Graphic: RIP Hamad Rafiq Abdel Razek

[He219]

WARNING, discretion advised.





Perhaps I am wrong even to post this...

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Jamal Abu al-Rob, left, a local leader of Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, and another militant escort Hamad Rafiq Abdel Razek, 42, before executing him in the center of the nothern West Bank village of Qabatiya Friday July 2, 2004. Abu al-Rob said Abdel Razek had been captured by the group on Friday and that during interrogations, he admitted that he had spied for Israel since 1989 and had repeatedly abused his daughters

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A militant of Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, prepares his machine-gun before executing Hamad Rafiq Abdel Razek, 42, center, in downtown Qabatiya, a Palestinian village in the nothern West Bank, Friday July 2, 2004.

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42-year-old Hamad Rafiq Abdel Razek falls on the ground as he is shot by militants of Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent group loosely affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, not seen, in front of a crowd in downtown Qabatiya a Palestinian village in the nothern West Bank Friday July 2, 2004



Judge, Jury and Executioner. His 'confession' was probably coerced. Middle East Justice at it's worst. Not the subject I wanted to present for a Friday, but his story should be told for all to know.

:(


RIP, Hamad Rafiq Abdel Razek










Edit: Just awful ...
:|

[UoUo]

****ing terrorist ass holes. :bash:

[Herrmannek]

Who was the guy?

[Freibier]

that's so wrong :(
RIP

[UoUo]

Who was the guy?


he admitted that he had spied for Israel since 1989 and had repeatedly abused his daughters


Even if he deserve to die...this is not the way.

[Far]

It's funny how these guys think that they can escape the judgement of God after doing stuff like this.....

[UkrainianAmerican]

f*cking savages.
And the poor fellow probably wasnt even a 'collaborator', just stepped on the wrong shoes by accident or something. :( :fork:

[/McH\]

No Words.. I already knew of things such as this, its not the first time they do such thing :|

[American Patriot]

Fooking sheep, all of them. Praise Allah.

[ZoneOne]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/65220613240c657f7daeb9.jpg

People shooting people in the streets, whats the big deal, now watch me play golf!

[gilgoul]

Terrible, what bugs me thoiugh is to see this ****ing terro using a glilon...

[CannibalSquirel]

Damm. ****in* savages. :bash:

[khukuri]

Well looking at the pics makes me sick. Knowing the guy is going to get killed. Seriously It destroyed my friday, but ofcourse ill have to blame myself for opening the thread.



Yhe guy is traitor to palestinians and they execute him.
whats the difference from when israel executes suspected terrorists with hellfires killing them and their families at the same time. They dont get a court hearing with lawyer either. Whats the great difference, same **** to me.

By the way, in many countries in the west, the same thing in the same way wouldve happen to a traitor. Not to mention how its done in chechnya by russians / whether its wrong or right permskiii.

now i go to a party in this very happy mood

[One?]

Yhe guy is traitor to palestinians and they execute him.
whats the difference from when israel executes suspected terrorists with hellfires killing them and their families at the same time. They dont get a court hearing with lawyer either. Whats the great difference, same **** to me.

By the way, in many countries in the west, the same thing in the same way wouldve happen to a traitor. Not to mention how its done in chechnya by russians / whether its wrong or right permskiii.




my thoughts exactly.

This guy is innocent becuase he works for israel. Its a very terrible situation. But when a hellfire is fired ah rantisi and kills children around him its justice....

[Moledet]

RIP. These savages, they catch people, torture them and then execute them for a lame excuse that they have took out of their head, the truth is that he probably didn't listen to them. The "abuse" of the daughters is probably that they aren't religious (they don't dress like ninjas) or that he didn't make them to marrie a guy that they don't love.

[Moledet]

Well looking at the pics makes me sick. Knowing the guy is going to get killed. Seriously It destroyed my friday, but ofcourse ill have to blame myself for opening the thread.



Yhe guy is traitor to palestinians and they execute him.
whats the difference from when israel executes suspected terrorists with hellfires killing them and their families at the same time. They dont get a court hearing with lawyer either. Whats the great difference, same **** to me.

By the way, in many countries in the west, the same thing in the same way wouldve happen to a traitor. Not to mention how its done in chechnya by russians / whether its wrong or right permskiii.

now i go to a party in this very happy mood
The thing that is the most horrible is that people gathered around to watch the execution, like it's a ****ing puppet show.

Israel doesn't execute suspects, it assassinates terrorists with blood on their hand or time bombs (people that gonna blow up the next day or people that plan a terror attack).
Rantisi and Yassin together killed over 350 people, no one was hurt in their assassinations except of their bodyguards.

Vaanunu is a traitor, he wasn't executed and there are many more spies that weren't executed.

[seruriermarshal]

f**k terrorist !

:bash:

[One?]

Vaanunu was kidnapped and if he didn't write anything on his hands to show the media who knows what would have happened to him.

I watched his execution on TV (well they showed him when he was caught/in public but not the actualy shooting). Well anyways he didn't open his mouth or beg for mercy or yelled out he was innocent. All the villagers knew he worked for israel.

How can you kill someone who might blow himslef up. What if he changed his mind the last minute? Would he still be a terrorist?


Moledat you said only the bodygaurds died in the rantisi/yassin case. What about the other 100+ assasinations? How many innocent bystanders died there?

If you are a traitor people know!

[Moledet]

Vaanunu was kidnapped and if he didn't write anything on his hands to show the media who knows what would have happened to him.


Nothing would have happend to him, he was kidnapped by Israelil agents but we it was thanks to the cooporation of the CIA, the French and the Brits. Also when he landed in Israel everybody knew about it.
In addition, many spies were cought in Israel, there's one spy that spied for USSR, he is now 75 years old and he is out of Jail, he wasn't executed even though he is not known because the law in Israel doesn't allow executions.



I watched his execution on TV (well they showed him when he was caught/in public but not the actualy shooting). Well anyways he didn't open his mouth or beg for mercy or yelled out he was innocent. All the villagers knew he worked for israel.

Ofcourse, they all knew :roll:
If they just feel a bit in danger they go to a safe place (inside Israel).
He wasn't a collaborator, they just caught a guy that didn't listen to their orders and they deicded to execute him. What can their excuse be? Their only excuse to kill someone that they don't like is to tell others that he works for the enemy.



How can you kill someone who might blow himslef up. What if he changed his mind the last minute? Would he still be a terrorist?

You are right, maybe we should wait and find out, think before you write.



Moledat you said only the bodygaurds died in the rantisi/yassin case. What about the other 100+ assasinations? How many innocent bystanders died there?

There weren't 100+ assassinations and I don't know how many people were killed in them, anyway, people won't get hurt anymore thanks to a lot of investment in technology (UAVs).



If you are a traitor people know!

There are more than 30,000 collaborators in Gaza strip alone, still the terrorsits didn't catch even one.

[Ichhabe]

Well, whatever Israel do: they are 10 times if not more fairer that the Palestians when it comes to justice.

That Palestinian guy that got life in prison some moths ago would probably been burned on the street for all to see.

Even if this poor fellow was a traitor, he still deserve his day in court. And the fireing squad to be of at least 5 guys.
Here they shoot him like a dog. It is a shame, but I bet these guys doesn't know the meaning of the word.

[soma]

The real savages are the media who propagate each sides bull**** p-)

[ROY H]

These acts are to show , and try to shake people's support and moral convictions. We must be able to look at this and see the evil and barbaric and senseless loss of life.

ps ; hello iam new to this sight hope to have a fun and pleasant experience from these fourms , God Bless.

[ArmedPacifist]

Well looking at the pics makes me sick. Knowing the guy is going to get killed. Seriously It destroyed my friday, but ofcourse ill have to blame myself for opening the thread.



Yhe guy is traitor to palestinians and they execute him.
whats the difference from when israel executes suspected terrorists with hellfires killing them and their families at the same time. They dont get a court hearing with lawyer either. Whats the great difference, same **** to me.

By the way, in many countries in the west, the same thing in the same way wouldve happen to a traitor. Not to mention how its done in chechnya by russians / whether its wrong or right permskiii.

now i go to a party in this very happy mood


Right on,

Oh and about Israel not having a death penalty......yeah I know of a few German file clerks who would disagree with you...that is if they were still alive.

[haze99]

:| Hhhmmm, Al-Asqa Martyrs Brigade? (definitely not the Peace Corp are they?)
Oh, thanks Yasser, I am glad to see the Palestinian Police were NO WHERE to be found?! (WTH do you pay them for?) Oh, that is right, there undercover HAMAS!

Well, gents you have seen the "justice" shown here. No court, judge or jury. So who will cry to Kofi Annan now!? Who is going to protest this crime! (I guess being shot, in the street, is better than having panties put on your head?) The humanity!

Yea, let's have Israel give land to these rat-bastards. whatever!

[ArmedPacifist]

Yea, let's have Israel give land to these rat-bastards. whatever!


I think you mean give BACK

[ZeroPositive]

poor sod... I bet he had to confess....

[Moledet]

Well looking at the pics makes me sick. Knowing the guy is going to get killed. Seriously It destroyed my friday, but ofcourse ill have to blame myself for opening the thread.



Yhe guy is traitor to palestinians and they execute him.
whats the difference from when israel executes suspected terrorists with hellfires killing them and their families at the same time. They dont get a court hearing with lawyer either. Whats the great difference, same **** to me.

By the way, in many countries in the west, the same thing in the same way wouldve happen to a traitor. Not to mention how its done in chechnya by russians / whether its wrong or right permskiii.

now i go to a party in this very happy mood


Right on,

Oh and about Israel not having a death penalty......yeah I know of a few German file clerks who would disagree with you...that is if they were still alive.
You are right, there's death pentalty to Nazies in Israel, but almost all of them are dead so it's like there's no death pentalty here.

[pfclee]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/stopthewallsitetitle.jpg

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/poster_map_695.jpg


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org

[UoUo]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/stopthewallsitetitle.jpg

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/poster_map_695.jpg


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org

:hug:

[/McH\]

Yeah!! Stop The wall!!! Let Suicide bombers enter Israel and Blow themselves up!! You Terrorists!! :roll:

[Moledet]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org
First thing, get the right facts, 95% of the security barrier is a fence and not a wall, there's a wall only in places that are known to be very violent.

The fence wasn't built by Israel but by the Palestinians, there was no need to build a fence if they would not attack Israeli civilians. Maybe we should let them to kill our civilians and to sit down quietly without doing anything?
This fence is the best tool to stop terrorists from killing civilians.

find the real facts at:
http://www.securityfence.mod.gov.il/Pages/ENG/default.htm

[UoUo]

I don't get it...how come a country that have like 20 or something Homcide bombers in 1 year can build a fence that will prevent the terroist from attack her...strange

EDIT: waht i am talking about? there are 100 homcide every mouth...lucky we stop most of them.

[pfclee]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org
First thing, get the right facts, 95% of the security barrier is a fence and not a wall, there's a wall only in places that are known to be very violent.

The fence wasn't built by Israel but by the Palestinians, there was no need to build a fence if they would not attack Israeli civilians. Maybe we should let them to kill our civilians and to sit down quietly without doing anything?
This fence is the best tool to stop terrorists from killing civilians.


Barbed wire fence and the wall... what is the difference? :roll:

And have you thought about why Palestinians' are so mad at Israeli?

*Cough*Maybe*Cough*Because*Cough*Israeli*Cough*people*Cough*took*Cough*their*Cough*land?*Cough*

Think about it.

[UoUo]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org
First thing, get the right facts, 95% of the security barrier is a fence and not a wall, there's a wall only in places that are known to be very violent.

The fence wasn't built by Israel but by the Palestinians, there was no need to build a fence if they would not attack Israeli civilians. Maybe we should let them to kill our civilians and to sit down quietly without doing anything?
This fence is the best tool to stop terrorists from killing civilians.


Barbed wire fence and the wall... what is the difference? :roll:

And have you thought about why Palestinians' are so mad at Israeli?

*Cough*Maybe*Cough*Because*Cough*Israeli*Cough*people*Cough*took*Cough*their*Cough*land?*Cough*

Think about it.

*Cough*cuz*Cough*the*Cough*stupid*arabs*started**Cough*the*Cough*war*Cough*and*Cough*we*Cough*kicked thier asssssss

[ZeroPositive]

Guys please stop Flaming... this isn't the place...

[UoUo]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18404

Everyone wellcome.

[Moledet]

To all Israeli people thiking that they are doing justful actions all the time:


Find out more at:

http://www.stopthewall.org
First thing, get the right facts, 95% of the security barrier is a fence and not a wall, there's a wall only in places that are known to be very violent.

The fence wasn't built by Israel but by the Palestinians, there was no need to build a fence if they would not attack Israeli civilians. Maybe we should let them to kill our civilians and to sit down quietly without doing anything?
This fence is the best tool to stop terrorists from killing civilians.


Barbed wire fence and the wall... what is the difference? :roll:

And have you thought about why Palestinians' are so mad at Israeli?

*Cough*Maybe*Cough*Because*Cough*Israeli*Cough*people*Cough*took*Cough*their*Cough*land?*Cough*

Think about it.
If you'll think and read some things you might find out that you are totaly wrong in your assemption. Anyway, you don't expect us to go out of Israel, right?

P.S. Do you know why they beheaded that Korean guy? Because they are mad on your government.
Think about it.

BTW, which land belonged to them after 1948?

[ZeroPositive]

tbh no Jew ever cut off the head of any Korean I know....
Seriously we shouldn't have another flame war go to the Poland anti Semitism thread

[pfclee]

If you'll think and read some things you might find out that you are totaly wrong in your assemption. Anyway, you don't expect us to go out of Israel, right?

P.S. Do you know why they beheaded that Korean guy? Because they are mad on your government.
Think about it.

BTW, which land belonged to them after 1948?

OK... Moledet.

Don't worry. I don't expect you to go out of Israel.

But perhaps you guys can think of a better way to deal with Palestinians a little better?

I am not trying to tell you guys that Palestinian terrorists are soooooooo right and Israel should just go to hell. Violence cannot be justified in any way.

However, I want you to think about what really caused the ultimate destructions between Israel and Palestine.

Yes, maybe you guys didn't have choice to move in to Palestinian region after the British rule.

Yes, maybe you guys couldn't see more Israeli fathers, mothers, and children dying from bombers so they built the wall.

But... But... why do you think they are attacking you guys?

Isn't it because Israeli people, even though Israeli people moved in the place where Palestinians used to live, treated Palestinians like they are guests and you guys are the host?

What caused the second uprising (Intifadha)?

Isn't the reason because Sharon, your current prime minister, visited the temple with hundreds of police forces and armed forces soldiers and killed quite a few Palestinians who just wanted to pray at the mosque?

I would be mad if that kind of stuff happens. I don't know about suicide-bombing myself, but I would be really mad if I was a Palestinian and see that kind of stuff.

and as you know, they don't really have an organized force like you guys. They only have a choice to pick up the bomb and kill themselves with a few Israeli.

Shoot, my story dragged too long.


And one more thing, beheading a korean guy story and your story is totally irrelevant. If further explanation is needed on what it is irrelevant, I will be more than happy to explain it to your guys but now i'll be ending this reply here.

[UoUo]

"the temple " is the most hily site for the jews (you can't say the same about the Musilms).

BTW: you think is justice that south korea is in iraq right now?

[Moledet]

If you'll think and read some things you might find out that you are totaly wrong in your assemption. Anyway, you don't expect us to go out of Israel, right?

P.S. Do you know why they beheaded that Korean guy? Because they are mad on your government.
Think about it.

BTW, which land belonged to them after 1948?

OK... Moledet.

Don't worry. I don't expect you to go out of Israel.

But perhaps you guys can think of a better way to deal with Palestinians a little better?

I am not trying to tell you guys that Palestinian terrorists are soooooooo right and Israel should just go to hell. Violence cannot be justified in any way.

However, I want you to think about what really caused the ultimate destructions between Israel and Palestine.

Yes, maybe you guys didn't have choice to move in to Palestinian region after the British rule.

Yes, maybe you guys couldn't see more Israeli fathers, mothers, and children dying from bombers so they built the wall.

But... But... why do you think they are attacking you guys?

Isn't it because Israeli people, even though Israeli people moved in the place where Palestinians used to live, treated Palestinians like they are guests and you guys are the host?

What caused the second uprising (Intifadha)?

Isn't the reason because Sharon, your current prime minister, visited the temple with hundreds of police forces and armed forces soldiers and killed quite a few Palestinians who just wanted to pray at the mosque?

I would be mad if that kind of stuff happens. I don't know about suicide-bombing myself, but I would be really mad if I was a Palestinian and see that kind of stuff.

and as you know, they don't really have an organized force like you guys. They only have a choice to pick up the bomb and kill themselves with a few Israeli.

Shoot, my story dragged too long.


And one more thing, beheading a korean guy story and your story is totally irrelevant. If further explanation is needed on what it is irrelevant, I will be more than happy to explain it to your guys but now i'll be ending this reply here.
A better way? What are we suppose to do? Give them some cookies and milk? Like you won't let north Koreans enter your territory we won't let the Palestinians to enter our territory.

Israelis didn't move in, they immigrated to a place called Palestine (not a country, it was just an area), the arabs didn't say:"hello, what's happening?", they attacked the immigrants since 1927, the immigrants couldn't stop them and deicded to build an army, the army attacked the arabs back until the arabs lost the gangs war. In 1947 the UN deicded to split this region to two, one part to the arabs and the other part to the Jews, the arabs refused and started another gangs war, this time they got kicked realy hard. In 1948 the first prime minister of Israel declared the funding of Israel, in the same time he sent letters to the arabian population and called them to unite with us to create a country together. 33% of the arabs stayed and they are now citizens of Israel the other 67% deicded to flee and to wait that the arabian armies will kill all the Jews in Israel, the arabian armies lost the war and we got ourself a country.

The infitfada started just because Araffat planned it, he even say it in this video:
http://www.zoa.org/video2.htm
What that the arabs tell the western world is not what they realy think, they are thinking a lot about their words and most of the time they try to give them a double meaning (just to cover their ass), for example: When they say, "We will stop only when the occupation will end" they don't mean the "occupation" of Gaza strip and the west bank, they mean the "occupation" of all Israel from the river to the sea.
Can you explain me what the Palestinians did with 3 tons of Explosives in Jenin (Ganim)? Why did they stock so many explosives?

Sharon like every other civilian is allowed to visit the holy places, if he feel like visiting the temple mount he can visit it.
Did you know that the Palesitnians BURNT a very holy site to Jews? They burnt Jospeh's tomb, it was more than 4000 years old, it is as important to Jews as Alaqsa is to the Muslims.

There are tens of million of refugees all around the world, why the Palesitnians are the only refugees that do suicide bombings and attack civilians? Palestinians are in 98th place in living quality but still they are more violent from all the 22 areas that are behind them in life quality. Why is that? I tell you why, that's because they are FANATICS, you can't make peace with people that are totaly mad, if you don't believe me, watch what they were doing in time of peace:
http://www.israelnn.com/data/asx/2002/06/29/asx_210_broad.asx

And there are plenty more examples from their TV and from the Palestinian street.

Hurting the civilians in purpose and putting their own civilians under danger can not be accepted, that's the reason that the Palestinians are being blamed for crimes against humanity.

[citizen-k]

Any one knows whether coughing is lethal?

[Navy]

Korean guy: Can you plz STFU and stick to the topic?

[pfclee]

A better way? What are we suppose to do? Give them some cookies and milk? Like you won't let north Koreans enter your territory we won't let the Palestinians to enter our territory.

Israelis didn't move in, they immigrated to a place called Palestine (not a country, it was just an area), the arabs didn't say:"hello, what's happening?", they attacked the immigrants since 1927, the immigrants couldn't stop them and deicded to build an army, the army attacked the arabs back until the arabs lost the gangs war. In 1947 the UN deicded to split this region to two, one part to the arabs and the other part to the Jews, the arabs refused and started another gangs war, this time they got kicked realy hard. In 1948 the first prime minister of Israel declared the funding of Israel, in the same time he sent letters to the arabian population and called them to unite with us to create a country together. 33% of the arabs stayed and they are now citizens of Israel the other 67% deicded to flee and to wait that the arabian armies will kill all the Jews in Israel, the arabian armies lost the war and we got ourself a country.

Sharon like every other civilian is allowed to visit the holy places, if he feel like visiting the temple mount he can visit it.
Did you know that the Palesitnians BURNT a very holy site to Jews? They burnt Jospeh's tomb, it was more than 4000 years old, it is as important to Jews as Alaqsa is to the Muslims.

There are tens of million of refugees all around the world, why the Palesitnians are the only refugees that do suicide bombings and attack civilians? Palestinians are in 98th place in living quality but still they are more violent from all the 22 areas that are behind them in life quality. Why is that? I tell you why, that's because they are FANATICS, you can't make peace with people that are totaly mad, if you don't believe me, watch what they were doing in time of peace:
http://www.israelnn.com/data/asx/2002/06/29/asx_210_broad.asx

And there are plenty more examples from their TV and from the Palestinian street.

Hurting the civilians in purpose and putting their own civilians under danger can not be accepted, that's the reason that the Palestinians are being blamed for crimes against humanity.

Well, first of all,

The word "FANATICS"...

whoa there my man. I don't know what kind of standard you are using but you don't call people fanatics because they want their land back. A lot of people use brutal forces sometimes to express their need. It can't be justified all the time but sometimes it is necessary when the "talk" is not working.

And your choice of the word "immigrate," I don't see any difference between "moving in" and "immigrate." Maybe there was no country set up exactly but almost all population was Palestinians. I'll give you an example. You are in a Jewish school. All your classmates are Jewish and other schools around you are consisted of Jewish people. One day, a few Palestinian student came in, set up his stuff and trying to take over the entire class. Would you just feel sooooooo happy and try to "talk" with those Palestinians to take your class back. I don't think so. You get MAD. REAL MAD. It's a human nature. You are telling me that all Palestinians and arab countries are violent assholes because you guys are simply getting hit after making them mad.

Yeah sure, Sharon can visit the holy site if he want. But with HUNDREDS of armed police officers and soldiers? Maybe it is because of the security reason. But he didn't need to shoot anyone. But he did. Burning valuable historical sites is bad. I'll be quite mad if some foreigner burns my country's historical site. However, you guys are shooting Palestinian holy sites (plus people) with your rifles and hellfire missiles and you are crying about your holy site burning off?

And lastly, I don't think you have any will to make peace with Palestinians at all by seeing you saying "cookies and milk." You don't wanna give Palestinians their land back or - at least - their freedom back. You just wanna either kill Palestinians or make them starve to death with your fancy walls.

Think about it.

Countless Palestinians are still losing their jobs and blocked out from the outside world because of your "security" wall right now, at this time.

[pfclee]

Plus that, don't give me all those Israeli references.

That's like me giving you South Korean right-hand party's sites talking how great the Korean government's policy is when you guys are criticizing my country's policy.

[Javehn]

Nice . I don't like to answer to those kind of threads , but this time ...


Pcflee , simple question to you . I hope you could answer me that.

What does the fence got to do with that topic ? It's fence fault this guy get shot in a place? Did he build the fence ? Did the fence shoot him in the head ?

How is the fence got to do with it ? Those guys wake up in the morning , and said "Oh , what a lovely day . But this fence make me mad . Let's shoot someone ?"


I just like it how you always on this kind of threads starting bringing the same issue over and over again . Even if it's got nothing to do with the current subject .

I just love it , when on simple matter you starting to bring all the history of Palestinians (which you should get your facts straight) . How A got to do with B ?


And second , get your facts straight at list .

And for **** sake , if you don't know what the hell you are talking about , better mind your own bussiness . I didn't read all the bull**** you wrote , but I took very quick look at your last post . I found 6 fact mistakes there .

[gilgoul]

If you'll think and read some things you might find out that you are totaly wrong in your assemption. Anyway, you don't expect us to go out of Israel, right?

P.S. Do you know why they beheaded that Korean guy? Because they are mad on your government.
Think about it.

BTW, which land belonged to them after 1948?

OK... Moledet.

Don't worry. I don't expect you to go out of Israel.
Thank you, but i don`t expect any autorization from you either

But perhaps you guys can think of a better way to deal with Palestinians a little better?
It`s been a while we tried almost everything and way possible, out of indiscriminate shooting like our dear and very democratic neighbours, experts in riot cntrol and demonstration avoiding (Hama/el arish/amman etc...)

I am not trying to tell you guys that Palestinian terrorists are soooooooo right and Israel should just go to hell. Violence cannot be justified in any way.
Thank you billy boy, tell that to the USA servicemen who died in your country 50 years ago so you`d be able to "give peace a chance"over the internet.
However, I want you to think about what really caused the ultimate destructions between Israel and Palestine.
I `ve been thinking without you wnating anything
Yes, maybe you guys didn't have choice to move in to Palestinian region after the British rule.
No, we WANTED to come back to OUR land, that we`ve been longing for 2000 years, and exerce our RIGHT to AUTODETERMINATION!
Yes, maybe you guys couldn't see more Israeli fathers, mothers, and children dying from bombers so they built the wall.
You get a point here
But... But... why do you think they are attacking you guys?
DUH, cause we`re like the only cemocracy of the MO?
Cause we`re a "kufar" element in the Dar al Islam
Cause everytime they tried to war on us they ended Sharowned (hi hi)

Isn't it because Israeli people, even though Israeli people moved in the place where Palestinians used to live, treated Palestinians like they are guests and you guys are the host?
Let`s get this point CLEAR, most of the pre48 land had been bought by the JNF, at a very expensive price in a desolated land.
The "palestinians", by the way, even the word is subject to debate, cause even they talk about "arab nation" of califate (depending on their political orientation), the "palestinians so (let`s keep the word for convention), where for the most part (especially in galilee) felahin, peasant work a land owned in majority by some big land owners .
You should be remindede that the war following the sharing plan declaration, accepted by the Yishuv, was started and lost by all the arab nations around.
What caused the second uprising (Intifadha)?
Duh, Arafat who in loss of popularity and his PA being a fiasco, though, with the encouragement of many, to boost his career and pressure the israelis to conclude an agreement under the threat of an uprising.
It seems that he misunderstood our withdfrawal from Lebanon as a "hizballah" victory, while it was merelly an effort to "clear the table" for Israel. Big mistake,
Isn't the reason because Sharon, your current prime minister, visited the temple with hundreds of police forces and armed forces soldiers and killed quite a few Palestinians who just wanted to pray at the mosque?
Your misconceptions of this nation are quite impressive indeed, you are really a propaganda bag.
The visit of Sharon on the temple mount, if controversial, was agreed upon but unadvised by the PA.
As for the reasons of this visit, it is quite simple, in front of the claim of sanctity of "al quds", we have to reafirm our attachement to the site of our former two templs, over which AL AQSA mosque is built.

I would be mad if that kind of stuff happens. I don't know about suicide-bombing myself, but I would be really mad if I was a Palestinian and see that kind of stuff.
If I was a palestinian, I would be even mader at my "arab brethen" who kept me in assistance and camps in Lebanon, syria and Egypt.
I would be mad at the groups "representating" me who "invented" modern terrorism and me the name of my people equivalent with violence.to reach none of the stated objective.

and as you know, they don't really have an organized force like you guys. They only have a choice to pick up the bomb and kill themselves with a few Israeli.
Pathetic, you really believe that?
And what about the lynching of our soldiers in ramallah?
You`ll find the excuse to say, considering the economic hardship palestinians had nothing to do but butcher those soldiers in order to provide their family with a little proteins?
So let me tell you something, I would habe been and still whould be very happy to see a palestnian state next to us, because like that things are going to be a little clearer and a governement will be fully responsible.
But when I see the hatred they carry, and the support of people like you to their execrable deeds, I wonder if we didn`t do a mistake by being too "humanitarian" with them. I wonder if, since we re the "little satan" in anyway, we should have kicked their ass really bad and let the arab world deal with their problems.
But we are sissies you see, we give too much respect to the human life
Shoot, my story dragged too long.


And one more thing, beheading a korean guy story and your story is totally irrelevant. If further explanation is needed on what it is irrelevant, I will be more than happy to explain it to your guys but now i'll be ending this reply here.


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[Moledet]

Well, first of all,

The word "FANATICS"...

whoa there my man. I don't know what kind of standard you are using but you don't call people fanatics because they want their land back. A lot of people use brutal forces sometimes to express their need. It can't be justified all the time but sometimes it is necessary when the "talk" is not working.

And your choice of the word "immigrate," I don't see any difference between "moving in" and "immigrate." Maybe there was no country set up exactly but almost all population was Palestinians. I'll give you an example. You are in a Jewish school. All your classmates are Jewish and other schools around you are consisted of Jewish people. One day, a few Palestinian student came in, set up his stuff and trying to take over the entire class. Would you just feel sooooooo happy and try to "talk" with those Palestinians to take your class back. I don't think so. You get MAD. REAL MAD. It's a human nature. You are telling me that all Palestinians and arab countries are violent assholes because you guys are simply getting hit after making them mad.

Yeah sure, Sharon can visit the holy site if he want. But with HUNDREDS of armed police officers and soldiers? Maybe it is because of the security reason. But he didn't need to shoot anyone. But he did. Burning valuable historical sites is bad. I'll be quite mad if some foreigner burns my country's historical site. However, you guys are shooting Palestinian holy sites (plus people) with your rifles and hellfire missiles and you are crying about your holy site burning off?

And lastly, I don't think you have any will to make peace with Palestinians at all by seeing you saying "cookies and milk." You don't wanna give Palestinians their land back or - at least - their freedom back. You just wanna either kill Palestinians or make them starve to death with your fancy walls.

Think about it.

Countless Palestinians are still losing their jobs and blocked out from the outside world because of your "security" wall right now, at this time.
They are fanatics because they train their children to murder, don't you find it "a bit" fanatic?
Ofcourse all the civilians were called Palestinians, that's because the area was called "Palestine", also the Jews that immigrated were called Palestinians.

About Sharon's visit, no one was killed in his visit (as far as I remember), the police started shooting tear gas and rubber bullets only when the arabs started to throw stones on the police and on people that prayed in the western wall (it's under the mosque). What did you expect them to do? To let them throw stones on civilians?
Keep lying to yourself, Israel NEVER hurt a holy site to other religions while other countries (ahm..Iraq coalition) did destroy mosques.

No one is starving there thanks to Israel and the UN (mostly Israel), we supply them food, we supply medications, we supply water and electricity for free, they don't pay anything.

Loosing their jobs? Guess why? Many Palestinains have killed their Israeli boss, since then they don't have jobs in Israel.
No one is blocked from the outside world, the east side is almost totaly open.

[ZeroPositive]

Guys both of u take a time out and stick to the subject... this thread was about a poor sod who was executed after a beaten confession....

[gregb]

At least he wasnt beheaded

[ZeroPositive]

true... still murder is still murder however you do it...

[ariweiner]

Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's people or government, usually committed through levying war against such people or government by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort.

Punishment for Treason:
(1) Every person who commits treason within the State shall be liable on conviction thereof to suffer death.

[TALOS]

Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's people or government, usually committed through levying war against such people or government by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort.

Punishment for Treason:
(1) Every person who commits treason within the State shall be liable on conviction thereof to suffer death.
Mind you, a court of law and lawyers would be fairly integral to that ari, no matter how you slice it what they did was a breach of rights.
But I dont expect you to see that as you seem to support the violent acts as long as they are against americans or israelis

[ariweiner]

Mind you, a court of law and lawyers would be fairly integral to that ari, no matter how you slice it what they did was a breach of rights.
People accused of High Treason will not go through a prosecution phase if they have confessed to the charges made against them. In this case, there was a confession and therefore I do not see a problem in terms of this persons rights being violated.

[ibstolidude]

Mind you, a court of law and lawyers would be fairly integral to that ari, no matter how you slice it what they did was a breach of rights.
People accused of High Treason will not go through a prosecution phase if they have confessed to the charges made against them. In this case, there was a confession and therefore I do not see a problem in terms of this persons rights being violated.
So if one has a confession from an individual, despite any courts/trials/tribunals, you see no problem with their rights being violated?

[gilgoul]

Mind you, a court of law and lawyers would be fairly integral to that ari, no matter how you slice it what they did was a breach of rights.
People accused of High Treason will not go through a prosecution phase if they have confessed to the charges made against them. In this case, there was a confession and therefore I do not see a problem in terms of this persons rights being violated.
You see, I naively thought, this ariwiener is a sissy, but at least he holds on some values, like "human rights" and "international law", because you were always the first to put us some moralistic argument in the face everytime there has been a violence from Isareal and the States.
In fact, yo are just an enemy, or, if I understand well that you live in the states, you are the exact same kind of guy who has been savagely executed on a public place, by offering support to te enemy of your nation, by offering comfort to the wicked justification of terrorists, you could fit in the category of "traitor", so should we ****in shoot you on a public place?
I don`t think so, cause you see, I might not be this enlightened and PC human being as you are, but I still put my trust in some rules and above all in the respect of the human being, even of my worst enemy.
For your information, those kind of shooting are always for :treasons", but at least 5 palestinians gays have been shot this way, as well as an adultery woman and so on.
So, big internet hero of the self hating causes and of the arab nation, what do you have to answer to that?

[Moledet]

Mind you, a court of law and lawyers would be fairly integral to that ari, no matter how you slice it what they did was a breach of rights.
People accused of High Treason will not go through a prosecution phase if they have confessed to the charges made against them. In this case, there was a confession and therefore I do not see a problem in terms of this persons rights being violated.
He said nothing to the press, only the terrorists said that he confesed.

[ariweiner]

So if one has a confession from an individual, despite any courts/trials/tribunals, you see no problem with their rights being violated?
Considering the circumstances in the West Bank and Gaza, no, I see no problem. If there is a real confession, then punishment is warranted.

In fact, yo are just an enemy, or, if I understand well that you live in the states, you are the exact same kind of guy who has been savagely executed on a public place, by offering support to te enemy of your nation, by offering comfort to the wicked justification of terrorists, you could fit in the category of "traitor", so should we f*** shoot you on a public place?
I have a standard set of values that I judge everything by. Whoever acts according to those values, I support their actions and whoever goes against those values, I condemn those actions. For example, one such value would be that I am anti-Occupation. I believe that the people should have a right to determine their leaders and that no outside invader has a right to dictate the policy of a country. Hence I support the right of all anti-Occupation groups to resist whether it's in Palestine, Iraq or Chechnya. But if these anti-Occupation groups commit an action that is outside the basis of moral warfare, then I condemn the act but I do not condemn the cause that they are fighting for nor do I condemn the people themselves.

In answer to the question, I do not believe that the above sentiments qualify me as a traitor.

[hood]

then I condemn the act ... nor do I condemn the people themselves

How can you condemn the act but not the person? You take offense at the act of murder by a murderer for example, but you hold no grudge against the murderer himself?

[ariweiner]

How can you condemn the act but not the person?
Simply because the act is not the person. A person can be reformed and repent of committing the act. That said, this does not mean that it prevents you from doing justice.

[hood]

If almost all of the actions of a resistance group are of a heinous type (such as beheadings of workers and bombings of innocent iraqi civilians) at what point do you start condemning them? At what point do you stop calling it anti-occupation, and start calling it terrorism that just happens to be in Iraq; that if Iraq wasn't so easy for them, it would just be somewhere else?

At what point did the French resistance blow up large amounts of other French civilians during their fight against German occupation? At what point did the Polish resistance blow up large amounts of Polish civilians to try and throw the Germans out of their country? At what point did Americans blow up large amounts of other Americans when they were trying to win independence from the British?

My point is that the so called Iraqi anti-occupation forces couldn't care less about everyday Iraqis and their rights not be occupied. All they care about is there own piece of the pie and how they can best go about distributing chaos and their Islamist agenda. Do you really think the Chechnyan rebels care about the everyday Chechnyan civilians? They're meerly pawns in their fight to get every man, woman, and child on this planet to convert Islam or die.

[Javehn]

Man , Ari sweiner , you so full of **** .



Simply because the act is not the person. A person can be reformed and repent of committing the act. That said, this does not mean that it prevents you from doing justice.

Yea , that's why the main motive of Libane culture is revenge . Too bitch slap the person, and never mind that he is "reformed" . And if not , then his son . Your words and actions seams to be very different , another side of Lebane culture . What you say and what you do is very different.



For example, one such value would be that I am anti-Occupation. I believe that the people should have a right to determine their leaders and that no outside invader has a right to dictate the policy of a country. Hence I support the right of all anti-Occupation groups to resist whether it's in Palestine, Iraq or Chechnya.

Oh , really ? I don't see any crocodile tears from your side when your fellow Muslims kill by thousands of thousands people in Sudan . For the **** your fellow Muslims did in Bosnia you don't even mention a word .


Syria is occupying until this day Lebanon . As you said , it doesn't matter if they are welcome there or not , the fact is that they are occupiers of foreign lands . And bad occupiers I might add . They had no real reasons to occupy Lebanon until now (it was Falangas who asked them to come , but they stayed FAR FAR after they become not so welcome) .

You don't cry every single thread about it .


Let me refrase what you think : What ever Muslims in the world do , is good , no matter what . What others do , and it can be much more moral way , it's bad . Muslim - good . Others-bad . Muslim shoot someone in the head without a problem or reason - good . IDF put MURDERERS behind bars after sentence -bad .

You full of **** , even Rebel7 prooved you wrong , and It seams he is way intellegent then you . You are the reason why Muslims got bad name .

[W(M)D]

I dont know why people were susprised/disgusted by this act. The terrorists love killing even if it is people from their own DNA pool. For example, hundreds maybe thousands of Iraqis have died at the hands of murder bombers, terrorist attacks, etc in the last year. Look at the hostage killing in Iraq this weekend of a (Lebanese Muslim) marine.

These type of people top each other in feuds for political, military or leisure gain and these sort of things have happened before in Palestinian areas. Palestinian 'justice' is another good reason why Israel need not bend to their wishes.

[Flagg]

Well......I'm not about to wade in and comment on the Israeli/Palestinian problem....I think enough people are throwing in on that already :roll:

I normally don't view the graphic photos posted/linked here.

I couldn't help but wish to know what the REAL underlying reasons were for that man's execution.

The photos provide a VERY personal and tangible glimpse of the situation.....now I'm just left wondering what really led to it....

But better shot than being "necklaced".

[ariweiner]

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[ariweiner]

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[ariweiner]

If almost all of the actions of a resistance group are of a heinous type...
But the opposite is true. Almost all of the actions of the resistance groups is legitimate except for the extreme acts of just ONE group and it's always the same group doing these indiscriminate bombings. However, they don't make up "almost all" the acts of the resistance just because they result in the most number of casualties.

At what point do you stop calling it anti-occupation, and start calling it terrorism that just happens to be in Iraq
It'll always be anti-Occupation so long as there is an occupation. The anti-Occupation fighters might perpetrate "terrorist" attacks but it is always in the context of of an Occupation by a foreign invading army.

My point is that the so called Iraqi anti-occupation forces couldn't care less about everyday Iraqis and their rights not be occupied.
I believe this to be totally untrue for the vast majority of the "resistance." Just go and look up any of the interviews that they have given the press.
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Oh , really ? I don't see any crocodile tears from your side when your fellow Muslims kill by thousands of thousands people in Sudan . For the **** your fellow Muslims did in Bosnia you don't even mention a word
I have no clue about what is going on in Sudan so I can't say much. As for the Bosnian mujahideen, considering what the Serbs were doing with their genocide and rape camps, I couldn't care less.

Syria is occupying until this day Lebanon.
And do you hear about a serious anti-Occupation movement there much? No! Why? Because there is a foreign invading neo-colonizer whose Occupation is destroying an entire people in the region and hence, the focus would be on the foreign rather than the domestic enemy.

What ever Muslims in the world do , is good , no matter what . What others do , and it can be much more moral way , it's bad.
Not at all. The set of values used as the standard of judging has to be uniform or it won't serve any purpose. The Quran states, "Be witnesses even against yourselves", so I don't have any problems condemning the acts of Muslims
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Anyway, to get back on topic, this person who was executed confessed to treason and raping his daughters. I will hold that his execution was warranted.

"The man, named as Muhammad Rafiq Daraghmeh, was hustled into the town's main square, where he was asked whether he had worked with Israeli intelligence and whether he had molested his two daughters, now teenagers.

He replied yes to both questions.

The victim was then pushed to the ground by the four militants, who riddled him with bullets before driving away.

Many local residents expressed satisfaction over the killing.

""What he did was shameful," a cousin told *******. "We considered him no longer one of us."" - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3861561.stm)

[ariweiner]

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[ariweiner]

Whoa double triple quadruple posts

[ZeroPositive]

someone ban this ****....

[Moledet]

someone ban this ****....
Word!

[khukuri]

So typical of you guys when preaching a ban of the guy when you cant meet his arguments. Conservative democracy at its best,

[Herrmannek]

So typical of you guys when preaching a ban of the guy when you cant meet his arguments. Conservative democracy at its best,
This is way its works... Doesn't count who has better arguments but those who has biger...















































... Size :)

[hood]

The anti-Occupation fighters might perpetrate "terrorist" attacks but it is always in the context of of an Occupation by a foreign invading army.

No. Never. If you perpetrate terrorist acts, you are a terrorist. Killing your own countrymen is and will always be unexcusable if they're the people you're trying to free from occupation. From your arguments above about Lebanon, you proved the other guy right when he said that you say that one thing is right and another is wrong only when it suits you. The whole Iraqi occupation thing only just started a year or so ago. How many years has Lebanon been occupied?? Lebanon is the example of what would happen if everyone just left and let the terrorists (in this case Hezbollah) win.

[Moledet]

Anyway, to get back on topic, this person who was executed confessed to treason and raping his daughters. I will hold that his execution was warranted.
Who said that? He didn't say it, the terrorists said it to the press, just to legitimaze their action.
If he would have raped his daughters than also the daughters would be executed by their family members because they are a shame to the family (that's how it is in the west bank), but they are alive.
The "treason" and the "raping" didn't realy happen. The treason was added just to legitimaze his murder, the real reason is probably that his daughters aren't religious or that they refused to marry a terrorist and he refused to force them marry a terrorist or to be religious. Maybe it's even because they are lesbians.

[hood]

The real problem here isn't that the guy did this or that, because no one knows. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a legitimate court to handle such things and instead matters are decided by random people with guns in the street. That's the one and only problem here.

[ZeroPositive]

I keep thinking about the poor sod, he didn't get a fair trial in anyway...
It might as well be the middle ages...

[Tane Angle]

Ok, the rest of this aside, regarding Lebanon, there actually was (and still is, to an extent) a movement, made up mostly of several groups of Christians and a fair part of both Druze, that pushed for Syria's withdrawal after the IDF did in 2000. It never really got extremely violent, mostly just civil stuff, but most argue that was because the Lebanese were used to the Syrians there, minding their own business, bringing in money that was good for the Lebanese economy, and that most Lebanese didn't want any more fighting after nearly two decades straight of it. The Lebanese are pragmatic and good negotiators by nature and nurture; most shopkeepers know that the Syrian buying things in local stores brings in money, so they tolerate it. Also, the Arab League legitimized the Syrian forces there.

However, let's not forget that there was considerable violence against the Syrians when the Syrians first entered the conflict so many decades ago. Also, while very many of the lessons of Lebanon do apply to the rest of the Middle East, not all do. Indeed, many rules and lessons that apply in one Lebanese town don't apply just a few km up the road, so rugged is the Lebanese landscape. The geography is, after all, the cause of so many different societies in such an extremely small nation. I sometimes wonder if Lebanon's troubles aren't some tectonic practical joke gone horribly wrong.

Also, the term always should only sparingly be used in regards to the Middle East. Little is definite.

I don't honestly know what exactly is terrorism and what is just unconventional warfare. Maybe it depends on the target, maybe it depends on who is actually killed, maybe it just depends on the use of things besides tanks and planes. I honestly don't know. One thing I'll say, I guess. Hostage-takings, much less executions, regardless of how one defines them, are certainly never acceptable.

Hood made a very good point about WWII resistance movements and who was killed by such movements. Destroying a train carrying enemy tanks is very different from bombing a police station filled with Iraqi police officers who are just trying to get their country back together again.


Yea , that's why the main motive of Libane culture is revenge . Too bitch slap the person, and never mind that he is "reformed" . And if not , then his son . Your words and actions seams to be very different , another side of Lebane culture .
Is that meant to say that revenge is a huge part of Lebanese culture? If so, while there is no such thing as a Lebanese culture, nearly all of the cultures of Lebanon have a very selective revenge system. It is only practiced when it suits one's goals, and when one is in a position to have it.

Anyways, have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[ariweiner]

No. Never. If you perpetrate terrorist acts, you are a terrorist.
Terrorism is a strategy. It is not the end goal and therefore to dismiss people as terrorists full stop would not adequately describe the situation. And, anyway, what if the "terrorist" also engages in military activities against legitimate targets? Are those actions also terrorism?

From your arguments above about Lebanon, you proved the other guy right when he said that you say that one thing is right and another is wrong only when it suits you.
Not at all. Again, my statements are uniform. I am talking about the right of anti-Occupation fighters to resist and not supporting the Syrian occupation of Lebanon.


The whole Iraqi occupation thing only just started a year or so ago. How many years has Lebanon been occupied??
Since 1990 if I remember correctly.

Lebanon is the example of what would happen if everyone just left and let the terrorists (in this case Hezbollah) win.
Hezbollah is only a terrorist group to the US and Israel and to those whom the US can bully into labelling them as terrorists. They are, in reality, internationally recognized as a political, social and military entity and their envoys have met with representatives from State governments including the UN.
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Who said that? He didn't say it, the terrorists said it to the press, just to legitimaze their action.
No, he answered yes at the scene in front of the media and everybody else.

If he would have raped his daughters than also the daughters would be executed by their family members because they are a shame to the family (that's how it is in the west bank), but they are alive.
Whoa, so because you read about minute numbers of honor killings, automatically that becomes the standard for the entire Arab world?
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The real problem here isn't that the guy did this or that, because no one knows. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a legitimate court to handle such things and instead matters are decided by random people with guns in the street. That's the one and only problem here.
I have to agree with this. I think that they should have turned over the prisoners to the Palestinian court system. However I'm unsure as to whether the infrastructure is still there for them to be able to do so.
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...from bombing a police station filled with Iraqi police officers who are just trying to get their country back together again.
I agree with pretty much everything you had to say except for the above. Iraqi police officers and ICDC etc are not being targetted because they are trying to put the country back together again. They are being targetted because they are collaborating with a foreign enemy in attacking the resistance. And they recognize this which is why you saw many of them[Iraqi troops] refusing to fight in Fallujah against their own people. They are being used as a tool to manage any resistance to American domination of Iraq.

[hood]

Terrorism is a strategy. It is not the end goal and therefore to dismiss people as terrorists full stop would not adequately describe the situation. And, anyway, what if the "terrorist" also engages in military activities against legitimate targets? Are those actions also terrorism?

If you commit terrorist acts, you are a terrorist. If I decide to blow up women and children one week, but then attack enemy soldiers the next, you're not suddenly vindicated and everyone will forget about the terrorist act from last week. You seem to have a 3 second memory when it comes to these things.

[Roger Rabbit]

Hezbollah is only a terrorist group to the US and Israel and to those whom the US can bully into labelling them as terrorists. They are, in reality, internationally recognized as a political, social and military entity and their envoys have met with representatives from State governments including the UN.

Thats handy to know because everybody i know here(the UK) things they're a bunch of terrorists.

[ariweiner]

If you commit terrorist acts, you are a terrorist. If I decide to blow up women and children one week, but then attack enemy soldiers the next, you're not suddenly vindicated and everyone will forget about the terrorist act from last week. You seem to have a 3 second memory when it comes to these things.
Absolutely, but my point was that the "attacking enemy soldiers" part should not be considered terrorism simply because it was perpetrated by "terrorists".

[Moledet]

Heh, I didn't hear him say anything, he only sat on the knees and then they shot him.

And honor crimes are happening in the West Bank and Gaza (sometimes Israeli arabs also do honor crimes, but they get into jail for it), it's not something from some arabian country.

[ZeroPositive]

Honour crimes is BS we had a few in the UK about some girls being killed by there fathers due to them having pre maertial *** before mariage... wtf honestly.... they can take there backward honour and show it where the sun don't shine... sorry ur a woman don't do this why aren't u in the kitchen etc thats rubbish....
go sit on an egg mate....

backward thinking moron... honestly where did Darwin find u in a lump of fossilised amber.... HA

[Moledet]

Honour crimes is BS we had a few in the UK about some girls being killed by there fathers due to them having pre maertial *** before mariage... wtf honestly.... they can take there backward honour and show it where the sun don't shine... sorry ur a woman don't do this why aren't u in the kitchen etc thats rubbish....
go sit on an egg mate....

backward thinking moron... honestly where did Darwin find u in a lump of fossilised amber.... HA
Was it aimed towards me? If so, i'm against honor crimes(otherwise I wouldn't call them crimes) and I support equal rights.

[ZeroPositive]

Moledat its not aimed at u mate....
:)
ur one of my mates for sure.

[TALOS]

If you commit terrorist acts, you are a terrorist. If I decide to blow up women and children one week, but then attack enemy soldiers the next, you're not suddenly vindicated and everyone will forget about the terrorist act from last week. You seem to have a 3 second memory when it comes to these things.
Absolutely, but my point was that the "attacking enemy soldiers" part should not be considered terrorism simply because it was perpetrated by "terrorists".

That doesnt even make any sense ari, If you are a terrorist and commit terrorist acts then go after police or military it doesnt change the fact that you are terrorist.
And the point made earlier that you would be considerd a collaboratror of the enemy due to your defense of them while in the US is valid. If you spoke out against the plo in the west bank and defended the israelis in a forum like this they would consider you a traitor. But you live in a civilized (for the most part) country that defends your right to spout noxious opinions and all we can do is disagree with you. I wonder how you would feel if people here had the same attitude as the "nice innocent terrrorists" you like so much.