BBC censors pro-Putin statement made by Chechen in "Ask a panel" Q&A session

[rusak]

This is from a while back (December 2004) and I remember I found it "interesting" then... But I'm bringing it up here now in connection with all the discussions about press freedom in Russia.


So anyway, in December 2004 the BBC website did this "Ask a panel" forum about Chechnya in which the BBC viewers would send in questions to be answered by residents of Grozny. They had this thing up on the BBC's main English-language site and on their Russian-language site.

Here is the English language version: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4078049.stm
And the Russian language version: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/talking_point/newsid_4065000/4065411.stm

However there are some differences...

In the Russian language version there is this question/answer (in Russian):


Считает ли вы, что этот конфликт может быть разрешен, пока Путин остается у власти?
Бритмари,
Москоу, Айдахо, США


Бадруди Эльдаров, пенсионер: Да, считаем! Так как В. Путин и только В. Путин может положить конец этому беспределу. Президент не замешан в начале этого конфликта и он очень много делает для восстановления республики. Translation:


Question: "Do you think that this conflict can be resolved while Putin remains in power?"

- Britmari,
Moscow, Idaho, USA
Answer: "Yes, we do! Since V. Putin and only V. Putin can put an end to this bespredel (~"madness"). The president is not mixed up in the beginning of this conflict and he is doing very much for the restoration of the republic."

- Badrudi Eldarov, pensionerHowever, this question/answer does not appear in the English-language version. Hmm, I wonder why...


I want to say right now that this thread is not pro-Putin or even about Putin. It is about the approach of the BBC and the Western media in general toward the Russian state.


I should note that the BBC's panel included numerous separatist sympathizers, even spokespeople of the Ichkeria movement, like the so-called "philosopher". So they somehow managed to squeeze in and include in the English-language version their brilliant and factually correct statements like:


Every second child in Chechnya is chronically ill.

As a result of bombings, mopping-up operations and forced migration, according to unofficial estimates, there is only one man per 20 women in the republic.
The war was started by Russia, and Russia is to blame for what happens in Chechnya now.
Make Russian extradite war criminals to the international tribunal.
Judging from the personal experiences of living in Chechnya as a part of Russia, and from what people think, it transpires that only independence will give the Chechens a chance to survive.
But without independence, there will be no life at all. However, it seems preferable to live in a large democratic state, which Russia will never be.
Only powerful pressure from the international community may force the Kremlin to take steps aimed at stabilising the situation in Chechnya.
Somehow they didn't "forget" to include any of that.


So what do you think about this? Honest mistake by the Beeb? :)

[Russianlynxy]

LOL. you must not forget that one of the biggest Chechen terrorists of the "Ichkeria" movement - Zakhaev received political asylum in Great Britain.

It is also worth mentioning that he is in close relations with Boris Berezovsky (the Russian oligarch who brought Putin to power and who eventually got f** over by Putin, seeking refuge in eternally hostile Britain). He was also close comrades with the dead Alexander Litvinenko... who is said to have converted to Wahhabi Islam on his deathbed.

Borya still has some money left over so it will not surprise me if he is stirring up all this BS in the British media toward Russia. After all, what else is a loser criminal to do when all his efforts against his personal grudge Putin, even his efforts to "overthrow Putin by force" (as he threatened in 2006) are futile.

So why in the hell would BBC would post anything short of propaganda?

[tercio67]

So, was the there something added to the Russian version, or was there something omitted in the English version?
That should be your real question.

[Snoshi]

Бадруди Эльдаров, пенсионер: Да, считаем! Так как В. Путин и только В. Путин может положить конец этому беспределу. Президент не замешан в начале этого конфликта и он очень много делает для восстановления республики.
This sounds something that a fanboi would say..

In Putin we trust!!

[Elbs]

This sounds something that a fanboi would say..

In Putin we trust!!

IN B4 RuSsIA StrONG!!!11!!one! sh*tstorm

[Kilgor]

Maybe you can have a round of drinks with Some Irsaeli's and American's and have a sook about how the BBC is biased against them too :roll:

[Arfah]

So, was the there something added to the Russian version, or was there something omitted in the English version?
That should be your real question.

Agreed !

The BBC may not be perfect, it is funded by the taxpayer and belongs to the citizens of the U.K. :roll: It has had moments of biased broadcasting in the past but usually this has been against the government of the time. The BBC does operate within strict rules and guidelines and all U.K. broadcasting is monitored by an independent authority with the power to levy fines in the case of any breaches.

The BBC certainly isn't a political voice or a propaganda tool for the U.K. government. :bash:

As for Chechenya. NFI,DFC !

[a_very_ex_STAB]

If you foreign numpties want to whinge about the BBC - then pay the Fcuking license fee (you're quite welcome to pay mine for me) or shut the fcuk up :bash:

[rusak]

So, was the there something added to the Russian version, or was there something omitted in the English version?
That should be your real question.
Added by who, Putin's hackers? The Russian version is still the BBC website, it's the same organization. Furthermore, the Russian version is the original version of this sh!t, it was even posted about 5.5 hours earlier than the English version (which is a translation of the Russian version). In the English version, some of the original statements appear cut down (shortened) or the wording is changed, apparently to make some of this lunatic nonsense the separatist sympathizers were saying seem somehow more "reasonable". For example, in the English version there is this:

"As a result of bombings, mopping-up operations and forced migration, according to unofficial estimates, there is only one man per 20 women in the republic."

Whereas in the Russian version, it does not say "according to unofficial estimates" but rather "according to various unofficial information" (ie kavkazcenter BS) and then there is an entire sentence which does not appear in the English version:

"Эта цифра, повторюсь, неофициальная и, я думаю, при официальном подсчете картина может оказаться еще более удручающей."
Translation: "This figure (20 women per 1 man), I repeat, is not official, and I think that after an official count the picture may turn out even more disheartening."

Obviously the whole sentence is just buffoonish nonsense, idiotic BS and just makes the person stating it look even more like a complete nutbag, so I guess the folks at the Beeb decided it was "unnecessary" and removed it.

[big_les]

Never assume conspiracy where incompetence is a sufficient explanation. Bad translation?

Or, what you may be seeing is whoever does the translation placing their own individual political bias onto the translations. Not institutional. If anything the BBC are TOO impartial and refuse to get behind whichever side has the preponderance of evidence in its favour. And as already said, they are hardly on the side of the UK government.

Anyway, why are you complaining to us and not the BBC?

[rusak]

Never assume conspiracy where incompetence is a sufficient explanation. Bad translation?

Or, what you may be seeing is whoever does the translation placing their own individual political bias onto the translations. Not institutional. If anything the BBC are TOO impartial and refuse to get behind whichever side has the preponderance of evidence in its favour. And as already said, they are hardly on the side of the UK government.

Anyway, why are you complaining to us and not the BBC?
So leaving out an entire question-and-answer is a "bad translation" now? Honest mistake by the Beeb? So they just accidentally left out the one statement that doesn't make the Russian government look bad while showing all the kavkazcenter BS?

[tea drinker]

Agreed !

The BBC may not be perfect, it is funded by the taxpayer and belongs to the citizens of the U.K. :roll: It has had moments of biased broadcasting in the past but usually this has been against the government of the time. The BBC does operate within strict rules and guidelines and all U.K. broadcasting is monitored by an independent authority with the power to levy fines in the case of any breaches.

The BBC certainly isn't a political voice or a propaganda tool for the U.K. government. :bash:

As for Chechenya. NFI,DFC !
BBC is fairly good, generally unbiased, and source their own news, so they form their own opionions, rather then inherit a biased one from someone else. They, are not without fault, but I haven't got a specific example to hand, so enough about that. There are systems to allow Gov manipulation but it's not any kind of everyday situation which would allow that. You are mistaken if you think an independant authority (ofcom?), most likely paid for by Gov in some fashion, is going to interfere when the chips are down.

Sky news is feckin dog**** though, you name it they are guilty of it!

[tea drinker]

BBC is fairly good, generally unbiased, and source their own news, so they form their own opionions, rather then inherit a biased one from someone else. They, are not without fault, but I haven't got a specific example to hand, so enough about that. There are systems to allow Gov manipulation but it's not any kind of everyday situation which would allow that. You are mistaken if you think an independant authority (ofcom?), most likely paid for by Gov in some fashion, is going to interfere when the chips are down.

Sky news is feckin dog**** though, you name it they are guilty of it!


Anyway, why are you complaining to us and not the BBC?
Yes, do this, and let us know how it went.
I done it with Sky, and while pleased I got a response from the upper level, ultimately I felt I was talking to an automaton.

edit: LOL now I am quoting myself WTF

[ilmakas]

He was also close comrades with the dead Alexander Litvinenko... who is said to have converted to Wahhabi Islam on his deathbed.



what? any links, more info?

[Russianlynxy]

what? any links, more info?

easy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article664318.ece

[big_les]

So leaving out an entire question-and-answer is a "bad translation" now? Honest mistake by the Beeb? So they just accidentally left out the one statement that doesn't make the Russian government look bad while showing all the kavkazcenter BS?

Fair enough, not a translation issue. That still leaves;

1) left out by accident
2) more plausibly, personal agenda by the admin/translator/whoever's responsible for transferring Russian language comments to the English language pages.

Again, have you complained to the BBC?

Dollars to doughnuts this is not an institutional thing. The vast majority at the BBC either couldn't care less about the problems of the countries in question, or as I said before would actually go out of their way to be impartial about it.

[Russianlynxy]

Dollars to doughnuts this is not an institutional thing. The vast majority at the BBC either couldn't care less about the problems of the countries in question, or as I said before would actually go out of their way to be impartial about it.

I guess it's all about who writes the check. If I had that kind of money we could be discussing why polar bears are becoming a problem of national security on Canada's northern frontier.

[spider1]

Well, the BBC is also like that on Israel almost all their reports are pro-arab like they are anti Russia(or at least far from posting positive things on Russia). I can understand your anger.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well, the BBC is also like that on Israel almost all their reports are pro-arab like they are anti Russia(or at least far from posting positive things on Russia). I can understand your anger.

Bullsh1t
123456

[spider1]

On the Israeli-arab conflict its clearly they are biased. Read some of their atricles if you didnt read and then you will understand on what im talking about especally in war times(like in Lebanon and Gaza).

[a_very_ex_STAB]

On the Israeli-arab conflict its clearly they are biased. Read some of their atricles if you didnt read and then you will understand on what im talking about especally in war times(like in Lebanon and Gaza).

Are you in the UK? Do you listen to/ watch or read BBC coverage every day like I do?

According to the Iranians the BBC is part of some of some kind of Zionist conspiracy to achieve world domination against islam FFS.

So tell me which particular set of accusers is right? The answer is neither :roll::bash:

[spider1]

I enter a lot their site BBC.CO.UK and in the Gaza war i saw little bit BBC on the tv(i dont know why we have it in Israel)and its clearly they are biased.

[russoserb]

BBC sure has it's cliches.

[Fat Lazy American]

The BBC is anti-Israel, anti-Russia and anti-Iranian. It's very pro-PLO and fairly neutral towards Hamas and Hezbollah.

That the Iranian government sees criticism of itself as "Zionist" doesn't make it so. The BBC can be (and is) opposed to the Iranian government and anti-Zionist at the same time.

Jeremy Bowen hates Israel down to his very core and he is the BBC's Middle East editor. He may well have good reasons for this, but such an emotional involvement is not conducive to unbiased reporting.

[spider1]

If we had a government with respect they would kick BBC and the Hamas tv from here(al jazeera).

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Are you in the UK? Do you listen to/ watch or read BBC coverage every day like I do?

According to the Iranians the BBC is part of some of some kind of Zionist conspiracy to achieve world domination against islam FFS.

So tell me which particular set of accusers is right? The answer is neither :roll::bash:Not to mention the growing number of Brits that think the BBC is a Zionist front.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I enter a lot their site BBC.CO.UK and in the Gaza war i saw little bit BBC on the tv(i dont know why we have it in Israel)and its clearly they are biased.

You saw a little bit on the TV:roll:

Thanks that tells me all I need to know about your credibility on this issue

[a_very_ex_STAB]

The BBC is anti-Israel, anti-Russia and anti-Iranian. It's very pro-PLO and fairly neutral towards Hamas and Hezbollah.

That the Iranian government sees criticism of itself as "Zionist" doesn't make it so. The BBC can be (and is) opposed to the Iranian government and anti-Zionist at the same time.

Jeremy Bowen hates Israel down to his very core and he is the BBC's Middle East editor. He may well have good reasons for this, but such an emotional involvement is not conducive to unbiased reporting.

Fcuk off.
You're a w@nker
Try discussing something you actually know about in future.
Or are you just too fat and lazy and American as you suggest? :roll:

[spider1]

You saw a little bit on the TV:roll:

Thanks that tells me all I need to know about your credibility on this issue
In their web site you also can see biased articles you dont need to listen to reporters.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

In their web site you also can see biased articles you dont need to listen to reporters.

There's also been plenty of coverage of Hezzie and HAMAS rocket attacks against Israeli towns, suicide bombers etc etc

But of course you're blind to that.

If you want a Zionist version of Pravda - pay for it. Or shut the fcuk up

[spider1]

Be like Fox:)

[Pars]

Be like Fox:)

moar Glenn Beck plz? No thanks.

[RIPTIDE]

The BBC is a puppet of the upcoming caliphate, designed to brianwash Brits and other feebles. :D

[a_very_ex_STAB]

The BBC is a puppet of the upcoming caliphate, designed to brianwash Brits and other feebles. :D

Says a brainwashed neo Soviet Wannabee (who's conveniently forgetting that the Russian Federation has had a much bigger problem with radical islam over the last 15 years than Britain has :roll:)

[RIPTIDE]

Says a brainwashed neo Soviet Wannabee (who's conveniently forgetting that the Russian Federation has had a much bigger problem with radical islam over the last 15 years than Britain has :roll:)
Thats what you call a swing and miss. Pour me out another Linden Village :).

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Thats what you call a swing and miss. Pour me out another Linden Village :).

How much ketamine have you and your gopniki friends had today then comrade ;-)

[RIPTIDE]

How much ketamine have you and your gopniki friends had today then comrade ;-)
I ain't your Comrade.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I ain't your Comrade.

I wondered how long it would take you to work that out. I could almost hear the cogs whirring in your tiny mind :roll:

[RIPTIDE]

I wondered how long it would take you to work that out. I could almost hear the cogs whirring in your tiny mind :roll:
Well done, Chap.

http://www.itchyi.co.uk/storage/chav2.jpg

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well done, Chap.



But you and your gopniki Putin fanboy friends do it with so much more style ;-)

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/26/86/26086293_gopniki_4.jpg

[RIPTIDE]

But you and your gopniki Putin fanboy friends do it with so much more style ;-)


When I said "Swing and Miss" earlier you should have realised you're barking up the wrong tree and took the hint.... ;)

Mate of yours?

http://www.thepete.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ultimate_scum_chav11.jpg

[a_very_ex_STAB]

When I said "Swing and Miss" earlier you should have realised you're barking up the wrong tree and took the hint.... ;)


You're simply in denial of your true nature but don't worry you can be re-educated

[RIPTIDE]

You're simply in denial of your true nature but don't worry you can be re-educated
Is that it? :roll: I was hoping for something more entertaining.

Anyway back on topic:
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_h7CJteTPowo/SJyPbynWAPI/AAAAAAAAEvc/3-o6Ny0YokI/s400/bbc%2Bnews.jpg

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Is that it? :roll: I was hoping for something more entertaining.

Anyway back on topic:
http://heady.co.uk/politics/rip_news_24_2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_h7CJteTPowo/SJyPbynWAPI/AAAAAAAAEvc/3-o6Ny0YokI/s400/bbc%2Bnews.jpg


RIPnews

For breathless 24-hour coverage of your boyfriend Mr V. Putin opening new tractor factories for the grateful proletariat :)

[RIPTIDE]

RIPnews

For breathless 24-hour coverage of your boyfriend Mr V. Putin opening new tractor factories for the grateful proletariat :)
For 24hr news of Marshall Brown making a cnut of himself. :)

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/600721/image.axd.jpg

[a_very_ex_STAB]

For 24hr news of Marshall Brown making a cnut of himself. :)

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/600721/image.axd.jpg

Stop trying to ingratiate yourself by agreeing with me about Gordon Brown. We all know he is one of your Soviet sleeper agents who has been left over from the 1980s ;-)

[RIPTIDE]

Stop trying to ingratiate yourself by agreeing with me about Gordon Brown. We all know he is one of your Soviet sleeper agents who has been left over from the 1980s ;-)
It would be you agreeing with me, I said he was a cnut first. And don't let your arrogance run away with yourself old chap. Nobody's trying to be your buddy, "comrade" or friend here. Just remember that and we'll get along mighty good. :slap:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

It would be you agreeing with me, I said he was a cnut first. And don't let your arrogance run away with yourself old chap. Nobody's trying to be your buddy, "comrade" or friend here. Just remember that and we'll get along mighty good. :slap:

Ah but I've been calling Brown a cnut ever since he first came to my attention in 1997. Now stop being a light-weight 'Johnny come lately' :bash:

[TR1]

oh, ex=stab acting butthurt about Russia again. For someone who claims not to care, he seems all too keen to post in Russian threads.

I am still waiting for his proof of Chinese military superiority though.....

[PH961]

What do you have to say about this article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/09/opinion/main5147076.shtml

In my opinion the article is mostly rubbish.

It is funny how Russia is according to western press either an authoritarian dictatorship ready to annex it's neighbors or a really, really weak nation ready to collapse at any moment.

Let's take a closer look what was written in the article.


The long-term problems of Washington's relations with Moscow can be traced to two very simple acts of self-delusion. The first is that the current Russian government refuses to accept that they are not in the same position of world dominance that the then-Soviet Union was some four decades ago. The second is that the U.S. and other western nations continue to refuse to acknowledge the depth and severity of Russia's internal decline. This results in the rest of the world extending to Russia trappings of a great power (i.e. membership in the G8 and World Trade Organization) for which they are neither eligible nor deserve. There are three things wrong in this paragraph.

1. Russia realizes that it is not a superpower anymore, but it also realizes that it is not the 1990's anymore when Russia could be pushed around at will. Russia's goal is not to dominate the entire planet (like the US tries to do) but rather preserve it's current borders, and gradually grow it's economy and influence in it's near abroad.

2. The West is aware of the depth and severity of Russia's internal decline, which is not as big as the author of the article claims.

3. Russian WTO membership has nothing to do whether Russia "deserves" to be there or not. Russia being out of the organization is purely a political decision. Of course Russia "deserves" to be in the WTO considering that Russia is by far the biggest economy outside WTO. Leaving Russia out of the WTO is along the same lines with Jackson-Vanik amendmend of disturbing Russia's economic growth and development, althought in many ways Russia may even benefit from being out of the WTO.



The truth is that today's Russia is a shambles and has none of the influence that the Soviet Union enjoyed on the international stage. Years of neglect or just plain refusing to face reality has produced a country that the Wilson Centre's famous Russian population trends expert, Murray Feshbach, describes as "not just sick but dying." Aside from an infrastructure that sometimes makes one wonder why the Upper Volga region of Russia was not renamed "Upper Volta" (before that country was renamed Burkino Faso) a long time ago, population trends are noting short of apocalyptic.The author is somewhat right that Russia lacks international influence. The best example of this is that Nicaraqua is so far the only nation besides Russia that has recognized SO and Abkhazia. Not even traditional allies like Armenia and Belarus, or Iran and Venezuela, have recognized SO and Abkhazia. If Russia had true international influence more nations would have recognized SO and Abkhazia.

But the claim of Russia "dying" and "apocalyptic population trend" is wrong. The author has apparently not checked the latest demographic data of Russia which has been improving quite nicely.



Life expectancy in Russian males is falling, and its disparity with female life expectancy is unprecedented for a nation that calls itself a modern, industrialized state. Infant mortality is rising, female fertility (and hence birth rates) is dropping, and the level of both HIV/AIDs and TB is climbing towards epidemic proportions. Deaths due to cancer, heart disease and alcoholism are also off the charts. Average alcohol consumption in Russia, Feshbach points out, is double what the WHO considers to be a level that is hazardous to health. This paragraph contains many outright lies.

1. Life expectancy of Russian males has not been falling since early 2000's.
2. Infant mortality is not rising but falling. The recent official data from Russia says that the infant mortality rate has significantly dropped in 2007-2009.
3.The level of HIV/AIDS has stayed quite stable in Russia during the whole 2000's. The western predictions (hopes?) that Russian HIV level will reach the level of sub-Saharan Africa has not come true by a longshot.

The author also failed to mention about the climbing birth rates in recent years. Demographics is a problem for Russia mainly because of the small age groups born in the 1990's, but the situation can still be reversed. One of the keys are the women born in 1975-1985. These women will have to have lots of babies during the next ten years because of the small age groups born after them.


There is, however, little evidence that the leadership in the Kremlin is even remotely aware of the demographic disaster in the making.
Another outright lie. The Russian government has named the demographic decline as the single biggest problem that Russia is facing and has granted families that have their 2nd and 3rd children extra benefits.


Alcoholism's impact on society is Exhibit A of how far out of touch the present leadership is with the man on the street. Just one week ago Russian president Dmitri Medvedev held a meeting with his Minister for Health and Social Development and stated, "I was astonished to learn that we now drink more than we did in the 1990s, although those were very tough times."
This is absolutely true and there has been little improvement in alcoholism in Russia. The alcohol consumption has even risen since 1990's, but the good thing is that many people have switched Vodka to beer and cider.


Memo to Medvedev: Inflation is out of control, unemployment is climbing by the day, banks are failing and people's savings are being stolen, entire cities are in danger of becoming ghost towns due to the failure of the community's one major industrial enterprise, and thanks to artificially inflated and out-of-control real estate prices most people have no hope of ever owning their own apartment.1. Inflation has been falling lately.
2. Unemployment is climbing but the unemployment in Russia is not that much bigger than in the US.
3. People's savings are being stolen? What is he talking about?
4. Russian banks have survived the crises fairly well thanks to state support.
5. The author is right that many towns are in big trouble because they depend on one industry/factory. This is a problem for the whole country: undiversified economy.


But if the Russian leadership is living in a fool's paradise, western nations have been the worst sort of enablers. Collectively they have outdone themselves in obsequiousness by granting Russia membership in international organizations and seats on major multinational bodies that it has no business even being considered for. What is this clown babbling about here? G8 is the only international organization that Russia has been granted a membership after the fall of the USSR, and G8 is mostly a symbolic organization with no meaningful value to Russia.


Russia was equally unqualified to join the World Trade Organization (WTO), which may explain why PM Putin appeared to overrule his own president and decided that the whole WTO effort should be abandoned in favor of a customs union with Belarus and Kazakhstan. This is perhaps the clearest signal that Moscow has no real interest in being a partner with the West-What a fool this author is! First he claims that Russia does not deserve a place in the WTO, but then he accuses Putin of isolating Russia from the West for not continuing to seek for a membership in the WTO. Hasn't the West done the isolating part itself by continuing to block Russia's membership in the WTO? Maybe Putin made the right conclusion that Russia will never be let to join to organization.


Plus--once again--the needs of the already-driven-to-drink ordinary population are being subjugated to the interests of a few in the Kremlin. The Russian people might do well by joining the WTO, but this carries no weight when those around Putin and Medvedev see little personal gain for themselves in the process. They have turned away from the WTO for the simple reason that they can instead earn a cornucopia of kickbacks by forming an economic bloc with the kleptocracies of their former Soviet brethren.
The numbskull continues to claim that "Kremlin kleptocrats" "turned away" from the WTO when the fact is that Russia has actively tried to join the organization from 1991 to 2009 - that is for 18 years - without being let in, while former USSR republics and economic basket cases such as Georgia and Ukraine were let in for political reasons. If this is not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

[big_les]

Instead of bitching online about it, why not contact these people (re the BBC, natch)?

http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/process.html

[a_very_ex_STAB]

oh, ex=stab acting butthurt about Russia again. For someone who claims not to care, he seems all too keen to post in Russian threads.

I am still waiting for his proof of Chinese military superiority though.....

It's rather revealing about your state of mind that you keep trying to say that. Perhaps you are feeling a little 'blue' today comrade? If you protest any more vigorously take care that you don't burst out of your closet ;-)

Perhaps you need V. Putin to 'batter you round the ring again'?

In case you hadn't noticed as this thread contains whiny Russians complaining again about how the BBC isn't their unpaid propaganda ministry it kind of makes it a British thread as well :roll:

Do try and keep up :)

[Russianlynxy]

It's rather revealing about your state of mind that you keep trying to say that. Perhaps you are feeling a little 'blue' today comrade? If you protest any more vigorously take care that you don't burst out of your closet ;-)

Perhaps you need V. Putin to 'batter you round the ring again'?

In case you hadn't noticed as this thread contains whiny Russians complaining again about how the BBC isn't their unpaid propaganda ministry it kind of makes it a British thread as well :roll:

Do try and keep up :)

Honestly, cut the flamebait you chav. Offer something relevant to the topic or gtfo.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Honestly, cut the flamebait you chav. Offer something relevant to the topic or gtfo.

Who died and left you in charge?
Why don't you give us in Britain a good reason why the BBC or any other British news organisation should be Putin's propaganda organization? He already has the Russian media and you fanboys grabbing your ankles for him. If you want propaganda tell your glorious leader to pay the license fee or shut your mouths and quit your whining.:roll:

[RIPTIDE]

Who died and left you in charge?
Why don't you give us in Britain a good reason why the BBC or any other British news organisation should be Putin's propaganda organization? He already has the Russian media and you fanboys grabbing your ankles for him. If you want propaganda tell your glorious leader to pay the license fee or shut your mouths and quit your whining.:roll:
You pay the license fee for me who then gets it on Aldi/Lidl Satellite... for nuttin'. :) Iz Nice!

http://h2dj.com/uclaradionews/files/borat-high-five.jpg

[Russianlynxy]

Who died and left you in charge?
Why don't you give us in Britain a good reason why the BBC or any other British news organisation should be Putin's propaganda organization? He already has the Russian media and you fanboys grabbing your ankles for him. If you want propaganda tell your glorious leader to pay the license fee or shut your mouths and quit your whining.:roll:

hm. Where in that post did I say I want an overseas propaganda organization? :bash: anyways...

I could care less what a bunch of islanders think about Russia or Russians for that matter. Truth be told I doubt alot of Englishmen care for what goes on in Russia or Ukraine, Georgia, etc.. for that matter. As Russians could really care less for whatever ethnic conflict goes on within Great Britain. BBC simply takes a check from a few fat bastards who either got themselves/their business exiled from Russia at some point, therefore the coverage is meant to please their political tastes, and maybe some Thatcherite hardliners who masturbate over the nostalgia for the good ol' empire. That's about it.

Therefore BBC cannot possible call itself news, since it focuses on what a small group of people want to hear and ignore what actually matters.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

hm. Where in that post did I say I want an overseas propaganda organization? :bash: anyways...

That being the blindingly obvious interpretation to draw on the basis of the output of the Russian hive mind on here :roll:



BBC simply takes a check from a few fat bastards who either got themselves/their business exiled from Russia at some point, therefore the coverage is meant to please their political tastes, and maybe some Thatcherite hardliners who masturbate over the nostalgia for the good ol' empire.

Wow some prejudices and deep ignorance of the BBC etc showing there.

On the first point got any proof? I doubt it very much

On the second point - you are obviously completely unaware of the 'history' between the BBC and the so-called Thatcherites and indeed Mrs Thatcher herself. :roll:

Does the term 'Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation' ring any bells? ;-)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

You pay the license fee for me who then gets it on Aldi/Lidl Satellite... for nuttin'. :) Iz Nice!



All you whiny Putin fanboyz have to do is go here Then you can stop boring us to death :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/


I'll even draft the letter for you


'Dear Auntie Beeb

I'm a whiny, glue sniffing Russian gopniki who's been let out onto the internet at Nashi summer camp. The Putin Jugend taught me to use computer to complain that your impudent reporters have failed to meet their Russia STRONG!!!!!!!!!1111111 production norms. Don't you know we are Nigeria with rockets?

Bye bye'

I am sure that will elicit the correct response :roll:

[Holycrusader]

You must be really butthurted by Russians in the past. Condolences Stab....

[spider1]

If i will send a complaint with a link to a biased article they will respond?...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

You must be really butthurted by Russians in the past. Condolences Stab....

There's another 'old comrade' who can't seem to get homo******ity out of his tiny mind ;-) Be careful or you'll burst out of your closet too just like your mates earlier on in this thread ;-)

Sorry to disappoint you comrade. The opposite is actually true. I know quite a few Russians as I have friends who live in Moscow, St Petersburg and Vladikavkaz but the inside track that I get from them never matches the Putin fanboy BS that you lot on here always spout ;-)

TTFN

[a_very_ex_STAB]

If i will send a complaint with a link to a biased article they will respond?...

Well why don't you try? :roll:

Are you waiting for permission or something?

[spider1]

Well why don't you try? :roll:

Are you waiting for permission or something?
No. I only wanted to know if its worth it because im not going to search for biased articles for nothing.

[Holycrusader]

There's another 'old comrade' who can't seem to get homo******ity out of his tiny mind ;-) Be careful or you'll burst out of your closet too just like your mates earlier on in this thread ;-)

Sorry to disappoint you comrade. The opposite is actually true. I know quite a few Russians as I have friends who live in Moscow, St Petersburg and Vladikavkaz but the inside track that I get from them never matches the Putin fanboy BS that you lot on here always spout ;-)

TTFN

Im from Poland and just to try to understand your obsession. EOT from me.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Im from Poland and just to try to understand your obsession. EOT from me.


Surely if you're from Poland then you must be the one who 'has been butthurted by Russians' as you so elegantly put it (quite a few times throughout history I should imagine) ;-)

[Holycrusader]

Surely if you're from Poland then you must be the one who 'has been butthurted by Russians' as you so elegantly put it (quite a few times throughout history I should imagine) ;-)


I see a difference between nowadays Russians and SU and Imperial Russia. Can you imagine that?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I see a difference between nowadays Russians and SU and Imperial Russia. Can you imagine that?

Sure irt 'people' but not at the level that actually matters

[a_very_ex_STAB]

No. I only wanted to know if its worth it because im not going to search for biased articles for nothing.

What you mean is you're not really confident of your evidence so you'll just moan about it on here instead of trying to do the hard stuff :roll:

[RIPTIDE]

I know quite a few Russians as I have friends who live in Moscow, St Petersburg and Vladikavkaz but the inside track that I get from them never matches the Putin fanboy BS that you lot on here always spout ;-)

Sure you do. :) Are they real or makey uppy friends.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Sure you do. :) Are they real or makey uppy friends.

So I should give names, addresses and phone numbers of our friends and former colleagues to the Putin Jugend? :roll:

I don't think so.
Especially not in a place like Vladikavkaz

[RIPTIDE]

So I should give names, addresses and phone numbers of our friends and former colleagues to the Putin Jugend? :roll:

I don't think so.
Especially not in a place like Vladikavkaz
No. My little black book is already full of mail order "wives". :)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

No. My little black book is already full of mail order "wives". :)

I did get the impression from your earlier post that you seemed a little 'startled' by the concept of other people having something called 'friends' and former colleagues. You really must make more of an effort to get out of that sperm fragranced bed-sit of yours you know ;-)

[TR1]

You must be really butthurted by Russians in the past. Condolences Stab....
I think you are on to something, that word really gets him riled. rofl

[RIPTIDE]

I did get the impression from your earlier post that you seemed a little 'startled' by the concept of other people having something called 'friends' and former colleagues. You really must make more of an effort to get out of that sperm fragranced bed-sit of yours you know ;-)
Ha! I can almost smell the faeces from your council house. :) Next time you mail order a bride, make sure she's toilet trained. Having teeth is not the only requirement. ;)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Ha! I can almost smell the faeces from your council house. :) Next time you mail order a bride, make sure she's toilet trained. Having teeth is not the only requirement. ;)


You seem very familiar with council house accommodation (fortunately much more so than me :)) You need to be careful of your PERSEC you 're giving us too many hints about your sad little muzhik life comrade ;-)

It's most interesting to see how the Putin fanboy hive mind reacts to the BBC excising a clumsy and obviously planted pro Putin comment from its programming. It must be so frustrating for you and your dear leader that you can't simply have the journos 're-educated' like Anna Politovskaya and Natalya Estemirova rofl

Like I said before 'Nigeria with rockets' ;-)

[TR1]

Yeah just like you said before "China is stronger than Russia militarily".

the problem was...when called out on it, you simply had nothing to back it up with.

good day!

calling Russia Nigeria with rockets does nothing but show your own immaturity.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Yeah just like you said before "China is stronger than Russia militarily".

the problem was...when called out on it, you simply had nothing to back it up with.

good day!

calling Russia Nigeria with rockets does nothing but show your own immaturity.

Well seeing as I was born in Nigeria, lived there for a while as a kid, visited again as an adult, have relatives who have also lived and worked there and have visited Russia and have friends and former colleagues who live there I am qualified to make the comparison comrade.:roll:

Why don't you like the Nigeria comparison? Were you 'butthurted' (as your comrades so elegantly put it) by an African or something rofl

As for China they have more than enough capability to take some lebensraum off you in your thinly populated far east. Should be interesting to watch on TV ;-)

[Awatron]

@exSTAB

Whats your problem? Seriously! Can you contirbute something else but personal insults? C'mon, how old are you? So you are russophobe, thats ok, we all now it already. Please contibute something else to this thread or leave. Just go watch some BBC or smth...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

@exSTAB

Whats your problem? Seriously! Can you contirbute something else but personal insults? C'mon, how old are you? So you are russophobe, thats ok, we all now it already. Please contibute something else to this thread or leave. Just go watch some BBC or smth...

Who died and left you in charge?

I'm not a Russophobe. I've got friends in Russia.
You fanboyz can't seem to get in to your thick skulls that just because someone has a negative opinion of Putin and certain aspects of your system of government it doesn't mean they hate Russia :roll:

[Holycrusader]

This thread was killed by some butthurted russophobe long time ago...
RIP thread.

[sarhat]

Who died and left you in charge?

I'm not a Russophobe. I've got friends in Russia.
You fanboyz can't seem to get in to your thick skulls that just because someone has a negative opinion of Putin and certain aspects of your system of government it doesn't mean they hate Russia :roll:

heh, I would like to drink with you :)

everything not so one-sided, how it showed on TV (russian and british)
if you have friends in Russia, hope, you understand it

[a_very_ex_STAB]

heh, I would like to drink with you :)

everything not so one-sided, how it showed on TV (russian and british)
if you have friends in Russia, hope, you understand it

Mine's a Laphroaig - but I have been known to drink vodka occasionally ;-)

I think we've all vented enough now. I'm out.

[Awatron]

Who died and left you in charge?

I'm not a Russophobe. I've got friends in Russia.
You fanboyz can't seem to get in to your thick skulls that just because someone has a negative opinion of Putin and certain aspects of your system of government it doesn't mean they hate Russia

Uuuh, what a snappy remark. How witty:roll:

So, everybody is a fanboy, cause he is against

certain aspects of your
BBC?

But you are not a russophobe, cause you have friends in Russia?

Thats the most favorit defence of racists. "I'm not a racist, I have black friends!"

Keep it cool, Tommy.

[RIPTIDE]

You seem very familiar with council house accommodation (fortunately much more so than me :)) You need to be careful of your PERSEC you 're giving us too many hints about your sad little muzhik life comrade ;-)

It's most interesting to see how the Putin fanboy hive mind reacts to the BBC excising a clumsy and obviously planted pro Putin comment from its programming. It must be so frustrating for you and your dear leader that you can't simply have the journos 're-educated' like Anna Politovskaya and Natalya Estemirova rofl

Like I said before 'Nigeria with rockets' ;-)
I'd be more familiar with council houses as I was born and bred a lot closer to you now than to Moscow. :) Like I said twice before... barkin' up the wrong tree there, fellow. Its awesome that you're laughing about a murdered woman before shes even cold. :roll: Well done. I couldn't have expected much more.

[rusak]

I know quite a few Russians as I have friends who live in Moscow, St Petersburg and Vladikavkaz but the inside track that I get from them never matches the Putin fanboy BS that you lot on here always spout ;-)
Honestly, you're an idiot. You're an idiot for thinking that you could lie like this and wouldn't get called on it. You're lying and doing a very poor job, might I add. You're talking nonsense, thinking you wouldn't get called on it? "Inside track" - f*ck outta here. There is no "inside track" in Russia where statements like this would get any traction:
It must be so frustrating for you and your dear leader that you can't simply have the journos 're-educated' like Anna Politovskaya and Natalya EstemirovaLike, dude, that is just soooooo retarted. Not even retarded, I said retarted. Just typical British garbage. You have no idea of what you're talking about, you know nothing about Russia and you're talking wild nonsense. That's what it is.

You don't have any friends in Russia, STAB. You're obviously lying. Stop making things up, you look like a clown and there are people here (ahem) who will expose you. If you claim that you're not lying, then prove it. Get these people (your imaginary friends) to post on this forum and corroborate the monkey sh!t that appears in your posts. Bet you can't.


It's most interesting to see how the Putin fanboy hive mind reacts to the BBC excising a clumsy and obviously planted pro Putin comment from its programming.Planted by who and how exactly? They (BBC) removed that one "comment" but other answers from that same individual still appear in the English version. And why wasn't it removed from the Russian version? The Russian version was created first and the English version was based on the Russian version. The Russian-language BBC is still the same BBC swine, same organization, same website, same anti-Russian agenda. Furthermore, there is nothing particularly "clumsy" about that statement, it's a normal statement. The translation of it may seem somewhat unusual or "clumsy" to people unfamiliar with the Russian language, but in Russian it's not clumsy.

[rusak]

Some people here asked, "well why don't you complain to the BBC?"

Uh, dude, come on...

I think it should be pretty obvious that the idea here is to demonstrate that the BBC is biased toward the Russian state, bringing this up as an example of it, and to discredit the BBC coverage of Russia. Complaining to them and asking them to fix this is not part of it. The idea is to discredit swine. If afterward, they want to address their "mistakes" of the last 80 years or whatever it is, that's on them.

[yydebox1]

Some people here asked, "well why don't you complain to the BBC?"

Uh, dude, come on...

I think it should be pretty obvious that the idea here is to demonstrate that the BBC is biased toward the Russian state, bringing this up as an example of it, and to discredit the BBC coverage of Russia. Complaining to them and asking them to fix this is not part of it. The idea is to discredit swine. If afterward, they want to address their "mistakes" of the last 80 years or whatever it is, that's on them.
Not only Russia but also China and someplace they just dislike.

BBC become more biased when Xinhua become less biased,maybe the Soviet Union of Great Britain will born soon and chinese will send more students there to learn modern communism especially in the area of promulgate.rofl

[a_very_ex_STAB]

You internet Putin fanboyz are a most interesting psychological case study :-)

It's almost like you enjoy the fact that Putin's kleptocratic clique have been a$$rapiing your country for years now. A kind of weird collective Stockholm syndrome where you have become so accustomed to it that you have in some way fallen in love with your jailers. :roll:

But you are making progress you have come a long way. You are Nigeria with rockets but only 20 years ago you were Upper Volta with rockets. Keep on banging those rocks together maybe one day you'll make fire.:)

[Holycrusader]

You internet Putin fanboyz are a most interesting psychological case study :-)

It's almost like you enjoy the fact that Putin's kleptocratic clique have been a$$rapiing your country for years now. A kind of weird collective Stockholm syndrome where you have become so accustomed to it that you have in some way fallen in love with your jailers. :roll:

But you are making progress you have come a long way. You are Nigeria with rockets but only 20 years ago you were Upper Volta with rockets. Keep on banging those rocks together maybe one day you'll make fire.:)

Can you analyse progress of your own country too?

[RIPTIDE]

Can you analyse progress of your own country too?
Great until some Scottish Communist took it over. :D

[Holycrusader]

Great until some Scottish Communist took it over. :D
... soon takeover by polish plumbers...

[Awatron]

@STAB Well, if GB ist so cool, why is your Empire so small today?

P.S. I thought you were out?


I think we've all vented enough now. I'm out.

[Holycrusader]

@STAB Well, if GB ist so cool, why is your Empire so small today?

P.S. I thought you were out?

GB is strange example of exempire that is now governed by its own former colony...

ps. I really like BBC. They make lots of good things to watch in TV.

[PeterRJG]

GB is strange example of exempire that is now governed by its own former colony...

ps. I really like BBC. They make lots of good things to watch in TV.

Ex empire that is now governed by its own former colony...which one? Ghana or New Zealand? Last time I looked, the United Kingdom is still in charge of the United Kingdom.

[Player]

ps. I really like BBC. They make lots of good things to watch in TV.

I must agree, here's one good example:

http://www.youtube.com/v/KakoMQurqnY&hl=en&fs=1&

I love that documentary.

[Holycrusader]

Ex empire that is now governed by its own former colony...which one? Ghana or New Zealand? Last time I looked, the United Kingdom is still in charge of the United Kingdom.

ask Stab... He is so smart that he will know what I mean.

[big_les]

Some people here asked, "well why don't you complain to the BBC?"

Uh, dude, come on...

I think it should be pretty obvious that the idea here is to demonstrate that the BBC is biased toward the Russian state, bringing this up as an example of it, and to discredit the BBC coverage of Russia. Complaining to them and asking them to fix this is not part of it. The idea is to discredit swine. If afterward, they want to address their "mistakes" of the last 80 years or whatever it is, that's on them.

Do the words 'Independent Press Complaints Commission' mean anything to you?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Great until some Scottish Communist took it over. :D

For once I agree with you.

Fortunately in a maximum of 10.5 months we will be rid of the Scottish Commie :-)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

@STAB Well, if GB ist so cool, why is your Empire so small today?

P.S. I thought you were out?

I changed my mind - we're free to do that in the UK :)

In answer to your question - because in business terms it became a 'cost centre' when it was previously a 'profit centre' and as a result of getting rid of it British citizens are generally materially much better off than when a large empire had to be ruled.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

You don't have any friends in Russia, STAB. You're obviously lying. Stop making things up, you look like a clown and there are people here (ahem) who will expose you. If you claim that you're not lying, then prove it. Get these people (your imaginary friends) to post on this forum and corroborate the monkey sh!t that appears in your posts. Bet you can't.

Get real - you're starting to sound a bit desperate.

Why should I get on the phone to some of our friends and former colleagues (who are not in the military and AFAIK have no particular interest in it) to get them to register on this site to have a flame-fest with the Putin Jugend about various 'off the cuff' political remarks and conversations we have had with them over the last few years????:roll:

Like I said before if you don't like some aspect of the BBC's coverage complain to them and/or pay the license fee.

[Alpha13]

Get real - you're starting to sound a bit desperate.

Why should I get on the phone to some of our friends and former colleagues (who are not in the military and AFAIK have no particular interest in it) to get them to register on this site to have a flame-fest with the Putin Jugend about various 'off the cuff' political remarks and conversations we have had with them over the last few years????:roll:

Like I said before if you don't like some aspect of the BBC's coverage complain to them and/or pay the license fee.

Ok, so the point of this article was that BBC is biased against Russia and a specific example was presented. Since you keep saying that people should just complain to BBC about this because they are not biased this means that you have not dicipated peoples thinking about how BBC treats Russia at all.

Now, what it also means, is that if you start talking about Russian media and how it shows Medvedev/Putin too much, somekind of Russian propoganda, etc., the Russian members here can tell you the exact same line you are pushing yourself: Russian media is not biased, maybe someone in the newsreel department just added an extra Putin segment, you can complain to RTR/NTV/etc. about this rather than calling them biased on the interwebz, end of story. Oh 'and/or pay the license fee'.

[RIPTIDE]

Why should I get on the phone to some of our friends and former colleagues (who are not in the military and AFAIK have no particular interest in it) to get them to register on this site to have a flame-fest with the Putin Jugend about various 'off the cuff' political remarks and conversations we have had with them over the last few years????:roll:

Yeah... I hear its hard for imaginary people to type. :)

[Russianlynxy]

Now, what it also means, is that if you start talking about Russian media and how it shows Medvedev/Putin too much, somekind of Russian propoganda, etc., the Russian members here can tell you the exact same line you are pushing yourself: Russian media is not biased, maybe someone in the newsreel department just added an extra Putin segment, you can complain to RTR/NTV/etc. about this rather than calling them biased on the interwebz, end of story. Oh 'and/or pay the license fee'.

You're forgetting that Russia is not Great Britain. We are the country where there was never any freedom, bears roam on the streets, and where the government lies to everybody as they hail the all mighty Secretary General. Naturally everyone is supposed to believe the BBC about Russia, after how can they be wrong!? rofl

Also, having friends in Russia does not make you a non-Russophobe. There are a good number of Russians who can be considered Russophobes. scary.

[rusak]

Get real - you're starting to sound a bit desperate.

Why should I get on the phone to some of our friends and former colleagues (who are not in the military and AFAIK have no particular interest in it) to get them to register on this site to have a flame-fest with the Putin Jugend about various 'off the cuff' political remarks and conversations we have had with them over the last few years????:roll:

Like I said before if you don't like some aspect of the BBC's coverage complain to them and/or pay the license fee.
Ducktales, WOOOOOOOOOOO! Cool story, bro. Some interesting friends you have, STAB. Why do you have to get on the phone, they don't have internet access? So we're supposed to believe that these people are busy giving you an "inside track" on the inner workings of Mordor/Magog/whatever, but they wouldn't want to back you up when your credibility is being challenged, in front of a larger audience? Don't they want to get the truth out, break the "information blockade"? Well of course they don't, because these people simply don't exist. rofl

[loganinkosovo]

The BBC has been censoring anything Pro-American for Decades!

Whats the difference?

[Elbs]

BBC censors pro-putin statement. Big fvcking deal... I'm sure Putin is raging mad and losing sleep over how the media portrays him

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Ducktales, WOOOOOOOOOOO! Cool story, bro. Some interesting friends you have, STAB. Why do you have to get on the phone, they don't have internet access? So we're supposed to believe that these people are busy giving you an "inside track" on the inner workings of Mordor/Magog/whatever, but they wouldn't want to back you up when your credibility is being challenged, in front of a larger audience? Don't they want to get the truth out, break the "information blockade"? Well of course t
hey don't, because these people simply don't exist. rofl

Phone / email whatever :roll:

So noone in Russia holds my views and the views of our Russian friends about how you're being buttfcuked by kleptocrats?

I guess no one told this lady

Will the Real Oligarch Please Stand Up

15 July 2009By Yulia Latynina

On the same day that U.S. President Barack Obama was gallivanting around Moscow chitchatting with Russian political opposition members and students, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had a real serious meeting with RusAl owner Oleg Deripaska.
In the end, Deripaska’s GAZ automobile factory received 20 billion rubles in state guarantees the very next day — without any discussion in the State Duma or public, of course. No explanation was given as to how Deripaska plans to save the ailing GAZ plant or what measures he was required to take in exchange for the state aid. All that is known is that no changes with the owners or managers are anticipated.
Everywhere else in the world, an owner who makes a critically flawed business decision loses ownership of his company. In Russia, oligarchs who don’t pay their debts receive state support.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/379523.htm


I guess it won't be long before you Putin Jugend fanboyz are celebrating her being re-educated with lead:roll:

[RIPTIDE]

Phone / email whatever :roll:

So noone in Russia holds my views and the views of our Russian friends about how you're being buttfcuked by kleptocrats?

I guess no one told this lady

Will the Real Oligarch Please Stand Up

15 July 2009By Yulia Latynina

On the same day that U.S. President Barack Obama was gallivanting around Moscow chitchatting with Russian political opposition members and students, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had a real serious meeting with RusAl owner Oleg Deripaska.
In the end, Deripaska’s GAZ automobile factory received 20 billion rubles in state guarantees the very next day — without any discussion in the State Duma or public, of course. No explanation was given as to how Deripaska plans to save the ailing GAZ plant or what measures he was required to take in exchange for the state aid. All that is known is that no changes with the owners or managers are anticipated.
Everywhere else in the world, an owner who makes a critically flawed business decision loses ownership of his company. In Russia, oligarchs who don’t pay their debts receive state support.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/379523.htm


I guess it won't be long before you Putin Jugend fanboyz are celebrating her being re-educated with lead:roll:
Derispaski eh? You must have missed his humiliation in front of Putin a few weeks ago. ;) Its already in a thread here. :roll:

[rusak]

Phone / email whatever :roll:

So noone in Russia holds my views and the views of our Russian friends about how you're being buttfcuked by kleptocrats?
Kleptocrats? That's just demagoguery, what specifically are you talking about? Since you don't know, I guess I'll have to explain this to you. One of the main reasons that Putin has such a high approval rating in Russia is that people trust him, and that is because they feel that he is indeed concerned about the country, that he wants the best for Russia and that he is working in the interests of the country. That is the impression he creates through all his speeches and everything. He specifically does not seem like a "kleptocrat". He does not live an extravagant life style, he is not on vacation all the time, he doesn't own any villas in France. And who in Putin's circle is not like that? Medvedev? Sechin? Kudrin? Zubkov? Ivanov? Who are the kleptocrats and how do they negatively affect the lives of common people?


I guess no one told this lady

Will the Real Oligarch Please Stand Up

15 July 2009By Yulia LatyninaYou're a real comedian, STAB. Yulia Latynina is a certified nutjob, and one of the most disliked media personalities in Russia. Was there a single terrorist attack in Russia that she did not blame on the Russian special services? If there was, I don't recall it. Recently, for example, she publicly claimed that it was the Russian military that attacked Tskhinval, not the Georgians, and all this kind of lunatic nonsense that Russia started the war, etc, etc. She actually participated in a "debate" about this with a military journalist in which she was, of course, completely destroyed. It's really insane to be making all these lunatic claims when they can be so easily checked and disproved, there are no mysteries here. South Ossetia is full of people, with cell phones and sh!t, and they are unanimous about what happened there. The Georgians attacked first and there was no Russian invasion force. Period, end of story, that's that. Indeed, when the conflict began we could actually follow it in real time on the internet, literally by the minute, as updates came in from people there on the ground. So it's clear that Latynina does not care about her own credibility at all. She is just a provacateur that says crazy sh!t for the "shock value".

[Russianlynxy]

You're a real comedian, STAB. Yulia Latynina is a certified nutjob, and one of the most disliked media personalities in Russia. Was there a single terrorist attack in Russia that she did not blame on the Russian special services? If there was, I don't recall it. Recently, for example, she publicly claimed that it was the Russian military that attacked Tskhinval, not the Georgians, and all this kind of lunatic nonsense that Russia started the war, etc, etc. She actually participated in a "debate" about this with a military journalist in which she was, of course, completely destroyed. It's really insane to be making all these lunatic claims when they can be so easily checked and disproved, there are no mysteries here. South Ossetia is full of people, with cell phones and sh!t, and they are unanimous about what happened there. The Georgians attacked first and there was no Russian invasion force. Period, end of story, that's that. Indeed, when the conflict began we could actually follow it in real time on the internet, literally by the minute, as updates came in from people there on the ground. So it's clear that Latynina does not care about her own credibility at all. She is just a provacateur that says crazy sh!t for the "shock value".

She kind of like that whore Novodvorskaya, used to be in jail during the USSR for dissidence, then got released during "democracy". She also hates everything that has to do with Russia's wealth, health, and well-being.

I remember in 2005 she was saying that Russia would be better off getting taken over by some country. We have a lot of schitzo's here lol.

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0//43/127/43127484_Novodvorskaya.jpg

[rusak]

She kind of like that whore Novodvorskaya, used to be in jail during the USSR for dissidence, then got released during "democracy".
Latynina was never a dissident and was never in jail.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Derispaski eh? You must have missed his humiliation in front of Putin a few weeks ago. ;) Its already in a thread here. :roll:

Yes I saw that particular episode on TV.

Yulia Latynina had something interesting to say about it in the article I linked to in my post above.

[RIPTIDE]

Yes I saw that particular episode on TV.

Yulia Latynina had something interesting to say about it in the article I linked to in my post above.
Ya, I read it already. Of course Latynina hasn't a clue by looking at what she wrote. She seems to forget the unwritten contract the Oli's have.

She should get a job at the BBC. I see great career opportunities for her there.:):roll:

[Mousepad]

Phone / email whatever :roll:

So noone in Russia holds my views and the views of our Russian friends about how you're being buttfcuked by kleptocrats?

I guess no one told this lady

Will the Real Oligarch Please Stand Up

15 July 2009By Yulia Latynina

On the same day that U.S. President Barack Obama was gallivanting around Moscow chitchatting with Russian political opposition members and students, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin had a real serious meeting with RusAl owner Oleg Deripaska.
In the end, Deripaska’s GAZ automobile factory received 20 billion rubles in state guarantees the very next day — without any discussion in the State Duma or public, of course. No explanation was given as to how Deripaska plans to save the ailing GAZ plant or what measures he was required to take in exchange for the state aid. All that is known is that no changes with the owners or managers are anticipated.
Everywhere else in the world, an owner who makes a critically flawed business decision loses ownership of his company. In Russia, oligarchs who don’t pay their debts receive state support.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/379523.htm


I guess it won't be long before you Putin Jugend fanboyz are celebrating her being re-educated with lead:roll:

Let's say Latynina is a sneaky one, basically she says a real story, but twists it in peculiar manner, and trend is obvious. As for this particular case it sounds like pocket oligarch robs people blind and Putin jumps in and gives him 20 bln for free (here buy a yacht). This case broods from march, Deripas have to pay his credit to 6 russian banks + Raiffaisen (spelling?) but he can't, and if he won't it becames his pain in the arse, and Royal pain in the arse for state (300 000 people loose job directly + collateral + money don't return in banks) = gross sh/t multiplicator, so State bails him out and pays money to banks, if Deripas is retarded (and i think he is) it just postpones nationalisation (nothing good will come out of this IMHO) but Putin not invented something new, look around the world. In my view World is based on Retardation, and run by Retards, and only high fertility rate and omnivoresness keep us from extinction. As for Darth Putin sitting in dark bunker plotting some evil cleptocratic schemes, hardly, I respect him as a good leader, but he is one lousy economist, like the rest of the world.

[Pars]

She kind of like that whore Novodvorskaya, used to be in jail during the USSR for dissidence, then got released during "democracy". She also hates everything that has to do with Russia's wealth, health, and well-being.

Whore? Is she an actual prostitute or are you just trying to smear her? Given, I know nothing about this woman nor the things you accuse her of - I just find it rather unintelligent to label women that you strongly disagree with as "whores".

[saturnin]

Whore? Is she an actual prostitute or are you just trying to smear her? Given, I know nothing about this woman nor the things you accuse her of - I just find it rather unintelligent to label women that you strongly disagree with as "whores".

many Russians get rose rash when they hear "freedom activist", they automatically swich to insulary modum. In a short times you will hear only "whores", "traitors"................

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many Russians get rose rash when they hear "freedom activist", they automatically swich to insulary modum. In a short times you will hear only "whores", "traitors"................

Well, many of those "freedom activist" somehow are sponsored by sort of think tanks like "Freedom house" "British council" etc. heck it even written on they homepages, always go in NY, London, or Washington for "Consultations". And as "many Russians" I just fecking looove when guys halth the globe away tell me what to do. Medvedev and Putin our assholes, we voted for them and it's our business! Also there are many, more educated, and strong critics of govt in Russian media, but they do it for sh/t and giggles, or lobbying something, but at least they are Russian paid, and no one "get rose rash" about them - business is business. As for "Freedom" and "Democracy" - it somehow tend to revolve around places with oil, gaz, or pipes - well it's business, and i respect those western guys, we have a lot to learn from them, but pouring sh/t on our own country for a foreign money is - "prostitution" and "treason" in my book.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Ya, I read it already. Of course Latynina hasn't a clue by looking at what she wrote. She seems to forget the unwritten contract the Oli's have.

That may or may not be so but I raised the point in response to denials from the Putin fanboy clique that such views are not held by anyone in Russia when that is manifestly not the case as Latynina has to have some kind of audience in order to get published. The likes of Latynina may be wrong or the Putin fanboys may be wrong but simply labeling anyone who disagrees with the current party line as a whore or whatever as Russian Putin fanboyz seem to do routinely on here just makes you look ridiculously thin-skinned.

[RIPTIDE]

That may or may not be so but I raised the point in response to denials from the Putin fanboy clique that such views are not held by anyone in Russia when that is manifestly not the case as Latynina has to have some kind of audience in order to get published. The likes of Latynina may be wrong or the Putin fanboys may be wrong but simply labeling anyone who disagrees with the current party line as a whore or whatever as Russian Putin fanboyz seem to do routinely on here just makes you look ridiculously thin-skinned.
Shes too ugly to be a whore.... but the Russians aren't picky, I hear. :)

[User_Name]

Whore? Is she an actual prostitute or are you just trying to smear her? Given, I know nothing about this woman nor the things you accuse her of - I just find it rather unintelligent to label women that you strongly disagree with as "whores".
Yep, she is a fukking whore. If you would read even one of her articles you would directly understand it:).