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Afro-European
07-14-2009, 10:01 AM
Activists push ballot initiative to end state benefits for illegal immigrants and their US-born children.



In a stretch of desert just north of the U.S.-Mexico border, men and women in khakis and the colors of the American flag recently gathered at a border watch post they call Camp Vigilance and discussed their next offensive in the nation's immigration wars.
The target: Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children who receive public benefits.
The plan: a California ballot initiative that would end public benefits for illegal immigrants, cut off welfare payments for their children and impose new rules for birth certificates.
"We will be out in full force to qualify this initiative," said Barbara Coe, who helped develop Proposition 187, the 1994 measure that would have ended benefits to illegal immigrants but was ruled unconstitutional. "Illegals and their children are costing the state billions of dollars. It's invasion by birth canal."
Supporters of the initiative, recently unveiled by San Diego political activist Ted Hilton, hope to challenge the citizenship of children born in the United States to parents who are here illegally.
The 14th Amendment states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside." Backers of the initiative argue that illegal residents are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States and that, as a result, their U.S.-born children should not be citizens.
Before Hilton, Coe and their allies can argue that point in court, however, they have many hurdles to overcome. Whether the initiative will even make it to the ballot remains to be seen. Organizers have just begun to collect the 488,000 voter signatures required to qualify the measure for the June 2010 election. So far, Hilton said, they have raised about $350,000 -- far short of the $4 million generally needed to pay signature gatherers to get a statewide initiative over that hurdle.
But illegal immigration was a powerful political issue in the economic downturn of the early 1990s, and the initiative's backers hope it will be again. Hilton said the group is enlisting an "enormous volunteer base" for the signature gathering. His organization, Taxpayer Revolution, has gathered endorsements from elected officials, including Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach), the American Legion California chapter and immigration restrictionist groups such as NumbersUSA, Save Our State and Coe's California Coalition for Immigration Reform.
The drive coincides with decisions in several states -- including Oklahoma, Colorado Virginia, Arizona and Georgia -- to curtail medical care, mortgage loans, homeless shelter relief and other benefits for illegal immigrants amid the national economic downturn.
Officials estimate that California's 2.7 million illegal residents account for $4 billion to $6 billion of the state's roughly $105-billion budget. Most of those costs are associated with schools, prisons and emergency healthcare.
"Are we going to continue asking taxpayers to pay for these services when the state is completely out of money?" asked Hilton, who first rallied against illegal immigration two decades ago.
Most illegal residents contribute to the state through taxes and labor, but research indicates that the costs to state and local governments outweigh the additional tax revenue, at least in the short term.
The nonpartisan state legislative analyst's office says the measure could reduce costs by more than $1 billion a year if it survives legal challenges.
Peter Schey, a Los Angeles attorney who successfully challenged Proposition 187, said courts would almost certainly strike down the measure.
"This proposal . . . has no chance of surviving a constitutional challenge," he said. "It is plainly driven by racism and a desire to whip up xenophobia during difficult economic times for U.S. citizens."
Backers say, however, that they have carefully crafted the measure to avoid the legal pitfalls that doomed Proposition 187, which would have barred illegal immigrants from receiving any public social services, education and nonemergency medical care. Voters approved it, 59% to 41%, but a federal judge ruled that the measure unconstitutionally usurped federal jurisdiction over immigration.
This time, backers worked with attorneys who have helped craft successful efforts to curtail benefits in other states.
The new measure does not claim any state authority to regulate immigration, said Mike Hethmon, an attorney with the Washington-based Immigration Reform Law Institute who advised the initiative's authors. Instead, he said, it is based on federal authority delegated to the states to restrict access to benefits and verify applicants' eligibility.
Under the 1996 federal welfare reform law, illegal residents are barred from welfare, public housing, food assistance, unemployment aid and other federal benefits. California laws, however, allow illegal residents to receive some state and local benefits, including nonemergency medical care.
The initiative would require all applicants for public benefits to verify their legal status. And unlike Proposition 187, it would not attempt to curtail access to education.
The Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that states could not bar illegal immigrant children from schools.
The measure's most controversial provisions would take aim at the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. It would end state welfare to an estimated 48,000 households and 100,000 children, aid that now costs the state $640 million a year.
Currently, children of illegal immigrants can receive CalWorks benefits if their parents are poor enough to qualify for welfare. About 42% of child only" cases in the CalWorks program involve illegal-immigrant parents, state officials say.
The measure would also cut off CalWorks payments to the children of citizens or legal residents who fail to meet eligibility requirements for state aid because they are unwilling to work, addicted to drugs or absent, among other reasons.
The initiative would require that applicants for birth certificates verify their legal status.
Those who could not would have to present official identification from a foreign government, a record of any publicly funded costs for delivering the child and other information before receiving their child's birth certificate, which would be marked with the notation "foreign parent."
The records would be sent to Homeland Security officials.
Kristina Campbell, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense & Education Fund in Los Angeles, said that provision is legally vulnerable. "You can't deny a U.S. citizen child a birth certificate," she said.
"They are entitled to equal protection of the law."
The views were different at Camp Vigilance, where many of the 300 people gathered for a Fourth of July program on illegal immigration flocked to sign the petition.
"Coming here in violation of our laws is an act of disrespect," said Tony Dolz, a native Cuban and campaign volunteer. "Those who break our laws should not benefit from it."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-illegal-immigration13-2009jul13,0,4982035.story?page=1

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-07/48026182.jpg


Ted Hilton speaks with Evelyn Miller at a Fourth of July barbecue organized by anti-illegal-immigration groups at Camp Vigilance near the U.S.-Mexico border.

Chulo
07-14-2009, 10:07 AM
makes sense. Why should the tax payers pay for criminals and beneficiaries of criminal activities?

And yes, not paying taxes, driving without a license, having a fake ID and illegally crossing a border are all criminal acts in my mind

Mu-Meson
07-14-2009, 10:27 AM
At least the article managed to remember to put the illegal in front of immigrants.
And if you thought there was outrage among some when the gay marriage ban proposition passed in California. If this passes, well we'll see....

seraosha
07-14-2009, 11:21 AM
I look forward to our Gay Illegal Immigrant Migrant Workers for Jesus Overlords from Californicatia.

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-14-2009, 05:06 PM
So the 14th Amendment is not as as important as the 2nd are they less untouchable in declining order? What about the 15th Amendment do you really need that one also.

RxOnco
07-14-2009, 05:23 PM
What are you talking about? This initiative deals with benefits for illegal immigrants. Therefore, it has nothing to do with the 14th Amendment...or any other Amendment for that matter.

Mastermind
07-14-2009, 06:35 PM
hahahha....I can predict the Californian Slave Citizens will support this initiative to the hilt and it will pass with at least 66% majority...then the Kaliforneeia Politbureau will see it as a threat to their "freedom and democratic people right"...namely Mexicans who vote for Democraps...and they will either strike it down, or send it to the kaliforneeia supreme court where it will be declared "unkonstitutional" and affront to Demokratik life everywhere, expecialy on the strawberry and avokado growers kollektives ...They will then deklare anyone who objects to this as treasonistas and racists....Power to the People!

Euroamerican
07-15-2009, 12:15 AM
you said it, bro.

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-15-2009, 01:12 AM
What are you talking about? This initiative deals with benefits for illegal immigrants. Therefore, it has nothing to do with the 14th Amendment...or any other Amendment for that matter.But they are talking about stripping benefit rights of those born in the USA of illegal immigrants and of course those born in US whether they are borne of illegal parentage are now protected by the constitution.

A quote from the article:
We will be out in full force to qualify this initiative," said Barbara Coe, who helped develop Proposition 187, the 1994 measure that would have ended benefits to illegal immigrants but was ruled unconstitutional. "Illegals and their children are costing the state billions of dollars. It's invasion by birth canal."

tyovan
07-15-2009, 08:05 AM
I have no problem denying every benefit except life-saving emergency care to illegal immigrants.

However, I have issues with denying benefits to American children simply because their parents are illegal immigrants. As long as you're an American, you should have equal access to public assistance.

That being said, rewriting the citizenship laws so that your parents must be here on some legal basis (J-1, H-1B, short-term tourist visa, etc) in order for children born here to qualify for citizenship is another discussion...

Zarak
07-15-2009, 08:36 AM
That being said, rewriting the citizenship laws so that your parents must be here on some legal basis (J-1, H-1B, short-term tourist visa, etc) in order for children born here to qualify for citizenship is another discussion...

That should've happened a looong time ago. Its common sense. But its been pretty clear for a long time that the Federal government, Democrat or Republican, doesn't want to take any steps to deal with illegal immigration.

RxOnco
07-15-2009, 09:19 AM
But they are talking about stripping benefit rights of those born in the USA of illegal immigrants and of course those born in US whether they are borne of illegal parentage are now protected by the constitution.

A quote from the article:

I don't see anything in the initiative about stripping benefits of childrent born in the U.S. I think it says something about the parents being reported to immigration...which needs to happen. They are, after all, here illegally.

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-15-2009, 02:17 PM
I don't see anything in the initiative about stripping benefits of childrent born in the U.S. I think it says something about the parents being reported to immigration...which needs to happen. They are, after all, here illegally.They have stated that they want to deny the US born offspring of illegal immigrants government money that is why they want to amend the 14th, you have a fine piece of work there in that constitution do not tinker with it. The immigration laws should of course be enforced and people illegally in the US should be deported its their choice if they want to leave their US born children as wards of the state or with next of kin most however will not be be parted with offspring.

From the article and the stated aim of the group.

The target: Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children who receive public benefits.
The plan: a California ballot initiative that would end public benefits for illegal immigrants, cut off welfare payments for their children and impose new rules for birth certificates.

RxOnco
07-15-2009, 02:23 PM
The push to amend the 14th is a completely different animal. I for one, fully support ending Anchor Babies' rights as citizens here in the United States. It's easy to take the other side. But you really need to see it from the border state's perspective and understand how many actually sneak over here to have their children. It's a very big burden on the system and needs to be fixed. If nobody wants to touch the issue, and simply wants to stop the flow of illegals...that would ultimately work too.

Mastermind
07-15-2009, 04:54 PM
I read somewhere that in the case of any political demographic, when a group achieves 8% of the population they will attain very high respect from the competing politicians. 12% is equivalent to a decisive affirmation of duty from politicians. These numbers can double in effectivness if the block is monolithic in voting practices.

Here is what has happened. The general legal population is nullified by their very close voting history...Americans (the legal kind) tend to vote about 50/50 democrat/republican. However, blacks and Mexican-Americans tend to be about 78% Democrat in their voting practices. Can you guess who will run (rule) American politics? This problem is exaggerated greatly by the Democrats insisting on relaxation of voters not needing to prove citizenship or their legal eligibility to vote. Democrats really don't care about the legality of the voter...only thing they care about is the vote itself. Thus, once the Democrats get into power, it is only natural they will ignore the legal Americans in favor of the illegal persons capable of pushing a button in a voting booth. This is why we seem baffled by American Democrat politicians ignoring the desires of the majority of Americans and cater to the needs and wishes of the minorities. If the Minorities voted Republican, you would see the republicans doing exactly the same durn thing.

gazell
07-15-2009, 06:41 PM
I look forward to our Gay Illegal Immigrant Migrant Workers for Jesus Overlords from Californicatia.

roflrofl

That's how it goes.