Muslim states 'silent' on Uighurs: Rebiya

[hulaku]

"Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and a number of other Muslim countries as well as the central Asian states like Kazakhstan Kurdistan and Uzbekistan - they all deported Uighurs who had fled Chinese persecution for peacefully opposing Chinese rule, for writing something, for speaking something," she said.

Link here

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097725217198672.html

[Elbs]

I'm guessing this is just a case of money talking louder than religion. In the case of Pakistan, I can't see Pakistan refusing to hand over a group of fellow muslims and risking their very beneficial relationship with China.

[hulaku]

I'm guessing this is just a case of money talking louder than religion. In the case of Pakistan, I can't see Pakistan refusing to hand over a group of fellow muslims and risking their very beneficial relationship with China.

Quite right

Here is a report from 2007 when a Uighur was deported from Pakistan and was the executed by the Chinese Government.


An ethnic Uighur Muslim activist has been executed by China for "attempting to split the motherland", the US-backed Radio Free Asia reports.
Before his trial, Semed had been deported from Pakistan where he had fled after serving two jail terms for alleged involvement in a violent uprising in 1990.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6345879.stm

[Panchito12]

Religion of Peace? Religion of BIZZNAZZ!!

[Ordie]

Money talks, BS walks.

[pg_ord]

Looks like some muslims deserve less brotherly love than others :roll: ....
may be Uighurs are not considered part of Ummah .... you know having a female public leader and all. :|

[matthew.manhorn]

ha, like the Muslim governments didn't know about the CCP's persecutions against Muslims before doing business with China. Money talks.

[4X4Driver]

Looks like some muslims deserve less brotherly love than others :roll: ....
may be Uighurs are not considered part of Ummah .... you know having a female public leader and all. :|

You do have a very good point there. I believe that's the reason.

[Excalibur]

kinda double standard of islamic world.
i want to see them passing anti-chinese resolutions in UN and requiring international investigation of chinese crimes against humanity.

[Lazy Lob]

Looks like some muslims deserve less brotherly love than others :roll: ....
may be Uighurs are not considered part of Ummah .... you know having a female public leader and all. :|

Does that mean Bangladesh is not part of the ummah as well?

[RIPTIDE]

Does that mean Bangladesh is not part of the ummah as well?
Malaysia or Indonesia aswell? p-)

[Lazy Lob]

Malaysia or Indonesia aswell? p-)

Malaysia?


I was going on current leaders coz otherwise you could also say that the stroppiest lot did elect Benazir Bhutto.

[VAMAN]

Lets separate Uyghur issue with religion. It has more to do with occupation of Xinjiang region by the Chinese, and dominance of Han population over native Uyghur people.

[Mastermind]

I have a different outlook on this. yes, money talks....but, Muslims have been doing business with the west for decades and still don't hesitate to cut off westerner's heads, explode IEDs under them, blast their public buses and restaurants and resorts with little regard to nationalities. I suspect the Muslim nations kowtow to the Chinese for a rather different reason.

There is but one thing the Muslim nations respect...one thing only from outside their religion...they respect power and willingness to use that power against them. Notice, they don't jack around very much anymore with Israel on a large scale...Israel will kick their butts. They don't mess around with China. Or Russia. Both nations have clearly demonstrated what they do when they get a belly full of Muslim antics. India is even getting a reputation for not putting up with much Islamic nonsense.

The western powers, though...de-nutted by the petroleum razor, have shown nothing but weakness in the face of Islam...so they get messed with.

Now, the west is losing the other nut to the cash the Muslims and Chinese have....pretty soon, there will be a tug of war for the last dregs of self respect the westerners have. I believe the Chinese will win that one.

[pg_ord]

Outside of Kashmir and Palestine I doubt ummah knows who is muslim and who is not. :roll:

[ggk]

no body kowtowing anyone guys...those deported were probably terrorist.

and what is this 'Muslims have been doing business with the west for decades and still don't hesitate to cut off westerner's heads, explode IEDs under them, blast their public buses and restaurants and resorts with little regard to nationalities'.

you generalising all muslims as one big terrorist group?

learn world political science and kick that stupid islamic world domination theory out of your arse.

[TheMiddlePath]

Lets separate Uyghur issue with religion. It has more to do with occupation of Xinjiang region by the Chinese, and dominance of Han population over native Uyghur people.


Urumqi is a city build by Chinese during the Tang dynasty.

[Heinemann]

The Muslims know that China's a nation that doesnt beat around the bush when it comes to civil riots within its borders. If this happened in America they would use its laws to protest and go ape cazy, but in China its a different situation.

[Ordie]

Urumqi is a city build by Chinese during the Tang dynasty.

The Tang Dynasty was known for its openess towards outside religions, cultures, education and trade. It was considered the golden age of China.

[pg_ord]

The Muslims know that China's a nation that doesnt beat around the bush when it comes to civil riots within its borders. If this happened in America they would use its laws to protest and go ape cazy, but in China its a different situation.
Sir I guess most muslims don't know that Uighurs are even muslims rofl.... yes I agree with your statement though .... if this was any other democratic country the entire ummah would have blamed the evil kafirs for targetting muslims and commiting genocide..... OIC would have a field day in issuing condemnation after condemnation. :roll:

[turan8]

I think the problem is lies with one primary thing and that is the fractured nature of Muslim political authority.

Essentially they are 5 different ones and they rarely advocate for other Muslim groups.

1)Arabs
2)African
3)Turks
4)Pakistanis
5)Persian

That is to say that for example, Arabs rarely advocate for African Muslims beyond building new mosques, or Turks rarely support Palestinian Arabs beyond passive support. So the fractured nature of Muslim advocacy prevent large numbers of Muslims advocating for one particular cause.

Uighurs are Turks so we have tried to advocate for them the best we can.

[Heinemann]

I can understand Arab, African, Turkish and Persian groups but Pakistani? I cant see how they'd have much authority let alone have any say in most Islamic matters.

[Player]

Religion of Peace? Religion of BIZZNAZZ!!

What has this got to do with religion? It's not like Christian countries never place politics above religion? :roll:

[pg_ord]

I can understand Arab, African, Turkish and Persian groups but Pakistani? I cant see how they'd have much authority let alone have any say in most Islamic matters.
Sir there are 170 million of them ... not to mention a huge diaspora in Europe (Britain mostly)... I am pretty sure you know how it has affected the culture in Britain .... besides they do consider everything islamic in South Asia to be owned by them.... :-(

[turan8]

I can understand Arab, African, Turkish and Persian groups but Pakistani? I cant see how they'd have much authority let alone have any say in most Islamic matters.

I believe their advocacy can be felt in places like Afghanistan where they help the Pashtuns, Baluchs, and Nuristanis. Also in India in the Indian Punjab Provence.

[pg_ord]

I believe their advocacy can be felt in places like Afghanistan where they help the Pashtuns, Baluchs, and Nuristanis. Also in India in the Indian Punjab Provence.
Actually Indian Punjab is mostly Sikh (about 60%) rest Hindu (about 35%).... hardly any of them Muslim (1-2%) ... so nope very little in common .... in fact Sikhs and Muslims have historically never gotten along....sworn enemies

[turan8]

Actually Indian Punjab is mostly Sikh (about 60%) rest Hindu (about 35%).... hardly any of them Muslim (1-2%) ... so nope very little in common .... in fact Sikhs and Muslims have historically never gotten along....sworn enemies

Sorry for misunderstanding, I was making the two provinces analogous, I meant more as Pakistan's influence on Indias Muslims.

[pg_ord]

Sorry for misunderstanding, I was making the two provinces analogous, I meant more as Pakistan's influence on Indias Muslims.
Yup that is true to an extent .... As I said before ...P'stanis like to believe they own the South Asian Islam..... but P'stanis have a lot to learn from Indian muslims IMHO.:-(

[turan8]

indian muslims i've met have a very moderate behavior. You're right.

[hskywalker]

In america, this riot will not happen at all. The murdering uighurs will be shot on first sight by the trigger happy american police. This riot happens in China because China's stupid minority policy and strict control of police using gunfire.

[turan8]

In america, this riot will not happen at all. The murdering uighurs will be shot on first sight by the trigger happy american police. This riot happens in China because China's stupid minority policy and strict control of police using gunfire.

Maybe if it was 1800's during Nat Turners slave rebellion, but my experience is that Americans are very lenient towards minorities today.

As for China, I'd hardly call hundreds of Uighur dead from Chinese police and Han rioters as "strict control"...

[hskywalker]

As for China, I'd hardly call hundreds of Uighur dead from Chinese police and Han rioters as "strict control"...
More than one thousand are arrested, if convicted, I don't mind several hundred executed. But where is your source that hundreds Uighurs already dead?

[turan8]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1047442/Uighur-death-toll-%27around-800%27

Of course whenever China releases it's statistics it releases them as "Chinese Dead" so people assume Han are the casualties.

Also, it's ridiculous that you support death penalty for rioters; however it is typical.

[thanamestolga]

More than one thousand are arrested, if convicted, I don't mind several hundred executed. But where is your source that hundreds Uighurs already dead?

Yeah, well you can never tell who will get executed in that sh-t you call a country lad. Today's suspect is next weeks Victim...

[GemiPiggy]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6671604.ece



The authorities have not said how many Han were killed for fear of stirring up
more mobs of Han vigilantes although one official has said that 33 Uighurs
were among the dead.



http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1047442/Uighur-death-toll-%27around-800%27

Of course whenever China releases it's statistics it releases them as "Chinese Dead" so people assume Han are the casualties.

Also, it's ridiculous that you support death penalty for rioters; however it is typical.

[turan8]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6671604.ece

So the authority didn't release the statistics to not inflame HAN MOBS?? That's laughable, like anyone should trust their statistics. I have a better idea, how about not give them subsidies to live there in the first place?

[Sapporo]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1047442/Uighur-death-toll-%27around-800%27

Of course whenever China releases it's statistics it releases them as "Chinese Dead" so people assume Han are the casualties.

Also, it's ridiculous that you support death penalty for rioters; however it is typical.

Stats from the Uighur World Congress is as credible as Xinhua.

[Sapporo]

So the authority didn't release the statistics to not inflame HAN MOBS?? That's laughable, like anyone should trust their statistics. I have a better idea, how about not give them subsidies to live there in the first place?

Is it really that hard to believe?? Chinese leaders has always been more afraid of instability from the inside then outside.

[Solvent]

Yeah, well you can never tell who will get executed in that sh-t you call a country lad. Today's suspect is next weeks Victim...

Same goes yours.

[thanamestolga]

Same goes yours.

What the föck are you all about?
Turkey abolished executions while the Chinese still have parades while doing em...

[Solvent]

What the föck are you all about?
Turkey abolished executions while the Chinese still have parades while doing em...

Execution means everything? Besides, somebody does deserve the treatment. I hope the killers' get it this time. Mad? I am sorry, China is not Turkey. There is no such parades anymore. For some very special cases, maybe.

[thanamestolga]

Execution means everything? Besides, somebody does deserve the treatment. I hope the killers' get it this time. Mad? I am sorry, China is not Turkey. There is no such parades anymore. For some very special cases, maybe.

It might be special but its an execution nonetheless. There isnt anything special about an execution, you execute like China or you dont like Turkey... Educate yourself.

[ggk]

"Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and a number of other Muslim countries as well as the central Asian states like Kazakhstan Kurdistan and Uzbekistan - they all deported Uighurs who had fled Chinese persecution for peacefully opposing Chinese rule, for writing something, for speaking something," she said.

Link here

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097725217198672.html

google failure

Monday, 6 July 2009

Azerbaijan, Baku, July 6 /Trend News (http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/83517/%22http://news.trend.az%22), U.Sadikhova /

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) expressed its deep concern on the recent incident and use of disproportionate force that caused death of 140 people and 800 injured civilian casualties which took place in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China (also known as East Turkistan) and called upon the Government of China to carry out prompt, effective and transparent investigation of the this greave incident and bring those responsible to quick justice, the press release of the organization says.

The riots occurred in the administrative center of the city of Urumqi on Sunday evening. According to eyewitnesses, the fighting involved burning shops and cars, looting, RIA Novosti reported.

The OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu also called upon the Government of China to take all possible measures to prevent its recurrence and to see to it that the victims are adequately compensated.

According to the police, currently several hundreds of participants of the riots, including more than ten people, which police considers the key figures of the riots, were detained.

The Agency notes that now the order in the city has been largely restored, but many shops are closed, police units patrol the streets.
As formerly reported, the protesters in Urumqi expressed dissatisfaction with the recent deaths of two Uighurs in clashes of workers in toy factory in Guangdong province.

According to Chinese police, the instigator of the current disorder was the World Uighur Congress, led by Rebiya Kadeer. According to Chinese sources, exactly he directs the action from abroad.

The Islamic world is expecting from China, a major and responsible power in the world arena with historical friendly relations with the Muslim world, to deal with the problem of Muslim Minority in China in broader perspective that tackles the root-causes of the problem, the press release says.

The OIC is ready to extend assistance and to consult with the Chinese Government about efforts to create a climate of peace and stability in the region.
An extremist group "East Turkistan" functions in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China, which acts for the establishment of Muslim state in the territory of several countries. Chinese Government considers it a terrorist organization, relying on the support of foreign terrorist organizations. Formerly China announced the links of "Eastern Turkistan" with Al Qaeda.

According to official data, about 10.6 million various nationalities of China, many of whom practice Islam, reside in the region.



Monday, 6 July 2009

Trend News Agency (http://news-en.trend.az/important/opinion/1500266.html)

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/83...us-region.html (http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/83517/-oic-calls-upon-chinese-government-to-carry-out-transparent-investigation-of-incident-in-xinjiang-uygur-autonomous-region.html)

[Solvent]

It might be special but its an execution nonetheless. There isnt anything special about an execution, you execute like China or you dont like Turkey... Educate yourself.

Like Turkey? I couldn't care less about it, sorry again. When I say "special", I mean the criminals are especially evil. Executions for them of course are different with others, has to let public know they get what they deserve.

[thanamestolga]

Like Turkey? I couldn't care less about it, sorry again. When I say "special", I mean the criminals are especially evil. Executions for them of course are different with others, has to let public know they get what they deserve.

Ha, then half the Military and Goverment should be executed!

Maybe they should secretly arrest North Korea's dear leader, seeing as though they kiss eachothers arse every second with that Friendship bridge!

[Solvent]

Ha, then half the Military and Goverment should be executed!

Maybe they should secretly arrest North Korea's dear leader, seeing as though they kiss eachothers arse every second with that Friendship bridge!

Unfortunately, you and me are not the makers of rule. I do think without them, the world will be a better place.

[Lazy Lob]

What has this got to do with religion? It's not like Christian countries never place politics above religion? :roll:

Which one places religion above politics? I can't think of one right now.

I can't even think of one with a name such as "The Christian Republic of......".

[thanamestolga]

Unfortunately, you and me are not the makers of rule. I do think without them, the world will be a better place.

Thats true, none of us make the rules.
But having those nasty fockers go to jail would make millions if not a few billion people sleep better at night. clear enough?

[Mastermind]

In america, this riot will not happen at all. The murdering uighurs will be shot on first sight by the trigger happy american police. This riot happens in China because China's stupid minority policy and strict control of police using gunfire.
So, you have not studied the modern American riots, have you. East LA, for example....thousands of police abandoned the streets to the rioters run rampant for days while the Chief of Police sat back, calling the members of the uber-liberal and minority controlled city council saying, "So, how do you like it when the police have been run off as you wanted?"

Chicago? thousands running wild in the streets, bashing whites, looting, burning...Police just took photos...rioters killed each other while police practically did nothing...

Seattle? The G-8 Rioters practically destroyed the heart of the city...police kindly wandered through the wreckage, picking up the injured, set up a small stockade to hold the most violent looters....no shots except tear gas were fired...

So, take you commie propaganda view of American police and shove it.

[Lazy Lob]

The Tang Dynasty was known for its openess towards outside religions, cultures, education and trade. It was considered the golden age of China.

The only "golden" ages were when the ruling power had such absolute control they could afford to be magnanimous. When that was threatened the old jack boot (or sandal) came stomping down until that golden shine came out again. A "golden age" was and still is very, very subjective.

[natulusha]

"Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria and a number of other Muslim countries as well as the central Asian states like Kazakhstan Kurdistan and Uzbekistan - they all deported Uighurs who had fled Chinese persecution for peacefully opposing Chinese rule, for writing something, for speaking something," she said.

Link here

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097725217198672.html

there is no country like kurdistan in the world...

[josh21x]

. India is even getting a reputation for not putting up with much Islamic nonsense.

.

How I wish that was true, but it is not. India is a pussy state,and a Giant which will not harm you, unless and until she is pushed to the maximum. Atleast the western governments are killing some mother ****ers in Astan and Iraq

[Player]

Which one places religion above politics? I can't think of one right now.

That was my point. :roll:


I can't even think of one with a name such as "The Christian Republic of......".

Of course not, do you really think that a country which is culturally/historically Christian or has Christianity as its state religion must include this fact in its name?

My post was reaction to the sarcastic flamebait of an Islamophobic nature.

[Mastermind]

How I wish that was true, but it is not. India is a pussy state,and a Giant which will not harm you, unless and until she is pushed to the maximum. Atleast the western governments are killing some mother ****ers in Astan and Iraq
Ha, true...An over-tolerance of evil seems to be running rampant throughout the emerging nations as well as the economically established nations (with Russia the obvious exception, of course . Russia will still smite you mightily if you mess with her people)...

although, personally, except for a need to improve some internal social skills, India is hardly an "Emerging" nation anymore.

I made sure to qualify my statement, i.e.; "...starting to develop a reputation..."

Every journey begins with one step.

[pg_ord]

I made sure to qualify my statement, i.e.; "...starting to develop a reputation..."

Every journey begins with one step.
Oh how I wish :( ..... developing a good reputation of kicking butt is every Indian's wet dream and we have been disappointed once too often by the polity. :-(

[Mastermind]

I happen to have worked with an engineer from India, Calcutta area, exactly where there I don't know. His name was Hirmanshu (sp probably incorrect but that's how we ****ounced his name). He was of a very mild and peaceful nature...and his avocation was Wedding Singer for Hindu weddings...in fact, he made more money singing at weddings than he did working for our firm as an engineer. However, one day we found to our amazement, he was not to be trifled with after a point. He had courage that literally astonished us...even the Russian who liked to pick on him....one day a delivery person came in with a very bad attitude, a large black man...and in a small dispute with the receiving girl, the delivery man blew up and actually threatened violence. We were all getting ready for the first assault in tossing the guy out, organizing, "Who goes in first", "Who throws the first punch if things escalate?", "Who knows karate" and all that bull s4it, when little Hirmanshu calmly got up from his desk, walked straight up to the man and with no language spared, ordered him out of the building and then in no uncertain manner, escorted the man by the arm and shoved him out the door with just enough force to say, “Get the F out and don’t come back, you stupid muther fker!”. He then calmly walked back to his desk and went right back to work...We sat there with our mouths hanging open..."Little Hirmanchu?" WTF...? The Russian immediately quit picking on the poor guy and we all had a totally new respect for Hindus...

That was just a long way of saying, I strongly suspect, the rest of India's Citizenry are of similar nature. Considering the valiant history of their armed forces, both at home and abroad, I think I am right about this. Her neighbors probably should not underestimate India's patience nor mistake her love of peace for timidity.


I know, slightly off topic...but, had to say it. MM

[Vettec]

I have a different outlook on this. yes, money talks....but, Muslims have been doing business with the west for decades and still don't hesitate to cut off westerner's heads, explode IEDs under them, blast their public buses and restaurants and resorts with little regard to nationalities. I suspect the Muslim nations kowtow to the Chinese for a rather different reason.

There is but one thing the Muslim nations respect...one thing only from outside their religion...they respect power and willingness to use that power against them. Notice, they don't jack around very much anymore with Israel on a large scale...Israel will kick their butts. They don't mess around with China. Or Russia. Both nations have clearly demonstrated what they do when they get a belly full of Muslim antics. India is even getting a reputation for not putting up with much Islamic nonsense.

The western powers, though...de-nutted by the petroleum razor, have shown nothing but weakness in the face of Islam...so they get messed with.

Now, the west is losing the other nut to the cash the Muslims and Chinese have....pretty soon, there will be a tug of war for the last dregs of self respect the westerners have. I believe the Chinese will win that one.

Nice theory, however about everything you just said is WRONG.

First of all, China is as much dependant on Middle east oil as the west, if not even more so.

2nd China have never in the past century interfered with Middle east or Other Muslim countries politics, they never attacked Muslim countries. Their foreign policy have been mostly passive for the exception of Taiwan, and if anything they were even supporters in the UN for some Muslim causes. So you can not in any rational way compare them to the Western imperialism and meddling in the middle east for last century.

3rd The only thing Muslims respect is for them to be respected not POWER, your examples to prove your point show either your huge lack of knowledge and understanding of history or that simply an idiot.

Israel with all its power did not manage to have peace for its people for more than 60 years, and they never will, WHY?? Because those Muslims won’t be treated like **** and robed of their land and rights, they will fight for their rights until justice is served.
As for Russian power you seem to have forgotten the AFGHANISTAN experience and the latest Chechnya war as well. Go back to the books buddy and try writing something smarter next time.

[Super Sheep]

What the föck are you all about?
Turkey abolished executions while the Chinese still have parades while doing em...

Your antics just shows the ignorance you possess and the arrogance you display, you know nothing of China, please STFU.



Yeah, well you can never tell who will get executed in that sh-t you call a country lad. Today's suspect is next weeks Victim...

That **** of a country, is also a nation that will run circles around Turkey politically, militarily, economically, socially, and culturally. Such big hard words from a small soft country, did we happen to hurt your feelings or something?

'enuff said.

[hulaku]

2nd China have never in the past century interfered with Middle east or Other Muslim countries politics, they never attacked Muslim countries. So what I understand that you are trying to say, is, that if a country attacks a Muslim country other Muslims countries and their citizens would automatically side with the Muslim country, without going into the merit of what the fight is all about?

And what about a Muslim country attacking another country?

[ggk]

he meant what he write..literally...no need to post your own intrepretation of it.

[hulaku]

he meant what he write..literally...no need to post your own intrepretation of it.

I did not understand the part and im asking him if i have interpreted it correctly. Do you have a problem with me asking somebody something in a very nice civil way?

If you are so smart why dont you answer on his behalf?:)

[ggk]

its mindbogling how a statement as simple as that you still dont understand.

1. Its easier to like china than to hate them....unless ofcouse for anyone who jealous of them.
2. although i agree that to say china never attack other country is a gross mistake...that said. Its true untill now they have yet attack any islamic country...(just yet) and in most cases they invested in their economy rather than sanction it.

when they heavily invest in positive diplomacy with these islamic nation.... some country in the west do the opposite...to some extent declaring these counties names... such as 'rouge state' or 'axis of evil'...

China on the other hand call em 'friends', 'business partners'...'potential client'.

so from that you should understand by now why it is easier for islamic country to work together with China.

and your attempt to relate the difference between 'country attacks a Muslim country' and 'Muslim country attacking another country' with his point, are irrelevant... to say the least.

[hulaku]

its mindbogling how a statement as simple as that you still dont understand.

Maybe im not as smart as you are


Its true untill now they have yet attack any islamic country...(just yet) and in most cases they invested in their economy rather than sanction it.


What is the relevance of the fact China has not attacked any Islamic country to the whole scenario?

[ggk]

What is the relevance of the fact China has not attacked any Islamic country to the whole scenario?

that makes em friendlier than the other guys.

[hulaku]

that makes em friendlier than the other guys.

My point exactly. Thanks

Judge a country by its religion!

[Mastermind]

“Nice theory, however about everything you just said is WRONG.”

First of all, China is as much defendant on Middle east oil as the west, if not even more so.

China gets ME oil as a matter of convenient trade... they also get oil from Russia, and S. Am. and SE Asia. With China, business is first, politics is second as long as it does not interfere with the Top Dogs in Charge. They compete as they please right along with everyone else. I notice the Arab and Aryan ME oil bosses don't interfere with China, either...they are as business oriented as anyone.

“2nd China have never in the past century interfered with Middle east or Other Muslim countries politics, they never attacked Muslim countries. Their foreign policy have been mostly passive for the exception of Taiwan, and if anything they were even supporters in the UN for some Muslim causes. So you can not in any rational way compare them to the Western imperialism and meddling in the middle east for last century.”

No, they pretty much were self isolated for much of the time they have been a nuclear power...so they have not jacked around with any one not on their borders. That does not prove anything...once China become a world power, as she is now, things can change overnight. As for messing with Muslims, I notice that within her borders, she does not tolerate any crap from Muslim Radicals…should these exterior Muslim radicals, who have threatened China with so-called “Retaliation”, lets wait and see how China handles that.. China might make Chechnya look like a day school pick nick by comparison if the radicals get too far into importing murder and savagery.

“3rd The only thing Muslims respect is for them to be respected not POWER, your examples to prove your point show either your huge lack of knowledge and understanding of history or that simply an idiot.”

That's horse crap. Muslims require their opponents to display power ...respect, to the Muslim Radicals, comes from the barrel of a gun. I notice since Israel has kicked their asses all over the sands of the ME, the Arabs and Muslims in general have left Israel alone. The idiotic stone throwers and bomb vest murdering thugs of Gaza and WB don't mess around very much anymore, either. Respect? They offer no respect to anyone not Muslim, so they get no respect back.

“Israel with all its power did not manage to have peace for its people for more than 60 years, and they never will, WHY?? Because those Muslims won’t be treated like **** and robed of their land and rights, they will fight for their rights until justice is served.”

What Land? What Rights? You want to declare for Palestinians? They do not exist! There never has been a Palestinian right to anything...that’s like saying, "Rocky Mountains" or “Atlantic Ocean”...Palestine is a geographical area, not a state. The people who have propagandized this to legitimize the nomads that no other Arab nation would allow in their borders, now called "Palestinians"...another way of saying "Arab Hillbillies"....have managed to give a rude twist to history with that bull s4it terrorists try to propagate to legitimatize murder.

As for Israel having peace, they have done very well. Comparing Israel to the Gazans, and West Bankers who constantly monger war and murder, you can see the huge difference….and with all the billions of dollars given to the so-called “Palestinians” by the Western nations, we see nothing but squalor and ruin, while just across the fence, in the nation you say can not have peace, we see prosperity and peace.

“As for Russian power you seem to have forgotten the AFGHANISTAN experience and the latest Chechnya war as well. Go back to the books buddy and try writing something smarter next time.”


Af was happening as the Soviet Union was collapsing...not the new Russian Gvt...so that is not even a point.

Chechnya is a bigger plus...showing the Russians will not tolerate murdering savages blowing up people in schools and theaters. Russia invested many lives and much treasure in Chechnya and refused to allow a Muslim Taliban style bunch of thugs to control their nation. Chechnya is now cooling of, thanks to a great sacrifice by Russians and Chechens who clearly demonstrated they would not be pushed around by murdering terrorist Muslim radicals.

So, as it turns out…I’m not the one who should go back to history class….and, I’m not the one who is an idiot.

[cn_habs]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1047442/Uighur-death-toll-%27around-800%27

Of course whenever China releases it's statistics it releases them as "Chinese Dead" so people assume Han are the casualties.

Also, it's ridiculous that you support death penalty for rioters; however it is typical.


the vice-president of the Uighur World Congress has said. Did you miss this part in the article? That's just as objective as the Chinese government. At least there are live videos to prove that the most victims were Han and some of them are Hui. Btw, did any of the Muslims give a sh?t about the Hui Muslims when Tibetans killed loads of them in the riot last year and in this year's? Some posters are such hypocrites. Only the Uighurs matter, who gives a darn about the Han and the Huis.

[cn_habs]

“Nice theory, however about everything you just said is WRONG.”

First of all, China is as much defendant on Middle east oil as the west, if not even more so.

China gets ME oil as a matter of convenient trade... they also get oil from Russia, and S. Am. and SE Asia. With China, business is first, politics is second as long as it does not interfere with the Top Dogs in Charge. They compete as they please right along with everyone else. I notice the Arab and Aryan ME oil bosses don't interfere with China, either...they are as business oriented as anyone.

“2nd China have never in the past century interfered with Middle east or Other Muslim countries politics, they never attacked Muslim countries. Their foreign policy have been mostly passive for the exception of Taiwan, and if anything they were even supporters in the UN for some Muslim causes. So you can not in any rational way compare them to the Western imperialism and meddling in the middle east for last century.”

No, they pretty much were self isolated for much of the time they have been a nuclear power...so they have not jacked around with any one not on their borders. That does not prove anything...once China become a world power, as she is now, things can change overnight. As for messing with Muslims, I notice that within her borders, she does not tolerate any crap from Muslim Radicals…should these exterior Muslim radicals, who have threatened China with so-called “Retaliation”, lets wait and see how China handles that.. China might make Chechnya look like a day school pick nick by comparison if the radicals get too far into importing murder and savagery.

“3rd The only thing Muslims respect is for them to be respected not POWER, your examples to prove your point show either your huge lack of knowledge and understanding of history or that simply an idiot.”

That's horse crap. Muslims require their opponents to display power ...respect, to the Muslim Radicals, comes from the barrel of a gun. I notice since Israel has kicked their asses all over the sands of the ME, the Arabs and Muslims in general have left Israel alone. The idiotic stone throwers and bomb vest murdering thugs of Gaza and WB don't mess around very much anymore, either. Respect? They offer no respect to anyone not Muslim, so they get no respect back.

“Israel with all its power did not manage to have peace for its people for more than 60 years, and they never will, WHY?? Because those Muslims won’t be treated like **** and robed of their land and rights, they will fight for their rights until justice is served.”

What Land? What Rights? You want to declare for Palestinians? They do not exist! There never has been a Palestinian right to anything...that’s like saying, "Rocky Mountains" or “Atlantic Ocean”...Palestine is a geographical area, not a state. The people who have propagandized this to legitimize the nomads that no other Arab nation would allow in their borders, now called "Palestinians"...another way of saying "Arab Hillbillies"....have managed to give a rude twist to history with that bull s4it terrorists try to propagate to legitimatize murder.

As for Israel having peace, they have done very well. Comparing Israel to the Gazans, and West Bankers who constantly monger war and murder, you can see the huge difference….and with all the billions of dollars given to the so-called “Palestinians” by the Western nations, we see nothing but squalor and ruin, while just across the fence, in the nation you say can not have peace, we see prosperity and peace.

“As for Russian power you seem to have forgotten the AFGHANISTAN experience and the latest Chechnya war as well. Go back to the books buddy and try writing something smarter next time.”


Af was happening as the Soviet Union was collapsing...not the new Russian Gvt...so that is not even a point.

Chechnya is a bigger plus...showing the Russians will not tolerate murdering savages blowing up people in schools and theaters. Russia invested many lives and much treasure in Chechnya and refused to allow a Muslim Taliban style bunch of thugs to control their nation. Chechnya is now cooling of, thanks to a great sacrifice by Russians and Chechens who clearly demonstrated they would not be pushed around by murdering terrorist Muslim radicals.

So, as it turns out…I’m not the one who should go back to history class….and, I’m not the one who is an idiot.

You are one of the few ones that aren't as biased and sinophobe as heck on these boards.

[Lazy Lob]

As usual it may be my sphincter talking but China does not, and has never done foreign policy shyte with any gusto. They are an insular, introspective race. They can expand from the core to proximate borders but they may be bigger wimps than the west on sighting body bags.

I recon they maybe crapping their cecks re their overseas investments. But if they are forced to wind their necks in the Uighurs may pay for it.

[thanamestolga]

Your antics just shows the ignorance you possess and the arrogance you display, you know nothing of China, please STFU.




That **** of a country, is also a nation that will run circles around Turkey politically, militarily, economically, socially, and culturally. Such big hard words from a small soft country, did we happen to hurt your feelings or something?

'enuff said.

HA, Ignorance? how about the truth? i was being sarcasted when i said they had parades, but i wasnt sarcastic about executions, half the people executed by that gov. isnt even reported missing!

That sh-t of a country should think about feeding its 1 billion people instead of walking in circles love.
And if we were such a small soft country, how did we put up with the Chinks in the Battle of Kunuri? last i remembered they didnt have ammo, the Turks stabbed and knocked the f-ck out of all the Chinese fellows there!
And you havent hurt any of my feelings, i dont have any special bonds with the Turkic people in China.

[cn_habs]

HA, Ignorance? how about the truth? i was being sarcasted when i said they had parades, but i wasnt sarcastic about executions, half the people executed by that gov. isnt even reported missing!

That sh-t of a country should think about feeding its 1 billion people instead of walking in circles love.
And if we were such a small soft country, how did we put up with the Chinks in the Battle of Kunuri? last i remembered they didnt have ammo, the Turks stabbed and knocked the f-ck out of all the Chinese fellows there!
And you havent hurt any of my feelings, i dont have any special bonds with the Turkic people in China.

You can make as much noise as you want, but the sad truth is no one give a darn about the Turks, which have just encouraged those separatists who cold bloodedly killed 140+ Han Chinese. The death toll of Han Chinese is 4x greater than those Uighurs who started the riot in the first place. Name-calling just proves how cultivated and civilized some of you are. We will get back to you for sure. Try to retain your tears and anger then.

[Solvent]

HA, Ignorance? how about the truth? i was being sarcasted when i said they had parades, but i wasnt sarcastic about executions, half the people executed by that gov. isnt even reported missing!

That sh-t of a country should think about feeding its 1 billion people instead of walking in circles love.
And if we were such a small soft country, how did we put up with the Chinks in the Battle of Kunuri? last i remembered they didnt have ammo, the Turks stabbed and knocked the f-ck out of all the Chinese fellows there!
And you havent hurt any of my feelings, i dont have any special bonds with the Turkic people in China.

Care to show any links for your truth, no Turkey ones please, they are biased as well.

China is doing good job on feeding her own people, and will be better in the future, no worries.

Turkey had tough-fighting soldiers, It's the honor of your country. In fact, I heard about it on the forum, respect to soldiers who never give up. However, the true tough guys were Chinese soldiers. They were facing bunch of nations, with poor equipments. I believed they collected more heads from your country man. I watched interviews of Chinese veterans from Korean War. They mentioned that the British soldiers were the biggest threats for them, they were especially amazed by the accurate shooting. They didn't even say anything about Turkey soldiers, sorry, it's hurt, I know.

[Lazy Lob]

HA, Ignorance? how about the truth? i was being sarcasted when i said they had parades, but i wasnt sarcastic about executions, half the people executed by that gov. isnt even reported missing!

That sh-t of a country should think about feeding its 1 billion people instead of walking in circles love.
And if we were such a small soft country, how did we put up with the Chinks in the Battle of Kunuri? last i remembered they didnt have ammo, the Turks stabbed and knocked the f-ck out of all the Chinese fellows there!
And you havent hurt any of my feelings, i dont have any special bonds with the Turkic people in China.

You should take some sort of medication.

[ggk]

Care to show any links for your truth, no Turkey ones please, they are biased as well.

.

one of the most successfull bayonet rush in the korean war...i belief itwas documented by an american soldier in his book...he was accidentally dragged into the malee.

quite colourfull account

[lzdbb]

one of the most successfull bayonet rush in the korean war...i belief itwas documented by an american soldier in his book...he was accidentally dragged into the malee.

quite colourfull account

Who kick who?
Who lose?

[lzdbb]

HA, Ignorance? how about the truth? i was being sarcasted when i said they had parades, but i wasnt sarcastic about executions, half the people executed by that gov. isnt even reported missing!

That sh-t of a country should think about feeding its 1 billion people instead of walking in circles love.
And if we were such a small soft country, how did we put up with the Chinks in the Battle of Kunuri? last i remembered they didnt have ammo, the Turks stabbed and knocked the f-ck out of all the Chinese fellows there!
And you havent hurt any of my feelings, i dont have any special bonds with the Turkic people in China.

http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88670_5888670.jpg
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88671_5888671.jpg

[m.i.t]

Who kick who?
Who lose?

Turks kicked commies chineses with bayonets in Kunu-ri battles...Then many US 4 star generals gave them many many medals .



http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html



Echoes of the Kunuri Battle

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief

The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army


"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The courageous battles of the Turkish Brigade have created a favorable effect on the whole United Nations Forces." - Time

"The surprise of the Korean battles were not the Chinese but the Turks. It is impossible at this moment to find a word to describe the heroism which the Turks have shown in the battles." - Abent Post

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"The Turks who have been known throughout history by their courage and decency, have proved that they have kept these characteristics, in the war which the United Nations undertook in Korea." - Burner - U.S. Congressman

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General



"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"

[lzdbb]

Turks kicked commies chineses with bayonets in Kunu-ri battles...Then many US 4 star generals gave them many many medals .



http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html



Echoes of the Kunuri Battle

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief

The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army


"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The courageous battles of the Turkish Brigade have created a favorable effect on the whole United Nations Forces." - Time

"The surprise of the Korean battles were not the Chinese but the Turks. It is impossible at this moment to find a word to describe the heroism which the Turks have shown in the battles." - Abent Post

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"The Turks who have been known throughout history by their courage and decency, have proved that they have kept these characteristics, in the war which the United Nations undertook in Korea." - Burner - U.S. Congressman

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General



"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"


http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88670_5888670.jpg
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88671_5888671.jpg

please explain this for me !

[4X4Driver]

Why Withdraw?

Red Chinese soldiers attacking a ridge line near Waewon last week were shocked to come face to face with swarthy, fiercely mustachioed Turks howling down upon them with bayonets fixed. In this and other Turkish bayonet charges some 200 Chinese were killed, and soon stories of the Turks were spreading like a tonic along the U.N. line.

The Turkish brigade (5,000 men) is led by Brigadier General Tahsin Yazici, who likes to twit British war correspondents with such remarks as, "Yes, I remember your General Townshend well. We took him prisoner at Kut-el-Amara [in 1916]." Last week Yazici's smart, tightly disciplined Turks were thrown in to hold the line the R.O.K.s abandoned east of Kaechon. Estimated Turkish casualties at week's end: 500. A U.S. doctor said it seemed that a Turk waited until he had at least three wounds before he reported to the medics.

After 48 hours of concentrated action on the shoulder of the Red Chinese wedge the Turks were short of food and ammunition, fighting with knives and fists, hurling stones at endless waves of Chinese attackers. Yet U.S. tanks that went forward to rescue trapped Turkish units found the Turks preparing to attack. Ordered to pull back from positions where they were surrounded by the swarming Chinese, the Turkish commander replied in amazement, "Withdraw? Why withdraw? We are killing lots of them."

When, at last, the tired, bedraggled brigade did fight its way clear, the Turks marched 50 miles down the road to Pyongyang, carrying their wounded on their backs, pointing in disgust at the direction they were headed, and repeating over & over again: "The general's orders . . . the general's orders . . ."

The U.S. had spent over $200 million in military aid to Turkey on the assumption that the Turk was a good soldier, who would defend his country if neighbor Russia attacked it. The Turks in Korea proved the assumption well justified.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,814058,00.html

[lzdbb]

Why Withdraw?



http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,814058,00.html

http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88670_5888670.jpg
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88671_5888671.jpg

please explain this for me !

[4X4Driver]

http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88670_5888670.jpg
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2007_8_17_88671_5888671.jpg

please explain this for me !

What the **** is that thing?? do they teach in your schools that everyone in the world speaks your language? :roll:

[Solvent]

What the **** is that thing?? do they teach in your schools that everyone in the world speaks your language? :roll:

They are pictures, you are supposed to be able to understand them. Just his links didn't work.

[yydebox1]

Cheer for brave turkish!now,back on topic please.

Money talks is one reason,do not forget these country also suffered a lot in same situation and from western crack down.

[FIA_cn]

http://i27.tinypic.com/nn09eb.jpg

[FIA_cn]

http://i26.tinypic.com/11abznd.jpg

[ggk]

Who kick who?
Who lose?

sorry for the off topic

Anthony Hebert's (who was US the liasion officer at the first days) writes in his book "Soldier";

(from another forum) "The Turks were of about a company size. We established a perimeter on our hill and sat back to wait for some further word. I didn't speak their language and nobody in their group spoke English, so we spent a cold, quiet night and the next morning found ourselves surrounded by Chinese. I was nervous.

There I was with a unit that had never been in combat before, we were surrounded and I couldn't even talk to them. They couldn't have been happier. They were having a picnic. Every way they looked, it was the front. They could fire in any direction and kill Chinese. They used up most of the morning doing just that, while I sat around trying to figure out how I could get the hell out of there. By the time the sun was high, everybody's ammo was low, but the Turks were calm as hell about it.

They formed a skirmish line, fixed their bayonets and faced north with grins on their faces. I saw the direction they were facing and knew instantly it wasn't where I wanted to go. I jumped up and jammed my fist to the south. Their line whirled, and I suddenly found myself swept along in one of the most sucessful, old fashioned bayonet charges of the entire Korean War. I learned a lesson from that.

The Turks are never trapped. It's the people who surround them who are in trouble. Watching them use their bayonets that day was a revelation They were dervishes. They had a peculiar style--one I hadn't learned back at Benning. They lunged, drove the bayonet into the abdomen, whirled, struck down hard on top of the rifle with their with their left hand and consequently disembowled their victims. My most vivid memory of that charge is of my gratitude to God or the United Nations or whoever was resposible for putting the Turks on our side."

Later, Hebert was awarded a Turkish medal for his bravery with the Turkish soldiers. He was the most decorated enlisted man in Korean War."

[wigon]

I think the problem is lies with one primary thing and that is the fractured nature of Muslim political authority.

Essentially they are 5 different ones and they rarely advocate for other Muslim groups.

1)Arabs
2)African
3)Turks
4)Pakistanis
5)Persian

That is to say that for example, Arabs rarely advocate for African Muslims beyond building new mosques, or Turks rarely support Palestinian Arabs beyond passive support. So the fractured nature of Muslim advocacy prevent large numbers of Muslims advocating for one particular cause.

Uighurs are Turks so we have tried to advocate for them the best we can.


Of course you forgot two itty bitty Muslim groups.... Indonesians and Malysians. Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world and are mostly Sufi like most Chinese Muslims. Indonesians also hate Chinese with a passion with regular lynchings of ethnic Chinese still continuing last I heard. When I lived in Yogyakarta, Indonesia I witnessed a tremendous amount of hatred towards ethnic Chinese having to do with different work ethics amongst ethnic Chinese and ethnic Javanese. The Chinese are like the Jews of Indonesia as they owned alot of banks and big businesses. So there was alot of jealousy. Other then that the Javanese were very friendly and I loved living there aside from Mnt. Marapi going off now and then (and the occasional earthquakes). At any rate, I need to check and see what the Jakarta Post has been reporting about the Uighurs in China.

Combine the Turkic nation military forces and Indonesian forces and they could kick a ton of Chinese ass. The only problem is that China has nukes...so any invasion of Western China would disappear in a big mushroom cloud before long. However if they didn't have those, the well equipped hard fighting Turkish Army and the highly capable Indonesia military (also well equipped and well trained) would almost certainly kick a ton of Chinese ass if they teamed up.

Wigon

[FIA_cn]

Combine the Turkic nation military forces and Indonesian forces and they could kick a ton of Chinese ass. The only problem is that China has nukes...so any invasion of Western China would disappear in a big mushroom cloud before long. However if they didn't have those, the well equipped hard fighting Turkish Army and the highly capable Indonesia military (also well equipped and well trained) would almost certainly kick a ton of Chinese ass if they teamed up.

Wigon


lol wat?

invasion of Western China?

[wigon]

lol wat?

invasion of Western China?


I was speaking hypothetically. A nuclear armed China makes this a very unlikely scenario. The Turks are pissed....but not enough to sacrifice their nation attacking China regardless of how brave they are. I was just saying that if nukes were not part of the equation, you'd likely see a much more militant Turkey on this issue. Indonesia would be a natural partner as they both share Sufi Islamic beliefs (although from different schools of Sufism), and they both have a history of kicking Chinese ass.

I should note however that it may all be irrelevant if Al-Qaeda gets involved and conducts massive terrorists attacks against China. If that happens....all Muslim nations will likely get the hell out of the way of China.
America is using diplomatic methods of trying to win the war on terror by winning hearts in minds. America however DOES NOT want to do this and only does so because of lack of manpower and morale reasons. China however has no such issues which is why most Americans would have no problems with China invading Afghanistan or Waziristan massacering civilians in their wake. We'd do official complaining about attrocities, but very weakly and stand back as the dragon rolled through.


Wigon

[FIA_cn]

I should note however that it may all be irrelevant if Al-Qaeda gets involved and conducts massive terrorists attacks against China. If that happens....all Muslim nations will likely get the hell out of the way of China.

Wigon


dude, how old are you??

[wigon]

dude, how old are you??


If that's your picture probably older then you. WHy do you ask? Ok... you love Chinese food right? Hey man its ok. I like Chinese food also and I like Chinese culture and women and all that. Nothing personal. So don't make it personal. We're just talking a bunch of hypotheticals and stuff... no need to get uptight.
Dude...there's some kick ass Chinese herbal tonics I used to drink in Indonesia that will cure you of that. Orang-tua drinks...egg yolks, (freshly made has Cobra snake blood), Chinese Herbs, lots of whiskey is WIN.
Unfortunately I'm just drinking vodka now without any of those super-duper Chicom herbs and Cobra blood (fried Cobra fillets rock BTW).... otherwise I'd be dazzling your mind with elequent quotes from the greatest French philosophers with supportive quotes from the best translations of Sun Tzu and Confuscious.

Too much Vodka = FAIL

Are you an Occidental?
I wish I was 10 yrs old again....a good age for me. An age when a boy could dream and cast his net wide.... I lived in Saudi Arabia back then....the desert = an infinity of possibilities with clear feelings of the ancient past tied to the future. In some ways I was wiser at that age. None of this heavy crap to confound my consciousness that society pushes today.

Wigon