'Nervous China may attack India by 2012'

[josh21x]

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'Nervous China may attack India by 2012'
Bharat Verma
2009-07-12 16:11:45
Last Updated: 2009-07-12 17:34:20
Bharat Verma is Editor, Indian Defence Review and the author of the book Faultlines.

China will launch an attack on India before 2012.

There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century.

The recession that shut the Chinese exports shop is creating an unprecedented internal social unrest. In turn, the vice-like grip of the communists' over the society stands severely threatened.
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Unemployment is on the increase. The unofficial estimate stands at whopping 14 percent. Worldwide, the recession has put 30 million people out of their jobs. Economic slowdown is depleting the foreign exchange reserves. Foreign investors are slowly shifting out. To create a domestic market, the massive dole of loans to individuals is turning out to be a nightmare. There appears to be a flight of capital in billions of dollars in the shape of diamond and gold bought in Hong Kong and shipped out in end 2008.

The fear of losing control over the Chinese masses is forcing the communists to compulsorily install filtering software on new computers on sale, to crush dissent on the Internet, even though it is impossible to censor in entirety the flow of information as witnessed recently in Tibet, Xinjiang and Iran today.

The growing internal unrest is making Beijing jittery.

The external picture appears to be equally dismal. The unfolding Obama strategy seems to be scoring goals for democracy and freedom without firing a single shot.

While George Bush unwittingly united and arrayed against himself Islamic countries and radical Islam worldwide, Obama has put radical Islam in disarray by lowering the intra-societal temperature vis-a-vis America and the Muslim world. He deftly hints at democracy in his talk without directly threatening any group or country and the youth pick it up from there, as in Iran.

With more and more Chinese citizens beginning to demand political freedom, the future of the communists is also becoming uncertain. The technological means available in 21st century to spread democracy is definitely not conducive to the totalitarian regime in Beijing.

India's chaotic but successful democracy is an eyesore for the authoritarian regime in Beijing. Unlike India, China is handicapped as it lacks soft power- an essential ingredient to spread influence. This adds further fuel to the fire.

In addition, the growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness. Obama's AF- PAK policy has intelligently set the thief to catch the thief. The stated withdrawal from Iraq by Americans now allows them to concentrate its military surplus on the single front to successfully execute the mission. This surplus, in combination with other democratic forces, can enable the Americans to look deep in to resource rich Central Asia, besides containing China's expansionist ambitions.

To offset this adverse scenario, while overtly pretending to side with the West, the Chinese covertly ordered their other proxy, North Korea, to conduct underground nuclear tests and carry out trials of missiles that threaten Japan and South Korea.

The Chinese anxiety is understandable. Under Bush's declared policy of being 'a strategic competitor' alongside the 'axis of evil', they shared a large strategic maneuverability with others of similar hues. However, Obama's policies wisely denies Beijing such a luxury by reclaiming more and more of the international strategic space ceded by the previous administration.

The communists in China, therefore, need a military victory to unite the disillusioned citizenry behind them. This will also help market a psychological perception that the 21st century belongs to China and to underline their deep belief in the superiority of the Chinese race. To retain the communist party's hold on power, it is essential to divert attention from the brewing internal dissent.

In an autocratic system, normally the only fodder to unite the citizenry is by raising their nationalistic feelings. The easy method for Beijing to heighten the feeling of patriotism and thus national unity is to design a war with an adversary. They believe that this will help them to midwife the Chinese century too. That is the end game rooted in the firm belief of the Communists that Chinese race is far superior to Nazi Germany and is destined to 'Lord over the Earth'.

At present, there is no overall cost benefit ratio in integrating Taiwan by force with the mainland since under the new dispensation in Taipei, the island is 'behaving' itself. Also, the American presence around the region is too strong for comfort. There is also the factor of Japan to take into account. Though Beijing is increasing its naval presence in South China Sea to coerce into submission those opposing its claim on the Spratly Islands, at this point of time in history it will be unwise for the recession-hit China to move against the Western interests, including Japan.

Therefore, the most attractive option is to attack a soft target like India and forcibly occupy its territory in the Northeast.

Ideally, the Chinese believe that the east-wind should prevail over the west-wind. However, despite their imperial calculations of the past, they lag behind the West, particularly America, by many decades. Hence, they want the east-wind to at least prevail over the other east-wind, i.e., India, to ensure their dominance over Asia.

Beijing's cleverly raising the hackles on its fabricated dispute in Arunachal Pradesh to an alarming level is the preparatory groundwork for imposing such a conflict on India. A sinking Pakistan will team up with China to teach India 'the final lesson'.

The Chinese leadership wants to rally its population behind the communist rule. As it is, Beijing is already rattled, with its proxy Pakistan, now literally embroiled in a civil war, losing its sheen against India. Above all, it is worried over the growing alliance of India with the United States and the West, because the alliance has the potential to create a technologically superior counterpoise.

All these three concerns of Chinese Communists are best addressed by waging a war against pacifist India to achieve multiple strategic objectives. But India, otherwise the biggest challenge to the supremacy of China in Asia, is least prepared on ground to face the Chinese threat.

How will India face and respond vigorously to repulse the Chinese game plan? Will Indian leadership be able to take the heat of war? Have they laid the groundwork adequately to defend India? Is Indian military equipped to face the two-front wars by Beijing and Islamabad? Is the Indian civil administration geared to meet the internal security challenges that the external actors will sponsor simultaneously through their doctrine of unrestricted warfare?

The answers are an unequivocal 'no'. Pacifist India is not ready by a long shot either on the internal or the external front.

It is said that a long time back, a king with an excellent military machine at his disposal could not stomach the violence involved in winning wars. So he renounced war in victory. This led to the rise of the pacifist philosophies. The state either refused to defend itself or neglected the instruments that could defend it.

Any 'extreme' is dangerous, as it tends to create imbalance in statecraft. We saw that in the unjust unilateral aggression in Iraq. It diminished the American aura and recessed the economy.

China's despotic regime is another extreme, scared to permit political dissent. This will fuel an explosion worse than the Tiananmen Square. Despite use of disproportionate force and demographic invasion of Tibet, Beijing’s hold remains tenuous. Pakistan's over-aggressive agenda in the name of jihad haunts it now to the point of fragmentation of the state.

Similarly, India's pacifism is the other extreme.

26/11s will occur on a regular basis as it infects policymaking. Such extreme postures on either side invariably generate wars. Armed with an aggressive Wahabi philosophy, Pakistan, in cohort with China, wants to destabilize a pacifist India.

India's instruments of state steeped in pacifism are unable to rise to its defence.

In the past 60 years, instead of offering good governance, the deep-rooted pacifism contributed to the Civil Administration ceding control of 40 per cent of the Union's territory to the Maoists and 10 percent to other insurgents, effecting a shrinking influence internally, as well as in the 'near abroad'.

India must rapidly shift out from its defeatist posture of pacifism to deter China.

New Delhi's stance should modify, not to aggression, but to a firm assertion in statecraft. The state must also exclusively retain the capability of intervention by use of force internally as well as externally. If it permits the non-state actors to develop this capability in competition, then the state will wither away. On the contrary, the state machinery should ensure a fast- paced development in the Red Corridor even it if has to hold Maoists’ hostage at gunpoint. Only the state’s firm and just intervention will dissolve the Maoist movement.

Keeping in view the imminent threat posed by China, the quickest way to swing out of pacifism to state of assertion is by injecting military thinking in the civil administration to build the sinews. That will enormously increase the deliverables on ground - from Lalgarh to Tawang.http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?a=jhmqlGgeaia&title=Nervous_China_may_attack_India_by_2012

[Skutatos]

Well good luck with that China...don't be surprised when you get your ass handed to you. The Indian army has gone through drastic changes since the 1962 war.

[matthew.manhorn]

Well good luck with that China...don't be surprised when you get your ass handed to you. The Indian army has gone through drastic changes since the 1962 war.

You're dumb enough to believe that China will invade a nuclear-armed country?

[maoddd]

typical indian victim mentality and inferiority complex;
cry more. like the world would care, really.

[cn_habs]

Well good luck with that China...don't be surprised when you get your ass handed to you. The Indian army has gone through drastic changes since the 1962 war.

Are you that childish? Nothing good will come out of it for both nations. But who knows what's going on inside the Indians' head? Do you honestly believe that you can win now or anywhere in the near future? You are entitled to your opinion after all.

[The Dane]

OMG !!!111
Rest in Pieces, China and India.
You'll be missed ..

[Skutatos]

You're dumb enough to believe that China will invade a nuclear-armed country?

An attack by China would be a border war type event. China isn't dumb enough to actually attempt a full scale invasion, nor is India dumb enough to instigate a nuclear war over a border conflict. As the article says, the main goal would be to unite the populace.

The insult was not neccessary btw.

[Skutatos]

Are you that childish? Nothing good will come out of it for both nations. But who knows what's going on inside the Indians' head? Do you honestly believe that you can win now or anywhere in the near future? You are entitled to your opinion after all.

I am not childish, nor am I Indian. The fact is...China would not be attempting full scale invasion. This would be like 1962 where they attack, kill some Indians, declare overwhelming victory and leave to gain support from their own people.

Unlike 1962 however they will be facing a well trained, well equipped army with large resources and experience.

Whats with the insults today?:bash:

[click]

I may attack the internet by 2012.
Fact.

[matthew.manhorn]

An attack by China would be a border war type event. China isn't dumb enough to actually attempt a full scale invasion, nor is India dumb enough to instigate a nuclear war over a border conflict. As the article says, the main goal would be to unite the populace.

The insult was not neccessary btw.

I apologize for the insult, my bad

[cn_habs]

An attack by China would be a border war type event. China isn't dumb enough to actually attempt a full scale invasion, nor is India dumb enough to instigate a nuclear war over a border conflict. As the article says, the main goal would be to unite the populace.

The insult was not neccessary btw.

Show me a fully-Indian made MBT or a fighter jet that isn't years behind. I am not that confident of a Chinese victory because of the disadvantageous terrain but how can you be so sure that India will win? :)

[Henry's Fork]

OMG !!!111
Rest in Pieces, China and India.
You'll be missed ..

rofl

Not sure how much i will miss China. No more Bollywood would make me cry.

Also not sure that China wants to shoot itself in the foot right now by playing ruff with India.

[Dronckaert]

Highly unlikely.

[Super Sheep]

Bharat Verma is Editor, Indian Defence Review and the author of the book Faultlines.

Another bored "expert" and author with nothing good to write about so he decided to proceeded on the tried-n-true tactic of OMG!?!! tHeY aRe GoiNg tO iNvAde us route. You know, fuel some nationalism, play some victim mentality, show the world some inferiority complex.

Not to be rude, but India poses little significance, and no importance to China for China invade, despite what your ****-pot theory may be.

Is this guy trying to sell books or gain some publicity lol?


Well good luck with that China...don't be surprised when you get your ass handed to you.

Hey boy, if you read the article it is the Indians who says China would invade, nobody is fueling this paranoia besides the Indians themselves, China hasn't done shat.

[Skutatos]

Show me a fully-Indian made MBT or a fighter jet that isn't years behind. I am not that confident of a Chinese victory because of the disadvantageous terrain but how can you be so sure that India will win? :)

India does indeed have much 'outdated' equipment, but so does China.

India supposedly has somewhere around 600 T90s, about equivalent to the number of Type 99s the chinese have, neither design has been tried in combat as far as I know... so knowing the true capabilities of either would be difficult. Both seem to be decent machines though.

India would be fighting on her own territory, and based on some recent news articles, they have been moving troops to the border...so I do not believe they would be caught unaware like in 1962.

If the chinese did attack India with the goal of unifying their own populace they would need it to end quickly. ANY military failure on their part would be a disaster. If the attack started to look bad for China, I suspect they would fall back, declare victory and accomplish their goal without suffering political embarrassment.

Now a full scale war is another thing altogether...2 massive populations, one third of the world's population at war with each other...who knows how things would turn out.

[SBL]

typical indian victim mentality and inferiority complex;
cry more. like the world would care, really.
"Oho!' said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so! kettle said to the pot;
" 'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean -without blemish or blot-
That your blackness is mirrored in me"

[Flecktarn92]

One things for sure there would be a hell of a lot less pollution in the world.

[Super Sheep]

Has nobody concluded that the author of this article is pretty much writing yellow journalism?

Sensational Tom Clancy kind of ****?

[Eagle The Lightning]

O rly?

........

[Darklord]

Sensationalism, pure and simple.

Even if China wanted to evoke nationalism through war, they have better/worse opponents to pick. Vietnam or probably Mongolia (??). Anyway, a Chinese aggression towards any of it's neighbors might persuade some other neighbors to shun complacency and start building up their forces.

For all I know, the last thing the Chinese want would be an invigorated Japan and/or Taiwan and/or increased American presence in the area.

[Panchito12]

Is this another bad Tom Clancy novel?

[sujithkochi]

Who is this so called 'defence expert' and what are his credentials? How was he able to predict it will happen by 2012?

China is not Pakistan - IMO they wouldnt do something so dumb which will have serious consequences just to divert the attention from the growing internal dissent.

Seems like this guy has been watching a lot of Bollywood movies and wants some attention to himself - so he made up such sensational news

[nick1]

if this was to happen in 3-4 weeks the entire indian navy would storm out of the indian ocean and be in south china sea. It would be a disaster for the chinese who would be subject to a patial naval blocade and the entire pacific ocean would be in a wash nike and puma shoes floating in the south china sea.

[Super Sheep]

if this was to happen in 3-4 weeks the entire indian navy would storm out of the indian ocean and be in south china sea. It would be a disaster for the chinese who would be subject to a patial naval blocade and the entire pacific ocean would be in a wash nike and puma shoes floating in the south china sea.

LoL, the Indian navy is hardly a "power projection" force capable of even a partial (not patial) naval blockade (not blocade) of anything. It would be a disaster for the Indians, who would have no ability to resupply their forces and since this "storm out" would take the Indian navy away from their home turf in the Indian ocean and place them in China's backyard (which is strategical and tactical f-up), it would be safe to say that the entire pacific ocean would be a washed with curry and dead Indian corpses (not trying to be rude either)


But since, this article is a example of Indian paranoia and a sensational Tom Clancy clone, it is safe to say that hell would freeze over before this would happen.

Frankly, while Indian see the "China Threat", the Chinese do not see India as one, for India poses little significance, and no importance to China. As said before.

Duh

[josh21x]

Who is this so called 'defence expert' and what are his credentials? How was he able to predict it will happen by 2012?

China is not Pakistan - IMO they wouldnt do something so dumb which will have serious consequences just to divert the attention from the growing internal dissent.

Seems like this guy has been watching a lot of Bollywood movies and wants some attention to himself - so he made up such sensational news

Actually he really is a defence expert, he was a captain in the Indian Army as well as if you trace back history you will see the similarities between today and prior to 1962.

[Super Sheep]

Actually he really is a defence expert, he was a captain in the Indian Army as well as if you trace back history you will see the similarities between today and prior to 1962.

There is plenty of nut cases in any military, plus, if anything being a military man, he must have loved to envision enemies, real and pretend. Or can this be just a former solider, now "defense expert" trying to win brownie points by screaming about a enemy, and hence more defense funding for the Indian military and more creditability to the author?

Sorry man, but this article screams sensational yellow journalism.


And if you traced "history", you would also see there is also a massive amount of difference today compared to 1962. But, nevermind that, I guess India also needs nationalism and a sense of being threaten in order to distract yourselves from your real social problems (cause by you, and not China).

[josh21x]

LoL, the Indian navy is hardly a "power projection" force capable of even a partial (not patial) naval blockade (not blocade) of anything. It would be a disaster for the Indians, who would have no ability to resupply their forces and since this "storm out" would take the Indian navy away from their home turf in the Indian ocean and place them in China's backyard (which is strategical and tactical f-up), it would be safe to say that the entire pacific ocean would be a washed with curry and dead Indian corpses (not trying to be rude either)


But since, this article is a example of Indian paranoia and a sensational Tom Clancy clone, it is safe to say that hell would freeze over before this would happen.

Frankly, while Indian see the "China Threat", the Chinese do not see India as one, for India poses little significance, and no importance to China. As said before.

Duh

Thank you for making yourself look like an idiot! First of all take a map and look where India is located and where the sea lanes are.
India by its virtue of geography is a Aircraft carrier jutting out to the Indian Ocean. There is no need to clamp down the chinese bound ships or oil shipments by going into the South China sea, they can easily do that from Indian Ocean in their home bases. Look at Andaman and Nicobar Islands more properly! India is a large threat, if not China's biggest threat, it is a country which can cripple its economy, has border issues with, will not bow down to HAN Imperalism, has the capacity to China a glass bowl!

It is China that sees India is a threat, India is happy with the Status Quo while China is not!! Maybe we brown Indians are not worthy of your attention, as you seem to imply, but son you are sadly mistaken we actually dont care, we have something called Freedom of Speech, by which we will talk and act on repressive imperalistic psuedo commie regimes based on ethnicity!

[AlexMartin2]

A simple question to both Indians & Chinese: Are you consider China/India as your enemy (or at least country which threatens your security)?

Or you are just "potential adversaries", like any another country with big army?

[josh21x]

A simple question to both Indians & Chinese: Are you consider China/India as your enemy (or at least country which threatens your security)?

Or you are just "potential adversaries", like any another country with big army?

Enemies! heck, They gave Chinese Home delivery of Nuclear Weapons to PAkistan.

[josh21x]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4751231_944abc52e1.jpg

[Super Sheep]

Thank you for making yourself look like an idiot! First of all take a map and look where India is located and where the sea lanes are.
India by its virtue of geography is a Aircraft carrier jutting out to the Indian Ocean.

Duh! if you actually read my post a little more clearly, you would have realized I was referring to the individual who said the Indian Navy would "storm out of the Indian ocean" and into the South China sea.


HAN Imperalism

LOL, funny ****.

And no, I highly doubt China gives as much as a rats ass about India. All I read is "China threat this", "China threat that" "Chinese aggression, yet I see little, if any animosity from the Chinese side. We're more focused with internal issues and Tawian and the West, then what our loud, badgering neighbor is up to. This article you posted, only affirms to this fact.

India devotes more attention and suspension to China, than China to India.. That is FACT (based on the evidence I see on this forum).

Sorry man, but in this case it is you would provoke accusations.

And no, I'm not saying you "poor brown" Indians, or whatever (don't bring skin color, ethnicity) into this mix. Its not what its about. And don't you dare pull the we're a democracy, we have the freedom and speech **** either. Because it is not the point, whatever your brown, pink, purple or white, live in a democratic system, a theocracy or in anarchy.

We, China STILL do not view you as the threat that you view us. You're the one clamoring for the war drums, not us. And no I am not mistaken that you don't care... but WE DON'T.

This article is BS. Just my 2 cents (or yuan)

[dttk0009]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/4751231_944abc52e1.jpg
What's this supposed to be?

[josh21x]

Critical China Sea Lanes
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/china_critical_sea_lanes_2009.jpg

[King of the Grey]

It is China that sees India is a threat, India is happy with the Status Quo while China is not!!

has it ever occured to you that both nations have an insanely long road ahead before the nation can reach the places their founding fathers want them to be?? No, its more likely nationalistic youths/old men from both sides are flaming it up so they'll have a purpose on the internet.

The US is off-limits thanks for shrewd Obama speeches, nothing really big going on in Europe, so other than 'the West', over-zealous netizens of China naturall needs a new enemy. Same goes for Indian conspiracy theorists, Pakistan is pretty much old-ish story, and you can't really blame everything on 'foreign intervention', especially with economic minnow as Pakistan. Just my 2 cents here.

[Super Sheep]

has it ever occured to you that both nations have an insanely long road ahead before the nation can reach the places their founding fathers want them to be?? No, its more likely nationalistic youths/old men from both sides are flaming it up so they'll have a purpose on the internet.

The US is off-limits thanks for shrewd Obama speeches, nothing really big going on in Europe, so other than 'the West', over-zealous netizens of China naturall needs a new enemy. Same goes for Indian conspiracy theorists, Pakistan is pretty much old-ish story, and you can't really blame everything on 'foreign intervention', especially with economic minnow as Pakistan. Just my 2 cents here.

Yup, agreed, thank you. I guess everyone needs some kind of enemy, some foreign entity to blame. A cheap distraction.

And posting a dozen pictures of "critical" sea lanes of China doesn't bring anything new. We already KNOW this. If anything, those sea lanes are your insurance because any negative action China takes, you India take can choke those routes off.

(Oh ****, did I just make a paranoid Indian Nationalist hard in your pants?) I just said you had leverage!... lawl.

[josh21x]

Duh! if you actually read my post a little more clearly, you would have realized I was referring to the individual who said the Indian Navy would "storm out of the Indian ocean" and into the South China sea.



LOL, funny ****.

And no, I highly doubt China gives as much as a rats ass about India. All I read is "China threat this", "China threat that" "Chinese aggression, yet I see little, if any animosity from the Chinese side. We're more focused with internal issues and Tawian and the West, then what our loud, badgering neighbor is up to. This article you posted, only affirms to this fact.

India devotes more attention and suspension to China, than China to India.. That is FACT (based on the evidence I see on this forum).

Sorry man, but in this case it is you would provoke accusations.

And no, I'm not saying you "poor brown" Indians, or whatever (don't bring skin color, ethnicity) into this mix. Its not what its about. And don't you dare pull the we're a democracy, we have the freedom and speech **** either. Because it is not the point, whatever your brown, pink, purple or white, live in a democratic system, a theocracy or in anarchy.

We, China STILL do not view you as the threat that you view us. You're the one clamoring for the war drums, not us. And no I am not mistaken that you don't care... but WE DON'T.

This article is BS. Just my 2 cents (or yuan)


Oh no you dont little chicom,

90% of Chinese feel threatened by Indians...By Gobal Times the official mouthpiece of Chicoms

90% in online poll believe India threatens China's security
Source: The Global Times [14:18 June 11 2009]Comments
By Zhu Shanshan

An online poll conducted by huanqiu.com on June 10 shows that 90 percent of participants believe India poses a big threat to China after India announced it would dispatch 60,000 troops to the border with China.

The tension along the disputed border between the two countries has escalated in the last few days after India's latest military move. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh claimed, despite cooperative India-China relations, his government would make no concessions to China on territorial disputes.

The Indian government's tough stance has won applause among Indian nationalists, but it's not well-received in China.

About 74 percent people in the poll by huanqiu.com believed China should not maintain the friendly relations with India anymore after its military provocation. And more than 65 percent of people taking part in the poll believed India's actions were harmful to bilateral ties and it is more harmful to India.

India's military moves could cast a shadow over bilateral relations, said Dai Xun, an expert in military affairs, who described India's actions as “plundering a burning house”, when the international community was focused on a reported nuclear test in the DPRK, destroying the mutual trust between neighboring countries.

An expert in the Asia-pacific region, Sun Shihai, with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences told the Global Times that the two countries share a lot of mutual interests, so India has to cooperate with China; but India also needs to show its “will and resolution” to both domestic politicians and the international community.

“It (additional deployment) is not helpful to resolve the border dispute, and could easily cause regional tension,” Sun said.

In 1962, India and China fought a brief war over the 3,500 km Himalayan border area. The two countries later signed a treaty and agreed to maintain “peace and tranquility” along the disputed frontier, but since then have made little progress.

http://china.globaltimes.cn/top-photo/2009-06/436320.html


http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=4039

Quote:
NEW DELHI -- While India's immediate military aim is to build a potent strike force against Pakistan, it also harbors long-term plans to field a credible deterrent against China.

This reflects the fact that although military efforts to counter Pakistan, such as the strengthened deployment along India's western frontiers, are usually given precedence, the perceived threat from China remains very much on the radar.

A case in point is India's recent decision to buttress its military presence in the Northeast frontiers by basing its latest "air dominance" Russian Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters there. The move is meant to check China's buildup of military infrastructure in the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) and south China.

Planned for more than two years now, the move finally happened last month when four of the jets formally touched down at Tezpur airbase in Assam. Official sources say that Tezpur will have two Sukhoi squadrons, for a total of 36 jets, in the near future. Chabua, also in Assam, is likely to be another base. Fully-loaded Sukhois can log a cruising-speed range of 3,200 km, allowing them to strike targets deep inside of China from the base in Tezpur.

India's military response has been due to a calculated Chinese buildup in the area over the past few years. It is believed that Beijing has built at least four airbases in TAR and another three or four in south China, all with India specifically in mind, while also keeping an eye on oil-transiting sea lanes further south.

China's energy stakes in the region will only rise in the near future, necessitating the military contingency plans. Starting in September 2009, China will begin to lay parallel oil and natural-gas pipelines from Myanmar's Arakan coast in the Bay of Bengal to China's Yunnan province. The 1,100-km gas pipeline will be fed by Myanmar's energy-rich Shwe gas fields.

China is also building multiple air, road and rail infrastructure along the 4,000-km Line of Control that marks the border with India, allowing for easy troop movement.

In addition to these conventional preparations, New Delhi believes that Beijing has built about 60 launch pads for nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles near Delingha and Da Qaidam in central China, within range of northern India and southern Russia.

In response, India has been developing the 3,500-km Agni-III ballistic missile, capable of nuclear payload delivery, which should be ready for operational deployment by 2011. Meanwhile, work is in progress for the maiden test of the 5,000-km Agni-V missile by mid-2010.

New Delhi has also announced the addition of two infantry divisions -- roughly 30,000 troops -- to the 10 mountain divisions already tabbed for defense against China. The move was to meet "future security challenges" posed by China. There are reports that a new artillery division equipped with 155mm howitzers guns and multiple-launch rocket systems will also be deployed soon.

Indeed, despite continuous diplomatic exchanges and burgeoning trade, the air of suspicion and rivalry between the two countries has not receded. For example, China recently objected to a $2.9 billion funding plan for India by the Asian Development Bank (ADB), due to the inclusion of projects in Arunachal Pradesh, areas of which China claims as its own. The ADB's charter mandates that it shall not interfere in the political affairs of any member and that only economic considerations shall be relevant to its decision. The agency approved the plan despite Beijing's objections, making it clear that it took no position on territorial disputes between its members.

To their credit, the two countries maintain a system of diplomatic and military exchanges to ensure that any potential incidents do not spin out of control. Continuous interaction and communication channels are in place, and the imminent establishment of a "red phone" hotline connecting the two countries' prime ministers was recently announced.

The appointment of a new Indian foreign secretary, Nirupama Rao, with considerable experience in India-China matters has been seen as an indicator of the importance being attached to such relations.

Burgeoning trade also remains an important buffer, even as the two countries compete aggressively to win energy blocks around the globe. Bilateral trade between India and China is expected to reach $60 billion in 2010. According to official statistics, Sino-Indian trade volume hit nearly $52 billion in 2008, with growth of 43 percent over the past eight years.

Recently the two nations conducted joint military exercises, and another one is scheduled for later this year. On August 7-8, special representatives of the two governments will meet to discuss the boundary issues that have affected ties for decades. Delhi and Beijing are also preparing to celebrate their 60th anniversary of diplomatic relations in 2010. A visit by Indian President Pratibha Patil to China and a return visit by Xi Jinping, China's vice-president, are being planned.

The two nations have also decided to devise common strategies on emerging global financial matters. For this, an early meeting of their bilateral Joint Economic Group has been proposed. The approach was firmed up when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chinese President Hu Jintao met on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit.

Yet, given the two countries' history of war, and with the U.S. keen to play up India as a regional counterweight to China, neither New Delhi nor Beijing is willing to compromise on the military front.

[josh21x]

(Oh ****, did I just make a paranoid Indian Nationalist hard in your pants?) I just said you had leverage!... lawl.

Does that make you jealous with less than average size ***** you lot have :roll:

[josh21x]

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The border no longer dominates the show

January 18, 2008
When Rajiv Gandhi traveled to Beijing in December 1988, the first prime ministerial visit since his grandfather, he returned with a framework for negotiating a solution to the border dispute that has overshadowed India-China relations since the 1962 war.
When P V Narasimha Rao flew to Beijing in September 1993, both nations signed an agreement to maintain peace and tranquility along the Line of Actual Control, as the India-China border is called.

When Atal Bihari Vajpayee visited Beijing in June 2003. India and China decided to deploy Special Representatives to find solutions to the boundary problem; China also recognised Sikkim as part of India.

Complete Coverage: Dr Singh in China

That no such substantial achievement beyond what the prime minister stated -- "We had a very detailed discussion on the boundary issue. It is a complex and complicated issue and we both recognised that it will take time to resolve this issue, but both of us resolved to instruct our Special Representatives to accelerate their efforts, work out an agreed framework for the resolution of the boundary problem" -- has been recorded has been brandished by Indian hawks to declare Dr Singh's visit a failure.

Perhaps the most impressive feat is that the border issue -- the huge elephant in the room whenever the two sides meet -- is no longer allowed to overwhelm the proceedings. That is not to say it is no longer an issue. It is, and it will stay that way, I think, for my lifetime. Always discussed, always in quest of resolution.

What do the Chinese want? They want 43,180 square kilometers of Aksai Chin, an area bordering Tibet, in Jammu and Kashmir, which they seized after the 1962 war, (including 5,180 sq km of the Sakshgam valley which Pakistan gave the Chinese) plus all of Arunchal Pradesh, especially Tawang. The Chinese don't talk of giving India any territory in return.

In the last 14 months, the Chinese have been particularly forceful about their claims to Arunachal. I do not believe, as some China specialists do, that then Chinese ambassador Sun Yuxi's declaration to CNN-IBN about Arunachal Pradesh being Chinese territory was uncalculated. Chinese diplomats don't stray from the script. Sun's comments were designed to bring Arunachal upfront, and commenced a series of similar claims by other Chinese officials and actions, including the denial of a visa to an Arunachal bureaucrat on the ground that he didn't require such a document since he was a Chinese national in any case!

Chinese soldiers have crossed the Arunachal border 140 times the last year according to the Indo Tibetan Border Police. A senior Indian diplomat, speaking in Beijing, played down these transgressions, indicating that it was part of a Chinese ritual to reiterate their claims to the disputed territory.

During Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao's visit to India in April 2005, both nations declared that populated areas would not be transferred during any resolution of the dispute. National Security Adviser M K Narayanan told my senior colleague Sheela Bhatt and myself last January that "what we have agreed upon is that where there are settled populations we don't want to have a Partition-kind of situation."

There was speculation before the prime minister's visit that the Chinese wanted to renege on the Singh-Wen agreement on populated areas. Asked about it a day before the official talks began in Beijing, a senior Indian diplomat said, "We have an agreement on this, why should we rake it up with them?" In the event, the Chinese did not raise the issue, at least on record.

A China watcher in New Delhi believes Beijing raised Arunachal Pradesh -- what he describes an extended claim area -- to buttress its claim to Aksai Chin. The Chinese believe Aksai Chin, which adjoins Tibet, is strategically vital and probably surmise that India would be more likely to let go of an area where not a leaf of grass grows rather than populated Arunachal. But can any Indian government dare to give away territory? After the 1962 war, Parliament passed a resolution that it would take back all the land China had seized. Forty-five years later, that remains an Indian ambition. No government can risk political suicide by bartering away Indian land.

China knows that seizing Arunachal by force is no longer an option. India is a nuclear power. To use force would risk an atomic conflict. Moreover, our soldiers have conventional superiority in the area -- 11 Mountain Divisions of 220,000 crack Indian troops confront lesser trained 400,000 members of the People's Liberation Army. Twenty years ago, the PLA backed off in Arunachal after then army chief the legendary General K Sundarji's Operation Checkerboard military exercise reveal a 10: 1 kill ratio in the Indian Army's favour.

Beijing's priority, notes the afore-quoted China watcher, is in any case Taiwan, not Tawang. The Chinese are worried that Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian, who lost the parliamentary elections in his country this week, may manipulate the coming referendum in his country to stay in power and keep Taiwan separate from the mainland. So concerned are the Chinese over developments in Taiwan that that distant island found mention in the vision agenda, while Tibet, which was discussed in passing, was ignored.

Some news outlets have speculated that 60 per cent of the border dispute has been resolved, but this is unlikely. Maps of the Middle sector -- about 524 km in Himachal Pradesh and Uttrakhand -- which share a border with Tibet have been exchanged by India and China. But both sides are said to refuse to part with geographical information on the Western sector (Aksai Chin) and Eastern sector (Arunachal Pradesh). Despite that stalemate, both India and China have not allowed the dispute to become, as the prime minister described it recently, 'uni-dimensional', meaning it will 'not hold up things the way Pakistan does with Kashmir.'
Image: Beijing Deputy Mayor Liu Jingmin escorts Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to the Olympic Centre. Left: Commerce Minister Kamal Nath; Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon, second from right; right, National Security Adviser M K Narayanan. Photograph: Jay Mandal/On Assignment

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[Solvent]

Does that make you jealous with less than average size ***** you lot have :roll:

Aha, here we go, the ***** competition again, I was counting for how long the ***** are going to erect.

[Jiggy]

I was counting for how long the ***** are going to erect.

lol, i hope that was a typo.

[nick1]

All I have to say is should china go to war with India I suspect china will be on its knees unless they get resupplied by the Russians who will bleed them dry and problay make a killing selling weapons to both sides.

The major reason I suspect the Indians will trash the Chinese navy is that they have access to european and american tech. They have better personell and more professional leadership. . . = pacific ocean filled with floating Nike/ Puma shoes.




Just tally up the two navys
The Indian Navy (Devanāgarī (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Devan%C4%81gar%C4%AB): भारतीय नौ सेना, Bhartiya Nāu Senā) is the naval branch (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Navy) of the armed forces of India (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Indian_Armed_Forces). It currently has approximately 55,000 personnel on active duty, including 5,000 members of the naval aviation branch and 2,000 marine commandos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/MARCOS_(India)), making it the world's fifth largest navy.[2] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-1) The Indian Navy currently operates more than 155 vessels, including the aircraft carrier (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) INS Viraat (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/INS_Viraat), along with operational jet fighters. India is expected to spend about US$40 billion on military modernization from 2008 to 2013.[139] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-138) A major chunk of those purchases were made for the Indian Navy. Work on the third aircraft carrier is to start in 2010 and will be inducted into the Navy by 2017.[140] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-139) Order has been placed for seven Project 17A class frigates (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Project_17A_class_frigate).[141] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-140) India is currently focusing on expanding its submarine (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Submarine) fleet.With the recent and ongoing upgrades and inductions, independent analysts expect that the Indian Navy may soon become a blue-water navy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue-water_navy).[148] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-147) India's navy is already among the most powerful in the region,[149] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-148) and with further upgrades in the future, aims to control the Indian Ocean Region, from the coast of East Africa (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/East_Africa) to Australia (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Australia).[150] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-149) India is also the only Asian navy to regularly operate aircraft carriers.[151] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-150) The aim is to have a total of three Aircraft carriers (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) resulting in two fully operational Carrier battle groups (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Carrier_battle_group) and an additional Aircraft carrier (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) eventually in refit making India an operating Blue-water navy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue-water_navy)



The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) (Simplified Chinese (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Simplified_Chinese): 中国人民解放军海军; Traditional Chinese (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Traditional_Chinese): 中國人民解放軍海軍; Pinyin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Pinyin): Zhōngguó Rénmín Jiěfàngjūn Hǎijūn) is the naval (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Navy) branch of the People's Liberation Army (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army) (PLA), the military (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Military) of the People's Republic of China (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China). Until the early 1990s, the navy performed a subordinate role to the PLA Land Forces (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Ground_Force).

The People's Liberation Army Navy has become more prominent in recent years owing to a change in Chinese strategic priorities. The new strategic threats include possible conflict with the United States (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States) and/or a resurgent Japan (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Japan) in areas such as the Taiwan Strait (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Taiwan_Strait) or the South China Sea (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/South_China_Sea). As part of its overall program of naval modernization, the PLAN has a long-term plan of developing a blue water (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue_water_navy).
Chinese naval technology has improved, in part due to Russian (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Russia) assistance. Its latest destroyers use more local hardware of an improved quality, such as better fire-control systems, stealth technology (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Stealth_technology) in their hull designs to reduce their radar profile, and C4I systems. However, despite these rapid advances, roughly half of China's major combat vessels and the bulk of the smaller vessels are still from older, obsolescent classes and not replaced by newer ones.

[Super Sheep]

Oh no you dont little chicom,

When you're going to call me names, I refuse to have a civil discussion w/ you.

And btw, I hold a non-chinese citzenship, so call me chicom all you want. And you know what? The more loud mouth paranoid individuals like you India breeds, the worse off the relationship will be.. and nothing will ever change.

I guess you didn't comprehend my joke over you getting hard in your pants. It has nothing to do with your c0ck size. Learn to read between the lines.

[josh21x]

lol, i hope that was a typo.

I dont think it is, which is why I didnt reply for that..olol

[josh21x]

When you're going to call me names, I refuse to have a civil discussion w/ you.

And btw, I hold a non-chinese citzenship, so call me chicom all you want. And you know what? The more loud mouth paranoid individuals like you India breeds, the worse off the relationship will be.. and nothing will ever change.

I guess you didn't comprehend my joke over you getting hard in your pants. It has nothing to do with your c0ck size. Learn to read between the lines.
Its not that I didnt comprehend that chicom,but you shouldnt say jokes,that might hit back at you! Be more slick.

Holding non-Chinese citizenship doesnt save you from becoming a Chicom, especially when you support that repressive regime! China is important to us, It is important for us to show and understand what 1.3 billion people have become, and what we 1.1 billion shouldnt become! Democracy and Secularism rules.

[cn_habs]

Did the US win the Korean war with their complete air support and better weaponary? You can be as good as heck on paper but other people know that it doesn't matter that much in real war. Indian's heavy-manufacturing industry is "insert something here". that is at least a decade behind the Chinese counterpart which is a decade behind the Euros and Americans. You can keep buying foreign weaponary and technologies yet you still can't mass produce completely on your own. Go do your software programming, something some of you are very good at. Oh wait, some of you can still draw the turban when you are that desperate!!! Overconfidence is going to come back and bite you all in the butt.
All I have to say is should china go to war with India I suspect china will be on its knees unless they get resupplied by the Russians who will bleed them dry and problay make a killing selling weapons to both sides.

The major reason I suspect the Indians will trash the Chinese navy is that they have access to european and american tech. They have better personell and more professional leadership. . . = pacific ocean filled with floating Nike/ Puma shoes.




Just tally up the two navys
The Indian Navy (Devanāgarī (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Devan%C4%81gar%C4%AB): भारतीय नौ सेना, Bhartiya Nāu Senā) is the naval branch (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Navy) of the armed forces of India (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Indian_Armed_Forces). It currently has approximately 55,000 personnel on active duty, including 5,000 members of the naval aviation branch and 2,000 marine commandos (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/MARCOS_(India)), making it the world's fifth largest navy.[2] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-1) The Indian Navy currently operates more than 155 vessels, including the aircraft carrier (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) INS Viraat (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/INS_Viraat), along with operational jet fighters. India is expected to spend about US$40 billion on military modernization from 2008 to 2013.[139] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-138) A major chunk of those purchases were made for the Indian Navy. Work on the third aircraft carrier is to start in 2010 and will be inducted into the Navy by 2017.[140] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-139) Order has been placed for seven Project 17A class frigates (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Project_17A_class_frigate).[141] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-140) India is currently focusing on expanding its submarine (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Submarine) fleet.With the recent and ongoing upgrades and inductions, independent analysts expect that the Indian Navy may soon become a blue-water navy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue-water_navy).[148] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-147) India's navy is already among the most powerful in the region,[149] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-148) and with further upgrades in the future, aims to control the Indian Ocean Region, from the coast of East Africa (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/East_Africa) to Australia (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Australia).[150] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-149) India is also the only Asian navy to regularly operate aircraft carriers.[151] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-150) The aim is to have a total of three Aircraft carriers (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) resulting in two fully operational Carrier battle groups (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Carrier_battle_group) and an additional Aircraft carrier (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Aircraft_carrier) eventually in refit making India an operating Blue-water navy (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue-water_navy)



The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) (Simplified Chinese (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Simplified_Chinese): 中国人民解放军海军; Traditional Chinese (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Traditional_Chinese): 中國人民解放軍海軍; Pinyin (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Pinyin): Zhōngguó Rénmín Jiěfàngjūn Hǎijūn) is the naval (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Navy) branch of the People's Liberation Army (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army) (PLA), the military (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Military) of the People's Republic of China (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China). Until the early 1990s, the navy performed a subordinate role to the PLA Land Forces (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Ground_Force).

The People's Liberation Army Navy has become more prominent in recent years owing to a change in Chinese strategic priorities. The new strategic threats include possible conflict with the United States (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/United_States) and/or a resurgent Japan (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Japan) in areas such as the Taiwan Strait (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Taiwan_Strait) or the South China Sea (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/South_China_Sea). As part of its overall program of naval modernization, the PLAN has a long-term plan of developing a blue water (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Blue_water_navy).
Chinese naval technology has improved, in part due to Russian (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Russia) assistance. Its latest destroyers use more local hardware of an improved quality, such as better fire-control systems, stealth technology (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Stealth_technology) in their hull designs to reduce their radar profile, and C4I systems. However, despite these rapid advances, roughly half of China's major combat vessels and the bulk of the smaller vessels are still from older, obsolescent classes and not replaced by newer ones.

[ggk]

R.I.P India............ all hail the Han...all hail the Han...all hail the Han...... LuLz....... wait ....RIP china....all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...wait

[raavan]

R.I.P India............ all hail the Han...all hail the Han...all hail the Han...... LuLz....... wait ....RIP china....all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...wait

come on ggk will u never forget abt Adux?????:cantbeli:rofl

[ggk]

actually im thinking of finding a way to contact him...in the reality world that is.

[Chimera]

What happend to Adux btw? banned?

Anyway, love this thread. Pissing contest at its best.

Hey guys, which country has the largest nuclear capabilities? I'm curious about how 'huge' the fireworks are gonna be?

[ggk]

What happend to Adux btw? banned?

Anyway, love this thread. Pissing contest at its best.

Hey guys, which country has the largest nuclear capabilities? I'm curious about how 'huge' the fireworks are gonna be?

who else?

the Cylons of course.

[Cornelius]

This article it's a trash...
Everyone it's thinking at war...

[Mackie]

Bharat Verma is Editor, Indian Defence Review

Perhaps well paid by defence industry. ^^

[timetraveller]

Why do you lot take that article so seriously ...

Created so people will lap it up and make an issue out of it ...

ie 4 pages so far

[Empulse]

The fear of losing control over the Chinese masses is forcing the communists to compulsorily install filtering software on new computers on sale, to crush dissent on the Internet, even though it is impossible to censor in entirety the flow of information as witnessed recently in Tibet, Xinjiang and Iran today.

For many centuries, this has been one of China's biggest problems. They don't have such a totalitarian regime. Chinese history consists of an incredible number of uprisings, revolts and so on. I've always proclaimed that an economic attack is America's strongest weapon against China. Once the economy collapses, the consequences for China will be more disastrous than for the US itself. Perfect strategy to make an emerging power collapse, particularly China with its huge population and amount of US t-bonds.

[muttbutt]

Did the US win the Korean war with their complete air support and better weaponary? You can be as good as heck on paper but other people know that it doesn't matter that much in real war. Indian's heavy-manufacturing industry is "insert something here". that is at least a decade behind the Chinese counterpart which is a decade behind the Euros and Americans. You can keep buying foreign weaponary and technologies yet you still can't mass produce completely on your own. Go do your software programming, something some of you are very good at. Oh wait, some of you can still draw the turban when you are that desperate!!! Overconfidence is going to come back and bite you all in the butt.
The UN forces achieved what they set out to do, re-establish the border of NK Vs SK, so yes they did "win".....whatever history is being re-written in other part's of the World is neither here nor there.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Chinese leadership would be beyond retarded if they decided to attack India;
China could face severe economic setbacks with major shipping routes being targeted.

Anyways for the article itself, starting a war with a state that is home to the Dalai Lama and a large portion of Muslims could cause rebellions to ensue in breakaway regions (Tibet, East Turkestan, etc) Just as India starting a war with China could spur the Naxalites to wage war on the government.

However the Chinese government is more than capable not to act irrationally

[Mousepad]

"Oho!' said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so! kettle said to the pot;
" 'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean -without blemish or blot-
That your blackness is mirrored in me"

Hek. Something useful out of China vs India thread for a change :)

[toki]

Show me a fully-Indian made MBT or a fighter jet that isn't years behind. I am not that confident of a Chinese victory because of the disadvantageous terrain but how can you be so sure that India will win? :)

Full scale conventional wars won't see a winning side. And they won't happen anyway between two developed countries who have economic interests or... interests at all - speak it's all tinfoil BS.

[ZARDOZ]

Wait, wait , wait a minute...... A war, and no mention of U.S. involvement? WOOHOO! So we get to sit back with the popcorn and watch for a change?

Seriously though, What a load of hogwash. Even if such a thing was to happen, I would think China to have it's military fully modernized (especially the Navy) before such a major risky move. China's biggest gun is it economical one, I would think them to use that and their proxies before actually going "toe to toe". To much risk on direct confrontation, all gained in the past 20 years would be lost in one month.

[JCR]

Sometimes I think in today's India, you see the Britain of the early 1900s:
Mass starvation, class society, heavy industry, pollution, jingoism, war scares.
The only thing that India has that the 1900 british empire hadn't is bollywood.
;)

[Sapporo]

2012 will be the same as 2006, when people predicted China will some how "Collapse".

[Excalibur]

and what makes china waiting until 2012 ?

[sujithkochi]

and what makes china waiting until 2012 ?

thats a nice one, mate - China will wait till 2012 so that India will get enough time to be prepared.

the article is crap

[ZARDOZ]

and what makes china waiting until 2012 ?

Because the Myan calendar says so.......
See?
http://www.gardengnomefromhell.com/uploaded_images/mayan_calendar-703040.gif
It is right there, between the "Tzolkin" and the "Haab".

[josh21x]

actually im thinking of finding a way to contact him...in the reality world that is.

He still post on www.defenceforum.in (http://www.defenceforum.in)

[josh21x]

thats a nice one, mate - China will wait till 2012 so that India will get enough time to be prepared.

the article is crap

No,2012 is the last point of time, before China actually attack, anytime before that, non-winter time. After that there are couple of systems in India's planned acquisition and operational , which will change the tide against the Chinese considerably...ketto da kutta!

[Excalibur]

ok, let's put it other way. what makes china not to attack tomorrow morning :)

[josh21x]

ok, let's put it other way. what makes china not to attack tomorrow morning :)

Good Question and I might not have a proper answer, and it might have slightly more serious issues behind it,Olympics was one of them!

[Danielotu]

"My e-***** is bigger than your e-*****!!"."Hell no!!, my e-***** is bigger than yours!!" roflrofl

[Danielotu]

I think i'll just sit back and watch the show :).

[Danielotu]

R.I.P India............ all hail the Han...all hail the Han...all hail the Han...... LuLz....... wait ....RIP china....all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...all hail Adux ...wait

The spirit of Adux is definitely strong.........I can feel his presence.....:| p-)

[Danielotu]

who else?

the Cylons of course.

Nah....I think it's skynet.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Sometimes I think in today's India, you see the Britain of the early 1900s:
Mass starvation, class society, heavy industry, pollution, jingoism, war scares.
The only thing that India has that the 1900 british empire hadn't is bollywood.
;)

It's an industrializing nation,
what the h*** do you expect?

I contest your claims about starvation though,
malnutrition? yes, as an overwhelming amount of the population is vegan/vegetarian
while some don't eat certain meats at all.

[deagle]

is that article a joke or just fanning the flames of a hypothetcial war ?

both sides must feel fortunate enough not to enter draining wars that stunt their respective country's growth. just loook at us in the USA of late.

[Pinocchio]

I've always wondered josh kinda sounds like Adux

[cn_habs]

is that article a joke or just fanning the flames of a hypothetcial war ?

both sides must feel fortunate enough not to enter draining wars that stunt their respective country's growth. just loook at us in the USA of late.

I wish the Indians would stop hallucinating. Unless India provokes China first, there is no way in hell that China would use India to diverge its population from social unrest and instability. Countries like Vietnam and the Philippines would be the logical choices even though I highly doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. The fact that India fully supports Dalai Lama is really annoying to the Chinese but that's about it. We have other imminent stuff to take care of. Period .

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

I wish certain Indians would stop hallucinating.

I'm Indian and I don't think China would attack India under the current setting

[cn_habs]

;4264300']I'm Indian and I don't think China would attack India under the current setting

Thank you for the correction.

[josh21x]

I've always wondered josh kinda sounds like Adux

I must be Adux, let the fact that I have been on this board a full 3.5 years before him not deter you..lol

[Excalibur]

it would be nice if members from PRC could express opinion regarding these fears. does india have real reason to worry about ? :roll:

[cn_habs]

it would be nice if members from PRC could express opinion regarding these fears. does india have real reason to be worry about ? :roll:

Some in India are paranoid and consider us as hostiles while we simply dislike India for many things mentioned earlier. However, I don't think a lot of us detest them at all. The "Nervous China" in the title of the article said everything about how objective they are. I don't believe that I have ever seen the Chinese media/scolars portraying India as a bonafide enemy in China.

[Pinocchio]

I must be Adux, let the fact that I have been on this board a full 3.5 years before him not deter you..lol

Thanks for clearing that up man:)

[Super Sheep]

it would be nice if members from PRC could express opinion regarding these fears. does india have real reason to worry about ? :roll:

I did, if you would kindly go back and read my posts. Cutting it short, India doesn't have a real reason to worry about.

[Pinocchio]

Some retired army guy decides to spice up his life by posting BS article and is taken seriously.Needless to say if PRC were to attack India they'll have helluva logistics problem problem.

[sinophile]

This is simply not going to happen. If embarrassed for reading it.

[nick1]

its time for some you tube responses.

[/URL]

Lets start with India vs China on paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGJ5K2jShA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOaDrHgk4VY&feature=related)

Indian Nukes vs chinese nukes
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDCM-OURbzY

THe Indian airforce rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICe1ATYDVE&feature=related

Why the ARJUN MBT IS Beter than the Chinese T96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAZHfSXVJQ

[cn_habs]

its time for some you tube responses.



Lets start with India vs China on paper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIGJ5K2jShA

Indian Nukes vs chinese nukes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDCM-OURbzY

THe Indian airforce rocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICe1ATYDVE&feature=related

Why the ARJUN MBT IS Beter than the Chinese T96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAZHfSXVJQ

As for Arjun MBT being better than the older T-96 which was from years ago, why did the Indian military choose the Russian T-90 then? How about the most advanced indigenous fighter jet that India has produced?

[ggk]

I must be Adux, let the fact that I have been on this board a full 3.5 years before him not deter you..lol

nope...he is an atheist...you are not...but the resemblance are simply remarkable.

[JCR]

How can they slap??????

[Pinocchio]

As for Arjun MBT being better than the older T-96 which was from years ago, why did the Indian military choose the Russian T-90 then? How about the most advanced indigenous fighter jet that India has produced?

I've been asking that question for months the Arjun is a pretty good tank why not choose it then?
Politics i guess.
http://frontierindia.net/dissimilar-combat-arjun-mbt-vs-t-90s-specs

The indigenous fighter jet only has the problem of being underpowered,other than that i don't there are any serious problems with it.

[Mastermind]

Aw, those kids will learn to play nice....you don't give kids disputing the toy in the sand box a .357 to settle their differences...these guys both have way, way too much to lose by ticking off their itchy nuclear button fingers. They will ultimately find a way to screw the world out of the rest of the money available, then they will clasp hands, and come out kissing.