Take it easy on muslim extremists, police told

[josh21x]

TAKE IT EASY ON MUSLIM EXTREMISTS, POLICE TOLD


Police will be urged to turn a blind eye to provocative acts by Muslim protest groups
Saturday July 11,2009
By Macer Hall
POLICE will be ordered not to charge Muslim extremists in many hate crime cases – to stop them becoming more militant.
Guidelines will tell forces to press for conviction only in cases of clear-cut criminal acts.
Officers will be advised not to proceed when evidence of lawbreaking is “borderline”.
Examples of crimes to which a blind eye may be turned include incitement to religious hatred or viewing extremist material on the internet.
Last night critics warned that the move could mean Islamic radicals being give the freedom to encourage violence.
Some saw the move as a politically correct attempt to appease extremists who hate Britain.
It could even mean officers tolerating many activities of Muslim preachers of hate like the hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza.
Tory MP David Davies said: “This sounds like abject surrender. Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.
“It doesn’t matter whether someone is suspected of incitement to hatred or shoplifting – they should all face the same risk of prosecution.
“There should be no special favours or treatment for any section of the community.”
Officials insist there is no suggestion that people who have clearly committed offences will avoid prosecution.
Instead, they want to avoid alienating Muslims on the fringes of extremism by dragging them to court over petty allegations unlikely to result in conviction.
One fear is that some young Muslims are falling under the influence of extremist preachers while serving prison sentences or on remand awaiting trial.

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A senior Whitehall official said the guidance was being drawn up as part of a drive to use persuasion rather than the criminal justice system to fight extremism.
He added: “The aim is to stop people being dragged into extremism.
“We are not talking about letting someone off who has committed a clear offence, but where it is unclear if an offence has been committed.
“For instance, where there has been incitement or someone has been on the internet there can be a grey area where there is some discretion and it would be more sensible to avoid going down the criminal route.”
The Government’s counter- terrorism board is drawing up the advice, which will be sent to all police forces, including the Metropolitan, later this year.
The move follows an updated Home Office counter-terrorism strategy announced earlier this year. The new strategy urges preventative measures to win round potential extremists instead of arrest and prosecution.
“We need to be able to provide support for individuals who are drawn into criminal activity,” the document says.
Councils, community groups and the Government’s youth justice board will be among organisations expected to identify those drawn into extremism or at risk.
Social workers, teachers and other professionals will be asked to try to work with some Muslim youths to reduce the likelihood of them turning into extremists.
But the new strategy is likely to reduce the likelihood of prosecutions against Islamist extremists protesting against troops.
In Luton earlier this year, protesters displayed placards bearing the words “butchers” and “animals” at a homecoming parade for 2nd Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment. There were no arrests for incitement.
A Home Office spokesman said: “Preventing people becoming radicalised is a key priority for the Government. The police response needs to be proportionate to deal with crimes people commit while reducing the risk to public safety.”
The latest move represents a reversal of the policy introduced under Tony Blair in the wake of the terrorist attacks in London in 2005, when as Prime Minister he called for an overhaul of the criminal justice system to root out and prosecute extremists.
Past attempts to win over potential Muslim radicals have frequently run into controversy. Millions of pounds have been pledged to fund Muslim groups, drawing claims that they are receiving special treatment.



http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/113182/Take-it-easy-on-Muslim-extremists-police-told

[RIPTIDE]

If they hate the country they live in, FCK them out! lol Even better. I can house them all in a field. 5k/head/year. I'll look after them all.

[Eagle The Lightning]

More b******t from Whitehall officials

[ssfeldjager]

I'm confused; or maybe I'm not.

Is France the island nation, or is France on the continent?

Or, does France include the island formerly known as the UK?

I forget...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Well the flip side of this of course is that they will also have to take the same approach with right wing extremists as well.

[LordKitchener]

Well the flip side of this of course is that they will also have to take the same approach with right wing extremists as well.

You seem to be under the naive impression that people of different races and religions are treated the same under UK law. We all know that isn't so. Certain groups enjoy special privileges.

Let's keep appeasing radical Islam though. Nice one New Labour.

[RIPTIDE]

You seem to be under the naive impression that people of different races and religions are treated the same under UK law. We all know that isn't so. Certain groups enjoy special privileges.

Let's keep appeasing radical Islam though. Nice one New Labour.
Yep. the Beth Din, Jewish courts. Isn't there local Muslim courts at work aswell?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

You seem to be under the naive impression that people of different races and religions are treated the same under UK law. We all know that isn't so. Certain groups enjoy special privileges.

Let's keep appeasing radical Islam though. Nice one New Labour.

I'm not saying I approve of it either way you numpty :roll:

Has this been reported anywhere else except the Express?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Yep. the Beth Din, Jewish courts. Isn't there local Muslim courts at work aswell?


There are long established Church of England and Jewish courts as well (not sure about Catholics). They only deal with civil matters.

My personal preference would be for no religious courts of any type but if you allow some then really you have to allow others as well.

[3rdMillhouse]

What the..? o.O Stop arresting criminals or they'll comit more crimes?

[junglejim]

Looks like radical Islam is winning.

[3rdMillhouse]

2050, wellcome to Londonistan.

[Stevey1]

Cutting through the Express hysteria: so there MAY or may not be a new trend of only going after extremists where successful prosecution is guaranteed. It'll probably come to nothing. The article was even wrong with some of its facts. Two of the Muslim protestors in Luton were arrested sometime after the vent. Whether they were subsequently chraged or not I'm not sure.

I think its important to keep in mind that this is from the Daily Express. I've lost count of the number of hysterical stories in that paper that usually (hilariously) include a brief quote from the police etc that denies the extensive outrage piece listed above it. I do remember one example where an article maintained that police dogs were not to be used to search Muslims. A barely noticeable quote from the police at the end basically stated that anyone could be searched by a police dog, rather undermining the story! Also, I'm fairly sure the Express was one of those claiming that the Union Jack was to be banned from prisons so as not to offend Muslims. Since that story I've yet to see a UK prison without a Union Jack flying from it.

[rgjbloke]

All papers print stuff to grab headlines and sell more papers. Some overstep the mark, sometimes outrageously and unless I see independent or official verification, I'm going to call this crap!

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Bullsh*t Baffles Brains

Another skirt lifting story from the Express they usually have a couple every week mostly about "swine flu" or *** crazed feral teenage single mums on smack.

[Stevey1]

I think the key part of the article is this:


Officials insist there is no suggestion that people who have clearly committed offences will avoid prosecution.
Instead, they want to avoid... dragging them to court over petty allegations unlikely to result in conviction.

If there is a modicum of truth in this story, the above may be it.
Regarding any sort of criminality, isn't this the sort of practice that police are urged to do to save money.

[vinny_121_ND]

Don't think that's a good idea. I don't understand, if you arrest them, can't they legally be deported?

[Panchito12]

Why can't the Brits handle their muslims? We got that bunch to quickly toe the line here in the US.

[Soldat_Américain]

Patriot act goes through and everyone starts flying American Flags...as well as the US Muslim community actually liking their current mode de vie.

[RIPTIDE]

Why can't the Brits handle their muslims? We got that bunch to quickly toe the line here in the US.
Hows the US getting on with the illegal Mexicans? is that wall built yet?

[alexz]

Well the flip side of this of course is that they will also have to take the same approach with right wing extremists as well.

Are the extrimist right wing facist in Britain also planing to blow up bosses?

[pg_ord]

Are the extrimist right wing facist in Britain also planing to blow up bosses?
Okay serious question to Brits ....
Are right wing fascists in Britain as rabid (In terms of both ideology and violence) as Islamists ?....
I just know both are loonys .... but when it comes down it which ones would you "take care" of first?

[Mackie]

2050, wellcome to Londonistan.

And Brits will pray toward Germany rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Are the extrimist right wing facist in Britain also planing to blow up bosses?Nah usually Pubs

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Okay serious question to Brits ....
Are right wing fascists in Britain as rabid (In terms of both ideology and violence) as Islamists ?....
I just know both are loonys .... but when it comes down it which ones would you "take care" of first?All of them at the same time. Islamic fanatics at present are at the fore but right extremism and sectarianism were taking out innocent lives long before Islamic terror and still remain a credible threat. The Real IRA could kick off a large scale bombing campaign anytime and all it takes is another BNP fan boy to leave a nail bomb in a busy pub.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Are the extrimist right wing facist in Britain also planing to blow up bosses?

They probably would if they thought they could get away with it - however the British security services are currently sitting on them very hard.

[Panchito12]

Hows the US getting on with the illegal Mexicans? is that wall built yet?

The Mexicans don't want to turn the US into some s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country. They want to become Americans.

The Muslims in England got there, looked around, saw prosperity and modern society, and decided to turn it back into a s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country.

Huge difference.

p.s The wall is coming along nicely. How's the slow painful death of Anglicanism coming along?

[vinny_121_ND]

The Mexicans don't want to turn the US into some s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country. They want to become Americans.

The Muslims in England got there, looked around, saw prosperity and modern society, and decided to turn it back into a s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country.

Huge difference.

p.s The wall is coming along nicely. How's the slow painful death of Anglicanism coming along?

Let me add to this. The mexicans at least work hard and not try and leach off the welfare system.

[deagle]

you take an oath of loyalty to become a citizen.

so if you talk sh!t, they should get deported.

[RIPTIDE]

p.s The wall is coming along nicely. How's the slow painful death of Anglicanism coming along?
Just fine I believe. :)

[Degenek]

The Mexicans don't want to turn the US into some s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country.

It doesn't matter what they want, only thing that matter is what they do.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

The Muslims in England got there, looked around, saw prosperity and modern society, and decided to turn it back into a s**thole 3rd world toilet like their old country.


What? All of them?

[ggk]

What? All of them?

ofcourse...... it was implanted in our brain. ... the same as indian hatred against pakistan or china or british or muslim.... the different is they have cheaper computer chips...The GSJLA produce a far more reliable memory implant......... but pffffttt forget i said that.

[Excalibur]

if i was muslim extremist i would come to UK - the best place for muslim extremist to be.

[theholeinthedonut]

I'm confused; or maybe I'm not.

Is France the island nation, or is France on the continent?

Or, does France include the island formerly known as the UK?

I forget...
What stinking nazi****hole did you creep out of to post such utter nonsense?
BTW
"SS Feldjäger" is quite a retarded name, specially so if one is to stupid to get the spelling right.

[Bitogno]

I'm confused; or maybe I'm not.

Is France the island nation, or is France on the continent?

Or, does France include the island formerly known as the UK?

I forget...
What France as to do with that ?

[okiebugg]

2050, wellcome to Londonistan.

Fear not brothers, the USA is headed in the same direction. Political correctness, appeasement, entitlement. Two great historical powers are now afraid of the people they colonialized in the past.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Fear not brothers, the USA is headed in the same direction. Political correctness, appeasement, entitlement. Two great historical powers are now afraid of the people they colonialized in the past.

The school holidays must have started :roll:

[hulaku]

ofcourse...... it was implanted in our brain. ... the same as indian hatred against pakistan or china or british or muslim.... the different is they have cheaper computer chips...The GSJLA produce a far more reliable memory implant......... but pffffttt forget i said that.

This is what we get from a citizen of a nation who's pilots we train and planes we maintain.

Talking about how madrassah education blinds you!

[pg_ord]

This is what we get from a citizen of a nation who's pilots we train and planes we maintain.

Talking about how madrassah education blinds you!
Sir please don't bring facts in to picture while somebody passes judgement. :|

[hanmya]

This is what we get from a citizen of a nation who's pilots we train and planes we maintain.

Talking about how madrassah education blinds you!


Considering the recent events, its justified to cry foul over the 'supposed' atrocities of 'Hindoo' forces in Kashmir, the 'supposed' kafir American/NATO brutality against muslims in Iraq, Af-Pak etc, the 'evil Juice' in "Palestine", but its a non-issue if Chinese commies kill/suppress muslims' rights in China.
What I find amusing is, apparently, from what I have been reading on these and a few other forums, its justified to condemn people of other faiths who do not believe in the Islamic ethos but you cannot/should not condemn people who do not believe in any faith a la the commies!! Or is it that inspite of all the brouhaha of muslim brotherhood, Chinese arms, money and their UNSC Veto talk louder than an imams' call for prayer on the friendly neighbourhood loud speakers?

And seriously whateverz happened to the UK? Why are they bending over backwards (or is it the otherway) to accomodate something which will inturn come 'back' to haunt them!

[okiebugg]

The school holidays must have started :roll:


Oh no.....schools out and someone agrees with me

UYNWARH

[Mastermind]

Uh...is this the perfect example of "Double Standard"?

[ggk]

This is what we get from a citizen of a nation who's pilots we train and planes we maintain.

Talking about how madrassah education blinds you!

welcome back....now fix that sarcasm meter of yours.... i think its broken.

[hulaku]

welcome back....now fix that sarcasm meter of yours.... i think its broken.

Thanks for your concern sir. Working on fixing itp-)

[Excalibur]

Uh...is this the perfect example of "Double Standard"?
indeed it is.