FN P-90 Users

[DmL5]

Does anybody know who all are using the FN 5.7mm P90? I know of many units rumored to be using it, but it would help if anybody who was positive of any units using it would post them and their (reliable or unreliable) sources (or, even better, pictures) here; Thanks.

P.S. Also visit my 5-7 Users thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18884

[SMGLee]

Secret Service for one is replacing all the FAG UZI with P90s.

[DmL5]

Secret Service for one is replacing all the FAG UZI with P90s.

Yes I heard about that; they're really impressed with it, from what I hear. Thanks anyway.

[Lobo]

Spanish Police's CT unit uses it (GEO, Grupo Especial de Operaciones)

BBT, Dutch CT unit uses it also. (Got a picture somewhere in my hard drive)

[DmL5]

Spanish Police's CT unit uses it (GEO, Grupo Especial de Operaciones)

Thanks, i've never heard of this one; got any pictures? Or maybe more info where you heard it? Thanks again!

[mimis]

AND THE GREEL SPECIAL ELIT TEAM EKAM USE IT

[DeZzErX]

Belgian SIE and Special-Forces group use it...

[Smintjes]

And Belgian VIP Close Protection (part of State Security) uses it too. It's the flat top version, fitted with an Aimpoint Reddot but limited to semi auto. I'm going to shoot it next month, i'll try to post some pics of it.

[SiFiOn]

Spanish Police's CT unit uses it (GEO, Grupo Especial de Operaciones)

BBT, Dutch CT unit uses it also. (Got a picture somewhere in my hard drive)

In fact it is the BBE:



and KCT who are using it:

[Scaar.at]

the austrian military special unit "Jagdkommando" and the "Heeresnachrichtenamt" are currently testing the P90.

[seventy6er]

Those are some kick-ass photos there, SiFiOn! woot

[Argyll]

I've seen some Czech PSD's using them here in Baghdad

[SiFiOn]

Those are some kick-ass photos there, SiFiOn! woot

I think those were already posted in here somewhere.

If you want to see more of them vistit those sites:

http://bbe.korpsmariniers.com/modules.php?name=gallery

http://home.tiscali.nl/~theonaus/KCT12.html

Enjoy!

[fantassin]

The GIGN and the body guards of the French SF use the P90.

[seventy6er]

Do I see a Steyr with the German AG36 there??

[Glock]

Yea you true the Heeresausrüstungsamt is currently also testing the AUG with the AG36. And I have hot information that it will be brought for the Jagdkommando.
Greatings Leo

Jagdkommando with P90-SD

[DmL5]

I've heard in several places that the SAS are using the P90, or at least have it in their inventory; can anyone confirm? By the way, great pics scaar!


UPDATE: The US Navy SEAL's are using the P90, according to this site (bottom of the site): http://www.waffenhq.de/specials/seal.html

[Glock]

I'am not sure about that th Navy Seal use P90 same zo SAS. On WaffenHQ they write the Seals use Glock 17 and M9 :bash:
So dont bealieave evrything.

Greatings Leo

[seventy6er]

Q question about the Jagdkommando: how many troopers are currently serving in the Jagdkommando? Those JgdKdo-Pics are absolutely badass btw!!

[LongWay]

I think the Australian SASR are using P90's now for their CQC/CQB weapons

[FDF_Hemppis]

The FDF's* special jaegers had P90's in evaluation, but it was (AFAIK) not taken into service due to some problems with it in winter conditions.

Thought, I think that the batch of weapons acquired for testing hasn't disappeared from the armory...

*Finnish Defense Forces

[fantassin]

Take a look at the "photo and video" forum, there are new pics of the GIGN including several with P90s.

[DmL5]

I'am not sure about that th Navy Seal use P90 same zo SAS.

I'm not sure either, but its possible. Thanks for the heads-up, fantassin!

[DmL5]

Glock wrote: Jagdkommando with P90-SD

Are they still testing it, or are they now using it?

[DeltaWhisky58]

I've heard in several places that the SAS are using the P90, or at least have it in their inventory; can anyone confirm? By the way, great pics scaar!


UPDATE: The US Navy SEAL's are using the P90, according to this site (bottom of the site): http://www.waffenhq.de/specials/seal.html

Evidence? - I don't think so................

[Glock]

still testing but they get lots of P90 to replace thir Uzis and Mpi69 and L34 in the next years.
Greatings Leo

[DmL5]

Evidence? - I don't think so................

Well, I don't know if this site is reliable, but: http://www.sasmi.szm.sk/osas.htm In the middle it claims that the SAS have the 5-7 in inventory; I have also heard on hkpro.com and 1911forum that the SAS have used it in CT operations in the past. And this:

http://www.sasrogues.co.uk/Weapons/SubMachine/P90/p90.html


I have heard from a gun expert that the SAS are known to have been looking for alternatives to the MP5. They have recently finished testing the the P90 looks like it may be adopted by them but I doubt if it replaced the MP5

[khukuri]

Its under evaulation in sweden. If its accepted it will be adopted by swedish army, navy and airforce.

Fn herstal have a good repiutation in sweden. Our assault rifles and machine guns are Fn designs.

[khukuri]

Evidence? - I don't think so................

Well, I don't know if this site is reliable, but: http://www.sasmi.szm.sk/osas.htm In the middle it claims that the SAS have the 5-7 in inventory; Another source is 'variablebinary', of 1911forum, who is sure that both the 5-7 and P90 are in the inventory of the SAS.

I would be surprised if they didnt have it in their inventory.

The P90 is in someway new in the way its used. You dont hold like a normal smg and so on. Everything that is new have to be tried by any modern force. Maybe not being adopted in service and in the field but you have to "check it out".

[martinexsquaddie]

the sas probably have a couple of virtually every fire arm on the market and get first dibs on anything intresting picked up by customs :lol:
probably got a crate load of custom .45s after than handgun ban as well :( :roll:

[Glock]

Evidence? - I don't think so................

Well, I don't know if this site is reliable, but: http://www.sasmi.szm.sk/osas.htm In the middle it claims that the SAS have the 5-7 in inventory; Another source is 'variablebinary', of 1911forum, who is sure that both the 5-7 and P90 are in the inventory of the SAS.

Dont beleave that f***** s*** what is written on that website. Thats ribish i cant bealeave why sombody is making a website when he doasnt know anything!

Greatings Leo

[DmL5]

Dont beleave that f***** s*** what is written on that website.

To tell the truth, I don't believe that site; But I still think its likely the SAS have them.

[Seraphim]

Greek SWAT equivalent uses them.

[DmL5]

Greek SWAT equivalent uses them.

EKAM elite unit?

If anyone has pics of the P90 in use, be so kind as to post them here. woot

[BiZ]

I think the Australian SASR are using P90's now for their CQC/CQB weapons

What drugs are you on?

Not a chance mate.

[Chops]

he he he

G'day BiZ- just dropping in to say howdy and see what **** these kids are spouting. I'm back in Sydney for a time. Perhaps a beer...

rgds

Chop Chop

[DeltaWhisky58]

Dont beleave that f***** s*** what is written on that website.

To tell the truth, I don't believe that site; But I still think its likely the SAS have them.

I'm sorry mate - but what you think that British SF may use has absolutely nothing whatsoever do do with whether the SAS actually uses the P-90/FN5-7 or not. You've bumbled about this thread and the FN5-7 one making one guess or assumption after another, none of which based on any hard evidence at all except for a Czech? language website - informed source - I think not.

I am quite certain that the SAS will have evaluated both weapons as they do with most new military firearms, however until there is hard evidence to suggest that these weapons are in service, we have to assume that they are not - but small numbers will no doubt be present in the armoury for testing/evaluation purposes.

Listen to the informed British military sources such as Royal & Argyll - they have already told you which weapons are standard issue.

[DmL5]

You've bumbled about this thread and the FN5-7 one making one guess or assumption after another, none of which based on any hard evidence at all except for a Czech? language website

The only guesses/assumptions I made were that the SAS and SEALs might be using them, and that stupid Czech website wasn't my evidence. I'm not claiming to know that they're using them. I didn't see any posts from Royal or Argyll about whether they're using them or not, and i'd like to hear their thoughts.

[Herrmannek]

however until there is hard evidence to suggest that these weapons are in service, we have to assume that they are not - but small numbers will no doubt be present in the armoury for testing/evaluation purposes.

Delta you are cruel man... What you demand is next embasy siege :)

[Royal]

I didn't see any posts from Royal or Argyll about whether they're using them or not, and i'd like to hear their thoughts.

As DW58 has pointed out we've already discussed what are 'standard' issue to the more esoteric parts of the UK's armed forces. I've never seen or heard of either weapon being used by the UK armed forces. That is not to say that trials havn't been conducted, they undoubtedly have, but even the most high speed operator tries to limit the number of weapons they use - too many different tools merely leads to a lower skill level on the weapons they do use.

As I've said before Sigs have largely replaced the BHP, covert longs tend to centre round H&K (largely various MP5's and HK53's), the C7/8 and SA80 A2 are the assault rifle of choice etc etc etc

[Lobo]

I mistook BBT for BBE. BBT is Basque police's SWAT unit. In other words, an equivalent to the SEK in the Basque Country (a region in Northern Spain).

By the way, Peruvian special units used the FN P90 in the assault to the Japanese Embassy hostage crisis.

[BiZ]

he he he

G'day BiZ- just dropping in to say howdy and see what **** these kids are spouting. I'm back in Sydney for a time. Perhaps a beer...

rgds

Chop Chop

Uncle Chop chop returns to Sydney eh? Sounds like trouble to me! :D I check out this place "every other now and then" to see some dribble... ;)

As for a beer.... I'll get back to you when I know my shedule, I'm on a course at the moment untill mid August.

Enjoy home.

[REMOV]

I have other question, about the prices of the FN P90 (and FsN) and H&K MP7. Anyone?

[moughoun]

Just heard the news, the Irish army's ARW, has bought the p-90 and the five-seven handgun

[-Max-]

Just heard the news, the Irish army's ARW, has bought the p-90 and the five-seven handgun

Interesting. :)

[CannibalSquirel]

The portuguese police GOE ( Special Operations Group ) uses the P-90.

[Glock]

Just heard the news, the Irish army's ARW, has bought the p-90 and the five-seven handgun
What news, is there a Link?


The portuguese police GOE ( Special Operations Group ) uses the P-90.
Where you got the Infos? Pic?
Greatings Leo

[moughoun]

[quote=moughoun]Just heard the news, the Irish army's ARW, has bought the p-90 and the five-seven handgun
What news, is there a Link?

I'm in the Army here and the ARW does these "road shows" around barrack's to encourage people for selection and they were showing the P-90 and the five-seven along with a load of other kit ;)

[DmL5]

I have other question, about the prices of the FN P90 (and FsN) and H&K MP7. Anyone?


P-90 price: $1250
Five-seveN price: $800-1000

I'm not sure about the price of the MP7; the P-90 price above comes from www.fnmfg.com, and the 5-7 price comes from 5-7's for sale on gunsamerica.com, gunbroker.com, auctionarms.com, etc.

[REMOV]

P-90 price: $1250
Five-seveN price: $800-1000Thaks a lot. I also found a price of MP7 - 1600 USD.

[DmL5]

I have another question; what is the current situation with the US considering the FN F2000? http://www.afji.com/AFJI/Mags/2001/March/newtech.html

Again, any pics of the P90 in use would be appreciated. :hug:

[DiabloLoco]

The Dominican Republic's Anti-terrorist Group use the P-90 since 2002. It replaced the UZI submachinegun. Around 150 P-90 were bought plus assesories.

[REMOV]

Greek AT unit with the P90

[DmL5]

Can someone help me identify the operator with a P90 in the below picture?











I would also love to see pics of the 5-7 in use, but pics of pistols in use are harder to come by, since they're usually in the holster. :|
Thanks in advance. :hug:

~DmL

[Seraphim]

Can someone help me identify the operator with a P90 in the below picture?











I would also love to see pics of the 5-7 in use, but pics of pistols in use are harder to come by, since they're usually in the holster. :|
Thanks in advance. :hug:

~DmL

Thats Jim Stacey

[flanker7]

Can someone help me identify the operator with a P90 in the below picture?



Greek Police EKAM (CT Unit)









I would also love to see pics of the 5-7 in use, but pics of pistols in use are harder to come by, since they're usually in the holster. :|
Thanks in advance. :hug:

~DmL

[DmL5]

Does anyone know if the US Delta Force have the P-90 in inventory? I've heard some talk of it.

[Brozozo]

I use one...


Actually not. This is me with a Dutch SF copy, I later learned that's not a smart way to hold the thing.

[FDF_Hemppis]

I later learned that's not a smart way to hold the thing.

You don't say... :P

[REMOV]

P90 users are also El Salvador and Suriname.

[shadower]

Watched few days ago on French TV Jordanian king bought couple of hundreds as they said for his own collection.

[KDF]

Some special units in Peru have them, I recall seeing images of presidential bodyguards carrying them and they were used in an operation to end an embassy seige there a few years ago.

[Dijital_Majik]

The Pakistani SF unit "SSG" also uses a licenced indiginous copy.

I'll see if I can dig up pics...

[Bluezoo]

:D :D :D

[Falco]

Pretty sure the caadian JTFF-2 checked them out a few years back but didn't change their MP-5s for them.

[DmL5]

I heard that the Dutch military is replacing the Glock 17 with the FN Five-seveN. Has anyone else heard this or does anyone know if its accurate?

[budgie]

I saw a Philippine airport guard at the domestic terminal in manila with one. They also had some older CAR15s and M16A1s

[Christophe]

The Richland County S.O. SRT in SC uses the P90 since around 1999.
They were the first tactical team to place this system in full service in the US.

[CQB_Operator]

The Richland County S.O. SRT in SC uses the P90 since around 1999.
They were the first tactical team to place this system in full service in the US.

WRONG, it was the Houston SWAT team.

[Christophe]

Not according to a letter I got dated 9july 2001, from a Captain of the SRT, which included insignias and pics of the team.
If you like I can pm you his name and contact address (work).
Either he is wrong or you are.Don´t make much difference. :hug:

[kayaker]

What I dont understand about the P90 is that the magazine lies horizontally on the weapon. So somehow the catridge has to be rotated 90 degrees to fit into the chamber. A revolutionary system, not? Can anyone explain?

Ryan :cantbeli:

[Tsunami]

I know that Italian NOCS and GIS use P90 for VIP Protection..

[CQB_Operator]

Not according to a letter I got dated 9july 2001, from a Captain of the SRT, which included insignias and pics of the team.
If you like I can pm you his name and contact address (work).
Either he is wrong or you are.Don´t make much difference. :hug:

Here is another article (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23007&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=p90&start=16&sid=316bd1fbfee6abd338d7b30b71d5fd75)

Experiences with the FN P90


By Sandy Wall


The Houston, TX, Police Department was the first American law enforcement agency to deploy with the FN P90 submachine gun on its SWAT team. We received five P90s into our inventory in 1999 along with several thousand 5.7mm rounds of ammunition. After a short period of in-house testing and training, the P90s became operational within our entry team elements. The P90 has been utilized primarily at the point man positions where its CQB features are best utilized.
The first time I saw a P90, I couldn’t help but notice how unique and interesting it looked. It was fun to shoot and no one could argue about the innovations the engineers at Fabrique National in Belgium had featured on this weapon. The fact remained, however, that the 5.7x28mm cartridge was unproven.
We had all the energy data and gelatin shots, but had no documentation on what the round would do on a real human body. It may sound morbid, but in the tactical world the proof is in the real deal. That missing element was always in the back of our minds.
Well, the jury is now in. Houston SWAT was involved with the first and only lethal engagement with the weapon to date.
I first wrote an article on the P90 for the Texas Tactical Police Officers Association (TTPOA) Command Magazine. Then, as well as now, I carried a P90 as my primary weapon. I have shot thousands of 5.7mm rounds in training and continue to deploy with the weapon on every SWAT situation and high-risk warrant I respond to.
I concede that the P90 is not all things to all people. However, for what I do, as a SWAT officer in a major city, it’s a great weapon. Its CQB features are many, so I will just touch on the high points.
The weapon system, including both the P90 submachine gun and the FiveseveN pistol, is built around the SS190 5.7x28mm cartridge. One of the unique features about this system is that the cartridge can be fired from an assault rifle or a handgun. The SS190 version of the 5.7mm cartridge uses a 31-grain, steel jacketed, steel tipped, aluminum core bullet. It is capable of 2350fps and it can defeat level IIIA body armor at 200 meters. The bullet contains no lead for environments that prohibit toxins.
The round is not cheap but as the weapon becomes more popular here in the United States, the cost should come down. Winchester will soon assemble the 5.7mm round from imported FN components and also plans to make a hollowpoint round.
The 5.7mm round has 379 ft-lbs of energy, compared to 1300 ft-lbs for the 5.56mm NATO. The recoil from the 5.7mm round is much less than even the 9mm.
The SS190 ball is not only flat shooting, but also capable of penetrating car doors and auto-glass with minimum ricochet potential. In contrast, the bullet is designed to stay intact and start a controlled tumble once it penetrates a soft medium, thus reducing any over-penetration worries. The SS190 ball penetrates between 11 and 13.5 inches of gelatin, compared to between 17 and 22 inches of penetration for the M855 dual-core 5.56mm NATO round.
Upon impact with soft targets, the 5.7mm ball tumbles one time, base over point. This transfers energy and limits over-penetration. The 5.7mm ball produces a wound cavity about the size and shape of the best 9mm 115 grain JHP +P+, except the peak occurs at a deeper penetration.
In the one shooting we had with the P90, the bullet performed well. In fact, the bullet performed exactly as it was designed. The autopsy provided detailed information about the wound cavity and travel of the bullets. None of the 5.7mm rounds fragmented and as far as we can tell, none exited either. The shooting itself was a violent confrontation with many rounds exchanged between the suspect and the react team. The suspect was hit multiple times with both 5.56mm and 5.7mm rounds.
The P90 works from a simple blow-back bolt in a bullpup design. It is as easy to break down and clean as any gun you will ever shoot. I have been amazed at how little residue I find even after hundreds of rounds. I find less residue than in most weapons fired only 50 rounds. The simplicity of the action provides almost no chance of malfunctions. We literally tried to make one of ours malfunction by refusing to clean it. After several thousand rounds we couldn’t stand it anymore, broke down and cleaned it anyway. To this day, after thousands of rounds down range, I have yet to experience a malfunction with my P90.
The ergonomic design provides comfort and speed on target but does not compromise accuracy. It can hold a respectable group at 100 yards and the recoil is about one third of an M4, and even less than a 9mm MP5. Recoil management and time back on target is easy. It has a two-stage trigger in full-auto mode that allows the shooter to fire single or full-auto fire with just trigger manipulation— no more accidentally going full-auto because you did not realize where your selector was positioned. With the P90 the shooter has to commit a conscious effort to pull through the semi-auto stage to the full auto mode.
Every feature of the weapon can be operated equally from the right or left hand position. Spent casings eject straight down, which makes my partners on the firing line happy. No more doing the hot-brass-down-my-shirt dance. FN even has a slick little pouch that neatly attaches to the eject port. It will catch about a hundred casings before you have to dump it.
The 50 round magazine almost eliminates the need to carry extra ammo. The magazine is translucent, which allows the shooter to know how many rounds remain with just a glance, even while you operate the weapon because the magazine sits right on top of the weapon just below the shooter’s cheek well.
The P90 comes with a two or three rail option for after market accessories and an optional built in laser. One of the drawbacks of the weapon is poor iron sights and I don’t really care for the optional factory optics. We popped them off and went with EOTech Holo sights. Normally, I’m not big on lasers, but in this case I use my built-in laser as a good back up to my holo sights should it malfunction.
When I talk to operators from other agencies about weapons, I now seldom have to explain what weapon I’m talking about when I mention the P90 as my primary. Obviously the folks at FN are getting the message out and the weapon is now familiar. If you operate in an environment like the one I operate in, you can’t go wrong with a P90 slung at the low-ready.

PS: You're right Chris, it doesn't matter who's the first SWAT team to use the P90 but I know the guy from the article, and I know they get the P90 in 1999 :hug:

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

Glock wrote: Jagdkommando with P90-SD

Are they still testing it, or are they now using it?


The P-90 is now in use and replace the Steyr MPi 69, the Steyr TMP the Uzi and the Scorpion SMG which were in use.

[kayaker]

Anyone have any down-to-earth info on the loading system?

[CQB_Operator]

you can find here some info
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/tw_p90.htm
http://remtek.com/arms/fn/p90/
http://users.belgacom.net/jm.armes/FNP90/P90_menu.htm ( in french but with diagrams of the loading system))

[DmL5]

Glock wrote: Jagdkommando with P90-SD

Are they still testing it, or are they now using it?


The P-90 is now in use and replace the Steyr MPi 69, the Steyr TMP the Uzi and the Scorpion SMG which were in use.


Thanks, I had been wondering about that.

[One_A]

Somewhat related to this topic:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/4075959/detail.html

[DmL5]

Somewhat related to this topic:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/4075959/detail.html

Heard about that; I'm actually surprised it hasn't made the news earlier.

It will probably end up banned...Only months after being released to the public. I wonder how this will affect the civilian-legal P90 thats in development.

[DTTO]

I heard that the Dutch military is replacing the Glock 17 with the FN Five-seveN. Has anyone else heard this or does anyone know if its accurate?

No, at this time they are not, where did you hear this?¿?.
Different pistols with different uses.

S.

[grabie]

Spanish GEO;

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QQD9Al0TiXiipiOcfD0*C8JW7NakNC6anguucGia5DPvysE*3wWXdkDdiywgaOdEwQDsSI15J8d2xXB0IGfsZ4bZYrwWVHzgFrJNgVZ6pFY/geo.jpg?dc=4675506273559703046

[DmL5]

Regarding the Dutch military using the Five-seveN, here is the original post I found on this website:


DEMSPEC
Rank 0
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 45
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:30 am Post subject:

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Yes the Dutch Military is planning to replace the Glock 17 for the FN Five Seven. And our CT team all ready got the
FN P90.

I thought I'd ask to see if anyone can prove or deny the authenticity of it. Perhaps I should create a new thread for it?

[DTTO]

Regarding the Dutch military using the Five-seveN, here is the original post I found on this website:


DEMSPEC
Rank 0
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 45
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:30 am Post subject:

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Yes the Dutch Military is planning to replace the Glock 17 for the FN Five Seven. And our CT team all ready got the
FN P90.

I thought I'd ask to see if anyone can prove or deny the authenticity of it. Perhaps I should create a new thread for it?

Thank you DmL5 for that info. I'll ask around tomorrow about the possible replacement.
I've done a bit of reading up on DEMSPEC... he states he spend 4 years in the KCT, 4 in the Airmobile Brigade, and one in OJKL ... yet OJKL started in 97/98 (http://www.mindef.nl/nieuws/parlement/brieven/131299_kindsoldaten.html).
I might be misreading what he said, if so, DEMSPEC, please clear up what I missed. Not trying to harm you in any way DemSpec., just trying to clear something up.
We might even have some mutual friends...

S.

[PrincessRAR]

I think the Australian SASR are using P90's now for their CQC/CQB weapons

Not in a million years.
You can squash that rumour now.

Did you make that up all by yourself or get some help?

[MK-ULTRA]

Montreal Police SWAT Unit uses the Five-seveN as well as the P90.

[DmL5]

Regarding the Dutch military using the Five-seveN, here is the original post I found on this website:


DEMSPEC
Rank 0
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 45
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:30 am Post subject:

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Yes the Dutch Military is planning to replace the Glock 17 for the FN Five Seven. And our CT team all ready got the
FN P90.

I thought I'd ask to see if anyone can prove or deny the authenticity of it. Perhaps I should create a new thread for it?

Thank you DmL5 for that info. I'll ask around tomorrow about the possible replacement.
I've done a bit of reading up on DEMSPEC... he states he spend 4 years in the KCT, 4 in the Airmobile Brigade, and one in OJKL ... yet OJKL started in 97/98 (http://www.mindef.nl/nieuws/parlement/brieven/131299_kindsoldaten.html).
I might be misreading what he said, if so, DEMSPEC, please clear up what I missed. Not trying to harm you in any way DemSpec., just trying to clear something up.
We might even have some mutual friends...

S.

Any update on this?

[DTTO]

I can't even find people who might have heared a rumour that the five-seven will replace the Glock as the standard pistol in the Army here.

S.

[AUDIEM249]

Brozozo how does the p90 fire i have always wanted to hear please post or pm me :D :hug: woot

[Undo]

In case you missed it, I put this in the "Videos of Russian weapons" thread.

P90 is quite nice. Recoil is straight back, no climb. very managable.

Right click, save as (http://www.simondog.com/mvd/p90.mov)

[Old Dominion]

They're supposed to release the civilian versions of the FN2000 (FS2000) and P90(PS90) To us Yanks in the early part of 2006. Cost $1795 FS2000 and $1400 PS90. Get on the waiting list.

[RFSU]

LongWay wrote:
I think the Australian SASR are using P90's now for their CQC/CQB weapons

Nice one mate, where on earth did you here that load of crap?

[DmL5]

Have any of these units using the P90 had shootings with it?

If so how did it perform?

[Brozozo]

Brozozo how does the p90 fire i have always wanted to hear please post or pm me :D :hug: woot

Reaaall smooth, like AUDIEM249 said, climb is minimal and the weapon is really manageable. I fired it only with a suppressor and those rounds came out with just a faint woof of air, real pleasure. woot

[AUDIEM249]

Reaaall smooth, like AUDIEM249 said, climb is minimal and the weapon is really manageable. I fired it only with a suppressor and those rounds came out with just a faint woof of air, real pleasure. thank you very nice to hear :D :hug: i was told that if i enlist i can own one as long as it is kept and fired on government property can anyone verify this :)

[Paracaidista]

Some special units in Peru have them, I recall seeing images of presidential bodyguards carrying them and they were used in an operation to end an embassy seige there a few years ago.

The operation in mention is called Chavin de Huantar (http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Peru/Assault.htm) and it was very famous and succesfull back in April 1997. This article mention the use of P90 as well as other weapons, but no word is told if the gun actually was fired upon somebody, if so, it might be the first use of the gun in real combat. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also world.guns.ru (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm) mentions it as issued to Peruvian SF as well.

Greetings

Alex

[DmL5]

Some special units in Peru have them, I recall seeing images of presidential bodyguards carrying them and they were used in an operation to end an embassy seige there a few years ago.

The operation in mention is called Chavin de Huantar (http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Peru/Assault.htm) and it was very famous and succesfull back in April 1997. This article mention the use of P90 as well as other weapons, but no word is told if the gun actually was fired upon somebody, if so, it might be the first use of the gun in real combat. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also world.guns.ru (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm) mentions it as issued to Peruvian SF as well.

Greetings

Alex

Yes it was the first shooting with the P90 and it performed very well from what I hear.

Thanks for all the posts.

[LazerLordz]

Singapore's 1st Commando Battalion CRF and SOF are using it too.

[SdWaRrIoR]

You guys have been here right? check out all the vids, their is a cool P90 one

http://www.militarycity.com/blackwater/videos.html

[wholagun]

how ppl don't shoot off thier fingers with this gun is beyond me. :| I'd be missing half my hand after only one use.

[Ominae]

Some units in the AFP have them in service and I heard rumors that the Special Action Force of the Philippine National Police has used some in service, though I've yet to see some official/press photos.

[DmL5]

Some units in the AFP have them in service and I heard rumors that the Special Action Force of the Philippine National Police has used some in service, though I've yet to see some official/press photos.

AFP?

[Ominae]

Armed Forces of the Philippines

[DmL5]

Its under evaulation in sweden. If its accepted it will be adopted by swedish army, navy and airforce.

Fn herstal have a good repiutation in sweden. Our assault rifles and machine guns are Fn designs.

Any update on this?

[Johnny_H]

SG1 uses them
woot

[DmL5]

SG1 uses them

:lol:

[Ratamacue]

So do the Marines on Battlestar Galactica. ;)

[DmL5]

Its under evaulation in sweden. If its accepted it will be adopted by swedish army, navy and airforce.

Fn herstal have a good repiutation in sweden. Our assault rifles and machine guns are Fn designs.

Any update on this?

[Hotshot]

Belgian SF video clip(F2000,P90,FNC...)
http://www.specialforcesgroup.be/video/SFGintrolongue.wmv

[DmL5]

Bump, still anticipating more input. Thanks everyone so far.


-DmL

[ogukuo72]

Singapore's 1st Commando Battalion CRF and SOF are using it too.

Hmmm. Saw it at the National Day Parades but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are using it in the same sense as they are using the 9mm MP5 and 5.56mm M4.

[Herrmannek]

Singapore's 1st Commando Battalion CRF and SOF are using it too.

Hmmm. Saw it at the National Day Parades but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are using it in the same sense as they are using the 9mm MP5 and 5.56mm M4.
Its used in the quite great amounts by the forces that servers first frontier from armed and dangerous, so I'm sure we will get quickly reports about if any existing flaws in design on the round itself...

[ogukuo72]

Singapore's 1st Commando Battalion CRF and SOF are using it too.

Hmmm. Saw it at the National Day Parades but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are using it in the same sense as they are using the 9mm MP5 and 5.56mm M4.
Its used in the quite great amounts by the forces that servers first frontier from armed and dangerous, so I'm sure we will get quickly reports about if any existing flaws in design on the round itself...

Yes. Which is why the 9mm and 5.56mm combo is still very much standard. All 4.6mm or 5.7mm team make-up was hot for a while, but has now given way again to a combo.

[Limeyfellow]

Saudi Arabia also uses the p90 as do special forces in Peru.

The civilian version comes out next year called the PS90. I'll never be able to convince my wife to let me have one.

[Ominae]

If I remember, the Special Action Force acquired some P90s, though I don't know if they're fielding them right now.

[goat89]

Hmmm. Saw it at the National Day Parades but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are using it in the same sense as they are using the 9mm MP5 and 5.56mm M4.
In the recent NDP? Damn! I didn't see it! Was over 16,000KM over the big blue! NOOOOOOOOOO.........

[fox_111]

Montréal "swat" team use P90.

[StukaJr]

I find it funny that the Member DmL5 whom started this thread, did so as a part of the research to start opinionated threads on other forums in regards to 5.7's undisputed lethality and overall abandonment of all other forms of combat arms in favor of P90 and other bs... Like posting info gained from other forums as first hand info... And arguing superior ballistic performance of it, baiting support from various threads and then posting it on other forums as support to his claim.

It was funny to find links back to MilPhotos from other forums :D I have preference in certain weapons, but I don't volunteer my life to creating a cult for one!