mediterranean. The appearance of the Turkish tribes in the area was through war, conquest and assimilation of indigenous nations . That is a historical fact.

To be on topic. Here is a link to get a taste why the whole boycott is taking place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/AzarbayeganPart1.html






So let me get this straight.

A) So only because Native Americans had little concept of western land ownership, means they didn't own the land? Do you realize how retarded that sounds? What about deliberate western attempts to kill Native Americans through biological warfare and through cleansing of whole areas of native americans? I'm not saying that's entirely wrong, however, because that's how things were done.

B) As far as Jewish ownership of Israel as historical fact, didn't you read earlier the facts? There were people inhabiting Israel BEFORE Jewish people came, the Canaanites. The Jewish people killed every man, woman, and child of Canaan to take control of the land, no Jewish person denies this. Again, I'm not saying it is wrong, because that's how things were done during that time.

C) Neither United States or Israel does these things currently (well maybe Israel does on extremely limited scale of small settlements) but China is still committing population change to entirely change the Xinjing to Han majority. People point to Kurds and say that Turkey is committing same thing, but fact is Kurdish population as relation to Turkish population is INCREASING, not decreasing. Dozens of cities in Turkey now are far majority Kurdish population through increasing Kurdish birth rates and Turkey's acceptance of hundreds of thousands of Kurdish refugees from other countries. For example my grandmother was from Kahramanmaras which was majority of Turkish people with Kurds maybe 30-40% now Kurds are majority there. Even places which historically had Kurdish majority like Diyarbakir and Batman were only 50-60%, now they are 80% of population. So what you're claiming isn't true, in fact, the opposite has happened.

[turan8]

Also, I want people to understand, I'm not claiming that Uighurs should get separate nation or something, only that they be treated fairly by China. Because they are a Turkish people, of course we are their biggest advocates.

[turan8]

SO your so called diaspora shouldn't be the first to advocate for your country?

[seraosha]

Want a thread to blow up?
Mention Turkey, China, and Nazi's.
Throw in Palin and Texas gun control and I think we've covered most our bases.

[turan8]

Of course they are, a people of same ethnic background have the duty to advocate for those people, that is the analog.

[AZZenny]

seraosha, don't forget we have Israel and Palestinians -- I think all we need is Obama's birth certificate, danish cartoons, and a tin-foil hat.

I didn't mean to sound pro-China on this -- like I say, they are taking the same brutal and culturally-annihilating approach to the Uigurs they have taken against Tibetans. The Chinese get away with more crap than anyone -- they took Tibet after Israel was formed, but no one demands they return to the 1950 borders. I doubt the UNHRC has ever even whispered the word 'China.'

I just think Turkey is hypocritically very selective in its outrage -- now that I hear about ethnic identity ideas of pan-Turkism, which do not include the non-Turkish Kurds, it makes more sense. But it's essentially racial, and that's a weird basis for a human rights boycott.

[mert_im64]

Im glad people will start to see the Pan-Turanic and Facist policy the Turks hold..... Similiar to the NAZI Ideology Germany held during WWII.

Actually the Only Subscribers to Pan-Turanism are Western Turkic Countries such as Turkey, Azerbaijan and Hungary. This is because they have identity issues. It is clear because real turkic peoples such as the Kazakhs, Uzbeks and so on do not share the same expansionist views as their Linguistic brethren to the West.
The Less Turkic they are, The more Nationalistic about their `Turkishness` they become.

Really Turks will only care if they can plant Turkic and Islamic Seed. They are in NATO but they dont help with ****. There are good Europeans dieng in Afghanistan but the Turks dont do ****. When did they help?? When they got to Bomb Christian Serbs and establish a new Islamic State of Kosovo.


Maybe you should just accept your Greek, Armenian and Arab Origins. I for one, have Turkic influenced Eyes but I know WHY i have those eyes. I dont call my self a Turk. I know however that Turks swept through Anatolia and added some of their genes. You should educate yourself as to the same.


As for Boycotting China?? ROFL!!!!!!!

Im glad to see the next greatest Super Power of the World become an Anti-Turanic Force.

Stupid Move by Turkey.....

In my opinion as an Armenian you have learnt that Turks are killed your grand grand fathers vs. and now you are the opposite of the Turks if whatever Turkey does.But the historical problems must solve by the historians and Armenia don't accept it because of your goverment fear the world learns the reality!!!But the problem is not it now!!!

The problem is about the Chinese goverment's hassles.And the worlds attitude against it!Most of the countries watching it without doing anything!!!Maybe because of they are muslims (they aren't extremist ) or they are Turks but one day it changes!!!

[seraosha]

seraosha, don't forget we have Israel and Palestinians -- I think all we need is Obama's birth certificate, danish cartoons, and a tin-foil hat.



Oh and Islam is taking over Europe. I love how all these chi-coms come out of the woodwork, most with a march 2009 join date...what happened then to make them all join than lurk until a CCP flareup?

The money must be good. Are they paid by the post, by the length of post, or by the word? I guess gold farming for WoW gets boring.

[magantosh]

Oh and Islam is taking over Europe. I love how all these chi-coms come out of the woodwork, most with a march 2009 join date...what happened then to make them all join than lurk until a CCP flareup?

The money must be good. Are they paid by the post, by the length of post, or by the word? I guess gold farming for WoW gets boring.

so you are paid by 5$? i know you are worth that for so many words.

anyway, who cares about boycotts?

[Ulytau]

Some people are speaking about my background or Turkic issues etc.I wonder same time this people callin us like nazis but second time can speak easly about the GENETICS or DNA issue.

First if some people interest to speak about the Anatolian Turks and Uighur Turks connection there was serious immigration to Ottoman Empire especially Fatih Sultan Mehmet ''Fatih the Conqueror'' times,also same time Fatih used Uighur dialect too if we speaking about the background..

For myself easy to understand

Azeri,Uighur and Turkmen dialect for other ones need to time for understandin the words.

Also i didnt know this TURANISM idea scaring many people cause in Turkiye we dont speak about this that much :| If this countries and people interest to rise their ties NOBODY can blame to them too.

If we turn the topic as i notice many Turkic people from all around the World have really different view about Turkiye.Many of them coming to Turkiye for study and millions of them come to Turkiye in 19. & 20. Centuries.

There was a documentary movie about the Pamir Kyrgyzs today they livin in Turkiye and they invited from the two countries,countries were the Turkiye and USA.

Still as i read some media became effective about this issues and fight between people so interesting after the Abdullah Guls visit cause same time Chinese Government invited him to Xinjang too and it was first for the both country,when we seein funny threats from the keyboard warriors, diplomacy was still working too Ankara did meetin with the Chinese Ambassador still their undersecretary did offical publication.

And last time about Chinese Goods last years of course not offical thing but people are seriously care about the goods which made in Turkiye.As i notice last two years some business ''which i know'' who importin from the China start bankruptcy.

[4X4Driver]

Guys if you want to know what is the big fuss of the whole boycott thing with Turkey and the Uigurs you might want to check out Turanism and Pan-Turkism Both notions were embraced by the nationalist movements that shaped today's Turkey and are very much alive and supported by a large part of the political establishment and the population . Just check out the rallies . This support as the support offered the last decades to Ajerbaijan and the Chechens by Turkey have roots to both these concepts since the Turks view Turkic people as kindred nations, part of the same "great turkish family" that should be united under Turkey or put under Turkeys aegis.

Oh and Turan8 the conquest of Asia minor and the expulsion the of the native Greek populations there over the centuries, or any other conquest that has had the same results anywhere done to any nation in the world in the world, is hardly something noble or admirable and is certainly not legitimised by the fact that you had to fight to get it. Mercy goes to the victim , not the assailant.

Hmm..interesting to hear this from a greek...

You'll never learn..will ya? :roll:



Origins of the Megale Idea

Greek nationalism has the "Megale Idea," the counterpart of Serbia's "Nacertanije." Literally translated as the "great idea" or "grand idea," the Megale Idea implies the goal of reestablishing a Greek state as a homeland for all the Greeks of the Mediterranean and Balkan world. Such a Greece would be territorially larger than the Greek state of today, but would be smaller than the Greek world of classical times, which extended west to the coast of Sicily, northeast into the Black Sea, and south to Egypt. Alexander the Great -- a figure of classical Greek history and legend exploited by competing modern-day politicians -- spread the influence of Hellenism even wider, into Africa and Asia. The Eastern half of the Roman Empire became solidly Greek as Byzantium, and sustained Greek culture in the Balkans and Asia Minor.

Broadly, we can say that nationalism in foreign relations began for Greece with the Revolution of 1821. Narrowly, we can say that the European War of 1914-1918 was only one episode in a series of wars for national territorial expansion, than began with the First Balkan War of 1912 and ended with the war against Kemal Ataturk's revived Turkish republic in 1923. And this decade-long contest was merely one link in a chain of events that is still being forged in places like Cyprus and in Greek relations with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

http://staff.lib.msu.edu/sowards/balkan/lect14.htm



Attempts at Expansion
The irredentism of the Megali Idea, which had remained a strong force in Greek society since independence, gained new momentum from the liberation of territory surrounding Greece and from changes in Great Power policy in the second half of the nineteenth century. The results were conflict with the Ottoman Empire in Crete and with the Slavs in Macedonia, along with territorial gains in Thessaly and Arta.


A second territorial issue of bitter and long-standing importance was the disposition of Macedonia, a territory in which every nationalist group in the Balkans claimed a vital interest. Beginning in the late nineteenth century, efforts to impose either Greek or Slavic culture in Macedonia led to terrorist violence and atrocities and a perpetually volatile situation. Perceiving Macedonia as an essential element of the Megali Idea, Greece held vehemently to its claims, first against the Ottoman Empire and then against other Balkan nations. Elements of this policy remain in force today.

http://greece.russiansabroad.com/country_page.aspx?page=54

[4X4Driver]

Perhaps you are in favor of returing Asia Minor (Present day Turkey) back to the Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds.

Or back to the Hittites
Or Persians
Or Romans

Hahaha..good one Ordie..but when you consider that they're the ones who "invented" mankind...dunno?!? :)

[ArmenianLegion]

So you don't Support Israel or United States? They did same thing to have land they have today. Where did all those Native Americans go?

The fact is that's how things were done. BUT not anymore, that is my point.

I understand this fully, and really it all comes down to whoever has the bigger guns. I understand this full-heartedly, and don't think I have some dillusion about Armenia displacing 70million Turks to regain its lost territories. I know this will never happend but It would be nice if you could atleast aknowledge the systematic demographic changes you made instead of saying we deserved to have our grandmothers killed.

Also, Pan-Turan means my Country doesn't get to exist anymore, so please try to see my view of it as well.



Of course they are, a people of same ethnic background have the duty to advocate for those people, that is the analog.

Turkey was founded first by turkic conquesters (Seljuk) and Mongols, then by Osman, then by Ataturk.

The Armenian Diaspora was created because of a different reason, 1915 right?




Also,
As an Armenian I know how blind and vile these types of Progroms are. Beleive me seeing those pictures of the armed civilians strikes a chord with me but Why Turkey cares about Uighyurs getting killed but its ok to kill my people?

[Aor]

@ the usual all wheel drive to lala land dude from the east.

Here we go!

Whatever keeps you warm at night pal.

You have a rally in your streets and parties in your parliament supporting Pan-Turkism, a far right concept based on legends and nationalist tendencies.

When was the last time thousands upon thousands filled the streets of Athens doing something similar?

Greece has NEVER questioned the Lausanne Treaty of 1923 and has NEVER prosecuted any aggressive action against its neighbours ever since. I has NEVER openly or covertly encouraged expansionism after the end of the Asia Minor Campaign as a state policy or otherwise.

You are posting your usual propaganda. Nothing new there.

Whether you believe it or not is of little concern to me or anyone that knows international politics and state affairs.

[4X4Driver]

@ the usual all wheel drive to lala land dude from the east.

Here we go!

Whatever keeps you warm at night pal.

You have a rally in your streets and parties in your parliament supporting Pan-Turkism, a far right concept based on legends and nationalist tendencies.

When was the last time thousands upon thousands filled the streets of Athens doing something similar?

Greece has NEVER questioned the Lausanne Treaty of 1923 and has NEVER prosecuted any aggressive action against its neighbours ever since. I has NEVER openly or covertly encouraged expansionism after the end of the Asia Minor Campaign as a state policy or otherwise.

You are posting your usual propaganda. Nothing new there.

Whether you believe it or not is of little concern to me or anyone that knows international politics and state affairs.

So quit whinning about your defeats in the past and get used to the reality on the ground...your Megale Idea was ended By Atatürk in 1923 ;)

[Aor]

Please choose your paranoia ok. You are contradicting yourself and frankly handling one aspect of your gibberish is hard enough . Now we have two?

Whining?

[turan8]

I understand this fully, and really it all comes down to whoever has the bigger guns. I understand this full-heartedly, and don't think I have some dillusion about Armenia displacing 70million Turks to regain its lost territories. I know this will never happend but It would be nice if you could atleast aknowledge the systematic demographic changes you made instead of saying we deserved to have our grandmothers killed.

Also, Pan-Turan means my Country doesn't get to exist anymore, so please try to see my view of it as well.




Turkey was founded first by turkic conquesters (Seljuk) and Mongols, then by Osman, then by Ataturk.

The Armenian Diaspora was created because of a different reason, 1915 right?




Also,
As an Armenian I know how blind and vile these types of Progroms are. Beleive me seeing those pictures of the armed civilians strikes a chord with me but Why Turkey cares about Uighyurs getting killed but its ok to kill my people?

I have no Illusions much of the land in Turkey was inhabited by Armenians, as a matter of fact my Great Grandfather took an Armenian woman as a wife to prevent her family from being killed so I have family that I am close to that is Armenian. HOWEVER, to say that Armenians never tried to rid the Turks in the area first is a lie. Armenians thought the slow crumbling of the Ottoman empire would be a good time to get rid of the Turkish populations in places like Kars, and then the Turks retaliated harshly against the Armenians, so much so that the population of cities like Van, only few Armenians exist. I recognize the Armenians lost lots of people from Turks and this I know from my Armenian family members.

It's worth noting however that one whole Turkish side of my family (dozens of people) was killed by Armenians too, so to not acknowledge Armenians part in the the tragedy would dishonor them as well.

[Excalibur]

very brave announcement on turkish part i would say. however, i wonder how efficient such boycott may be. i doubt turkey really can afford to go ahead with such boycott. china is not armenia.

[Karaahmetoglu]

A lot of BS in this thread.

First of all the whole country is not boycotting Chinese goods only a very few (they are going to have quite a difficult time).

Secondly, ArmenianLegion stop you "Identity Crisis causes nationalism" BS, out of all the other Turkic states Turkey has been independent (I was going to say the longest but I guess Turkey has always been independent), unlike the others. Turkey has been through a lot more wars then the other Turkic states. Everyone in Turkey knows they are not purely Turkic, heck no one group of Turkic peoples is the same ones from the Gokturks.

Thirdly people in Turkey do not know what Turanisim is (correction vast majority), with the Internet is has been spreading like wildfire but only on the internet. Ask Turks on the street what Turan is, they think you are talking about a football player.

[Vorian]

@ 4x4driver, keep Greece out of this thread please will ya?

[4X4Driver]

No problem...but you should tell that to your countryman who sees this kind of threads as an opportunity to whine about Turkish - Greek history...:roll:


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4253956&postcount=75

[thanamestolga]

Also,
As an Armenian I know how blind and vile these types of Progroms are. Beleive me seeing those pictures of the armed civilians strikes a chord with me but Why Turkey cares about Uighyurs getting killed but its ok to kill my people?

Turks never said its ok to kill Armenians, there's a reason for everything, there's a reason why so many Armenians died, and there's also a reason why so many Turks died, but nobody said any of that was right, imo both sides have blood on their hands.


Perhaps you are in favor of returing Asia Minor (Present day Turkey) back to the Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds.

Or back to the Hittites
Or Persians
Or Romans

Yeah, thats like taking Mongolian areas because we 'originated' there.
We fought for the land, we won, they should be good losers and accept it. If the Armenians, or the French, Brits, Greeks or Russians won during our Independence war you think there would be any Turks left in Anatolia? You probably couldnt find a dead Turk in Anatolia if they had lost during the Independence war...

Thread is way off-topic folks

[asch]

We fought for the land, we won, they should be good losers and accept it. If the Armenians, or the French, Brits, Greeks or Russians won during our Independence war you think there would be any Turks left in Anatolia? You probably couldnt find a dead Turk in Anatolia if they had lost during the Independence war...
Armenians fought over Artzakh, won it, so stop being a pussy supporting "good losers" and lift your stupid blockade.
sounds nice?

[Ordie]

It looks like Turkey is granting a visa to Rebiya Kadeer.

Well, at least it puts the pressure off of the USA.

[Sapporo]

Also, I want people to understand, I'm not claiming that Uighurs should get separate nation or something, only that they be treated fairly by China. Because they are a Turkish people, of course we are their biggest advocates.

China's minority groups are subjected to beneficial laws compared to the Hans. i.e. free health care, easier access to college education, one child policy not applicable to Uighurs, income tax free, leniency towards petty crime committed by Uighurs...

The Hans are actually the ones who are asking for fair treatment in those western regions where the minority is the dominant.

[AZZenny]

where the minority is the dominant.

[turan8]

China's minority groups are subjected to beneficial laws compared to the Hans. i.e. free health care, easier access to college education, one child policy not applicable to Uighurs, income tax free, leniency towards petty crime committed by Uighurs...

The Hans are actually the ones who are asking for fair treatment in those western regions where the minority is the dominant.

That's not true at all, you cite that they are free from those things yet they are not free from those at the provincial level (which Han authorities mark up drastically for Uighurs) which compensates for that since it is classified as an autonomous zone.

Uighurs are not subjected to one child policy yet their birthrates were never as high as Han birthrates during the China's population expansion. Also Hans are not subject to this rule as long as they live in the province. However, Hans ARE subsidized by the Chinese government to settle in Xinjiang province in order to dilute the political authority of the whatever is left of the Xinjiang Uighurs. We all know what is happening; 11+ Million Uighurs are not easily controlled by Chinese government so they are slowly trying to change the population into more Hans while also jerry-mandering the districts so that Han political authority is increased.

[thanamestolga]

Armenians fought over Artzakh, won it, so stop being a pussy supporting "good losers" and lift your stupid blockade.
sounds nice?

Well, i dont have an Interest in those lands.

Idc what you do with em, shove it up your arse if it makes you feel better, i dont want an inch of that area, i wouldnt know what to do with it. And who said i supported anybody? Azerbaijan is in fact a cousin of ours but this doesnt mean im gonna start flaming about it.

[Player]

@ 4x4driver, keep Greece out of this thread please will ya?

Is there even one political thread about Turkey which doesn't involve Greece in it? If yes, I would be very surprised. p-)

[turan8]

Is there even one political thread about Turkey which doesn't involve Greece in it? If yes, I would be very surprised. p-)

lol, yeah, it wasn't even a Turk who brought it in this time...and the thread is about Uighurs no less lol....

[Solvent]

Shoeni bes gebargin.
As shunshanortinere ge gaden hayeroon, irents hede che goswewir, mi hoknetsener zinked.
Translation:

OMG, that's too much

[Ulytau]

^^

Than this guys faced with the Jail TCK ''Turkish Law'' 216. (Insultin race,religion,sex or the community)

Didnt present as a hero like ASALA members or the Dro Kanayan.

[Bacilluspolymyxa]

The Chinese get away with more crap than anyone -- they took Tibet after Israel was formed, but no one demands they return to the 1950 borders. I doubt the UNHRC has ever even whispered the word 'China.'
There has been plenty said about China's occupation of Tibet in the UN and amongst the general public in the West. Saying that the Chinese get away with bloody murder and will continue to do so as they are now a big kick ass world power now.

[ArmenianLegion]

^^

Than this guys faced with the Jail TCK ''Turkish Law'' 216. (Insultin race,religion,sex or the community)

Didnt present as a hero like ASALA members or the Dro Kanayan.

Regardless... This is the mind-set of many people, morever, there is also another law about "insulting turkishness"... You even tried Orhan Pamuk on this and he is a Nobel Laureate. You should celebrate people like Orhan Pamuk, but instead endemic disease of nationalism and racism caused him to leave Turkiye, or he would of ended up dead like Hrant Dink.

Dro Kanayan was just a general, If being a general during a war is a crime then he is guilty. It is impressive that you know of him at all.

As for ASALA, all I can say is, I disagree with their methods. Those ambassadors they killed were powerless civil servents and innocent to say the v.least . If my apology means anything to you regarding ASALA that is all I can offer you.

[turan8]

Regardless... This is the mind-set of many people, morever, there is also another law about "insulting turkishness"... You even tried Orhan Pamuk on this and he is a Nobel Laureate. You should celebrate people like Orhan Pamuk, but instead endemic disease of nationalism and racism caused him to leave Turkiye, or he would of ended up dead like Hrant Dink.

Dro Kanayan was just a general, If being a general during a war is a crime then he is guilty. It is impressive that you know of him at all.

As for ASALA, all I can say is, I disagree with their methods. Those ambassadors they killed were powerless civil servents and innocent to say the v.least . If my apology means anything to you regarding ASALA that is all I can offer you.

HAha, Armenians always call Orhan Pamuk, our group were taking bets to see which one comes in order in this thread a)armenians, b)kurds, c)EU, or d)Orhan Pamuk to try to bash Turkey. You guys are so predictable lol......

Thanks for the ASALA apology though....

[RuneX2]

Me! lol, but seriously, good luck with having an entire country boycott that. I doubt that it will succeed.A boycott action doesn’t have to be 100% effective for it to be felt and have a meaningful economic impact. That said the boycott of Danish goods, which they seem to think was effective, could hardly be noticed as a blip. It probably hurt them much more than us.


Both use Turkic based languages.How close. Is there any mutual intelligible?

[turan8]

A boycott action doesn’t have to be 100% effective for it to be felt and have a meaningful economic impact. That said the boycott of Danish goods, which they seem to think was effective, could hardly be noticed as a blip. It probably hurt them much more than us.

How close. Is there any mutual intelligible?

Actually yes we can roughly converse with each other, not as good as Azeris or some ex soviets but we can understand each other.

[RuneX2]

Actually yes we can roughly converse with each other, not as good as Azeris or some ex soviets but we can understand each other.Interesting. I guess there must be a separation of 500+ years. Many of the Uighurs I’ve see on the news also have Asiatic facial features, which I don’t see in Turkish people. Weather because Turks are mixed with Europeans or Uighurs with Han-Chinese I know not.

[Aor]

lol, yeah, it wasn't even a Turk who brought it in this time...and the thread is about Uighurs no less lol....

Turan8

I was responding to something you wrote on this thread. I guess I should have P.M you since it was off topic adn since you have conveniently used it to derail the thread in order not ot comment that the whole Turkish reaction has base on nationalist traits and the concept of Turanism and pan-Turkism.

Let's get back on topic ok?

[turan8]

Turanism and Pan-Turkic nationalism isn't even taught in turkish schools beyond general history so your opinion on the matter isn't relevant that is why I ignored it. Turks advocating for other Turks isn't the result of some nationalistic indoctrination as you claim. What it is, is the cultural, language, and religious links that bind Turks and allow us to communicate and feel empathy for each other.

Similar to Greeks and Southern Cypriots have cultural ties advocate for each other, or Armenians and their "diaspora".

Some people on this forum in the past have pointed to my screen name as to I'm a Turanist or some other ridiculous thing. My name is Turan (common name in Turkey) and I was lazy and put a number behind it.




Interesting. I guess there must be a separation of 500+ years. Many of the Uighurs I’ve see on the news also have Asiatic facial features, which I don’t see in Turkish people. Weather because Turks are mixed with Europeans or Uighurs with Han-Chinese I know not.

You will see a lessening of those facial features the more west you go. Uighurs, Turkmens, Uzbeks, Azeris, Turks, etc. because the more west you go our culture has opened up and started to interact and have children with the people around us. So many Turks today, particularly those on west coast look like Europeans, southern Turks like Arabs, and central Turks (Kayseri/Maras) like my family having more asian features. Most Turks you see are from Instanbul so foreigners miss this diversity of features that we have.

[liyi5598]

Turks never said its ok to kill Armenians, there's a reason for everything, there's a reason why so many Armenians died, ....
We fought for the land, we won, they should be good losers and accept it. If the Armenians, or the French, Brits, Greeks or Russians won during our Independence war you think there would be any Turks left in Anatolia? You probably couldnt find a dead Turk in Anatolia if they had lost during the Independence war...
Thread is way off-topic folks

CCP govt. really need to hire you to persuade your Uighur brothers.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Interesting. I guess there must be a separation of 500+ years. Many of the Uighurs I’ve see on the news also have Asiatic facial features, which I don’t see in Turkish people. Weather because Turks are mixed with Europeans or Uighurs with Han-Chinese I know not.


There are people with Asiatic features in Turkey as well, but not in the numbers their are in Xinjaing. A lot of Turks in Turkey have been mixed by Neighbouring populations (I am part Georgian for example). The only thng I share with the other Turks in my facial feature is my eyes (got made fun of in Canada they thought I was Native or South American), other wise I got a big Georgian nose.

The Uighurs did not mix with Han-Chinese.

[RIPTIDE]

Perhaps you are in favor of returing Asia Minor (Present day Turkey) back to the Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds.

Or back to the Hittites
Or Persians
Or Romans
Back to the Seljuks. ;)

[Homer]

Nice how concerned they were last year when it was Tibetans.

First they shot them selves in the foot with Israel, now with China. I can see Erdogan accusing the US of genocide soon enough.
Funny though they don't seem too concerned with the genocidal blood on their own hands. Just more bluster for internal consumption really.