Most Americans don't believe humans responsible for climate change, study finds

[bono]

"Barack Obama's sense of urgency in getting Congress and the international community to act on climate change does not appear to have rubbed off on the average American, a new study published today reveals.
Even as the president pressed the G8 and the world's major polluters to resist cynicism and the pressure of the economic recession to act against global warming, a majority of Americans remain unconvinced that humans are responsible for climate change, or that there is an urgent need to act."

Most Americans don't believe humans responsible for climate change, study finds (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/09/climate-change-debate-human-activity)

[Aeroflot]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical myself. Isn't the earth supposed to naturally warm and cool in a regular pattern?

Not that I'm against going Green, but I just don't buy Global Warming just yet.

[Skutatos]

Climate has changed all throughout history. For me its not so much whether humans are causing global warming or not, its whether or not I should give a damn. Human beings have survived far more inhospitable climates in the past.

As far as nature is concerned...it adapts. It has survived several mass extinctions far worse than anything global warming will bring about. The life-forms best adapted to the environment will succeed and the others will die off...thats how it works.

[Albatross]

I don't believe that its our fault, if it did I would burn more plastic and styrofoam. Winter sucks.

[Eknytz]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical myself. Isn't the earth supposed to naturally warm and cool in a regular pattern?

Not that I'm against going Green, but I just don't buy Global Warming just yet.

Yeah, same here.

I mean it was like really hot and crap when the dinosaurs were around and then there was the Ice Age where it was really cold.
I mean based on the Earth's history climate change seems perfectly normal.

Personally I think this whole climate change "we need to cut emissions by whatever percent by so and so date" is just to put people into a panic for political reasons so they are more easy to manipulate due to fear.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think we have helped global warming along but we are not the root cause.

[happyslapper]

hang on a minute... you guys do understand that it isn't the warming that is the cause for concern, it is the rate of warming? It didn't come across in your posts.

[Albatross]

hang on a minute... you guys do understand that it isn't the warming that is the cause for concern, it is the rate of warming? It didn't come across in your posts.

I agree, it should be happening much, much faster.

[loganinkosovo]

"Barack Obama's sense of urgency in getting Congress and the international community to act on climate change does not appear to have rubbed off on the average American, a new study published today reveals.
Even as the president pressed the G8 and the world's major polluters to resist cynicism and the pressure of the economic recession to act against global warming, a majority of Americans remain unconvinced that humans are responsible for climate change, or that there is an urgent need to act."

Most Americans don't believe humans responsible for climate change, study finds (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/09/climate-change-debate-human-activity)

Damn! I've just renewed my respect for most Americans!

We are obviously more intelligent than the morons in the rest of the world who have fallen for Al Gore's and their worthless government's money grab.

Global Warming was invented by Dow Chemical.

[Chulo]

I think they should re title the movement as "Human caused Global climate change"
Because i believe in climate change, but not that it is caused solely or primarily by humans

[Drain-O]

And most Americans don't accept evolution, so I would take the opinions of "Most Americans" with a grain of salt.

I personally have no opinion on global warming because both sides have such a large amount of idiots. It should not be debated however that huge amounts of pollution adversely affects our health and our environment, so what needs to be done in the case of global warming needs to be done even if there isn't global warming.

[Laworkerbee]

And most Americans don't accept evolution


And you get this from where?

[vor033]

Well if we are in the middle of Global Climate Change the UK cant be part of the globe as our summers are still just as crap as ever !

[Drain-O]

And you get this from where?
Every poll done on the matter. Apparently most Americans reject evolution, albeit it's 51% against, 49% for (only 15% believe God had nothing to do with it). I fully expect evolution to gain serious ground on creationism when older generations start dieing off, but still, general consensus among those who are not scientists really doesn't prove anything.

This is the most recent article a quick Google search found. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml)

[jklv]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical myself. Isn't the earth supposed to naturally warm and cool in a regular pattern?

Yes, but neo-hippy trend is much more powerful then scientific knowledge.

[Laworkerbee]

Every poll done on the matter. Apparently most Americans reject evolution, albeit it's 51% against, 49% for (only 15% believe God had nothing to do with it). I fully expect evolution to gain serious ground on creationism when older generations start dieing off, but still, general consensus among those who are not scientists really doesn't prove anything.

This is the most recent article a quick Google search found. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml)

Sorry, I don't believe those polls anymore than I believe in Santa Clause or Global Warming :)

[happyslapper]

Yes, but neo-hippy trend is much more powerful then scientific knowledge.

So you're happy to accept what scientists say, i.e. that global warming is without doubt happening?

[Drain-O]

Sorry, I don't believe those polls anymore than I believe in Santa Clause or Global Warming :)
Can you find any polls that disagree? I have never seen one that puts evolution ahead of creationism/ID in the US. I don't want to believe ignorance on such a subject is more prevalent than understanding, but unless you can find statistics that prove otherwise, I have no choice.

[Laworkerbee]

Can you find any polls that disagree? I have never seen one that puts evolution ahead of creationism/ID in the US. I don't want to believe ignorance on such a subject is more prevalent than understanding, but unless you can find statistics that prove otherwise, I have no choice.

Man, I'm just busting balls p-)

[XShipRider]

The whole facts, truth and what people believe gets so convoluted... Pay your Flat Earth Society dues today and rest easy.

[Gleipnir]

http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/warning.html

this was from 18 November 1992.

[Mu-Meson]

Coldest June in NYC since 1958
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2286169/posts

Phoenix had 15 straight days with highs below 100F, the first time in June since 1913.
In Boston it was 4.7F below normal in a tie for 6th coldest June (with 1982) in 138 years of record keeping, all the other years were before 1916.In other parts of the world, Southern Brazil had one the coldest June’s in decades and New Zealand has had unusual cold (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10582225)and snow again this year after a banner year there and in the mountains of southern Australia last year. http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/june-global-temperatures-drop-again-8-year-downtrend-continues/
LAST month Australians endured our coldest June since 1950.http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22069080-5001031,00.html

The average arctic temperature is still not above 0°C –this the latest date in fifty years of record keeping that this has happened. Usually it is beginning to level off now and if it does so, it will stay near freezing on average in the arctic leading to still less melting than last summer which saw a 9% increase in arctic ice than in 2007.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/25/arctic-temperature-is-still-not-above-0%C2%B0c-the-latest-date-in-fifty-years-of-record-keeping%E2%80%A6%E2%80%9D/

Sure, this is all localized weather, and doesn't conclusively prove anything. But remember this the next time you read a media article saying how a drought somewhere is evidence of global warming. If a coldest June on record doesn't debunk global warming, then how does a warmest January on record support it? Double standards, hypocrites.

[szr]

^ We've had an incredibly splendid July, as well. In fact it's a GLORIOUS 71F outside as I type this. It's usually high 80s-90s with stifling humidity this time of year. But this summer has been beautiful temperature-wise.

[Laworkerbee]

I think Global Warming started when the state of Israel was created.

Coincidence?

[Hot Lips]

http://www.benyami.org/Proof%20of%20global%20warming.jpg

[Trouble]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical myself. Isn't the earth supposed to naturally warm and cool in a regular pattern?

Not that I'm against going Green, but I just don't buy Global Warming just yet.

Global Warming is crap, however climate change is real, but has nothing to do with Humans. In fact the entire Solar system is getting warmer, one of the first indications of this was when we had evidence that Mar's average global temperature has increased by the same amount that the Earths has over the same period of time.

[Elbs]

I think Global Warming started when the state of Israel was created.

Coincidence?

Always the JUICE'S fault! :|

[pascalywood]

And most Americans don't accept evolution, so I would take the opinions of "Most Americans" with a grain of salt.




Preach it brother.

[Aeroflot]

Personally I think this whole climate change "we need to cut emissions by whatever percent by so and so date" is just to put people into a panic for political reasons so they are more easy to manipulate due to fear.

It's examples like these that make me question everything in existence. I wouldn't be surprised if the earth doesn't really look like the way it does on a map. Could be a big smiley face for all I know--I haven't seen earth from space. Maybe a bit extreme, but I don't believe anything 100% that I can't see for myself.

[Goldfishsoldier]

Same same here. The earth was apparently warmer in the middle ages than now, and then during the 15th century sunk into a minature ice age. We are obviously in a warmer period now, but I don't suppose anyone remember when global cooling was the hype back in the 70's?

[Michigander]

The strongest evidence for human induced global climate change indicates that human activity is reducing, not increasing global temperatures. Like the human produced atmospheric carbon as a major factor in global warming hypothesis, it is also not universally accepted, however.


It was an irresistible factoid, widely covered and still found all over the web: in the three days after the September 11 terrorist attacks, when all commercial air traffic was banned from American skies, the average daily temperature range over the continental US got a sudden, substantial stretch.

The disappearance of jet condensation trails, or contrails, had unmasked their remarkable effects, researchers suggested (http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020808/full/news020805-7.html) (Nature News, subscription). Lack of contrails seemed to widen the gap between the lowest overnight temperatures and the daytime highs.
Read the rest at the link if you are interested: http://www.celsias.com/article/9-11-contrail-climate-effects-questioned/

[NUCKINFUTS]

Haven't any of you guys seen Al Gore talk about it?

[Migs]

the average American
yeah.......

[FullMetalJackass]

Haven't any of you guys seen Al Gore talk about it?


Algore reminds me of your screename.

[Aeroflot]

Haven't any of you guys seen Al Gore talk about it?

Al Gore is a politician.

And I do own a copy of his little global warming skit.

[Geezah]

Haven't any of you guys seen Al Gore talk about it?

Yeah, he is a fcuking idiot.

Al Gore Compares Fight Against Global Warming to Struggle Against Nazi Germany (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530503,00.html)

But he did take the initiative in creating the internet......

[jklv]

So you're happy to accept what scientists say, i.e. that global warming is without doubt happening?
Read again, or learn to read. I'm not saying Global warming is happening or not, I'm saying it's a normal process of the planet.

[budgie]

From the link in the OP.


About 49% of Americans believe the Earth is getting warmer because of the burning of fossil fuels and other human activity, the survey by the Pew Research Centre and the American Association for the Advancement of Science said. Some 36% attributed global warming to natural changes in the atmosphere and another 10% said there was no clear evidence that the earth was indeed undergoing climate change.

Scientists in contrast are overwhelmingly persuaded that global warming is caused by humans - some 84% blame human activity. A strong majority - some 70% - also believe it is a very serious problem. Despite that degree of consensus, some 35% of Americans continues to believe - wrongly it turns out - that climate change remains a matter of scientific controversy. Only about 47% of the public views climate change as a very serious problem, a finding that has remained stable over the years, the survey said. In other public opinion polls over the years, climate change has ranked near the bottom of the list of pressing problems.

The Pew poll, like others in the past, also found attitudes towards climate change breaking down according to political allegiance.Some 67% of Republicans either deny the existence of climate change or attribute the phenomenon to natural causes. In contrast, 64% of Democrats believe that the earth is getting warmer because of human activity.


This only reinforces what I keep saying:

Firstly 49% believing in man-made global warming is a majority; the total cited who either don't accept it's man-made or deny it exists at all amounts to only 46%. The rest presumably is the margin.

Secondly it's split pretty neatly down party lines. Demonstrating again that the GOP/Exxon/Big Energy marketing machine has its party faithful neatly brainwashed into thinking that any fear of human made global warming is solely the realm of 'hippies and communists' and other 'haters of freedom'.

Moreover, whaddaya know? The majority of the scientific community - whose knowledge is based on real studies over mere op-eds at Foxnews.com - believe that global warming is caused by human industrial activity.

Finally even if the 'majority' of Americans disbelieve so what? Thank goodness that despite the GOP marketing the rest of the world is taking some small steps to reduce emissions. I'm glad that in this case, a 'majority of Americans' are in global terms, a minority.

Badly titled thread.

[Aeroflot]

Statement edited by authorThat is not an intelligent statement... on many levels.

[budgie]

That is not an intelligent statement... on many levels.

*sighs* You're right, I don't need to be a smartass to get my point across. Edited.

[Kurnas]

Regardless to the true nature of Global warming, it seems like most people disregard the positive aspects of the Global warming frenzy.
making people more aware of pollution and acting out against it, for their own sakes, to get cleaner air, cleaner water and so on.

I dont know about you, but I prefer cleaner air who dosent contain more carbon emissions then air, and defenatly dont want my seas to be made out of raw sewege and chemical waste.

[MaverickCowboy]

Regardless to the true nature of Global warming, it seems like most people disregard the positive aspects of the Global warming frenzy.
making people more aware of pollution and acting out against it, for their own sakes, to get cleaner air, cleaner water and so on.

I dont know about you, but I prefer cleaner air who dosent contain more carbon emissions then air, and defenatly dont want my seas to be made out of raw sewege and chemical waste.

as long as they don't use it as an excuse to force another economic ideology like socialism, communism or kill jobs and factories and our economy by killing their "energy usage" i wont complain.

[SkyUS]

as long as they don't use it as an excuse to force another economic ideology like socialism, communism or kill jobs and factories and our economy by killing their "energy usage" i wont complain.

How? Why? I am actually speechless. Please tell me according to you, how is socialism and communism being implemented to the aversion of pollution etc...

[MaverickCowboy]

How? Why? I am actually speechless. Please tell me according to you, how is socialism and communism being implemented to the aversion of pollution etc...

because CAP and TRADE was discussed as a means to pay for nationalized healthcare by our political leaders.

[Weasel]

as long as they don't use it as an excuse to force another economic ideology like socialism, communism or kill jobs and factories and our economy by killing their "energy usage" i wont complain.

"Green kills jobs" is only an excuse of conservative parties. The opposite actually happens.

[Bro Jangles]

Global Warming happens by its self, but we are helping.

[MaverickCowboy]

"Green kills jobs" is only an excuse of conservative parties. The opposite actually happens.

Cap and trade kills jobs. as written in its current form in the bill. it does. go read it yourself.

if they find a way that doesn't make me bankrupt and kill out economy by forcing jobs overseas. fine.

and if it was so profitable and "created" jobs, then that big money guys would be capitalizing on this idea already instead of "more expensive" oil.

the mid western states cannot just drop coal. theres no money.

if it was profitable, the conservatives would have pushed for this as big bigness lobby would profit from it.

the only thing is, its a pipe dream with cap and trade NOW. because of the CRISIS, we cant just abandon middle states and the south from creating energy because there no investment for nuclear power. that is cleaner. but everyone protests nuclear. so unless someone invents some new power source cap and trade wont work in reducing emissions without creating huge unemployment lines and un payable costs of living.

it looks like a lovely concept on paper, but its just not going to come out of thin air from iron handed legislation without the technological and financial backup.

[Zoomie]

"Green kills jobs" is only an excuse of conservative parties. The opposite actually happens.
Prove it. When Obama was lauding 'green jobs', the only way they were being sustained through heavy government subsidies.

[jaegermeistr]

Most americans also believe in god.

[Weasel]

I can only speak for Germany. For Germany econimists expect that in 2020 more people will work for a green industrie than for the automotive industrie.
Also my job is a new generated one that didn´t exist 10 years ago.

The US is still 10 years behind an ecological evolution but will follow with a wave of newly-created jobs aswell.

[CG51]

Most americans also believe in god.

And we are the most powerful country on the planet ;-)

[MaverickCowboy]

I can only speak for Germany. For Germany econimists expect that in 2020 more people will work for a green industrie than for the automotive industrie.
Also my job is a new generated one that didn´t exist 10 years ago.

The US is still 10 years behind an ecological evolution but will follow with a wave of newly-created jobs aswell.

Depends if our political leaders execute it well.

[CG51]

I can only speak for Germany. For Germany econimists expect that in 2020 more people will work for a green industrie than for the automotive industrie.
Also my job is a new generated one that didn´t exist 10 years ago.

The US is still 10 years behind an ecological evolution but will follow with a wave of newly-created jobs aswell.

I believe that quite a few here already stated that; the government using global warming scare as a means to create more jobs and taxes = greater wealth.

[MaverickCowboy]

Most americans also believe in god.

......................and?

[Weasel]

I believe that quite a few here already stated that; the government using global warming scare as a means to create more jobs and taxes = greater wealth.

And "more jobs and taxes" is wrong?

[MaverickCowboy]

And "more jobs and taxes" is wrong?

no, HEAVY taxation on a struggling economy is wrong.

[Mackie]

if it was profitable, the conservatives would have pushed for this as big bigness lobby would profit from it.

You mean the Exxon friends? p-)

[Mackie]

no, HEAVY taxation on a struggling economy is wrong.

If I am right, even under 8 years neocons, the lower taxes brought no real growth while the world economy rode on a boom.
I guess it's more a structural problem.

[vryhpyammoadded]

I believe that quite a few here already stated that; the government using global warming scare as a means to create more jobs and taxes = greater wealth.

But in reality many of us know that what the managerial elite of the US really mean, is to create more government license, controlling more voters, to allow more meddling in more business and individual affairs, to glom even more revenue to create more government license to…

I actually agree that man made greenhouse emissions do in fact increase the planetary average temperature but I adhere to findings showing that this affair is not the crisis grossly over melodramatic demagogues leveraging FUD play it out to be. Even if it was an immanent threat coming on much faster than some scientists suggest, it is still no excuse for the managerial elite of the world to leverage the fear into bad legislation and regulation undermining democracy and free enterprise.

Instead of a good, healthy, open, free market incentive plan that previous Cap and Trade systems were designed as for earlier pollution issues. We have this collectivist cudgel and enslavement system to con and coerce money out of private and corporate wallets into demagogue’s zealot pluralities to further oppress those who choose any other course. It’s Tyrannical behavior and the bread and butter of the socialist lemmings hell bent on driving everyone over the despotic cliff.

Yet another philosophic single point failure placing too may eggs in one basket controlled by a few people who just might be wrong bashing liberties and incremental enslavement.

Crap and Tax is at it heart in Capitol Hill is nothing but theft pure and simple.

There are better, non corrupt or dictatorial ways to do this.

[Tokamak]

Yes, but neo-hippy trend is much more powerful then scientific knowledge.

Have you actually read any scientific literature on this topic?.

[Aeroflot]

BeNder, Id bet you $1 000 000 that thats not the work of God.



If you believe something written a long time ago by several people with no sources or evidence. You live by it etc, your stupid. Its kinda sick in todays society. Its against logic and human nature.

And with all the pollution we humans are spilling out, offcourse it will cause changes on our climate. And if people (americans mostly...) dont believe that. They are veeeery narrow minded.

http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator.cfm?IndicatorID=199

Religion... The main cause of stupidity.

Oh and as a swedish comedian said. Threatening someone who doesnt believe in God, with the wrath of God, is like threatening him with your pet Unicorn.

Sorry if I offended some American or religius fanatic.

What makes you think science isn't the new religion? I'm sorry, but I don't see any scientists outside my window performing tests. They themselves could be made up. So in all practical terms, you're believing something you can't see for yourself, so there is no difference between believing in God and believing what you read in the newspaper. Is it just as illogical and irrational as reading the Bible.

And rationality and logical is subjective and non-universal. What the Greeks thought was illogical the Indians might think is perfectly logical.

Remember when the Arabs used to be more scientifically advanced than the Europeans? The Arabs could mix religion and science because neither had anything to do with one another. They didn't have to sacrifice one or the other. It was like using two different parts of the brain instead of fighting for the use of one part.

And as religion being the main cause of stupidity... you know people control religion, not the other way around, right?

[Midav]

If humans are involved with climate change I honestly don't know. Perhaps it's the Earth itself. Many mammoths have been found perfectly preserved due to being instantly frozen.

It could be the Earth has cycles. We don't know much of what occured 2000+ years ago climate wise

Maybe if the Sahara only now turned into a desert it would be blamed on humans, too.

[Tokamak]

Yes, but neo-hippy trend is much more powerful then scientific knowledge.


From the link in the OP.



This only reinforces what I keep saying:

Firstly 49% believing in man-made global warming is a majority; the total cited who either don't accept it's man-made or deny it exists at all amounts to only 46%. The rest presumably is the margin.

Secondly it's split pretty neatly down party lines. Demonstrating again that the GOP/Exxon/Big Energy marketing machine has its party faithful neatly brainwashed into thinking that any fear of human made global warming is solely the realm of 'hippies and communists' and other 'haters of freedom'.

Moreover, whaddaya know? The majority of the scientific community - whose knowledge is based on real studies over mere op-eds at Foxnews.com - believe that global warming is caused by human industrial activity.

Finally even if the 'majority' of Americans disbelieve so what? Thank goodness that despite the GOP marketing the rest of the world is taking some small steps to reduce emissions. I'm glad that in this case, a 'majority of Americans' are in global terms, a minority.

Badly titled thread.

There you have it. A few years ago Nature published a nice article about this subject.

[szr]

Religion... The main cause of stupidity.

Oh and as a swedish comedian said. Threatening someone who doesnt believe in God, with the wrath of God, is like threatening him with your pet Unicorn.

Sorry if I offended some American or religius fanatic.Your responses are quite amusing as you appear to be the chief fanatic, here, in this thread which is dominated by skeptical points of view. But by all means, continue.

[CPLHUNTER]

We have helped speed up the process, but as is known our planet goes through warming and cooling cycles. I don't think dropping trillions of dollars creating government jobs in the green industry is going to stop the natural transition our earth is going thru.

[LaoSexMachine]

Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Job 1:21

[seraosha]

I personally think that the global climate change is ovbiously being contributed to by human pollution. That's not faith based, just do some homework from the less shrill sites out there that just present the facts as we understand them now.

But looking at projected climate changes, shortages in drinkable water, oil reserves and peak oil ...not to mention the ever present fear of an impending pandemic, economic collapse and my personal favorite, Zombie Apocalypse...I'm still not that worried.

All the resource whore baby boomers are going to be dropping like flies soon...aging Europe will see populations drop as well...and with less arible land and more mouths to feed, we will see huge population movements as those that can't survive where they are start to migrate.

And being an American, we have the lions share of weapon systems, standing military and resources to survive the upcoming trials...if not without some hardship.

So, whether or not Americans in general believe in human caused climate change is really a moot point. After all you other poor suckers on Earth drop off, we'll still be doing ok and will write you into our history books.

And if it still gets too bad, we'll start emigrating into orbit and to the Moon, because we'll then have no one opposing us in regard to using the planets resources to get us up out of the gravity well...we went there before, we can go again no problem...all it takes is motivation.

And how do I have faith in all this?
Because "God Blessed America", not you poor bastards.
p-)

[CPLHUNTER]

And one little detail I forgot, the global warming hoax sounds like the global ice age hoax of the late 70's where our entire world was going to turn to a huge sheet of ice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

Hell the whole global warming crew isn't even calling it that anymore, it's been rebranded to climate change that we have to prevent.

So yeah what if our country magically turned off all coal burning plants, all started driving electric cars and generated all our power thru clean energy, what happens w/ the rest of the world who isn't on board and who don't commit to pour trillions of dollars in the preventing climate change?

[Weasel]

We have helped speed up the process, but as is known our planet goes through warming and cooling cycles. I don't think dropping trillions of dollars creating government jobs in the green industry is going to stop the natural transition our earth is going thru.

No doubt, the planet goes through cycles or warming and cooling. But since mankind started so called industrialization the increase of temperature is bigger than the planet has ever seen before.
Oh, and I prefer dropping trillions of dollars creating jobs in green industry than dropping trillions of dollars in keeping jobs in non-green industry.

[Tokamak]

And one little detail I forgot, the global warming hoax sounds like the global ice age hoax of the late 70's where our entire world was going to turn to a huge sheet of ice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

Hell the whole global warming crew isn't even calling it that anymore, it's been rebranded to climate change that we have to prevent.

So yeah what if our country magically turned off all coal burning plants, all started driving electric cars and generated all our power thru clean energy, what happens w/ the rest of the world who isn't on board and who don't commit to pour trillions of dollars in the preventing climate change?

Never fails to appear the "ice age hoax".

[PEMM]

What a suprise... Some people really seem to think this is some kind of fight between opinions. News: even though we live in democracy, it doesnt mean that everyones opinion is as worthy when it comes to science.

If your opinion is not based on reality and is not supported by evidence, like it is with most climate-change or evolution skeptics , its as worthy as pile of ****.

[Midav]

No doubt, the planet goes through cycles or warming and cooling. But since mankind started so called industrialization the increase of temperature is bigger than the planet has ever seen before.
Oh, and I prefer dropping trillions of dollars creating jobs in green industry than dropping trillions of dollars in keeping jobs in non-green industry.

Can that be proven without a shadow of a doubt? ;)

[szr]

If your opinion is not based on reality and is not supported by evidence, like it is with most climate-change or evolution skeptics , its as worthy as pile of ****.Please present the your evidence to support this assertion.

[CPLHUNTER]

Never fails to appear the "ice age hoax".

Well, since I don't see an ice age going on, I propose a "hoax" p-)

[CPLHUNTER]

No doubt, the planet goes through cycles or warming and cooling. But since mankind started so called industrialization the increase of temperature is bigger than the planet has ever seen before.
Oh, and I prefer dropping trillions of dollars creating jobs in green industry than dropping trillions of dollars in keeping jobs in non-green industry.

Do you realize that only 1 in 10 of those jobs created are actually permanent jobs? And also did you know that for each job created in the green industry, over 2 jobs are lost in regular industry?

Maybe you prefer believing every word spoken by the great leader.

[chauncy republicans]

No doubt, the planet goes through cycles or warming and cooling. But since mankind started so called industrialization the increase of temperature is bigger than the planet has ever seen before.
Oh, and I prefer dropping trillions of dollars creating jobs in green industry than dropping trillions of dollars in keeping jobs in non-green industry.
Yes your such a good guy, in your modesty you forgot to include condemning millions of African baby's to a death due to the inhalation of burning bio-mass for fuel, and snatching up effective insect repellents from poor third world people, many of whom have no form of modern medicine within hundreds of miles to treat the inevitable malaria outbreaks. Your so noble, shouldn't you be out snatching more inhalers from asthmatics?

[szr]

About skeptics:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Climate_change_scepticsYour source's first source is Wikipedia. Your source also cites anecdotal evidence, not scientific evidence. Hate to do this, but per the "PEMM Rule" I'm gonna have to declare your opinion "worth sh*t". Sorry.

[PEMM]

Your source's first source is Wikipedia. Your source also cites anecdotal evidence, not scientific evidence. Hate to do this, but per the "PEMM Rule" I'm gonna have to declare your opinion "worth sh*t". Sorry.

Well it is worth sh*t, i dont think we were having scientific argument.

PS: My opinion is based on observation on different forums and watching documentaries by skeptics.

[Weasel]

Can that be proven without a shadow of a doubt? ;)

The shadow, if existend ;-), is thin cause scientists can prove earth temperature of the past quite exactly.

[Weasel]

Do you realize that only 1 in 10 of those jobs created are actually permanent jobs? And also did you know that for each job created in the green industry, over 2 jobs are lost in regular industry

Never heard of these numbers before. Any examply why a job in the regular industry got lost cause of the green industry?

[SBL]

The shadow, if existend ;-), is thin cause scientists can prove earth temperature of the past quite exactly.
Oh yeah ?

[MaverickCowboy]

If I am right, even under 8 years neocons, the lower taxes brought no real growth while the world economy rode on a boom.
I guess it's more a structural problem.

so you think over taxation in the crisis is a good idea?

[11 Bravo]

Actually, I'm kinda skeptical myself. Isn't the earth supposed to naturally warm and cool in a regular pattern?

Not that I'm against going Green, but I just don't buy Global Warming just yet.

AEROFLOT ; Since I am also a perpetual dumbarse of the week with the management here I have to agree with you.
Global balogna is just that... BOLOGNA !!!!. I don't eat bologna and I don't eat global bologna propaganda either. I sure wish more asshats here would lay off the global bologna koolaide.

[11 Bravo]

And most Americans don't accept evolution, so I would take the opinions of "Most Americans" with a grain of salt.

I personally have no opinion on global warming because both sides have such a large amount of idiots. It should not be debated however that huge amounts of pollution adversely affects our health and our environment, so what needs to be done in the case of global warming needs to be done even if there isn't global warming.

So you are saying you are directly the ancestor of a monkey per say ?. I don't have any particular belief in 'what' kind of god we do have... but seeing as there is terribly flawed anthropology and this whole we come from monkeys religion with zero proof that this THEORY titled "Evolution" in this context just does not jive.

[Midav]

The shadow, if existend ;-), is thin cause scientists can prove earth temperature of the past quite exactly.

Scientists can't even figure out why mammoths froze in an instant. Some with food still in their mouth.

Until concrete proof is given, it's all still in the air.

[Hollis]

Well it is worth sh*t, i dont think we were having scientific argument.

PS: My opinion is based on observation on different forums and watching documentaries by skeptics.


Get your Doctorate then get back with us with your far reaching conclusions.

[Hollis]

I kind of wish we brought back the MP.NET dumbarse nominations.


I red a scince Bok, I r a scintist now.

[Aeroflot]

:O And I thought for a second I was a step up from 11 Bravo

[Zoomie]

I kind of wish we brought back the MP.NET dumbarse nominations.


I red a scince Bok, I r a scintist now.
If we can't bring them back, can we start another award of a similar dubious nature? p-)

[Midav]

I kind of wish we brought back the MP.NET dumbarse nominations.


I red a scince Bok, I r a scintist now.

Dood. I plays flitesims and know the exakt RCS of teh F-117, B-2 and Aurora. True story, bro.

Uh-oh, gotta leave teh basement. Mommy made dinner.

[PEMM]

Haha, you guys sure are tough. Who fits better your nerdy desrcription? You have thousands of posts here. :D

PS: It just bothers me when people go on to these stupid argument with comments like "how can apple turn in to a car". What bothers me more is that they actually then show that on national-tv and someone actually believes that. Thats what i was commenting on, not for any particular member of the forum.