Should Britain move to Digital Camo?

[cbass]

The U.S have taken it on, and many onthers are following. So should Brittania go for the new camouflage? :roll:

[B_706K]

The U.S have taken it on, and many onthers are following. So should Brittania go for the new camouflage? :roll:

i want digi camo!! why cant we just accept that its better and not try and be different.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4287760&postcount=75

Piss of with your digital camo fetish. And in answer to your question - No! Why do you think it's so great anyway?
Two post on the forum and both about your camo digi cam obsession.

[The Dane]

Flecktarn ffs!!

[Eagle The Lightning]

Mongface .

[Arfah]

Camouflage is about effective concealment.

Not fashion trends !

DPM is part of the British Armed Forces 'Corporate Image'


MONGFACE !

[cbass]

B_706K - listen you ****head, mentioning it 2 times makes it an obsession? Im British but grew up in the states in Georgia, and attended military school for 4 years, so thats what i know. Im joining the Para reg here and i just think that the digi cam is the way forward and cant understand that even when were investing in new kit were not moving forward with the obvious option.

[Eagle The Lightning]

http://i39.tinypic.com/29xxiiw.jpg

[Deathchant]

Flecktarn ffs!!

I like flecktarn, its preaty.
Digital! Pah!
Mongface.

[Skutatos]

B_706K - listen you ****head, mentioning it 2 times makes it an obsession? Im British but grew up in the states in Georgia, and attended military school for 4 years, so thats what i know. Im joining the Para reg here and i just think that the digi cam is the way forward and cant understand that even when were investing in new kit were not moving forward with the obvious option.

Probably because the camo they are using works well enough as it is.

[Deathchant]

B_706K - listen you ****head, mentioning it 2 times makes it an obsession? Im British but grew up in the states in Georgia, and attended military school for 4 years, so thats what i know. Im joining the Para reg here and i just think that the digi cam is the way forward and cant understand that even when were investing in new kit were not moving forward with the obvious option.

Mabey they test stuff and find one that suits best. Mabey its not digital.

[RECON DOC]

Camouflage is about effective concealment.

Not fashion trends !

!


Wrong, wrong and wrong. Every experienced soldier knows that camo is all about looking and feeling cool.
Concealment is secondary, maybe even thirdondary.
You Brits need to get with the program FFS.

[cbass]

So what yall are saying is that digital isnt the way forward? And im not talking about the fashion, dont be stupid Arfah. Its being taken on by many military branches around the world. Paintball are taking it on in their sport and hunting its becoming more and more used.. so all is see is positive results. It makes sense using small digital prints, rather than big splodges, does it not?

[Corrupt]

I fail to see whats up with DPM, works well enough in my (albeit limited) experience. I'd definitely rather wear the temperate and desert DPM than one all encompassing ACU tbh. Why does small digital prints make it better. The splodges are random and of the correct colour...

Check this for example. Me the other day wearing black trousers and a flecktarn smock+cap.
Thats blending fairly well and the trousers are solid black for christs sake!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/DemonofRazgriz/5331_124335171340_731141340_3576557.jpg

[Arfah]

B_706K - listen you ****head, mentioning it 2 times makes it an obsession? Im British but grew up in the states in Georgia, and attended military school for 4 years, so thats what i know. Im joining the Para reg here and i just think that the digi cam is the way forward and cant understand that even when were investing in new kit were not moving forward with the obvious option.

1. You need to finish growing up first.

2. Military school doesn't make you a military expert.

3. The U.S. doesn't have a Parachute Regiment.

4. Have you been tampering with your brain's safety catch ?

5. You cannot teach understanding.

6. Obvious at first glance perhaps. Now go pack to point 1.

:bash:

[Arfah]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Every experienced soldier knows that camo is all about looking and feeling cool.
Concealment is secondary, maybe even thirdondary (Tertiary is the word you are looking for).
You Brits need to get with the program (programme) FFS.


Nice try ! p-)

[Leaper]

He means to join the British one...

[B_706K]

B_706K - listen you ****head, mentioning it 2 times makes it an obsession? Im British but grew up in the states in Georgia, and attended military school for 4 years, so thats what i know. Im joining the Para reg here and i just think that the digi cam is the way forward and cant understand that even when were investing in new kit were not moving forward with the obvious option.

So what yall are saying is that digital isnt the way forward? And im not talking about the fashion, dont be stupid Arfah. Its being taken on by many military branches around the world. Paintball are taking it on in their sport and hunting its becoming more and more used.. so all is see is positive results. It makes sense using small digital prints, rather than big splodges, does it not?


NEWS JUST IN!! Child knows better than entire Armed Forces an M.O.D.
'Paintballers are using it!!!' he states.
Lists qualifications as 4 years school and joining the Para's.
Obviously an expert in his field.
When he's running around it with his airsoft mates.
/Thread.

And yes appearing out of no where and making your very first two posts a 'WAAAH' on the subject at hand, does sort of seem like a bit of an obsession.

[Arfah]

So what yall are saying is that digital isnt the way forward? And im not talking about the fashion, dont be stupid Arfah. Its being taken on by many military branches around the world. Paintball are taking it on in their sport and hunting its becoming more and more used.. so all is see is positive results. It makes sense using small digital prints, rather than big splodges, does it not?


Stupidity ? You're the juvenile who started this bone thread. :roll:

I've no problem with any nation's armed forces going digital. Digiflage patterns have not proven themselves anymore effective than DPM, so why should we change ?

A new DPM is undergoing trials as part of the PECOC programme and will change slightly. It's called development(you should give it a try).

I've not heard any positive feedback about ACU from any U.S.Army personnel that I've spoken to whilst on Ops. It does seem quite effective in dusty, urban ops but way out of place in a lush green enviroment.

[joeyl]

personally I don't think it would be a good idea. Look at us and we already are in the works of getting a new camo for Afghan and contender isn't a digital scheme.

If the UK does make the switch they should just digitalize( is that a word) the current uniform like we should of done. Not to mention the cost of such a project. To me the Marines got it dead on and nothing else compares.

[Arfah]

He means to join the British one...

He must be a distant relation to 'Mike Golden.'

[Corrupt]

He must be a distant relation to 'Mike Golden.'
I did actually Lol at that...

[cbass]

2. Military school doesn't make you a military expert.

3. The U.S. doesn't have a Parachute Regiment.

...yeah, im British..read the message before you try acting smart mate. Secondly when did i state that im a military expert i merley stated that when i attended military school in the states its what we used to wear. Get the facts straight, youre making a muppet of yourself arfah.

[Fireball Sanchez]

Check this for example. Me the other day wearing black trousers and a flecktarn smock+cap.
Thats blending fairly well and the trousers are solid black for christs sake!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/DemonofRazgriz/5331_124335171340_731141340_3576557.jpg

You wouldn't happen to be sneaking up on some helicopters there, would you?

[Leaper]

Georgian military school + DPM? Am I getting this right?

[Eagle The Lightning]

Don't fix something that's not broken.
http://i31.tinypic.com/qrenv6.jpg

[cbass]

Riverside Military Academy in Georgia, USA.

[Eagle The Lightning]

Riverside Military Academy in Georgia, USA.
Well done you can use google.

[Arfah]

2. Military school doesn't make you a military expert.

3. The U.S. doesn't have a Parachute Regiment.

...yeah, im British..read the message before you try acting smart mate. Secondly when did i state that im a military expert i merley stated that when i attended military school in the states its what we used to wear. Get the facts straight, youre making a muppet of yourself arfah.

You mentioned that 'You grew up in the U.S.' but you haven't finished growing up yet so it is an easy mistake to assume that you are still in Georgia. :roll: Particulary as you fail to use correct English grammar. Maybe you could throw the occassional apostrophe or comma in your sentences ? Use a dictionary (Websters will suffice) !
You also stated your "4 years of military school" to qualify your position, therefore, my point about a lack of expertise still stands !

As for Muppets, 'Pigs in Space' was ace !

[Corrupt]

You wouldn't happen to be sneaking up on some helicopters there, would you?

Lol photo is taken from the public footpath. We were bored and decided to see whether someone would spot me lying just off the footpath. 9 people went by and didnt notice haha. Why you ask :P

Is it just me who is amused that Cbass went from a rather American "yall" to the more english "mate"?

[B_706K]

2. Military school doesn't make you a military expert.

3. The U.S. doesn't have a Parachute Regiment.

...yeah, im British..read the message before you try acting smart mate. Secondly when did i state that im a military expert i merley stated that when i attended military school in the states its what we used to wear. Get the facts straight, youre making a muppet of yourself arfah.
Listening to Arfah would be a good idea actually, you may well learn something.:roll: (Like how to type and spell correctly).
Seriously though, ok so it's what you have used up till now, but would it not be better to spend some time using DPM before you write it off as ineffective?
Also have you been paying attention to the news recently? Money is a little hard to come by and swapping the out entire forces wardrobe of perfectly good DPM for something which doesn't show any major advantages would be an expensive waste of money when there are so many other more important things to spend it on..

[cbass]

I completely agree, im still to try the DPM, but i just see australia, canada, u.s all using this new camo, and thought that maybe its something we might follow. Im not on here to argue i just wanted to see what other share on the matter and if maybe we are considering digital. Also we are in the process of changing out kit, so why not do it up in the digital? And yes i do have a mixed accent, its for living with British and and American family, thanks for noting that CORRUPT. lol.

[The Evil Doctor Faustus]

well.........what a great thread............!

[Deathchant]

4. Have you been tampering with your brain's safety catch ?
Oh mate thats good. Now I know how mine got lost.

[Deathchant]

Here you go buy your own one and do some testing. If its good then im sure everyone here will say sorry. Their alright realy they can just seem a bit nasty when you first arrive.

http://flecktarn.co.uk/dpdcs1na.html

[B_706K]

I completely agree, im still to try the DPM, but i just see australia, canada, u.s all using this new camo, and thought that maybe its something we might follow. Im not on here to argue i just wanted to see what other share on the matter and if maybe we are considering digital. Also we are in the process of changing out kit, so why not do it up in the digital? And yes i do have a mixed accent, its for living with British and and American family, thanks for noting that CORRUPT. lol.
How many countries in the world dont use digital though.. Many more than do, and there are probably many who could but choose not to and could afford the change better than the British could right now.

[Eagle The Lightning]

i want digi camo!! why cant we just accept that its better and not try and be different. Because British DPM's work just fine in the desert, so why would the digital DPM's be better?

[Corrupt]

How many countries in the world dont use digital though.. Many more than do, and there are probably many who could but choose not to and could afford the change better than the British could right now.

Equally importantly how many countires use DPM or a variant of :). Its quite popular

[B_706K]

Equally importantly how many countires use DPM or a variant of :). Its quite popular
Very true, should have thought of that!

[Arfah]

Australia uses 'Auscam' or does he mean the Viennese Aussies ?

[big_les]

This thread delivers.

But you can't see what it delivers.

[Corrupt]

Checked quickly...
According to wiki, DPM is used by Algeria, Cambodia, China(Special Forces), Egypt, Hong Kong Police, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Malaysia, Mozambique, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway (Special Forces), Pakistan, The Philippines, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Sierra Leone, Singapore Police, Tanzania, Uganda and of course the UK

and Desert DPM by Iraq, Kuwait, New Zealand, Oman, Romania, Saudi Arabia

[RAFREGT.]

digital camo....tut? why? just because everyone else is? if it aint broke, dont fix it!

M O N G F A C E

[Military-G]

I Think all soldiers should wear those florescent Yellow safety jackets at all times also so they never get hurt.

woot

[Molli]

Bugger you lot and your fancy patterns. Need to go back to the good ol' days: olive for the jungle, khaki for the desert and brown for everywhere else.

[B_706K]

Bugger you lot and your fancy patterns. Need to go back to the good ol' days: olive green for the jungle, khaki for the desert and brown for everywhere else.
Pffft. Bright red. Everywhere.
/Thread

[Connaught Ranger]

2. Military school doesn't make you a military expert.

3. The U.S. doesn't have a Parachute Regiment.

...yeah, im British..read the message before you try acting smart mate. Secondly when did i state that im a military expert i merley stated that when i attended military school in the states its what we used to wear.
Get the facts straight, youre making a muppet of yourself arfah.

Ohhhhhhhh, listen to little plastic G.I. Colonial Joe, :roll:

Pity they did not teach you what the capital letters are used for in English grammar.

Write out and post 1 million times on this thread:-

cbass is a dumb arse.

[sexyhamburger]

Lol you know its summer when...

[Leaper]

...the Paras gets new recruits by the minute

[Flecktarn92]

Bugger you lot and your fancy patterns. Need to go back to the good ol' days: olive for the jungle, khaki for the desert and brown for everywhere else.

yeah Austria knows what there doing. Having solid color uniforms since 79!

[JRT]

The fact that more nations don't use digital camo is not a testimony that digital camo is less effective.

The issue on camouflage on uniforms is simply a matter of science, and can be tested. For the British, they need to figure out where their soldiers are most likely going to be deployed, take a gazillion of pictures, analyze the colour schemes of that target area during different lighting conditions, make several test uniforms and then have a scientific approach to which is the best camouflage. The fact that some others use Digi camo is not a testimony that it suits better to British either.

I have only been able to do comparisons with the Finnish camo schemes and the current digital camo certainly works better in Finnish terrain than the older camouflages.

[Chimera]

The issue on camouflage on uniforms is simply a matter of science, and can be tested.

Nope, its a matter of money. The US went with the ACU pattern because they had the means to spend money on things that aren't extremely strategic at all. Woodland was perfectly fine, DPM is fine as well and don't need to be changed, CE is also fine. Flektarn is great. The thing is, for an army that has restricted budget, you tend to spend the money where it is needed and honestly, the ratio between the cost of aquisition of a new camo compared with the gain it brings is very ****ing low. As long as the camo is decent in the environment and fits the job, why would anyone bother?

And universal camo is a myth so far.

[click]

Pffft. Bright red. Everywhere.
/Thread

I lol'd hard at this one

[JRT]

Nope, its a matter of money.


I only meant performance-wise. In real life everything is a matter of money, of course.



The US went with the ACU pattern because they had the means to spend money on things that aren't extremely strategic at all. Woodland was perfectly fine, DPM is fine as well and don't need to be changed, CE is also fine. Flektarn is great. The thing is, for an army that has restricted budget, you tend to spend the money where it is needed and honestly, the ratio between the cost of aquisition of a new camo compared with the gain it brings is very ****ing low. As long as the camo is decent in the environment and fits the job, why would anyone bother?


Yes, a matter of cost-effectiveness. However the debate of a new camo's cost-effectiveness can be had at MPnet only to a certain extent, as we don't really know either the cost nor the effectiveness, there are only more or less educated guesses that can be made, like you just did.



And universal camo is a myth so far.

Indeed so.

[Arfah]

Here's a blast from the past.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=136641&highlight=pecoc

No more need for UK Digiflage

[Flounder]

I am surprised this topic made it to page 4 without anyone saying....



OMFG MULTICAM!!!!!111!!!!!!!

[victor1-1actual]

one word Multicam

[Limeyfellow]

one word Multicam

No, never, not in a million years. No Multicam, for I could not survive the years of the "OMG MULTICAM RULES!" chanting that is bound to happen. That would drive half the world mad and lead to cases of localised massacres of paintball players.

I don't really see the need to change from DPM to a digital pattern. Money in the UK is fairly tight as it is. There are much better things to spend the money on. Unless there is a major advantage and brings a new ability I just don't see why the British military will change anything but as a political stunt dreamed up by some moron MP who wants to seem as a big supporter of the military by suggesting useless ideas.

US military ACU is largely based on two things in my opinion. The US Marines had a digital pattern to separate themselves, and the Army can never stand the Marines having something newer than them. Hence why they typically used to get all the old Army castoffs until the last couple of decades. It makes them look unique and people can easily tell which country they are from. This became especially a problem when dozens of other countries adopted and were sold Woodland and 4 and 3 colour desert camouflage.

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

I bought some U.S. ACU pants/trousers last week at the fairford airshow,
i wore them to work today and my boss said....
..."why have your wore your pyjamas to work you pr!ck...you look like a right C*NT!!"

proof if any that acu does not belong in the UK!!!! lol

[Bisley_Bob]

So, to sum up, the reason we aren't getting digi-cam is because it would be a massive waste of money. There are much more important things to spend the already meagre defence budget on than making our nice smart uniforms look extremely gay.

[Aldo Penniconi]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1046/specialneeds.jpg

[RECON DOC]

Originally Posted by RECON DOC http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4290659#post4290659)
(Tertiary is the word you are looking for).




Nice try ! p-)

Yeah, I was raised Catholic, so unfortunately I do know that word. It was part of the joke, it's called irony. Clean would have gotten it...probably. You guys are mental with all your camo threads.
God damn camo snobs.
Here's a smily face so you know I'm joking. :|

[Bohemoth]

I know you like pretty Belgium camo: :)

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/images/product/main/BELGIUM-OVERHEAD-SMOCK.jpg

[digrar]

I completely agree, im still to try the DPM, but i just see australia, canada, u.s all using this new camo,

Australia (big A) doesn't use digital cam.


Yeah, I was raised Catholic, so unfortunately I do know that word. It was part of the joke, it's called irony. Clean would have gotten it...probably. You guys are mental with all your camo threads.
God damn camo snobs.
Here's a smily face so you know I'm joking. :|

I got it, Yanks telling jokes that Poms don't pick up... Is it upside down and back to front day or something? :|

[Arfah]

Australia (gig A) doesn't use digital cam.



I got it, Yanks telling jokes that Poms don't pick up... Is it upside down and back to front day or something? :|

I didn't see any irony ?

I did have my 'Wah' filter set to maximum though :)

[Havana]

Pffft. Bright red. Everywhere.
/Thread

nice burn B_706k! hahaha

[RECON DOC]

Australia (gig A) doesn't use digital cam.



I got it, Yanks telling jokes that Poms don't pick up... Is it upside down and back to front day or something? :|

Hiya digrar, long timey no talky. What's the deal with these guys? I get Brit humor, what's so tough about seppo humor? :|

[rrossouw]

The pixelated look is not strictly neccessary. Think Flecktarn and Finnish M05.

There are 3 key aspects to good camouflage:
Colour matching to the environment.
Brightness, Hue and distribution of colours.
Texture Matching to the environment.
Multiscale elements - a tree at a distance doesn't look like a leaf on the tree.
Symmetry axis disruption of the shape.

Good old DPM covers all 3 reasonably well.

Enough said until chameleon camo becomes available.

[Movieman]

I've always liked our cammies. Cheap, durable, and comfy, you can't go wrong for roughly $65 for brand new set with plus name tapes. And the patterns work.

[Lazy Lob]

Ministry of Defence in talks with Burberry Group.

Burberry Group plc is a British luxury fashion house, manufacturing clothing and fashion accessories. Its distinctive tartan pattern has become one of its most widely copied trademarks. The company has branded stores and franchises around the world, and also sells through concessions in third-party stores. In a brief statement yesterday its R&D department confirmed interest shown by the M.O.D. in its new tartan digital pattern.

Originally designed for the urban youth of Essex this new pattern has attracted the attention of various sectors of the British SOF. The M.O.D. have declined to either deny or confirm the news. But this new experimental digital tartan macro pattern has been evaluated and shown distinct and effective mimicry.

No pictures of Digichav pattern are currently available.

[digrar]

Hiya digrar, long timey no talky. What's the deal with these guys? I get Brit humor, what's so tough about seppo humor? :|

The net must be a bit funky today.

[AroundTheCorner]

DPM = One of the sexiest camos out there.

Why going over to the digital crap. Because one military adopted it , doesn't mean the rest has to follow.

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

Ministry of Defence in talks with Burberry Group.

Burberry Group plc is a British luxury fashion house, manufacturing clothing and fashion accessories. Its distinctive tartan pattern has become one of its most widely copied trademarks. The company has branded stores and franchises around the world, and also sells through concessions in third-party stores. In a brief statement yesterday its R&D department confirmed interest shown by the M.O.D. in its new tartan digital pattern.

Originally designed for the urban youth of Essex this new pattern has attracted the attention of various sectors of the British SOF. The M.O.D. have declined to either deny or confirm the news. But this new experimental digital tartan macro pattern has been evaluated and shown distinct and effective mimicry.

No pictures of Digichav pattern are currently available.


Any more info on this??

was this a joke??

[Lazy Lob]

Any more info on this??

was this a joke??

p-) ..........................................

[RAFREGT.]

I bought some U.S. ACU pants/trousers last week at the fairford airshow,
i wore them to work today and my boss said....
..."why have your wore your pyjamas to work you pr!ck...you look like a right C*NT!!"

proof if any that acu does not belong in the UK!!!! lol


that settles it as far as im concerned! your boss is a wise man!

[RAFREGT.]

Any more info on this??

was this a joke??


wtf? come on......really? :slap:roflroflrofl

[Soldat_Américain]

Australia (big A) doesn't use digital cam.



First, wait a minute...I thought AUSCAM was the first digital pattern to come out.

Also, this thread delivers...I thought they taught better at those military high schools in the US...they're more expensive then a state college.

[digrar]

It did have a fair bit of research put into it, getting the colours right for our AO, but it's not digital, it's very much analog.

[Soldat_Américain]

Intense...I've been under a different impression for the last four years.

[Eagle The Lightning]

In twenty years time when a largely submerged London, Is being attacked by a platoon of Al Qaeda's scuba warriors, will having digital camo make a difference any way?

[Deathchant]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1046/specialneeds.jpg

Ha ha ha. If I was being attacked by that it would win because I would be to busy laughing to actualy do anything. That is quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen on here. That beats people ****ing them selfs in public, the redneck jokes, the failed test papers and even this moron who thinks digital is going to make the world a better place. Its taken me ages to write this because I keep laughing.
Thats it I cant take anymore im going down the pub.

[mcantu]

Australia (big A) doesn't use digital cam.



I got it, Yanks telling jokes that Poms don't pick up... Is it upside down and back to front day or something? :|


AUSCAM was one of the first computer designed camo patterns. MultiCam is also a digitally designed pattern. 'Digital' does not equal 'pixelated.'

[Bisley_Bob]

AUSCAM was one of the first computer designed camo patterns. MultiCam is also a digitally designed pattern. 'Digital' does not equal 'pixelated.'

DPM is computer designed too

[kc135cc]

Airsofter? Seriously... These guys need to find a new Hobby =/.

[3rdMillhouse]

The U.S have taken it on, and many onthers are following. So should Brittania go for the new camouflage? :roll:

Why should they? There's no proven combat benefit provided by this new model of camouflage texture, so far it's only especulation fueled by some conjectures. Besides, why try to improve something that works already marvelously? Ever seen pictures of Brittish military in Iraq and Afghanistan? They blend in perfectly against sandy-desertfied backgrounds, even their jungle camouflage works amazingly well against the native vegetation of insular and continental Europe. So.... NO. It's just a fad, and a temporary one.

[ARGAR FORKBEARD]

Why should they? There's no proven combat benefit provided by this new model of camouflage texture, so far it's only especulation fueled by some conjectures. Besides, why try to improve something that works already marvelously? Ever seen pictures of Brittish military in Iraq and Afghanistan? They blend in perfectly against sandy-desertfied backgrounds, even their jungle camouflage works amazingly well against the native vegetation of insular and continental Europe. So.... NO. It's just a fad, and a temporary one.

I agree totally!!!

[victor1-1actual]

No, never, not in a million years. No Multicam, for I could not survive the years of the "OMG MULTICAM RULES!" chanting that is bound to happen. That would drive half the world mad and lead to cases of localised massacres of paintball players.

I don't really see the need to change from DPM to a digital pattern. Money in the UK is fairly tight as it is. There are much better things to spend the money on. Unless there is a major advantage and brings a new ability I just don't see why the British military will change anything but as a political stunt dreamed up by some moron MP who wants to seem as a big supporter of the military by suggesting useless ideas.

US military ACU is largely based on two things in my opinion. The US Marines had a digital pattern to separate themselves, and the Army can never stand the Marines having something newer than them. Hence why they typically used to get all the old Army castoffs until the last couple of decades. It makes them look unique and people can easily tell which country they are from. This became especially a problem when dozens of other countries adopted and were sold Woodland and 4 and 3 colour desert camouflage.


what does the last paragraph have to do with multicam and whats wrong with adopting the best cammo patern in the world?

[badly_packed_kebab]

what does the last paragraph have to do with multicam and whats wrong with adopting the best cammo patern in the world?

Is that a fact, or is that just something thats been hammered into your brain by an Army recruiter? DPM works, simple and if I must say so, the new one being developed for PECOC looks really gucci.

[Limeyfellow]

what does the last paragraph have to do with multicam and whats wrong with adopting the best cammo patern in the world?

Because Multicam is overpriced and doesn't give a measurable improvement to current patterns already in use? Though mostly because I am a bitter old man who had to listen to way too many airsoft players going on about how its the "best cammo patern in the world."

[mcantu]

Why should they? There's no proven combat benefit provided by this new model of camouflage texture, so far it's only especulation fueled by some conjectures. Besides, why try to improve something that works already marvelously? Ever seen pictures of Brittish military in Iraq and Afghanistan? They blend in perfectly against sandy-desertfied backgrounds, even their jungle camouflage works amazingly well against the native vegetation of insular and continental Europe. So.... NO. It's just a fad, and a temporary one.


around the time that CADPAT was first fielded, NATO did some tests to see what camo pattern was most effective. of those available at the time, CADPAT came out ahead by a fairly large margin...

the sole purpose the pixelated effect is to blur the boundary where colors meets so it doesnt appear as a hard edge

[Soldat_Américain]

around the time that CADPAT was first fielded, NATO did some tests to see what camo pattern was most effective. of those available at the time, CADPAT came out ahead by a fairly large margin...

the sole purpose the pixelated effect is to blur the boundary where colors meets so it doesnt appear as a hard edge
That's because NATO research arm...whatever it is I forget had a hand in designing CADPAT.:roll:

what does the last paragraph have to do with multicam and whats wrong with adopting the best cammo patern in the world?

Wow the MultiCam fanboys never die. MultiCam is really good overall...however no camo pattern other than what's on a chameleon is the best.

[JRT]

There's no proven combat benefit provided by this new model of camouflage texture, so far it's only especulation fueled by some conjectures.

Who says there isn't? I do not have access to the test results of the British armed forces, do you?

What would be valuable at least to a certain extent in this discussion is someone who has been on a mission were both US and British forces were present, so we could have "soldier's view" on this.



Besides, why try to improve something that works already marvelously?


For the caveman, the cave worked marvelously. Gladly someone thought it would however be worthwile to develop.

I am not saying the British camo is bad, because I have no test results, no comparisons made, so in essence, no clue (like the rest in here). However comparing it to another pattern based on some JPG pictures in da internetzz is far from the actual truth on which pattern fades the soldier better to the background.

Another thing, in military, it is never wise to say that something has been developed to it's best possible form and developing more is foolish. When you adopt this thinking and your adversary does not, you are already a step behind.

[Stridsvagn]

I fail to see whats up with DPM, works well enough in my (albeit limited) experience. I'd definitely rather wear the temperate and desert DPM than one all encompassing ACU tbh. Why does small digital prints make it better. The splodges are random and of the correct colour...

Check this for example. Me the other day wearing black trousers and a flecktarn smock+cap.
Thats blending fairly well and the trousers are solid black for christs sake!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/DemonofRazgriz/5331_124335171340_731141340_3576557.jpg
That is pretty good camo, I woulden't complain! I own a Dutch DPM set and a German Flecktarn set, The only Digi Cam I would go out of my way to buy is CADPAT. None other.....

[Schad]

Bugger you lot and your fancy patterns. Need to go back to the good ol' days: olive for the jungle, khaki for the desert and brown for everywhere else.

I like the cut of your jib my good fellow - I presume you would feel the SLR is all that is needed to finish off the ensemble?

[Connaught Ranger]

I like the cut of your jib my good fellow - I presume you would feel the SLR is all that is needed to finish off the ensemble?

Why not a .303 ?rofl

[Molli]

I like the cut of your jib my good fellow - I presume you would feel the SLR is all that is needed to finish off the ensemble?
Most definitely - though, as Connaught Ranger has suggested, could we find room for a No. 4 or two? The moustache musn't be forgotten, either! Absolutely vital the moustache.

[Limeyfellow]

As much as a joke it was plain olive drab, khaki and brown can work rather well, especially for countries that are vastly made up of mechanised units and quick responsive teams such as say Israeli soldiers who are happy with a single plain colour. After all if you are busting in from helicopters and apcs I think they enemy has figured out you are already there. It as much depends on your tactics as anything else.

Different methods and tactics require different patterns or negate the advantage of them.

[Stridsvagn]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1046/specialneeds.jpg

LOL! "Fat Bastard" from Goldmember turned to airsofting! Is that a real guy or did someone do some clever photoshopping??? Hilarious anyway!

[ando]

Simple :

If it aint broke why fix it !!


Why spend money on changing something that we could right now spend the money on something else probably for chav houses but thats something else.

[JRT]

Simple :

If it aint broke why fix it !!



My Volkswagen ain't broken. I'd still change it to a Porsche, if possible.

[zapatero]

C'mon guys. Brits already had tested special camo in the 1960's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ&feature=fvw

[Limeyfellow]

My Volkswagen ain't broken. I'd still change it to a Porsche, if possible.

I assuming you don't have one since you can't afford it? I guess you could always sell the house and everything you own to buy one and then loose it after being unable to pay the bills. The British Government has the same problems. Lack of capital and what they do have is needed in many other more useful areas.

[Eztyga]

It did have a fair bit of research put into it, getting the colours right for our AO, but it's not digital, it's very much analog.

The CSIRO used a computer to design AUSCAM, I don't know if the pattern was designed by the computer, but the colours were certainly a result of digital analysis.
I remember seeing a segment on the ABC news about it, they used a white panel to act as a contrast to the native flora.

[3rdMillhouse]

My Volkswagen ain't broken. I'd still change it to a Porsche, if possible.

Yeah, but given that analogy, that would be like switching from the brittish DPM uniform to an exoeskelleton powered armor composed of artificial muscular fibers, those fibers made of carbon nanotubes.

[Wahnsinn]

C'mon guys. Brits already had tested special camo in the 1960's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ&feature=fvw

0:47 made me laugh way too much. :slap:

The money could be spent on more important things like some Helicopters maybe. Or **** for MPs.

[JRT]

Yeah, but given that analogy, that would be like switching from the brittish DPM uniform to an exoeskelleton powered armor composed of artificial muscular fibers, those fibers made of carbon nanotubes.

You've just insulted my Volkswagen p-)

[Canucklehead2]

On behalf of all Canadians were are very sorry for subjecting the worlds forces to this digital fashion mistake. We really didn't think you all would want to show up in the same outfit at the big party. It was all done on a lark we thought it would look cool and make us stand out now everyone is running around in it. Its going to take years for us to come up with a new camo now. I guess we will have to go back to that dull green again.

[PathFindeR[BE]]

I know you like pretty Belgium camo: :)

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/images/product/main/BELGIUM-OVERHEAD-SMOCK.jpg
Belgian camo :bow:

[Eoin666]

0:47 made me laugh way too much. :slap:

The money could be spent on more important things like some Helicopters maybe. Or **** for MPs.

Mrs BJ Smegma :)

[alexishere2007]

DPM does not have to resort to Digi because of it's stroke patterns. The Army and Marines switched to Digi because the blotch shapes of woodland camo stood out.

[Aldo Penniconi]

AUSCAM was one of the first computer designed camo patterns.

It is also said by many to be a descendant of the camo the USMC wore in the pacific during WW2.

[Stridsvagn]

0:47 made me laugh way too much. :slap:

The money could be spent on more important things like some Helicopters maybe. Or **** for MPs.

LOL! Mrs. BJ Smegma!!! HAHA! I giggled too (And I am not the giggling type!)

/Josh

[oldsoak]

Whats wrong with analogue camo ?

[asch]

not trendy. p-)

[valiant]

i hope that Brits will not move to digital pattern

[rafus]

so do I! analogue DPM is great and I wouldn't exchange it for anything

[Verto]

Is there any 64 bit digital camo yet or is it still all 32 bit?

[Muddlers]

My mate at Sandhurst said he will be soon issued with Digital DPM.

[oldsoak]

Gardeners dont get issued DPM. :-P

[Bisley_Bob]

My mate at Sandhurst said he will be soon issued with Digital DPM.

I think that's highly unlikely bearing in mind there has been no press release saying that the British Army is "going digital", and that the new PECOC trials kit is very much analogue.

[Muddlers]

I think that's highly unlikely bearing in mind there has been no press release saying that the British Army is "going digital", and that the new PECOC trials kit is very much analogue.

That's what I was thinking, he also said he's had his hands on a new body armour composed of D3O which is this gel that goes hard once struck with force.
Think it is a mix between this gel and lighter plates.

[oldsoak]

Tell him to stop walting.
That sh*t will be issued to blokes in theatre first, not Sandhurstites.

[Red-Phos]

That's what I was thinking, he also said he's had his hands on a new body armour composed of D3O which is this gel that goes hard once struck with force.
Think it is a mix between this gel and lighter plates.
He is talking ****.

[Muddlers]

He is talking ****.

Fair nuff he maybe, even though he's a close friend. For the body armour he hadn't been issued it just got to try it on.
Anyway shall be interesting to see what happens.

[oldsoak]

The current thrust is front line first.
There are, allegedly, two versions of PECOC dpm - one based on current dpm but using different shades and another which apparently is a variant of multi cam. I have not seen the latter, only heard. Its not digital in the sense of pixellated ie little square blobs of colour, but it is digital in that it was designed with the aid of computers. That wont be coming to next year apart from possibly trials - and it wont be coming to Sandhurst in advance of the front line.
D30 is used in bikers leather armour, and it does have application in combat body armour. It was being looked at by Modbods and beyond that I cant say.

[Soldat_Américain]

School boys get the best kit last...so his idea of digi dpm means he is paiting pixels on his gardening gloves.

[LineDoggie]

For Gods sakes I hope if the UK goes to Digital pattern dont fcuk it up like the US Army did, find something that actually works other then while laying down in gravel.

[martinexsquaddie]

I like acu
cheap goretex for mincing about in the woods not to bothered if it gets trashed and unlike DPM nobody complains its too military like:)
Though have been asked thats a weird pattern is it meant to be camoflauge or something :)

classic line from a social worker :)

[Red_Fern]

I sure hope DPM doesn't get thrown into the rubbish bin. It's a great-looking (not to mention functional) pattern. I think it's neat that the Brits have set themselves apart by not adopting digicam, despite many other countries doing so. It will be interesting to see what patterns PECOC comes up with though, and how much they'll vary from what's on issue now.

There's probably some photos already out that I've not seen yet...so pardon my lack of knowledge on preliminary "new DPM" patterns.

[Sarge543]

Not sure on this new PECOC pattern, seen a bit in pics and one helmet cover on a Mk6A in work. Not nice.

Digi DPM? Bleargh!!!!! Viper make it and it am ****e! DPM and DDPM ftw. It works full stop. I have it on good authority that the only place that ACU works is on the gravel track next to the boardwalk in KAF!!!

[kodiak22]

Not sure on this new PECOC pattern, seen a bit in pics and one helmet cover on a Mk6A in work. Not nice.

Digi DPM? Bleargh!!!!! Viper make it and it am ****e! DPM and DDPM ftw. It works full stop. I have it on good authority that the only place that ACU works is on the gravel track next to the boardwalk in KAF!!!


The pics you've seen is probably of Hybrid 6( i think thats what its called), but thats not the DPM they will be using for PECOC, the newest pattern is DPM but Multicam colored, and it hasnt even been printed at all yet. I really cant wait to see how it turns out, though.

[Creampuff]

For Gods sakes I hope if the UK goes to Digital pattern dont fcuk it up like the US Army did, find something that actually works other then while laying down in gravel.

They could just digitize dpm, great pattern, then NZ would follow suit. Cool.

[futurepilot2004]

^^^exactly, its a great pattern.... no need to mess it up by digitizing it.

[Sabre]

They could just digitize dpm, great pattern, then NZ would follow suit. Cool.

Why?

If the pattern is ok, what does making little squared edges on it acheive?

As for the hybrid cam, they should use DPM pattern with the old denison smock colours or rhodesian colours, ie tan base, brown and green splotches, without the black. It'll work in both temperate and arid environs.

[Red_Fern]

Why?

If the pattern is ok, what does making little squared edges on it acheive?

As for the hybrid cam, they should use DPM pattern with the old denison smock colours or rhodesian colours, ie tan base, brown and green splotches, without the black. It'll work in both temperate and arid environs.

Hadn't thought of it like that before...that'd be a good idea, actually.

[DeltaSI]

I can just see the face of the ACSM at Sandbags if some Ocdt rocks up in digicam :D

[oldsoak]

- red followed by purple followed by a vast torrent of noise aimed at the wearers legitimacy ? :lol:

[Creampuff]

Why?

If the pattern is ok, what does making little squared edges on it acheive?


Just an observation, after watching the Ross Kemp doco. In built up areas a blocked/digitized version of desert DPM would be more suited in that environs. Possibly even out in the desert, was thinking of an improvement rather then change for the sake of, but still maintaining the original shapes and overall pattern, just digitized.

[Royal]

Just an observation, after watching the Ross Kemp doco. In built up areas a blocked/digitized version of desert DPM would be more suited in that environs. Possibly even out in the desert, was thinking of an improvement rather then change for the sake of, but still maintaining the original shapes and overall pattern, just digitized.

What??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After watching a TV documentry you know know the pros and cons and cam and concealment?

Piss off back under which ever rock you crawled out from under and confine your posts to something you have a clue about.

[Creampuff]

Nah just an opinion excuse the fart. Will do.

[Sabre]

I would think that after watching the Ross Kemp doco, the most obvious form of cam would be a pattern based on large arse shapes with sweat patches...after all, that's all you see!

[DeltaSI]

- red followed by purple followed by a vast torrent of noise aimed at the wearers legitimacy ? :lol:

Nah, probably worse than a normal day :-P

Imagine what it was like when CS95 was introduced, he would have thought it an affornt on all dress regs ever..