Are the CIA and its friends trying to break up China?

[Fage]

On 6 July 2009, we learn that about 140 people have been killed and more than 800 injured in violence in the city of Urumqi in China’s Xinjiang region. (China’s Xinjiang hit by violence (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8135491.stm))

Relations between the Han Chinese community and the minority Muslim Uyghurs are tense.

The Uyghurs, a Muslim minority from the autonomous region Xinjiang (Western China), are seeking the secession of their region “East Turkestan” from the People’s Republic of China.

In 2007, http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56104 (http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56104) had an article about China.

From this we learn:
1. German foreign policy makers have held talks with Chinese separatists.
The Munich based “World Uyghur Congress (WUC)” announced its president, US-based Rebiya Kadeer, was received by the German foreign ministry.

Berlin has been escalating its anti-Beijing secessionist offensive.

Germany – and intelligence circles – have been cultivating relations with Uyghur exiled politicians.

‘Current transatlantic activities promoting anti-Chinese separatism and weakening Beijing, are based on decades of German-US cooperation.’

2. Erkin Alptekin, a Uyghur living in exile, is one of the main players and he has CIA links.

Erkin Alptekin moved to Munich in 1971, where he became “Senior Policy Advisor” to the director of the US station “Radio Liberty”.
It was at that time that the CIA began to establish contacts to Uyghurs seeking secession.

“Some, like Erkin Alptekin, who have worked for the CIA’s Radio Liberty, are – in the meantime – on the forefront of the secessionist movement” writes analyst B. Raman, the former Indian government’s cabinet secretary.

3. In Munich, Alptekin founded the “East Turkestan Union in Europe” in 1991; and in April 2004 he founded the “World Uyghur Congress” and became its founding president.

‘From German territory, the congress is steering numerous Uyghur exile organizations around the world, of which some must be classified as being in the terrorist milieu, according to Chinese government information.’

4. The Munich based exile movement seeks to merge the Uyghur secessionist movement with the Tibetan and the Mongolian movements.
It seeks to break up China.

In 1985, former CIA advisor Alptekin participated in the foundation of the “Allied Committee of the Peoples of East Turkestan, Tibet and Inner Mongolia”.

5. Rebiya Kadeer is continuing Alptekin’s activities – and is also receiving German-US American support.

Her husband works for Radio Free Asia, the Asian counterpart to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, also said to have close links to the CIA.

Source:http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-cia-and-rioting-uyghurs-in-xinjiang.html

[Ordie]

Fage,

The guy that owns that website is a conspiracy theorist.
Not a credible source.

Instead of rationalizing, why not find ways to fix China.

[Bugaboo]

The Uygurs give the Chinese so much trouble. The Chinese should let them separate and spare themselves the trouble - no more riots.

[hulaku]

Fage,

The guy that owns that website is a conspiracy theorist.
Not a credible source.

Instead of rationalizing, why not find ways to fix China.

The problem is that whenever you point something out to a Chinese poster on this forum they start throwing sh*t at you.

Perfect example of

Your shirt is torn

So what your fly is open.

[dttk0009]

The Uygurs give the Chinese so much trouble. The Chinese should let them separate and spare themselves the trouble - no more riots.
I don't think that would solve much. What would happen to the Chinese of other ethnicity that end up stuck in that country? It's just going to create more conflict in the long run, and really isn't worth it when you can squash a riot over the course of a weekend.

[Bugaboo]

I know, the favorite Chinese past time, squashing demonstrations by tanks :)

[acosta]

CIA is breaking up EU too.

And CHINA is tearing US's backyard through CUBA and VENEZULA and BOLIVIA, and support BRAZIL's thrown as the regional chief.

this is a gaming world. politition don't like soaps, they like underworld.

and i guess CIA should cut their paycheck 'cause they are so kids in dealing with Latin america issue.

[clean]

The bigger question is...

Is the OSS undermining the Japanese occupation of the Philippines?

[hulaku]

CIA is breaking up EU too.




Any link for this or as usual you are talking out of your little a**

[Elbs]

CIA is breaking up EU too.

And CHINA is tearing US's backyard through CUBA and VENEZULA and BOLIVIA, and support BRAZIL's thrown as the regional chief.

this is a gaming world. politition don't like soaps, they like underworld.

and i guess CIA should cut their paycheck 'cause they are so kids in dealing with Latin america issue.

As always, the Chinese thinking they are the center of the world. Lay off the kool aid.

Sleep easy tonight. The boys at Langley are probably watching it on CNN the same way everyone else is.

Go ahead and enjoy Cuba and veneZUELA. As for Bolivia, enjoy the guinea pig. :)

[clean]

And what of Burma?

[Switek]

There are some folks who really need pill... ASAP!

:cantbeli:

[acosta]

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000666.html

well, i don't share you cute habbit, little indian a**, p-)


Any link for this or as usual you are talking out of your little a**

[King of the Grey]

wha???? guinea pigs???

i guess being media-literate is a MUST when living in this age. Its simply not enough to quote a news source, since the information can be completely biased and warped. If you can get to the bottom, and at least know the nature of your 'sources', then we can avoid quoting stuff from conspiracy theorists and getting a flame war going on.

exposure to a myriad of different news is a good way to build up this experience, and also sticking to the principle 'Do not believe everything that is quoted upon quotes'.

so acosta, lighten up :) BBC and Al Jezzera are the more credible non-Chinese sources, so have some faith in the media's ability to self-regulate

[Elbs]

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000666.html

well, i don't share you cute habbit, little indian a**, p-)

Man, the Chinese government sure isn't getting their money's worth off of your dumbsh*t posting. So please explain how the CIA is responsible for the economic decline caused by an ageing population.

Go home troll.

[JCR]

I only wish Germany were as powerful as the creators of German-Foreign-Policy.com assume.
German foreign policy sadly is mostly a joke, not an evil conspiracy....

[Eagle The Lightning]

Interesting story

[sig]

First we break up Yugoslavia and now China...
Who's next?

[hulaku]

Pakistan maybe?

[dttk0009]

Pakistan maybe?
Nah, too easy.
Hey, Texas...
:p

[junglejim]

The bigger question is...

Is the OSS undermining the Japanese occupation of the Philippines?


You have just placed my life in danger! Should I get out of this situation that you placed me alive, I have a an officers sword to show you.

To charles: burn destroy the typewriter, we've been compromised.

[liyi5598]

For any country, the biggest enemy is from it's self.

For USA, the biggest enemy is those guys who created this finance crisis.
For China, the biggest enemy is those privileged CCP memebers, who only interested in clambing up higher positon in order to screwing more and more moneys from the ordinarily Chineses, with no responsibility, no justice and no dignity.

For Uighurs, the biggest emeny is those Uighur cadres who co-operate with CCP, while at the same time operating the riots as a way of getting more profits from the CCP govt., just as those Tibetan cadres who did the same thing last year.

This minority policy in China is not new, the govt. buying the "loyalty" of minority cadres, and uses this minority cadres to govern their members.

Those minority cadres, who live as rich as Arab princes, with no pity to their poor memebers. Those poor minorityies are remembered only when the minority cadres want some controllable riots, to intense their negotiate advantages with CCP govt.

This policy is practical and effective for hundreds of years, the only difference is that no one is as bitched as CCP govt., not only paying money, but also the normal Han Chineses' dignity, security, and even the life.

But time changed, those poor Uighurs are living in cities, suddenly realized the poverty of themselves, and are brain washed by the evil Mus*in religion, a religion full of hatred and violance. And things are out of control from those minority cadres. A small scaled riot suddenly ran out of control to a massive ethnic slaughter. 156, almost all are killed by cutthing the throat. Sorry for these discrimination words, but I think in this world, only Muslin can kill human being in a way like they killing sheeps and goats. Those ill bitchs with nono of mercy of human beings. I know I am a little bit of hypocritic, we are more civilized human beings than those barbarians, we only kill people by guns.

Han Chineses are so scared and furious and it's an instinct to take revenges to those Uighurs.

We think Uighurs are a threaten of our security and life, but by who our security was sold? Who use or life to appeal those greed minority cadres? Who made the "两宽一少" policy, which is so evil that it encourages the minorities to destory themselves by crimes? This policy also applies to Korean Chineses, 纳西族 and many other minorities, why they don't take this advantage and still live much better than all of those minorities DO take this advantage ?

The Uighurs are victims of this policy also.

IT'S OUR CCP GOVT.

I am so sad that ethnic hatred is so deep. It was said that our CCP govt. is planing a huge scheme. I think their scheme finally got a big success. I for sure if there was democracy tomorrow, and our contry would be another Kosvo, or even worse, another Rwanda. We all kidnapped by ethnic hatred and we can't suvive without CCP's governing.

Everyone will be the loser of ethnic hatred.

I don't know how CIA can be so successful without the helps of CCP's stupid policies and it's huge schemes.

Don't blame others. It's night now, take a show and take sleep, the sun will rise tomorrow morning any way.

[hulaku]

But time changed, those poor Uighurs are living in cities, suddenly realized the poverty of themselves, and are brain washed by the evil Mus*in religion, a religion full of hatred and violance. And things are out of control from those minority cadres. A small scaled riot suddenly ran out of control to a massive ethnic slaughter. 156, almost all are killed by cutthing the throat. Sorry for these discrimination words, but I think in this world, only Muslin can kill human being in a way like they killing sheeps and goats. Those ill bitchs with nono of mercy of human beings. I know I am a little bit of hypocritic, we are more civilized human beings than those barbarians, we only kill people by guns.


Strong statements!

[Panchito12]

First we break up Yugoslavia and now China...
Who's next?


Lichtenstein!!!! Those money-grubbing, stamp-issuing bastards!

[Ordie]

For any country, the biggest enemy is from it's self.

For USA, the biggest enemy is those guys who created this finance crisis.
For China, the biggest enemy is those privileged CCP memebers, who only interested in clambing up higher positon in order to screwing more and more moneys from the ordinarily Chineses, with no responsibility, no justice and no dignity.

For Uighurs, the biggest emeny is those Uighur cadres who co-operate with CCP, while at the same time operating the riots as a way of getting more profits from the CCP govt., just as those Tibetan cadres who did the same thing last year.

This minority policy in China is not new, the govt. buying the "loyalty" of minority cadres, and uses this minority cadres to govern their members.

Those minority cadres, who live as rich as Arab princes, with no pity to their poor memebers. Those poor minorityies are remembered only when the minority cadres want some controllable riots, to intense their negotiate advantages with CCP govt.

This policy is practical and effective for hundreds of years, the only difference is that no one is as bitched as CCP govt., not only paying money, but also the normal Han Chineses' dignity, security, and even the life.

But time changed, those poor Uighurs are living in cities, suddenly realized the poverty of themselves, and are brain washed by the evil Mus*in religion, a religion full of hatred and violance. And things are out of control from those minority cadres. A small scaled riot suddenly ran out of control to a massive ethnic slaughter. 156, almost all are killed by cutthing the throat. Sorry for these discrimination words, but I think in this world, only Muslin can kill human being in a way like they killing sheeps and goats. Those ill bitchs with nono of mercy of human beings. I know I am a little bit of hypocritic, we are more civilized human beings than those barbarians, we only kill people by guns.

Han Chineses are so scared and furious and it's an instinct to take revenges to those Uighurs.

We think Uighurs are a threaten of our security and life, but by who our security was sold? Who use or life to appeal those greed minority cadres? Who made the "两宽一少" policy, which is so evil that it encourages the minorities to destory themselves by crimes? This policy also applies to Korean Chineses, 纳西族 and many other minorities, why they don't take this advantage and still live much better than all of those minorities DO take this advantage ?

The Uighurs are victims of this policy also.

IT'S OUR CCP GOVT.

I am so sad that ethnic hatred is so deep. It was said that our CCP govt. is planing a huge scheme. I think their scheme finally got a big success. I for sure if there was democracy tomorrow, and our contry would be another Kosvo, or even worse, another Rwanda. We all kidnapped by ethnic hatred and we can't suvive without CCP's governing.

Everyone will be the loser of ethnic hatred.

I don't know how CIA can be so successful without the helps of CCP's stupid policies and it's huge schemes.

Don't blame others. It's night now, take a show and take sleep, the sun will rise tomorrow morning any way.

Good post with candid analysis.

[Bugaboo]

For any country, the biggest enemy is from it's self.

For USA, the biggest enemy is those guys who created this finance crisis.
For China, the biggest enemy is those privileged CCP memebers, who only interested in clambing up higher positon in order to screwing more and more moneys from the ordinarily Chineses, with no responsibility, no justice and no dignity.

For Uighurs, the biggest emeny is those Uighur cadres who co-operate with CCP, while at the same time operating the riots as a way of getting more profits from the CCP govt., just as those Tibetan cadres who did the same thing last year.

This minority policy in China is not new, the govt. buying the "loyalty" of minority cadres, and uses this minority cadres to govern their members.

Those minority cadres, who live as rich as Arab princes, with no pity to their poor memebers. Those poor minorityies are remembered only when the minority cadres want some controllable riots, to intense their negotiate advantages with CCP govt.

This policy is practical and effective for hundreds of years, the only difference is that no one is as bitched as CCP govt., not only paying money, but also the normal Han Chineses' dignity, security, and even the life.

But time changed, those poor Uighurs are living in cities, suddenly realized the poverty of themselves, and are brain washed by the evil Mus*in religion, a religion full of hatred and violance. And things are out of control from those minority cadres. A small scaled riot suddenly ran out of control to a massive ethnic slaughter. 156, almost all are killed by cutthing the throat. Sorry for these discrimination words, but I think in this world, only Muslin can kill human being in a way like they killing sheeps and goats. Those ill bitchs with nono of mercy of human beings. I know I am a little bit of hypocritic, we are more civilized human beings than those barbarians, we only kill people by guns.

Han Chineses are so scared and furious and it's an instinct to take revenges to those Uighurs.

We think Uighurs are a threaten of our security and life, but by who our security was sold? Who use or life to appeal those greed minority cadres? Who made the "两宽一少" policy, which is so evil that it encourages the minorities to destory themselves by crimes? This policy also applies to Korean Chineses, 纳西族 and many other minorities, why they don't take this advantage and still live much better than all of those minorities DO take this advantage ?

The Uighurs are victims of this policy also.

IT'S OUR CCP GOVT.

I am so sad that ethnic hatred is so deep. It was said that our CCP govt. is planing a huge scheme. I think their scheme finally got a big success. I for sure if there was democracy tomorrow, and our contry would be another Kosvo, or even worse, another Rwanda. We all kidnapped by ethnic hatred and we can't suvive without CCP's governing.

Everyone will be the loser of ethnic hatred.

I don't know how CIA can be so successful without the helps of CCP's stupid policies and it's huge schemes.

Don't blame others. It's night now, take a show and take sleep, the sun will rise tomorrow morning any way.

From your post it seems you are sad about this. I can understand that, but you should maintain some positive attitude. Oppressive policy never brought sweet fruits, however you seem to be the exception among your countrymen to realize this.

[Arnie100]

Everything is the fault of the CIA and the vast right-wing conspiracy! rofl

[GemiPiggy]

I know, the favorite Chinese past time, squashing demonstrations by tanks :)


Of course, this kind of photos
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77887&stc=1&d=1247160937

always sell better than this kind.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77888&stc=1&d=1247160937

[AZZenny]

CIA has actually been training 18 Uigur agents for the last several years, somewhere down in Cuba, I heard tell.
:roll:

[Empulse]

All they have to do to break up China is making the US economy collapse. I, for one, would then rather live in the US than China.

[Solvent]

I have one question. Who are CIA's friends? I thought they work alone.

[GemiPiggy]

I have one question. Who are CIA's friends? I thought they work alone.

Rebiya, Dala, etc

[Solvent]

Rebiya, Dala, etc

I consider them tools, not friends

[DS73]

Man, the Chinese government sure isn't getting their money's worth off of your dumbsh*t posting. So please explain how the CIA is responsible for the economic decline caused by an ageing population.

common man, it's so obvious. CIA makes people age.

[Dexx]

Yeah, gotcha USA! It seems like Germany is catching up as the Great Satan! Be careful, we are a close second right now. One less riot created by you and we are up and away. :D

[Henry's Fork]

Man o man has China dug itself into a hole. Trying to blame outsiders is extra LuLz as you are only digging yourselves deeper. rofl

I guess China doesnt care what the rest of the entire world thinks. As long as all of China is under this false illusion of being the poor helpless saint.

Dont know if should laff or cry at this?

[WKD]

Man this is such bull****, everyone knows that the jews did it.

[liyi5598]

From your post it seems you are sad about this. I can understand that, but you should maintain some positive attitude. Oppressive policy never brought sweet fruits, however you seem to be the exception among your countrymen to realize this.

You don't understand the truth, the minority policy in China is NOT Oppressive, it's an opposite of oppressive policy. It's a huge scheme of crime encourage policy.

Those troubled minorities, like Tibetan, Uighur, even some Muslin Chinese, I think they are encouraged to live on crimes, thiefs, drug saler, robbery, rape, or even when murdered someone, they will be released from punishment.

Han Chinese are the victem of this policy, many of us are the victems of these minority criminals, like most of the 156 lifes killed on July 5 night.

And those troubled minorities are also the victoms. Han Chinese and many successful minorities consider all of those troubled minorities as criminals. It's not a lie that Uighurs have trouble with all the other 16 nations in Xingjiang.

As a result, no honest Uighur can find a normal job in China, honest Uighurs are living poor and unsuccussful, honest Uighurs are losers in China.

Those Uighurs criminals are very very happy, they can earn a lot of money, they are not punished by their crimes. And unnoticed, the whole nation's morality of dignity and justice were destoryed.

You just can't image how evil this huge scheme is. It's difficult for most people to understand.

By the way, I am just in suspicion that maybe US also has a similar policy to it's African members and Australia to it's aborigines. It's not unusual that some minorities in other countries are also being connected with crimes.

[sinophile]

You don't understand the truth, the minority policy in China is NOT Oppressive, it's an opposite of oppressive policy. It's a huge scheme of crime encourage policy.

Those troubled minorities, like Tibetan, Uighur, even some Muslin Chinese, I think they are encouraged to live on crimes, thiefs, drug saler, robbery, rape, or even when murdered someone, they will be released from punishment.

Han Chinese are the victem of this policy, many of us are the victems of these minority criminals, like most of the 156 lifes killed on July 5 night.

And those troubled minorities are also the victoms. Han Chinese and many successful minorities consider all of those troubled minorities as criminals. It's not a lie that Uighurs have trouble with all the other 16 nations in Xingjiang.

As a result, no honest Uighur can find a normal job in China, honest Uighurs are living poor and unsuccussful, honest Uighurs are losers in China.

Those Uighurs criminals are very very happy, they can earn a lot of money, they are not punished by their crimes. And unnoticed, the whole nation's morality of dignity and justice were destoryed.

You just can't image how evil this huge scheme is. It's difficult for most people to understand.

By the way, I am just in suspicion that maybe US also has a similar policy to it's African members and Australia to it's aborigines. It's not unusual that some minorities in other countries are also being connected with crimes.

I just face slapped myself so hard reading this I have a concussion.

[sinophile]

By David Dayton in "Silk Road International"
When I was teaching at a university in Chongqing in '95 I had a student say something to me that I will never forget, "at least, well, I haven't forgotten it yet." She told me that when she was young she had the bad habit of telling the truth. http://www.smartchinasourcing.com/images/stories/David_Dayton_02.jpg
After getting both herself and her family in trouble a number of times her father sternly taught her this lesson, "Never tell the truth to anyone but your parents."
This was one of my first major lessons about how different China really is. There is no "moral code" no "generally accepted morality." Not even an overly trite "Confucian values" system in place here, really. I believe that one of the lasting legacies of the current government will be that they amoralized an entire country. I'm not talking about the vilification of organized religion I'm talking about the creation of a system that punishes honesty.


You can read the rest of the post here (http://www.smartchinasourcing.com/travel/quarantined-aka-never-tell-the-truth-to-anyone-but-your-pare.html). Then cap it off with this (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160714&page=3).


Chi Tong Kuok, a citizen of the PRC was indicted (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/07/kuok_indictment.pdf) earlier this week for violations of the Arms Export Control Act in connection with an attempted export of a General Dynamics KG-175 Taclane Encryptor (http://www.gdc4s.com/content/detail.cfm?item=f3f0ef4c-cced-46b2-937e-69c42fd1fe3b) to Kuok at his address in Macau. Kuok became the subject of an undercover investigation in 2006 after he sought to buy from a defense industry employee a device used for encrypted satellite communications between military aircraft and satellites. That defense industry contact referred Kuok to an undercover agent, who ultimately negotiated with Kuok to sell him the KG-175 Taclane Encryptor for export.

[josh21x]

You don't understand the truth, the minority policy in China is NOT Oppressive, it's an opposite of oppressive policy. It's a huge scheme of crime encourage policy.

Those troubled minorities, like Tibetan, Uighur, even some Muslin Chinese, I think they are encouraged to live on crimes, thiefs, drug saler, robbery, rape, or even when murdered someone, they will be released from punishment.

Han Chinese are the victem of this policy, many of us are the victems of these minority criminals, like most of the 156 lifes killed on July 5 night.

And those troubled minorities are also the victoms. Han Chinese and many successful minorities consider all of those troubled minorities as criminals. It's not a lie that Uighurs have trouble with all the other 16 nations in Xingjiang.

As a result, no honest Uighur can find a normal job in China, honest Uighurs are living poor and unsuccussful, honest Uighurs are losers in China.

Those Uighurs criminals are very very happy, they can earn a lot of money, they are not punished by their crimes. And unnoticed, the whole nation's morality of dignity and justice were destoryed.

You just can't image how evil this huge scheme is. It's difficult for most people to understand.

By the way, I am just in suspicion that maybe US also has a similar policy to it's African members and Australia to it's aborigines. It's not unusual that some minorities in other countries are also being connected with crimes.

Ah, the Hitler in you!

[SOG]

The bigger question is...

Is the OSS undermining the Japanese occupation of the Philippines?

My sources say yes.


And what of Burma?

Rambo has that **** cornered.


I have one question. Who are CIA's friends? I thought they work alone.

Jesus is friends with everybody.

[Panchito12]

Man this is such bull****, everyone knows that the jews did it.

They own the CIA too????

[WKD]

They own the CIA too????

They control it through the Masons, duh.

[GemiPiggy]

No, It's not true. Yugoslavians were just trying, by doing experiment using their country, to prove the theory:

Material is infinitely dividable.

And they are still doing it.


First we break up Yugoslavia and now China...
Who's next?

[turan8]

China is sounding like Iran and increasing internal Han support by making legitimate struggle seem as a product of foreign intervention.

[klong]

Of course the USA et al would prefer a weak or fractured China. It's the only way they can extend their military and economic dominance. However, the Peoples Republic of China is more than slightly stronger than they would like. The anti Chinese factions in the west, have no realistic chance to succeed.

[Laworkerbee]

Of course the USA et al would prefer a weak or fractured China. It's the only way they can extend their military and economic dominance. However, the Peoples Republic of China is more than slightly stronger than they would like. The anti Chinese factions in the west, have no realistic chance to succeed.

No dummy,

Nobody wants to see a failing business partner nor a fractured country armed with nuclear weapons.

You Chinese really need to mature some, one would think this wouldn't be a problem after 5,000 years of Chinese civilization.

[klong]

No dummy,

Nobody wants to see a failing business partner nor a fractured country armed with nuclear weapons.

You Chinese really need to mature some, one would think this wouldn't be a problem after 5,000 years of Chinese civilization.


Er, er, don't know what to say. Except maybe, that you should read some books ? If China was split into competing smaller states, the business opportunities and political opportunities for the USA would be astronomically greater than they are today. Too bad for the USA, though. It will never happen.

[Laworkerbee]

Er, er, don't know what to say. Except maybe, that you should read some books ? If China was split into competing smaller states, the business opportunities and political opportunities for the USA would be astronomically greater than they are today. Too bad for the USA, though. It will never happen.

You sound like a child, I can only hope the majority of Chinese are sharper than you.

[AZZenny]

You Chinese really need to mature some, one would think this wouldn't be a problem after 5,000 years of Chinese civilization.


I was in China for a month in 1985, and at the time came away feeling that the Chinese were a surprisingly belligerent, defensive, and self-righteous people, on the whole. (I had studied Mandarin Chinese with a minor in Asian literature in college, so I went in with a foolishly positive expectation, no doubt.)

Of course, I met some really delightful people as well, but I'm referring to just the general 'Chinese self-image' that was being projected. I assumed it was a matter of still recovering from the hard-ass Red Guard era, general poverty, 'catching up' with the rest of the world, etc.

It seems nearly all the Chinese posters here are keeping up that old-style approach.

[Laworkerbee]

I know right? I meet plenty of Chinese who are quite pleasant but I figure these are upper class types who travel here for business and such.

The peasant class is much different, much more hardened and raised to be nationalistic to the point of laughter. The Chinese government should restrict internet access for these peasant types as they give China and the Chinese people in general nothing but a black eye.

[BearInBunnySuit]

I, personally, am tired of the long list of countries blaming their internal problems on the U.S. and the CIA and seeing sinister plots where there are none.

Get it through your thick heads and thin skins: America has too many problems of its own to meddle in other countries' affairs to the extent you conspiracy theorists like to believe.

And do yourselves a favor and try to understand where the problem really lies instead of finding an outside scapegoat to divert attention from an issue that may in the end fester to a point of implosion.

[klong]

You sound like a child, I can only hope the majority of Chinese are sharper than you.


I am not the child. Can't comment on the facts facts I have given you ? Why not ?

[Laworkerbee]

I am not the child. Can't comment on the facts facts I have given you ? Why not ?

You do not have facts, only opinion.

I would like to be friends with you, to share and learn from you. You insist we are aggressive and want to break up China, I'll repeat to you that we believe this is insanity in our view.

[Solvent]

You do not have facts, only opinion.

I would like to be friends with you, to share and learn from you. You insist we are aggressive and want to break up China, I'll repeat to you that we believe this is insanity in our view.

He just hasn't get used to the atmosphere here. After all, the style here is very different with the ones in China. If he can stay long without being banned, I think he will become much better.

[Laworkerbee]

He just hasn't get used to the atmosphere here. After all, the style here is very different with the ones in China. If he can stay long without being banned, I think he will become much better.

I think so too.

[California Joe]

He just hasn't get used to the atmosphere here. After all, the style here is very different with the ones in China. If he can stay long without being banned, I think he will become much better.

Magic 8 ball says: Outlook Not So Good...

[WKD]

I was in China for a month in 1985, and at the time came away feeling that the Chinese were a surprisingly belligerent, defensive, and self-righteous people, on the whole. (I had studied Mandarin Chinese with a minor in Asian literature in college, so I went in with a foolishly positive expectation, no doubt.)

Of course, I met some really delightful people as well, but I'm referring to just the general 'Chinese self-image' that was being projected. I assumed it was a matter of still recovering from the hard-ass Red Guard era, general poverty, 'catching up' with the rest of the world, etc.

It seems nearly all the Chinese posters here are keeping up that old-style approach.

No, that pretty much discribes my experience with Chinese students as well, 10, 20 years later in my own country. If they're friendly and reasonable then they're generally from Malaysia.

[dttk0009]

No, that pretty much discribes my experience with Chinese students as well, 10, 20 years later in my own country. If they're friendly and reasonable then they're generally from Malaysia.
That's strange. I haven't had such experiences with Chinese people at all. Maybe you guys don't fully understand their culture/way of thinking and misinterpret some things? Maybe they were offended about something you'd said? Not throwing accusations around, but these claims seem like very broad generalizations.

[AZZenny]

I don't think I misinterpreted a thing. (But I already said it was a generalization.)

[WKD]

That's strange. I haven't had such experiences with Chinese people at all. Maybe you guys don't fully understand their culture/way of thinking and misinterpret some things? Maybe they were offended about something you'd said? Not throwing accusations around, but these claims seem like very broad generalizations.

They are broad generalisations, because I've encountered few exceptions.

Can't say I did, and as I said I never had problems with Malaysian chinese. Pretty boys the lot of them, but friendly pretty boys. Guys that I know from Taiwan seem to be better as well. Here's the trick though, why am I misunderstanding the culture here, and not them? Especially since it's my country.

You can tell mainlanders fairly easily, they're the guys talking about taking over the world in ten years time and blaming all their problems on the CIA.