Reason for Anti-Semitism

[Kit]

This is the one form of bigotry that I never really understood. I can see the reasoning behind racism, as it's often produced by racial-tensions, racial-biased violence, and segregation. For example, segregated prison environments produce racists for that reason. Same thing happens in cities to an extent.

Anti-Semetism in the Middle East makes a little sense. If you're a Palestinian, in a poor Muslim neighborhood, and then the unstopable "Zionists" come rolling through your neighborhood, you have reason to be afraid of them. Sometimes that fear transfers to hate. NOTE: I am not critisizing Israel's missions in Palestine. Just putting things in perspective.

But Anti-Semitism in the Western world doesn't make sense to me. Jewish people in the West tend to be mixed with European blood, so they look like any other white person. The middle-class and banking system isn't overwhelmingly Jewish like in the Dark Ages. We don't have Jewish ghettos anymore, so you can have a few Jewish households in an average suburbia. I had a few Jewish friends, and I only found out about their faith when they mentioned it. But yet, I occaisionally run into someone that wants to hate on the Jews.

Why hate on the Jews? What remotely rational reason do people in the West have to hate on the Jews?

[PEMM]

I have no idea. Maybe christians had some weird reason.

[Smiling_Wolf]

Um... are you asking for actual anti-semites on this forum to justify their beliefs? Sounds like an invitation to a flame war, friend.

[Kit]

Um... are you asking for actual anti-semites on this forum to justify their beliefs? Sounds like an invitation to a flame war, friend.

No, it does not. I might know the reasoning behind racism, but it doesn't make me a racist. There might be someone on this forum who knows the reasoning behind anti-Semitism, who isn't an anti-Semite.

To solve problems like this, you have to know reasoning behind the problem, even if you won't agree with the reasoning. Because closing out racists and anti-Semites isn't going solve anything.

[tercio67]

The Romans started it.
When Christianity became the state religion they had a small problem, they had nailed Jesus to a cross. So in order to circumvent this they convinced themselves that the Jews were responsible for this.
The Catholic church then took this with them while converting peoples/nations and perpetuated this.

Also in early Christianity it was forbidden to lend out money. Therefore the Jews were actualy asked to provide this service. In Spain this led to the expulsion of the Jews eventualy when the state was up to its eyeballs in debt.
By driving out the Jews, and declaring all their possesions forfeit, the debt was gone with them (they were forbidden to take any documents with them).
This form of debt restructuring was widely copied in the Christian world.
To fascilitate this process they were villified and made responsable for everything you can think of that was negative, including bad weather.

Oral history, ignorance and habit carried that over to today. It would seem especialy prevalent with those that seek a scapegoat for their own shortcomings rather then take an honest look at themvelves and actualy do something, whining takes less effort and is less tiring I guess.

Just my view/opinion

[szr]

This is the one form of bigotry that I never really understood. I can see the reasoning behind racism, as it's often produced by racial-tensions, racial-biased violence, and segregation. For example, segregated prison environments produce racists for that reason. Same thing happens in cities to an extent.Well, some Jews claim that they and their fellow Jews are members of a Jewish race, rather than merely practitioners of the Jewish faith.

I think the kind of anti-semitism that's out there today is a concoction of many things, including a degree of racism, but also has a strong undercurrent of the same kinds of perceived socio-economic inequalities that exist between many groups of people the world over.

[Connaught Ranger]

Who was ultimately responsible for the death of Christ?

The Jews.

Who when asked by Pilate did they want to see freed, Jesus or Barabbas, responded :- Barabbas.

The Jews.

The Jewish Race got the dirty end of the stick based on the above,

compounded with centuries of ignorance and jealousy mostly proclaimed from the

Christian Altar.

Connaught Ranger.

[Switek]

Why hate on the Jews? What remotely rational reason do people in the West have to hate on the Jews?

Once upon a time about 2000 years ago few old Jews decided to kill one sectarian Jew, his name was Jesus...

Since then the black PR have accompanied to all Jews... The other story is that Jews who selfishly regarded themselves never has cared of their PR and were accused for many other things like drinking a fresh blood of Christian infants.

If Jews had better PR manager may be their general view would be better today... but seems that God had other plans... so who knows?

[ting]

I think it has something to do with human nature and a fear of the unknown and those who are different. I don't think antisemitism was that common outside of Europe. Remember that the Jews have a lot of religious things they do quite often, and outsiders can get some crazy ideas about what they do. Remember we burned witches just a few hundred years ago because we were suspicious of them. And when you have a tight nit group, people can entertain some crazy notions about what they are doing. Sacrificing babies etc. I think because the Jews stuck out of the crowd and the church didn't like them they were easy targets.

But remember you also have the Gypsies, who I think were persecuted as well. But, well it's of course more complicated.

But if you meet people who hate Jews today, my thoughts are that they are just dumb, or have some weird ideas they can't get out of their head. Some people just need to hate something or someone.

[Hollis]

Along the lines of what ting is saying.


My thought it is a part of maintaining power and control. Racism/bigotry in general is more for keeping the regular citizen inline. It also gives oppressed people a way to blow of steam, rather than against the real oppressor or problem maker, but some defenseless minority population.

If one person is oppressed then we all are oppressed.

[LordKitchener]

You cannot really expect to have an objective discussion on this topic as it's a no-go area in today's society. Obviously the only thing schools and the media teach the West about Jews is the holocaust so I'm not surprised that you are puzzled by this issue.



Jewish people in the West tend to be mixed with European blood, so they look like any other white person.

That's mostly untrue. I normally find it fairly easy to recognise Ashkenazi Jews from their features (you can thank centuries of isolationist-breeding for that).


The middle-class and banking system isn't overwhelmingly Jewish like in the Dark Ages.

The Fed is overwhelmingly controlled by Jewish representatives (4 out of 5 of the Governors are Jewish IIRC).

[el borracho]

Jews killed Jesus.

Jews horde money while the rest of society is poor (This is because many Jews were forbidden to own land in Christian feudal societies, so they didn't have to reside on a lord's property, and therefore couldn't be taxed by said lord. This allowed them to enter merchant and trading ventures to generate income, which thereby compounded their wealth even more).

Jews brought the plague. (Religious customs required cleanliness when most Christians went years without bathing. Jews had much lower fatality rates when epidemics hit and society targeted them for being spared).

Jewish families tend to place a high value on education and the importance of striving for top positions. This causes them to dominate a lot of white-collar fields. This creates a lot of envy and jealousy from those that didn't make it.

There are several more, but as times change, so do the excuses. Since Jewish communities tended to be tight-knit and didn't mingle with the rest of society they made themselves an easy target by the gentile majority.

[Connaught Ranger]

The Fed is overwhelmingly controlled by Jewish representatives (4 out of 5 of the Governors are Jewish IIRC).


:cantbeli:

[SBL]

You cannot really expect to have an objective discussion on this topic as it's a no-go area in today's society. Obviously the only thing schools and the media teach the West about Jews is the holocaust so I'm not surprised that you are puzzled by this issue.

Why don't you set the record straight, eh?

[Hollis]

You cannot really expect to have an objective discussion on this topic as it's a no-go area in today's society. Obviously the only thing schools and the media teach the West about Jews is the holocaust so I'm not surprised that you are puzzled by this issue.




That's mostly untrue. I normally find it fairly easy to recognise Ashkenazi Jews from their features (you can thank centuries of isolationist-breeding for that).



The Fed is overwhelmingly controlled by Jewish representatives (4 out of 5 of the Governors are Jewish IIRC).


It is because of twits like you, who make outlandish and racist remarks.

Do you have a hole you can crawl back into?

[LordKitchener]

Please read this book - Jewish Supremacism by David Duke (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16557480/David-Duke-Jewish-ism)

Did you know that the 'Russian' Mafia is overwhelmingly Jewish? Did you know the Soviet October Revolution was controlled by American Jewish immigrants?

Am I an anti-semite for seeking some historical truths?

[Hollis]

^^^^ Proof racist are inbred idiots..........

They don't see the warning that racism is not tolerated on this forum.

[el borracho]

Please read this book - Jewish Supremacism by David Duke (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16557480/David-Duke-Jewish-ism)


Ah, there's a viable source.

[SBL]

^^^^ Proof racist are inbred idiots..........

They don't see the warning that racism is not tolerated on this forum.
That was quick work. Proof that this forum is run by Jews.

[Soldat_Américain]

Well if you get down to it Anti-Antisemitism is racism unless you know anyone that still speaks Aramaic, however Arabs re also a semitic people but they haven't been discriminated against like the Jews have. And honestly I believe that the being Jewish is also being part of a race, whether that is wrong that isn't for you to decide but for me to make the decision after more learning and life experience.

It seems a lot of the time the government needed an enemy which over many years of history you can see has been aimed at one group of man and they are the Jews. You could trace this back to Roman times when Diaspora went into effect in order to disperse them because the Jewish people would have continued a rebellion.

[Hollis]

That was quick work. Proof that this forum is run by Jews.


Hey the pay is good and what's more, Beer is GTG with them. Don't trust anyone that does not offer a Grog ration as part of the terms of employment.


If look at LK's previous posts, it was not just this one group he ranted against.

His posting history did not help him any.

[sinophile]

This is the one form of bigotry that I never really understood...Why hate on the Jews? What remotely rational reason do people in the West have to hate on the Jews?

Here is a resource for you. http://tinyurl.com/racismcause (http://tinyurl.com/racismcause)

[Smiling_Wolf]

I have a family friend who is an accountant, and he told my parents he really hates his Jewish clients with a passion... I never heard why though. :(

[Russianlynxy]

I think it is generated by Jewish nationalism. Of course there is a very small percentage of Jews who are nationalists but it is quite strong.

i.e The idea that Jewishness is not just the practice of Judaism but an entire nation/race, the "chosen people of God", Jews must help other Jews, Jews must marry other Jews and make Jewish children and all that other bullsh*t. Jewish kids are special, therefore they must go to Jewish only schools.

These are the same people that makes criticism of Jews taboo in modern society and you are automatically labeled as a Nazi/Antisemite.

The sad thing is that this small minority affects the larger group of Jews world wide who have/don't want anything to do with it.

Supremacism and hate breeds supremacism and hate.

[AZZenny]

and 5 (soon 6) of 9 Supreme Court Justices are Roman Catholic. So?


Jews were a complex set of tribes 3-4 thousand years ago that gave up idolatry well before most groups in the region, so were singled out as different. (They weren't especially tolerant, either, and were quite fierce.) They commanded literacy for all males and moved away from hunting culture long before many other cultures, as well.


Being enslaved in Egypt and Babylon and then regaining their freedom further marked them as a very 'different' group -- no other large tribes typically survived that kind of thing culturally intact, but for Jews, it seemed to unify and clarify their identity.


Romans felt they were very intelligent, uncontrollable, dangerous troublemakers and finally forced them to leave the area that is now Israel-Golan-northern Saudi Arabia to prevent future rebellions. That was the original 'Diaspora,' so they were made a homeless people with only a culture to bind them together.

It really took off when early Christians blamed Jews, rather than Romans, for killing Jesus -- conveniently forgetting he was a Jew trying to reform Judaism.

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Thereafter, like untouchables in India and Japan, often only certain employment was allowed for Jews, and they were only allowed to live in certain areas -- they could do money lending where it was illegal, as in Muslim countries and some Christian countries, import-export merchant stuff in a few places, and the study of medicine, for some reason.


This was especially so after the Catholic Inquisition, during which time thousands of Jews were slaughtered or fled Europe. Whenever things went bad, like plague, it was blamed on the 'infidel Jews.' Whenever a ruler needed money for a war or a new palace, he would round up the Jews and make them pay huge ransoms. Whenever a common enemy was needed to distract the poor, as in Czarist Russia, it was the Jews. (You may notice how this is still the preferred approach of ME governments.)


Jews retained their tightknit culture, put education and rule of law above almost any other social good, were universally literate when most cultures were definitely not, and had an incredible work ethic at whatever they were legally permitted to do. They succeeded in spite of oppression -- which just kept them identified as separate, and somehow unstoppable. The predominance of Jews among scientists and Nobel Prize Winners is even now held against them in this vein.

In the late 1800's they became a favorite scapegoat in Russia, leading to very widespread publication of a forged document called the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. "The Protocols helped to spread the disease of antisemitism throughout the world. The Protocols is a document that purports to represent the ideas of a secret society of Jewish elders and was published by Sergei Nilus in Russia in 1905. These ideas are the supposed blueprint for Jews conquering the world."

According to reputable scholars, this world-control myth was actually plagiarized from a 19th century French political satire in which the alleged plotters weren’t even Jewish.

Adolf Hitler was heavily influenced by the Protocols, which explains why he believed that Jews were planning to conquer the world. Henry Ford, Alan Dulles, and many other influential men lumped the Jews in with 'Commies' and pro-labor activists, so they tended to promote a similar kind of broad Jewish plot to undermine and/or control wealth and the White Christian way of life, and paid for translated versions of the Protocols or similar works to be published in the US.


The Protocols is still a best seller in Middle-Eastern nations, and a few years ago a TV serialized version was made for Egyptian TV and shown during their 'sweeps' season of Ramadan, to huge success. However, a decade or more before the founding of Israel, Arab leaders were cozying up to Hitler, so ME anti-semitism isn't new or post-Nakba.

And there you have a crib notes view of why it is such a fvcking strongly-rooted mental and cultural poison.

Anti-semitism has nothing to do with the existence of Israel, although the potency of Israel's military in whup-ass wars certainly played into the same kind of mythology. However, calls for the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state, or an illegitimate state IS anti-semitism.

A Jewish friend said, "It all comes down to this - you have be jealous of ANY group whose historical motto is 'They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat.' "


Rant off. http://static.keebali.com/arizonasportsfans.com/vb/images/smilies/new/soapbox.gif

[Panchito12]

Who when asked by Pilate did they want to see freed, Jesus or Barabbas, responded :- Barabbas.


I've always felt that the true scapegoat for the whole Passion thing was Pontius Pilate. Give a brutha a break, all he wanted was for everyone to get along, not mess up any s**t while he was Prefect, and to go home and get his pension.

GIVE A BRUTHA A BREAK!!!

[szr]

Since Jewish communities tended to be tight-knit and didn't mingle with the rest of society they made themselves an easy target by the gentile majority.I think the perceived insularity of Jerwish communities plays a very large role in modern anti-semitism, particularly here in the west. There's always going to be a degree of suspicion and paranoia around groups that are seen as keeping to themselves.

I can understand why many people are suspicious, but I can also empathise with the Jewish community's belief that they need to protect their traditions and way of life given their history and the many trials they've been through. It hasn't even been a century since they had to struggle for their very existence.

[Soldat_Américain]

i.e The idea that Jewishness is not just the practice of Judaism but an entire nation/race, the "chosen people of God", Jews must help other Jews, Jews must marry other Jews and make Jewish children and all that other bullsh*t.



Wait Jews are Mormons?
*cough* joke *cough*

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I think it has something to do with human nature and a fear of the unknown and those who are different.

Really, that is all it is.

There is nothing special about anti-semites.

They are no different to those who hate gay's, asian's, Poles, the intellectually handicapped, Palestinians, Obama and the poor, etc.

People to be pitied.

[RIPTIDE]

Please read this book - Jewish Supremacism by David Duke (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16557480/David-Duke-Jewish-ism)

Did you know that the 'Russian' Mafia is overwhelmingly Jewish? Did you know the Soviet October Revolution was controlled by American Jewish immigrants?

Am I an anti-semite for seeking some historical truths?
Holy ****! You are recommending us a book by David Duke? Didn't he set up Storm Front? Former Knight of the KKK? GTFO!

[black mamba]

@Azzenny

"Then a large and stubborn Jewish town refused to join Mohammed's new cult -- and even though one of his wives was Jewish, in various places in the Koran he cursed them for not believing in him as the Prophet.

Thereafter, like untouchables in India and Japan, often only certain employment was allowed for Jews, and they were only allowed to live in certain areas -- they could do money lending where it was illegal, as in Muslim countries and some Christian countries, import-export merchant stuff in a few places, and the study of medicine, for some reason."


please stick to facts. the jewish town did not 'refuse' to join "Mohammed's new cult". they were punished after they broke a treaty with the muslims and sided with their enemy in a battle. also, the punishment was decided by their OWN leaders using examples from the TORAH because that was one of the terms of the treaty.

also, the Quran does not 'curse' the jews. it says that the jews were God's favourite ppl but due to, long story short, their worshipping a cow at a time when Moses was away and other sins, they were condemned to be hated for ever. so, once again, there isnt any 'cursing' of jews which resulted in their being hated.

also, jews were doctors, advisors, bankers, 'lawyers' etc for a lot of muslim rulers. especially in spain.

as for the ME cosying up to Hitler, that was some persian chap who didnt even have a following worth mentioning. there wasnt any 'cosying up to hitler' because most muslims, from the sub continent and the arab countries like syria, iraq etc were fighting against the germans in their MILLIONS

[Mr.K]

Well its LordKitchiner, he's like that.

[Skutatos]

Who was ultimately responsible for the death of Christ?

The Jews.

Who when asked by Pilate did they want to see freed, Jesus or Barabbas, responded :- Barabbas.

The Jews.

The Jewish Race got the dirty end of the stick based on the above,

compounded with centuries of ignorance and jealousy mostly proclaimed from the

Christian Altar.

Connaught Ranger.
Jesus and his followers were jews, I don't personally know any christians who hate jews.

Also, any christians with an interest in the true history of what was going on at the time(admittedly few), know that some historians have claimed the story of barabbas to be entirely falsified. Jesus was also sometimes known as Bar-Abba and is believed to have led a rather large and peaceful protest over Pilate's placing of roman standards on the Jewish temple.

It was successful and incidently...Jesus was arrested and crucified a short time after. So it may be that Jesus was actually crucified by the Romans for being seen as a trouble maker.

It is really difficult to know what might have been changed from the original texts once the romans got involved. It appears some things were added or changed in order to make themselves look better.

[RIPTIDE]

Who was ultimately responsible for the death of Christ?


Nah. Jesus said it was in scripture that he was going to be the killed. The Jews were His chosen people. CHosen in a good way and a bad way.

[Skutatos]

Nah. Jesus said it was in scripture that he was going to be the killed. The Jews were His chosen people. CHosen in a good way and a bad way.

Another reason for there to be no animosity towards jews from christians. The roman church is the primary culprit IMO. Not these days of course, or I shouldnt think so, but certainly when they still had control over Europe.

[Atasas]

I do understand!- never mind not being antisemitic myself, but never ending winging, demeaning of any other country's pride, never-ending complaining about past might be a reason?+ current/recent "smart ar$e" dealings with Arabs don't do no favors either...

[Stormz_STA]

They are no different to those who hate...Pole

Who the hell hates Poles? Brits maybe? ;)
Seriously though, I see LordKitchener's sorry ass was banned. Earlier today I stumbled upon a huge racist forum and I saw a dude named LordKitchener. The guy had the same avatar as our LordKitchener and I was wondering if it's the same guy. Apparently it is.

[RIPTIDE]

Another reason for there to be no animosity towards jews from christians. The roman church is the primary culprit IMO. Not these days of course, or I shouldnt think so, but certainly when they still had control over Europe.
Oversimplified. The popularity of Jews waxed and waned between each European Monarch as they came and went. Jews were pardoned and exiled, and pardoned again in many countries. Not by the Church, but by Monarchs mostly.

[sinophile]

Please read this book - Jewish Supremacism by David Duke (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16557480/David-Duke-Jewish-ism)

Did you know that the 'Russian' Mafia is overwhelmingly Jewish? Did you know the Soviet October Revolution was controlled by American Jewish immigrants?

Am I an anti-semite for seeking some historical truths?

Well you're either an anti-semite or your librarian is. Which is it?

[lotsoffreetime]

There are certain quotes that was claimed to be from the Torah that I need clarification here. What's important about this verses is that it is said to contribute towards the 'Israeli aggression' towards Muslims.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").


Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.


Can any of the jewish members clarify these statements? Are they real? Are there explanation to this?

[RIPTIDE]

There are certain quotes that was claimed to be from the Torah that I need clarification here. What's important about this verses is that it is said to contribute towards the 'Israeli aggression' towards Muslims.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").



Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.



Can any of the jewish members clarify these statements? Are they real? Are there explanation to this?


More verses in here:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_tidbits.html

No, I don't spend my time in this website. I just googled about a verse regarding gentile and blood and was directed here.
Fomr your link:


" Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.


roflrofl

[Fat Lazy American]

More verses in here:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_tidbits.html

No, I don't spend my time in this website. I just googled about a verse regarding gentile and blood and was directed here.

So you Google something, you get led to a Web site about a Jewish/extraterrestrial conspiracy to take over the world, and you ask for an explanation from Jews?

[sinophile]

There are certain quotes that was claimed to be from the Torah that I need clarification here. What's important about this verses is that it is said to contribute towards the 'Israeli aggression' towards Muslims.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").



Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.



Can any of the jewish members clarify these statements? Are they real? Are there explanation to this?


More verses in here:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_tidbits.html

No, I don't spend my time in this website. I just googled about a verse regarding gentile and blood and was directed here.


Google Answers provides the following explanation:


There is just one line in those tractates that says what you think, and I'll try to explain it to you.

The short passage is about becoming unclean if you stand on the grave of an idolator. It says they do not transmit uncleanness to Kohenim because idolators are not called Adam. The word Adam is reserved for those who follow the Torah, and might be more broadly expanded to the basic teachings of the Torah.

(Muslems are NOT considered idolators by Jews as you worship one G-d who is the creator.)

For it is stated :Now you my sheep, the sheep of my pasture - you are Adam. (not human, that's a different word.)

It comes from Ez 34:31 Now, you are My sheep, the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam); I am your G-d - the word of the Lord Hashem/Elohim

In this passage Adam refers to a particular type of person. Adam is a person who emanates knowledge of G-d by following the Torah.

To put it into today's terms: People who don't follow the Torah are not Jewish. I don't think you would find that in any way offensive. It's the same as people who don't follow the Koran are not Muslem and the people who don't follow the christian book are not christian.

If you go back to the beginning of Ez 34, Ezekiel is called ben Adam. He was prophesying against the shepherds of Israel. If you read the passage verry carefully, you might find the idolators being spoken of in this chapter refered to those who were no longer being "Adam" and emanating what G-d taught. I'm talking about JEWS here.

I'm taught to internalize all the lessons in the Torah after I study a passage. It is telling me that the part of me that is following Torah is known as Adam. The part of me that is not is known as something else.

In another place we are taught we have a nephesh behemah (an animal soul concerned only with things of this world) and a nephesh Elohiym (the animal soul convinced to follow G-d.)

Thanks to your question, I know that if I don't follow Hashem, I'm not known as Adam.

btw, Muslems are known as Edom, and the spelling is the same as Adam. If Jews and Muslems could figure out how to combine our character traits we'd fill the world with the word of G-d. That's probably why it's not being allowed to happen.

Another way of saying it is a deep mystical meaning that Jews use to describe ourselves. Not other people. When we pursue physical pleasures for their own sake we are no different than animals. Cattle eat because they are hungry. If we eat only because we are hungry, we are no better than cattle. And we say that person has an animal soul. If a person eats in order to derive strength to follow the Torah, then they have elevated the act of eating above what the animal has and they are said to have a nephesh Elohiym. A life force that seeks Elohiym.

These are to be considered metaphors for how we understand things. As Jews we are more interested in talking badly about ourselves than other people. Each thing bad you see in the Talmud probably relates to the Jewish people as a group, and then down to the individual Jewish soul.

Shalom and Salaam,

Gershon
I
Source(s):

Baba Metzia 114b
Tanach

[lotsoffreetime]

So you Google something, you get led to a Web site about a Jewish/extraterrestrial conspiracy to take over the world, and you ask for an explanation from Jews?

LOL, no..I've been in some pro Palestinian gathering which is very common in Malaysia. Mind you we don't talk about jihad or anything like that, but there are times when people say "hey the Jews did this and that because that's what the Torah says! Heck, I can even quote the verse!"

I kinda remember how the verse sounded like and decided to google it, which takes me to that site.

[lotsoffreetime]

Thanks, Sinophile. I guess what it meant was that non-Jews acted like animals when they deprive themselves from being close to God. Got it.

[Mr.K]

The reason is "money" .

[AZZenny]

@Black mamba -- Mohammed claimed to be the prophesied Jewish Messiah, and Jewish leaders began turning against him. His followers claimed Jews had altered the Torah to eliminate him as the final prophet, and they rewrote the Torah, so I will defer to a Judaic scholar to address the question of punishment being taken from the Torah. Mohammed spoke in the Quran of Allah's retribution against Jews (and Christians) for refusing to believe he was the final prophet.

You are right that it is the Hadith, which most Muslims take as Mohammed's words, where Jews are cursed. My apology.

"A Jew will not be found alone with a Muslim without plotting to kill him." According to another hadith, Muhammad said: "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'".

I already said Jews were allowed certain professions, didn't say I was exhaustive. Islam was generally more tolerant of Jews than Christianity of the time.
Nevertheless, there are many examples of Muslim antisemitism: 9th century "persecution and outbreaks of violence"; 10th and 11th and 12th centuries antisemitic propaganda that "made Jews out to be untrustworthy, treacherous oppressors, and exploiters of Muslims," and there were periodic pogroms and massacres (Cordoba 1011, Grenada 1166, etc.); some periods established ghettos -- but death vs conversion was rare, although see Spain 1165.

As to pre-Israel antisemitism and cozying up to Hitler, perhaps you want to look up the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? (Mohammad Amin al-Husayni) Nazi-inspired attacks on Jews in Algeria, Iraq, Libya in the 1930's and early 1940's? The Young Egypt Party of the 1930's?

Muslims have been no better, and no different, than any other group in power in terms of antisemitism, and it long antedates modern Israel.

[Hollis]

There are certain quotes that was claimed to be from the Torah that I need clarification here. What's important about this verses is that it is said to contribute towards the 'Israeli aggression' towards Muslims.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").



Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.



Can any of the jewish members clarify these statements? Are they real? Are there explanation to this?


More verses in here:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_tidbits.html

No, I don't spend my time in this website. I just googled about a verse regarding gentile and blood and was directed here.


Jee, posting from a racist site, Why don't you just post from stormfront and cut the chase.

Do your own research, post that crap again and you can join the David Duke wannabe.

[Atasas]

her the fu$k?|* here we go again... same as regarding topics with Russian imperialism...
just can't put up shut up and live a life?
arguing/quoting/winging....

[lotsoffreetime]

Jee, posting from a racist site, Why don't you just post from stormfront and cut the chase.

Do your own research, post that crap again and you can join the David Duke wannabe.

I do see the question needs to be asked here as it is a very popular claim in the Muslim world. There is no need for me to go to stormfront as I'm not a white supremacist nor am I white. Its an honest question from a person who sees these kind of claim from a lot of sources in my country. I sign up to learn, and that's what I'm doing.

[Hollis]

I do see the question needs to be asked here as it is a very popular claim in the Muslim world. There is no need for me to go to stormfront as I'm not a white supremacist nor am I white. Its an honest question from a person who sees these kind of claim from a lot of sources in my country. I sign up to learn, and that's what I'm doing.


We expect a level of maturity here. If you lack the discernment to determine if something is inflammatory or not, this may not be the site for you. This site does not tolerate racism. I don't care who it is against. You did the google search to find it, you can do the google search to determine if it is BS or not.

This also goes with posting terrorist's video, ****ography, ect......... you post them, you get the rewards, again it goes back to age and maturity.


If you got a problem, review the forum rules.


NOW, let's get back on topic.

[lotsoffreetime]

I guess posting the link was a mistake. My apologies.

[Daft Ego]

Ignorance is the root of all form of generalized-hatred.

[khukuri]

Along the lines of what ting is saying.


My thought it is a part of maintaining power and control. Racism/bigotry in general is more for keeping the regular citizen inline. It also gives oppressed people a way to blow of steam, rather than against the real oppressor or problem maker, but some defenseless minority population.

If one person is oppressed then we all are oppressed.


spot on..............

[alexz]

Anti semtism through out history was instigated by church or state as a mean to both deflect attention from their own theft, curroption and grees and to unite the nations.
Nothing like hating some foreign to unite the people and feel better about your self.

[WKD]

If the JEws stopped trying to steal my precious bodily fluids I would stop being anti-semetic.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Demagogues require money to buy their zealots and scapegoats to distract their attentions from the con. You get two for the price of one with the Jewish.

[Anaroch]

Other than serving as scapegoats to give substance to peoples worries and negative emotions (someone to take them out on), in a religious context I believe it served as a tool to further legitimize, for example, Islam and Christianity even though they both share many many traits with Judaism. By professing Jews inferior through the "word of God", the professing religion is strengthened to the non-Jewish because it creates an excuse, a reason for that religion to be held as superior. Yes, this was practiced in many other religions but the explosions of both Christianity and Islam made this particularly troublesome for the comparatively smaller Jewish community. Since it began, Anti-Semitism remained because it became the "go-to" reason for many peoples problems, even until recently.

[Zarak]

I think a lot of 'anti-Semitism' is imaginary or overblown. Certain people try to link anti-Zionism to anti-Semitism, particularly in the United States. Any time anyone, journalists and politicians particularly, makes remarks which are critical of Israel there are those that claim they are anti-Semites. Robert Fisk has been claimed by some to be an 'anti-Semite' for some of the things he has written over the years, for example (as an aside, if you haven't read The Great War for Civilization, its an amazing book).

Real anti-Semitism on the other hand has come in many forms over the years. Generally, in places like Germany and Palestine, it comes from a sense of powerlessness combined with a real or imaginary external 'threat'.

[Hollis]

Be careful on how you post. This site doe not tolerate racism or bigotry, Think about how your post will be understood by others before you hit the submit button.

If you feel the need to bloviate.......... go to off topic and humor or just to another forum.


Does not matter who the target is. We expect a certain amount of respect to all our members religious beliefs or lack there off.

Islam is not the issue in this thread. None of the various religions/on non-religions needs your approval or disapproval.

[Fat Lazy American]

I think a lot of 'anti-Semitism' is imaginary or overblown. Certain people try to link anti-Zionism to anti-Semitism, particularly in the United States.

http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/malhotra_margalit.php

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1063092.html

But I'm sure the 25 percent or so of Americans and 40 percent or so of Europeans who blame "the Jews" for the economic crisis are really just "anti-Zionists", not "anti-Semites", right?

Are there such thing as anti-Zionists who are not anti-Semites? Sure. There are those who are ideologically opposed to all nation states.

What do I think of Robert Fisk? I think he hates the Jewish state above all else. What does he think of Jews? I don't really know.

I do know he's a piss-poor journalist, though. He and Jeremy Bowen and all their little buddies can either reassign themselves somewhere where they aren't so emotionally involved or become analysts or commentators. What they do isn't reporting.

[ronnieraygun]

Why hate on the Jews? What remotely rational reason do people in the West have to hate on the Jews?

There is no "rational" reason. One of my university degrees was in history and one pattern I saw was that traditions actually don't last for thousands upon thousands of years - prejudices are slightly less ancient. At some point in time in European Christendom, Jews were permitted to engage in usury by default because Christians were not.
My old Swedish grandfather referred to Franklin Roosevelt as "Rosenfeld" because it was assumed he was screwing Midwestern US farmers to make Jewish bankers rich. So from a personal perspective, I would say a lot of current anti-semitism has it's origins in a rural vs. urban, Christian vs. Jew dialectic culturally inherited from the European late middle ages.
I can't speak for much more than that - perspectives in the Arab world or other parts of the world other than Europe and North America may be different. Curiously, most western history classes these days will hold up many predominantly Muslim societies as paragons of tolerance vis a vis their treatment of Jewish minorities when you look at them historically (Spain, Ottoman empire, etc) I don't think anyone would say the same about contemporary societies that are predominantly Muslim - I can't guess as to why that is (creation of the state of Israel, popular misconceptions brewed around the village well, etc) but my point is the roots of anti-semitism are NOT universal.
Also understand that IIRC the tribe of Shem includes Arabs - I believe it is a fairly recent linguistic construct that "anti-semitism" means prejudice toward Jews specifically. Someone else can correct that if I'm wrong.

[Fat Lazy American]

Also understand that IIRC the tribe of Shem includes Arabs - I believe it is a fairly recent linguistic construct that "anti-semitism" means prejudice toward Jews specifically. Someone else can correct that if I'm wrong.

"Anti-Semitism" itself is a fairly recent linguistic construct, and it has always meant prejudice against Jews.

Meaning, it didn't originally mean "prejudice against all Semites" and then narrow down to just refer to Jews. It's 19th century German in origin -- "Semite" was being used as a synonym for Jews by racist German nationalists.

[ronnieraygun]

"Anti-Semitism" itself is a fairly recent linguistic construct, and it has always meant prejudice against Jews.

Meaning, it didn't originally mean "prejudice against all Semites" and then narrow down to just refer to Jews. It's 19th century German in origin -- "Semite" was being used as a synonym for Jews by racist German nationalists.

Thanks, man. I always liked etymology. I'm not trying to derail the thread but I completely **** a brick the first time I saw "Islamophobia" in print. It puts the discussion in perspective when you think what that will mean in years if the term even exists.

[dttk0009]

"Anti-Semitism" itself is a fairly recent linguistic construct, and it has always meant prejudice against Jews.

Meaning, it didn't originally mean "prejudice against all Semites" and then narrow down to just refer to Jews. It's 19th century German in origin -- "Semite" was being used as a synonym for Jews by racist German nationalists.
Source? I thought it was a word to describe a group of languages, originally.

[AZZenny]

many predominantly Muslim societies as paragons of tolerance vis a vis their treatment of Jewish minorities when you look at them historically (Spain, Ottoman empire, etc)


I will only say that as a student of History myself, there is plenty of evidence to contradict this hair-shirted Euro-centric view. Most Islamic countries were substantially better for resident Jews than the Euro-Christian nations were during the medieval through industrial revolution periods, but it was unreliable, and 'paragon of tolerance'? Exaggeration. However, Jews often were treated much better than Christians during that period in Muslim-ruled countries.

[Fat Lazy American]

Source? I thought it was a word to describe a group of languages, originally.

"Semitic" was originally used to describe a group of languages/peoples.

"Antisemitisch" (in German) was originally used to refer to prejudice against Jews, not against all speakers of Semitic languages. The word carried that meaning into English and has been used specifically to mean hatred of Jews for over 100 years.

It's really not that hard to understand unless one is being deliberately obtuse.

A lot of words and phrases work this way. If someone says they are "pro-choice", they are saying they believe a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to abort a fetus they are carrying. Saying you're "pro-choice" because you believe people should have the right to choose at which restaurant to eat dinner is absurd.

[Yoni-R]

mm-hmmm, indeed, sir. Forgiving phase?
****ing asshole......

bad move...


i have to agree with the point that people need someone or some group to hate and put blame on just for the sake of it. but at this point in time, i think a lot of it is due to the mindless hate that passes from parents to children. i was being told jewish jokes and being hated on from the 2nd grade, by kids who were taught hitler was a bad guy but then went and told jokes about jews being killed in the holocaust.

much later on when these kids got a bit of education behind them and started thinking for themselves, we were friends and they admitted ignorance.

my point is, a lot of the hatred comes from people who have never met a jew, and these people unfortuanlety spread the hate to family and friends and it grows from there.

there are still people in the world who think jews have horns, a tail and massive noses. ignorance is the cause of the blind hatred.

[XShipRider]

Ya gotta love people who hate any particular group then claim to be Christian. They conveniently forget;
1) love thy neighbor,
2) love thine enemy,
3) do unto others...,
and 4) if it weren't for Christ being sacrificed on the crucifix they would be part of a Jewish sect.

Time to close the thread before it gets out of hand.

[BMUS]

mm-hmmm, indeed, sir. Forgiving phase?
****ing asshole......
bloody idiot.

[Degenek]

You cannot really expect to have an objective discussion on this topic as it's a no-go area in today's society. Obviously the only thing schools and the media teach the West about Jews is the holocaust so I'm not surprised that you are puzzled by this issue.


LordKitchener banned? That was unexpected. roflroflrofl

http://i26.tinypic.com/bfgx09.jpg

[Connaught Ranger]

Jesus and his followers were jews, I don't personally know any christians who hate jews.

Also, any christians with an interest in the true history of what was going on at the time(admittedly few), know that some historians have claimed the story of barabbas to be entirely falsified. Jesus was also sometimes known as Bar-Abba and is believed to have led a rather large and peaceful protest over Pilate's placing of roman standards on the Jewish temple.

It was successful and incidently...Jesus was arrested and crucified a short time after. So it may be that Jesus was actually crucified by the Romans for being seen as a trouble maker.

It is really difficult to know what might have been changed from the original texts once the romans got involved. It appears some things were added or changed in order to make themselves look better.

So the killing of Jews, even those who changed faith during the Spanish Inquisition was done by aliens :roll:.

Wiki Not the most reliable of sources, but


Repression of Jews

The number of Jews who left Spain is not even approximately known.



Historians of the period give extremely high figures: Juan de Mariana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Mariana) speaks of 800,000 people, and Don Isaac Abravanel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Isaac_Abravanel) of 300,000. Modern estimates are much lower: Henry Kamen estimates that, of a population of approximately 80,000 Jews, about one half or 40,000 chose emigration.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-9)



The Jews of the kingdom of Castile emigrated mainly to Portugal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal) (from where they were expelled in 1497) and to Morocco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco). However, according to Henry Kamen, the Jews of the kingdom of Aragon, went "to adjacent Christian lands, mainly to Italy," rather than to Muslim lands as is often assumed.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#cite_note-10)



Much later the Sefardim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefardim), descendants of Spanish Jews, established communities in many cities of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), North Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa), and the Ottoman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire).


Jews were baptised in the three months before the deadline for expulsion, some 40,000 if one accepts the totals given by Kamen: most of these undoubtedly to avoid expulsion, rather than a sincere change of faith.



These conversos were the principal concern of the Inquisition; continuing to practice Judaism put them at risk of denunciation and trial.


The most intense period of persecution of conversos lasted until 1530. From 1531 to 1560, however, the percentage of conversos among the Inquisition trials dropped to 3% of the total. There was a rebirth of persecutions when a group of crypto-Jews was discovered in Quintanar de la Orden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintanar_de_la_Orden) in 1588; and there was a rise in denunciations of conversos in the last decade of the 16th century.



At the beginning of the 17th century, some conversos who had fled to Portugal began to return to Spain, fleeing the persecution of the Portuguese Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisition),
(It held its first auto de fé (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_de_fe) in Portugal in 1540. Like the Spanish Inquisition, it concentrated its efforts on rooting out those who had converted from other faiths (overwhelmingly Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism)) who did not adhere to the strictures of Catholic orthodoxy; as in Spain, the Portuguese inquisitors mostly targeted the Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) "New Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christians)," conversos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversos), or marranos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marranos).) founded in 1532. This led to a rapid increase in the trials of crypto-Jews, among them a number of important financiers. In 1691, during a number of Autos de Fe in Majorca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorca), 36 chuetas, or conversos of Majorca, were burned.
During the 18th century the number of conversos accused by the Inquisition decreased significantly. Manuel Santiago Vivar (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manuel_Santiago_Vivar&action=edit&redlink=1), tried in Cordoba in 1818, was the last person tried for being a crypto-Jew.


Now of course you did not personally know any of the Spanish or Portuguese Christians who took part in these acts but they did happen. p-)

To deny that is to be Revisionist in thinking.

Connaught Ranger

[RIPTIDE]

So the killing of Jews, even those who changed faith during the Spanish Inquisition was done by aliens :roll:.

Wiki Not the most reliable of sources, but



Now of course you did not personally know any of the Spanish or Portuguese Christians who took part in these acts but they did happen. p-)

To deny that is to be Revisionist in thinking.

Connaught Ranger
Aye, but lets be clear, Christians, Muslim and Jews shared similar problems during the Inquisition. There was anti Papist, Anti Muslim, Anti Jew and Anti Protestant acts dished out by them.

[Connaught Ranger]

Aye, but lets be clear, Christians, Muslim and Jews shared similar problems during the Inquisition. There was anti Papist, Anti Muslim, Anti Jew and Anti Protestant acts dished out by them.

Yes but my point is the people organizing the Inquisition were Catholic's aka Christians.

The same for the attacks against the Jewish Commune in Vienna when Europeans were on the march to the Holy Land to fight in the Crusades.

So there is a history of Christians killing Jews, never more systematically than the Nazi's between 1939 - 1945.

Connaught Ranger.

[Eye]

So there is a history of Christians killing Jews, never more systematically than the Nazi's between 1939 - 1945.


Thread about anti-Semitism is changing into thread about anti-Christianity.

[Connaught Ranger]

Thread about anti-Semitism is changing into thread about anti-Christianity.

Only in your tiny mind.:roll:

[alexz]

Thread about anti-Semitism is changing into thread about anti-Christianity.
Last I checkd the christinity revolves around a Jew, No?

[Hollis]

Let's get back on topic.......... or a locked thread will happen.

[RIPTIDE]

Yes but my point is the people organizing the Inquisition were Catholic's aka Christians.

The same for the attacks against the Jewish Commune in Vienna when Europeans were on the march to the Holy Land to fight in the Crusades.

So there is a history of Christians killing Jews, never more systematically than the Nazi's between 1939 - 1945.

Connaught Ranger.
Ya. There is a history of Apples falling off trees. Theres also a history of Christians having ***, and murdering and raping... and robbing... Oh wait. Everyone does that regardless of religion.

Point been, don't generalise. You preach that in the Roma-NI thread. Christians saved many Jews. And they stand as a towering example to all of us, Gentile or Jew.


October 30th is the 40th anniversary of the death of a truly extraordinary man - the genial, gentle priest, Monsignor Hugh O’Flaherty, known as the Pimpernel of the Vatican, who saved the lives of over 4,000 British and American soldiers and Jews from torture and death at the hands of the Gestapo in German-occupied Rome during World War II. And he did it without the knowledge of the Vatican.

http://www.terracetalkireland.com/images/icons/bullett.gif Now, 40 years after his death, the Israeli Government is planning to award its highest honour on the Irish priest to whom the only memorials to date are the film, the Scarlet and the Black, starring Gregory Peck and a grove of trees in Killarney National Park. The Israelis are planting another tree in his honour at the Yad Vashem holocaust memorial in Jerusalem. The Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Authority also plans to confer the title, “Righteous Among Nations” on Monsignor O’Flaherty, who is the first Irishman to receive this honour, in appreciation of having saved the lives of thousands of Rome’s Jews from the Holocaust.


St. Kolbe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXx0UTQ5SA

[RIPTIDE]

Thread about anti-Semitism is changing into thread about anti-Christianity.
I agree. p-)

[dttk0009]

"Semitic" was originally used to describe a group of languages/peoples.

"Antisemitisch" (in German) was originally used to refer to prejudice against Jews, not against all speakers of Semitic languages. The word carried that meaning into English and has been used specifically to mean hatred of Jews for over 100 years.

It's really not that hard to understand unless one is being deliberately obtuse.

A lot of words and phrases work this way. If someone says they are "pro-choice", they are saying they believe a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to abort a fetus they are carrying. Saying you're "pro-choice" because you believe people should have the right to choose at which restaurant to eat dinner is absurd.
I'm not being deliberately obtuse, just simply clarifying.

[AZZenny]

Modern Antisemitism isn't pushed overtly by most other religions, as much as it is by dictatorial political groups or politically-connected religious extremist groups.

Just look at who in the modern era has fostered the creation, publication, translation, reprinting, etc. of The Protocols, which is where most current anti-semitic conspiracy theories actually come from: The Czars in Russia, Kaiser Wilhelm, upper-crust newspapers in the US and Europe in the WWI and Depression era, the anti-Bolsheviks in Russia and Europe, Henry Ford and anti labor-union groups, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin, and -- WalMart, if you need additional proof that it's meant to distract the un-informed masses from their real problems.

It is still published as factual under the direction of the Saudi royals, and taught as fact in schools in many ME countries. It's promoted by current Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, and Iranian state Television and state publishing companies -- among others including Hezbollah and Hamas, and its a big seller. (Walmart hinted that it was factual until 2004.)

The very first version actually targeted Jesuits as plotting world domination, then Napoleon III, then Jews, then briefly Communists and Freemasons, but its been all Jews all the time since the 1920s.

It is a political screed used by extreme right (and sometimes the extreme left) and it is the primary continuing source of modern anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.

[fisheyestudio]

Hey Howdy Hey!

I just got in from taking my older youth to a summer camp and am leaving in the morning to take the younger guys to a different camp....SO I only have time for a short answer. (This is a very interesting thread by the way).

From the time I have spent studying the scriptures from a literal, contextual point of reference I conclude this:

If Satan can kill all the Jews then Jesus cannot return and crush Satan and his kingdom. Thus satan, being the "god" of the world system has striven to create an anti-Semitic atmosphere.

Here is part of why I conclude this...

Luke 13:22-35 Because the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as the Messiah they will not see Him again until they repent and call out to Him as Messiah for help at the end of the tribulation. Therefore, Satan knows if he could kill all Jews then Jesus could not return to the earth and crush him without violating His own words. (I am not saying it is a wise plan but maybe he thinks he has found a loophole kind’a like in the movie Dogma).

Mathew 12:22-32 Jewish leadership and thus the “nation” blasphemed the Holy Spirit by rejecting Jesus as the Messiah by saying He did his miracles by the power of satan and that generation (and others since) reaped terrible consequences because of their unbelief.

Some Christian believe the church is fulfilling all the unconditional covenants that God made with Abraham and is therefore not dealing with the Jews as a "people". I disagree with this completely.

On a secular level I agree with the posts that state anti-Semitism is a political tool...but the spiritual dimension of the problem is what really defines the reality of what we see happening.

A bond-slave of Christ.
chris

[AZZenny]

Well, I tried to nudge it off religion...

[Wojtop]

I can vaguely tell you why in Poland, where Jews lived peacefully for hundreds of years and made some 10% of the society, anti-semitism raised its head in XIX and XX century. The reason was primarly their resistance to integrate into the society, they have chosen to be "aliens" and remained them for hundreds of years with their own values, language and traditions.

Between XV and XIX century Poland was probably the most tolerant and liberal country in Europe, Jews had little problems here, they became an integral part of the society as merchants, craftsmans and inn-owners. In the regions where Church regarded them as danger it tried to incite population against them but with pretty poor results.

Then came the XIX century and German/Russian occupation. Polish elites refused to accept the occupation and raised revolt after revolt to regain the independence, as a result Poles were prosecuted without mercy. Vast majority of Jews stood aside. They just wanted to keep their faith, their culture and survive. Entirely undrestandable. Russians prefered calm Jews as officials, clerks and trede partners over rebelious and "treacherous" Poles and in a way favoured them over Poles - entirely understandable. Many Poles took the Jewish behaviour as a treason - entirely understandable.

Here comes the conflict - being a visible minority, refusing to integrate and putting interest of your own group over the interest of the majority puts you in danger. Always. Same for Jews - they were always very visible, they were always a minority and they strongly sticked to their own faith, culture and people. When the interest of their own group came in conflict with the interest of the majority here you got the antisemitism.
Killing Jesus was not a good PR move neither.

[Hollis]

Looks like we are starting to run in circles.............