Eurocopter Tiger

[Seiyuuki]

http://www.sunwa-trading.co.jp/Euro-Tiger2.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractor_images/fn_herstal/image1.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img003/eurocopter-tiger02.jpg

http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_uht_inf.jpg

http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_water.jpg

http://www.aeropresse.com/photo/bourget/bourget2001/EUROCOPTER/TIGRE02.jpg

Anyone have additional information the Eurocopter...such as which country have purchase them and so forth, thanx in advance.

[Kitsune]

Some links I could find:

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/USAircraft/Tiger.html

http://www.rotorhead.org/military/tiger.asp

http://www.helis.com/Since80s/h_aetg.php

http://anthonyjhicks.com/ajh/pictures.nsf/viewer/657A5E6F0E86CEC4CA256CD4004DE6F4http://www.robert-

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/eurocopter_tiger_photo_gallery.htm

[rob]

it is developed for/by the german and french.

[Ballistic]

Australia chose the Eurocopter over the Apache and Super Cobra as a replacement for the aging Kiowa (Recon) in the Recon/Gunship role. We should aquire some by the end of 2004. 22 will be purchased all up. Also a manufacturing plant will be constructed so more can be produced for the civilian market and also spare parts and perhaps more in the future for the Australian Army.

[Seiyuuki]

Also a manufacturing plant will be constructed so more can be produced for the civilian market and also spare parts and perhaps more in the future for the Australian Army.

Civilian market for the Eurocopter Tiger?????? Please expand on this, where, when and how to buy and all...

[Ballistic]

I believe the civilian model is called the EC120, it is not the same airframe, completely different. http://www.eurocopter.com/ec120/

Sorry, I should have elaborated further. :cantbeli:

[rob]

they had a law enforcement section maybe they will make the tiger for le. i can tell you that it would really discourage car chases. ;)

[Ballistic]

they had a law enforcement section maybe they will make the tiger for le. i can tell you that it would really discourage car chases. ;)

Hahahaha, definately. :D

[Uncle Chô]

Forget about the unsuitable AH-64 Longbow and the old AH-1W... :D

Lobby your local MP/senator and tell him (her) your country deserve to be equipped with THE combat helicopter of the 21st Century !

http://www.checkpoint-online.ch/CheckPoint/Images/N-Tigre-3.jpg http://www.checkpoint-online.ch/CheckPoint/Images/N-Tigre-2.jpg
http://avionhelico.chez.tiscali.fr/photos/Tigren4M.jpg
French elegance, German sturdiness ;) , factory fresh, up-to-date avionic, light and powerful, agile like a Chinese gymnast, the best 30mm canon and associated sighting system in the world, full composite airframe, crash resistant (see the Australian Army Testing Team for further info), post Cold War designed, perfectly suited for Low Intensity Conflicts, CAS oriented...

Want one ? Click http://www.eurocopter.com/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=95

Seriously, the first production aircraft entered into service with the a German Army Testing Squadron a few months ago. France and Germany developped a joint operated training school in South of France that is going to be operational in early 2004.

International sales only rely on the Australian contract yet. Spain is expected to order somes in the CAS role. But Eurocopter faces a strong opposition and lobbying from the mighty Boeing Company with the " Combat Proven / US Made " AH-64 in some countries despite the fact that indeed the Tiger is much more suited for today's low intensity conflicts than the heavy Apache...

[Herrmannek]

Airshow Photo Gallery by Robert Stetter (http://www.robert-stetter.de/ECD_Tiger_Rollout/ecd_tiger_first_flight_1.html)
From page:

http://www.robert-stetter.de/ECD_Tiger_Rollout/pics/01_37_Tiger.jpg

Eurocopter Tiger UHT It's not a looping!
This one was taken from underneath, while the helicopter was going vertical

[Seiyuuki]

So...which shall it be???

This: AH-1W SuperCobra

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/ah-1w-cobra4.jpg

or...AH-1Z

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/AH-1Z-pic.jpg

or...AH-64D Longbow

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/ah-64DTILT.jpg

or...RAH-66 Commanche

http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2001/10/killer_choppers/images/lg_PIX2.jpg

or...Eurocopter Tiger

http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_water.jpg

or...Mi-28 Havoc

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ru_helo_mi28_03.jpg

[He219]

What about the Kamov Ka-50 Hokum-A?

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka50/images/ka50_11.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka50/images/ka50_5.jpg


And don't forget about AIRWOLF!

:P

[Seiyuuki]

OR.............

CSH-2 Rooivalk

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/images/roo04.jpg

[He219]

That thing looks remarkably similar to the 'Tiger'....

p-)

[Trigger]

http://www.gregdonner.org/blue_thunder/bt_main.gif
http://www.gregdonner.org/blue_thunder/bt_logo.jpg

hehehe :D

[Seiyuuki]

rofl rofl rofl rofl

Anyone ever heard or seen this certain helicopter gunship design before??????

http://www.honeywellaerospace.com/prod_byplatform_mil_heli.htm

Also...if you want to talk about Eurocopter Tiger look-alike...check this out...

http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/foto/kazan_ansat_military.jpg


The military version of the Kazan-built "Ansat" light helicopter revealed at the Moscow airshow in August 2001.

[khukuri]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/agusta/images/agusta4.jpg

Agusta mangusta a129 italiaaaa

[Seiyuuki]

Are we missing any other helicopter gunship (beside a few older models, i.e. Hind)...I think we posted them all. :lol:

[usa320]

The Euroctoper's attack systems cannot compare with the Longbow system of the Apache and commanche.

http://www.checkpoint-online.ch/CheckPoint/Images/N-Tigre-3.jpg

That avionics package looks remarkably similar to the displays found in Civilian Airbus jetliners.[/img]

[Vertigo]

ILA 2006 Berlin

http://www.eads.net/xml/content/OF00000000400004/4/33/41335334.jpg

http://www.eads.net/xml/content/OF00000000400004/2/33/41335332.jpg

http://www.eads.net/xml/content/OF00000000400004/6/32/41335326.jpg

http://www.eads.net/xml/content/OF00000000400004/0/33/41335330.jpg

High-Res:
http://www.eads.net/web/lang/en/1024/content/OF00000000400004/5/03/41326035.html

[Bert]

To all those suggesting various helos.. You forgot the Ka-50-2 Erdogan with Israeli avionics, which I think would be the best choice. It's quite possibly the ugliest frog of an aircraft I've ever seen, but it sounds like the best of both worlds.

[Resurrection]

Great photos of the Tiger!

Still kind of partial to the AH-1Z Super Cobra though...

[Nebelwerfer.]

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[Vostok]

Love the pics of the Tiger, I would love a chance to get a rid in one :)

[MK-ULTRA]

Are we missing any other helicopter gunship (beside a few older models, i.e. Hind)...I think we posted them all. :lol:

It is still being produced.

[andres3300]

Tiger will also be in service in Spain. 24 units have been ordered and they will be assembled at a new Eurocopter facility in Spain.

The version ordered is not yet clear since Spain has always been pushing for an specific version with the tactical capabilities of both the German and French models (HAP and HAS) this means cannon, antitank and antiaircraft capabilities in one single package. From my point of view this would make the most sense to increase export sales.

[Ravage]

:D :D :D :D

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3782/1160mh6j206im.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1160mh6j206im.jpg)

"Little Bird'' RULEZ ;)

[zkurvenepice]

Airshow Photo Gallery by Robert Stetter (http://www.robert-stetter.de/ECD_Tiger_Rollout/ecd_tiger_first_flight_1.html)
From page:

<IMG style="WIDTH: 480px; ; WIDTH: expression(this.width > 640 ? 480 : true)" alt="" src="http://www.robert-stetter.de/ECD_Tiger_Rollout/pics/01_37_Tiger.jpg" border=0>

Eurocopter Tiger UHT It's not a looping!
This one was taken from underneath, while the helicopter was going vertical



That IS looping:-)))

http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/eagles/shows/southport01_28.jpg

http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/eagles/shows/gdwd0307.jpg

http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/eagles/shows/gdwd0308.jpg

[Oscar]

spanish tigres

[venom]

how come the germans didnt take the version with the cannon? wouldnt that add a good weapon against smaller targets where you dont want to "waste" a rocket for?

[variable]

They something like bought the option to add the turret cannon. But mainly they didn't purchase it because the German chopper's role is different to the French's or the Aussie's.

[tribal]

sad face

http://matthieu.papin.free.fr/french/Aeronautique/helico/Images/RAH66%20comanche.jpg


http://www.minihelicopter.net/RAH66Comanche/RAH-66%20Comanche.jpg

[zulu261]

how come the germans didnt take the version with the cannon? wouldnt that add a good weapon against smaller targets where you dont want to "waste" a rocket for?


I heard that they wait for the new 30mm RMK from Mauser. (Recoillesss Machine Gun).

[JoaMei]

I heard that they wait for the new 30mm RMK from Mauser. (Recoillesss Machine Gun).

The weapon is ready, the Money is not.... :roll:

[Pvt.Anderson]

sad face

http://matthieu.papin.free.fr/french/Aeronautique/helico/Images/RAH66%20comanche.jpg


http://www.minihelicopter.net/RAH66Comanche/RAH-66%20Comanche.jpg

AFAIK the commance program was cancelled right ?

[Bert]

Yes, it's dead and buried.

[Resurrection]

AFAIK the commance program was cancelled right ?

Yes .

[variable]

Uncle Sam has insuffiscient funds? How can that happen? I thought they would cut the presidents old age pensions in the first place before they cancel something military....

[zulu261]

The weapon is ready, the Money is not.... :roll:


Well and I hoped ... :)

Puma without AT Rocket, Tiger without Gun...sometimes I start asking myself who is planing that crap.

[Vertigo]

The weapon is ready, the Money is not.... :roll:

The development of this weapon system is not ready! Production can start earliest 2008

@CoRe

The guns of the french Tiger and the Apache have many drawbacks. The helicopter must hoover when he wants to fire. The range is to short (<800m). The precision isn't accurate.

[Greek soldier]

AFAIK the commance program was cancelled right ?

Yeas and quite sad. And I wanted to see how capable was the Fenestron technology (Fantail) for an attack helicopter. :(

[AlphaOneSix]

I feel the need to respond to some of this, with regards to the Apache, anyway:

The helicopter must hover when he wants to fire. False, and there are many videos available on the Internet showing Apaches doing running fire with the gun.

The range is to short (<800m). False, the Apache's gun is effective out to about 2500m.

The precision isn't accurate. I'll go ahead and say this is true, but then again, the gun on the Apache is called the AREA Weapon System for a reason.

[Vertigo]

I feel the need to respond to some of this, with regards to the Apache, anyway:
False, and there are many videos available on the Internet showing Apaches doing running fire with the gun.
It cannot aim thereby and hit any target.



False, the Apache's gun is effective out to about 2500m.
That is true. My mistake. I spoak about the French Tiger.

[zzztip]

the GIAT 30 M781 cannon is the cannon which will be used on the Tiger HAP and HAD versions (the Australian ARh version will use the 20 mm cannon I believe).
It is said to have a very good precision both in air-to-ground and air-to-air, but it has a big recoil and thus must be used only in single-shot or burst mode.

The normal range of engagement is 1500 meters.

***
I made a mistake, the Australian ARH version will use the 30 mm version.
Here is a small video (real player) : http://www.giat-industries.fr/video/prod_thl2030.rm

[zulu261]

Anyway, I hope Germany applies the Mauser RMK. Great Weapon.

200 KJ muzzle energy compared to 80 KJ which is the energy of the Apache cannon.

http://www.waffenhq.de/flugzeuge/rmk30.html

Some infos in German.

[AlphaOneSix]

It cannot aim thereby and hit any target.

I don't really understand what you mean by this. The gun is fully capable of slewing through its full range while the aircraft is in motion. While the gun can be aimed by the pilot or gunner's head movements, it usually isn't. It is usually slaved to the TADS, so it "aims" just fine regardless of the helicopter's movement. Naturally, it helps if the aircraft is steady, but that could be straight and level flight, not just a hover.

[Vertigo]

I don't really understand what you mean by this. The gun is fully capable of slewing through its full range while the aircraft is in motion. While the gun can be aimed by the pilot or gunner's head movements, it usually isn't. It is usually slaved to the TADS, so it "aims" just fine regardless of the helicopter's movement. Naturally, it helps if the aircraft is steady, but that could be straight and level flight, not just a hover.
Is the helicopter in motion, it can not hit a small target without luck. A !precision! fireing is only possible when the helicopter hovers. That is valid für both, Apache and HAP Tiger respectively. For example the gun can not used against other air targets under the range of Mistral or stinger (<800m). And that is one point of criticism why Germany don't buy the gun. The other point: The electronis of the Giat gun is placed inside the nose of the helicopter. The German Tiger has no more place inside the nose for these electronics.

Video Tiger on ILA Berlin
http://event.netvision.de/basic_dispatching/?eads_as06&presentation_id=84e76823d399ff31d7ea28cbec5a60fd

[Bert]

Uncle Sam has insuffiscient funds? How can that happen? I thought they would cut the presidents old age pensions in the first place before they cancel something military....
No, they decided they didn't need a stealth recon helicopter afterall once they realised that UAVs did that job already.

[AlphaOneSix]

Is the helicopter in motion, it can not hit a small target without luck. A !precision! fireing is only possible when the helicopter hovers. For the kind of precision you're talking about, no helicopter can do that while moving. This problem is not specific to any one helicopter. For example, in the widely-circulated video of an Apache engaging suspected insurgents at night near a tractor and two trucks, the aircraft is not hovering, it's moving. While I will grant that it's moving fairly slowly, if you are trying to say that the gun on the Apache is inaccurate when the aircraft is maneuvering violently, then that will be the case for any platform.

For example the gun can not used against other air targets under the range of Mistral or stinger (<800m) Again, for the Apache, this is completely untrue. I know for a fact that Apache pilots are trained in the use of the gun in aerial engagements at close range. Again, a stable firing platform helps, but isn't required. I'm wondering what you've seen or read that gives you these impressions.

[Andrew116]

What about the Kamov Ka-50 Hokum-A?

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka50/images/ka50_11.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka50/images/ka50_5.jpg


And don't forget about AIRWOLF!

:P

Not to be picky or anything but the top one is a Ka-52 while the Bottom is the Ka-50

oh and the Ka-50/51 would own all there a$$'s

[adlep]

Anyway, I hope Germany applies the Mauser RMK. Great Weapon.

200 KJ muzzle energy compared to 80 KJ which is the energy of the Apache cannon.

http://www.waffenhq.de/flugzeuge/rmk30.html

Some infos in German.

Could not understand the text, but the weapon looks badass on pictures and diagrams...
:D

[zzztip]

For example the gun can not used against other air targets under the range of Mistral or stinger (<800m)
Again, for the Apache, this is completely untrue. I know for a fact that Apache pilots are trained in the use of the gun in aerial engagements at close range. Again, a stable firing platform helps, but isn't required. I'm wondering what you've seen or read that gives you these impressions.


And again for the HAP Tiger that is untrue too, the normal range of engagement of the GIAT 30 M781 against Air-to-Air targets is 1200 meters.

[S70A_9]

Australia chose the Eurocopter over the Apache and Super Cobra as a replacement for the aging Kiowa (Recon) in the Recon/Gunship role. We should aquire some by the end of 2004. 22 will be purchased all up. Also a manufacturing plant will be constructed so more can be produced for the civilian market and also spare parts and perhaps more in the future for the Australian Army.

Seriously, this should be changed to "did choose the Tiger..." "We have already got some (4 I Think, maybe 5 built so far of the 22)" "There is a manufacturing plant, EADS at Brisbane Airport"

www.defence.gov.au (http://www.defence.gov.au)

Image Gallery: search "Tiger" or "arh" etc.

Cheers.

[weissent]

Could not understand the text, but the weapon looks badass on pictures and diagrams...
:D

Quote from Wikipedia:

"RMK30 is a recoiless autocannon firing 30x230mm caseless ammunition cartridges. The gun was developed by the German company Mauser, which is now a subsidiary of Rheinmetall Detec AG. RMK30 is a three-chamber revolver cannon, the revolver and firing mechanism are driven by an electric motor, allowing variable rates of fire of up to 300 rounds/min. Part of the propellant gases is ejected to the rear of the cannon compensating the recoil[1], allowing lightweight and less rigid mounts.

RMK30 cannons have been proposed as upgrade for the Bundeswehr's (German armed forces) Tiger UHT attack helicopters. The UHT version currently lacks a gun, since the Bundeswehr was not happy with the recoil of the French GIAT 30mm cannon which is fitted to other Tiger versions.

An unusual study suggests mounting a RMK30 gun in a retractable mast on a submarine. Such masts would extend the capabilities of submarines, which currently lack appropiate means to fight small surface targets or just give warning shots"




There have been trials with the BW where one of these guns in question (Mauser RMK 30) was mounted on a Wiesel weapon platform.

Check this site for further information (only German) (http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/bw_watr_wiesel_1_bmk_30mm-a.htm)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/weissent/agx.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/weissent/agy.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/weissent/agz.jpg

[Frank the soldier]

At the www.adf-serials.com are the Australian ARHTiger with numbers and pictures . How number is at once in the production ???

The site isn´t at the actually time. How can post the newest ARH Tiger Pictures (number 9 and 10 ???)

[kamarian]

tigers 9 and 10 are still in preflight testing as far as i know.

[Silent_Hunter]

Tiger for Indonesian Army

[goose36]

can anyone tell me why is it taking so long for the tiger to go operational here in OZ, yes i know it takes alot of time and yes i know they had troubles with the hellfire and software but bloody hell, if anyone could shed any light on this it would be great.

[A13x]

Hope one makes an appearance for Avalon, though I'm doubtful :(

[variable]

German Tigers at Tegel Air Base in Berlin, Germany:


http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6572/tegelcc3.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6572/tegelcc3.jpg)
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5271/tigertegeltx7.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5271/tigertegeltx7.jpg)

[JoaMei]

The two lower Tigers dont look like the german version. Are they French, Australian or Spanish?

[variable]

You're right. The shadow of the nose gun is visible. Dunno whose they are...

[zulu261]

In case of the camo I would say they're French. But what are they doing here in Germany?

[Atlantic Friend]

In case of the camo I would say they're French. But what are they doing here in Germany?

Joint exercise maybe ? Or a courtesy visit ?

[v.Manstein]

I guess, they were part of a EvacOp exercise shown on ILA 2004 or 2006. Nothing special.

[variable]

I guess, they were part of a EvacOp exercise shown on ILA 2004 or 2006. Nothing special.


Those are 2006 pics. And the ILA is regularly located at Schoenefeld airport, this is Tegel airport, as mentioned.

[Hiroshima]

No, they decided they didn't need a stealth recon helicopter afterall once they realised that UAVs did that job already.

The way it was described to me by the budget folks was that they were on version F or G without having a version A fielded. So it was costing more per helicopter at the point they cancelled it than when it was proposed.

[JoaMei]

i meet a tiger pilot (german) in my work near toulon (france)..he said german's choose a radar in top of copter for scaning over threes.....

Its not a Radar, its a thermal imager.

[Gogf]

If this thing is half decent, maybe Europe can take responsibility for its own defense and stop tying us down as a deterrent to a nonexistent threat.

[Atlantic Friend]

If this thing is half decent, maybe Europe can take responsibility for its own defense and stop tying us down as a deterrent to a nonexistent threat.

We tie you down ? Man, and me who thought you enjoyed having bases in Europe, East and West !

[variable]

If this thing is half decent, maybe Europe can take responsibility for its own defense and stop tying us down as a deterrent to a nonexistent threat.

You don't make sense. What are you referring to?

If it's just political flamestuff, stop it...

[Gogf]

You don't make sense. What are you referring to?

If it's just political flamestuff, stop it...

I'm referring to the fact that we still have a ton of troops sitting Europe waiting to fight off the Soviets.

[Gogf]

I mean, I'm all for having bases in Europe and protecting democracies from any and all threats, but these are some of the most wealthy nations in the world. They should be able to chip in to their own defense a bit more.

[Atlantic Friend]

I mean, I'm all for having bases in Europe and protecting democracies from any and all threats, but these are some of the most wealthy nations in the world. They should be able to chip in to their own defense a bit more.

You mean, tell the US they don't need the bases and troops on their territory ?

[JoaMei]

You actually should be nominated for the Dumbarse of the week title... :cantbeli:

[variable]

Just in case you don't know: The US likes and needs its assets in Europe.

[v.Manstein]

Those are 2006 pics. And the ILA is regularly located at Schoenefeld airport, this is Tegel airport, as mentioned.

Okay, my fault... Tegel was the nearby base, starting-point for the EvacOp hold in Schönefeld p-)

[Silent_Hunter]

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?mode=&noeu_id=54&lang=EN

[koozya]

I'm referring to the fact that we still have a ton of troops sitting Europe waiting to fight off the Soviets.

Soviets?????? wow they r still around?

[Silent_Hunter]

nic pic of tiger heli