Dalai Lama – honorary citizen of Warsaw

[hulaku]

The Dalai Lama may not be officially welcome in his own homeland of Tibet, but Poland can’t get enough of the exiled spiritual leader.

The Dalai Lama is making his second visit in eight months to Poland, this time to receive honorary citizenship of Warsaw.

The ceremony will take place at Warsaw's Royal Castle on 29 July. The Dalai Lama will also give a lecture at Warsaw University and open a traditional Tibetan herbal health clinic in the capital.

“The Polish people’s respect for His Holiness the Dalai Lama and sympathy for the just Tibetan cause is overwhelming,” said the Dalai Lama's representative Tsering Tash.

Poland's support for the Dalai Lamai during his European tour last December, caused problems with China, which protested against Warsaw’s staunch support for the Tibetan freedom movement and cancelled a Sino-EU summit.



http://www.euranet.eu/index.php/eng/Today/News/English-News/Dalai-Lama-honorary-citizen-of-Warsaw

[Holycrusader]

As a Warsaw citizen I do not care...

[foXxx]

Is it me or Poland loves pissing big powers off, first Russia and now China.

[Holycrusader]

Is it me or Poland loves pissing big powers off, first Russia and now China.

Its because of our history. We were occupied by 3 big powers for almost 200 yrs... And all that after being big powers in the past.
That change our mentality to victim mentality...

[foXxx]

We were occupied by 3 big powers for almost 200 yrs....

Looking for a 4th?

I am sorry but i have no idea what Polish government is trying to do, pissing Russia off while you're getting most of your natural resources from them doesn't make much sense to me. What about China? Why would you get into that fight between China and Tibet? I don't get it.

I can't say i am familiar with Polish politics but to me it looks like it's another U.S. installed puppet government like it is in Ukraine, Poland is just going to end up getting hurt....

[Holycrusader]

Looking for a 4th?

I am sorry but i have no idea what Polish government is trying to do, pissing Russia off while you're getting most of your natural resources from them doesn't make much sense to me. What about China? Why would you get into that fight between China and Tibet? I don't get it.

I can't say i am familiar with Polish politics but to me it looks like it's another U.S. installed puppet government like it is in Ukraine, Poland is just going to end up getting hurt....

We do not have colour revolution so our gov is not "another U.S. installed puppet government". Its more like some of our politicians believe in America and are eurosceptic. They early life was oppostions against communism so no wonder that thhey still fight against them even when its against national interest... THey do nnot notice that world has changed (like many members of mp.net)...

In few words they are stupid not pragmatic...

[~~~~]

In few words they are stupid not pragmatic...

so who exactly is stupid, mr Smartass?

is Dalai Lama also stupid to oppose the chinese regime? that's soooo unpragmatic... whata looser he must be then (?)
is it what you wanted to say?

[Holycrusader]

who's stupid?

Some politician responsible for stupid decisions...

[LineDoggie]

Looking for a 4th?

I am sorry but i have no idea what Polish government is trying to do, pissing Russia off while you're getting most of your natural resources from them doesn't make much sense to me. What about China? Why would you get into that fight between China and Tibet? I don't get it.

I can't say i am familiar with Polish politics but to me it looks like it's another U.S. installed puppet government like it is in Ukraine, Poland is just going to end up getting hurt....

US Installed Puppet Government? What have you been smoking?

[sepheronx]

US Installed Puppet Government? What have you been smoking?

He has been smoking Ukraine and Georiga.

[shadowsrider]

Simply Wasaw city hall is out of mind. First they named a big street crossing Johhar Dudayev name and now Dalay Lama.
Anyway Poland is a strategic country for China in Europe in terms of investment: telecommunications, development so they will ignore.

[lag]

well, i believe i posted this eleswhere on mp.net today, but: good for him :)

[Holycrusader]

so who exactly is stupid, mr Smartass?

is Dalai Lama also stupid to oppose the chinese regime? that's soooo unpragmatic... whata looser he must be then (?)
is it what you wanted to say?

Where is my ignore button...

[~~~~]

Where is my ignore button...

in your mouth. together with your foot.

[HorrigEn]

I say its a cool gesture.
anything that could piss of commies :)

[LineDoggie]

He has been smoking Ukraine and Georiga.
Right the US installed them. Nice **** your smoking too bud. When you come down and need a fix, reexamine the US installing Saaka or Yushchenko.

And it's Georgia, not Georiga

[Henry's Fork]

I say its a cool gesture.
anything that could piss of commies :)

QFT.

Besides that one old monk has done more for world peace in his own lifetime than China has in its ZOMG 2000 years!

Why all the hating?

[Ordie]

Is it me or Poland loves pissing big powers off, first Russia and now China.

Read Polish history and you'll understand why they are giving honors to the Dalai Lama.

Like Tibet, Poland was a vassal state for many competing powers and resisted.

Like Tibet, Poland also had a global religious leader with Pope John Paul II who stood up against Communist oppression.

Like Tibet, Poland also has a Nobel Peace lauriate with Lech Walesa who also stood up against Communist oppression.

[Bugaboo]

Giving honorary citizenship is a traditional form of appretiation of person's actions. What is the problem? China will always find something to brag about.

[Switek]

Read Polish history and you'll understand why they are giving honors to the Dalai Lama.

Like Tibet, Poland was a vassal state for many competing powers and resisted.

Like Tibet, Poland also had a global religious leader with Pope John Paul II who stood up against Communist oppression.

Like Tibet, Poland also has a Nobel Peace lauriate with Lech Walesa who also stood up against Communist oppression.

Good remark what explains exactly:


“The Polish people’s respect for His Holiness the Dalai Lama and sympathy for the just Tibetan cause is overwhelming,” said the Dalai Lama's representative Tsering Tash.

Dalai Lama could be a Polish national hero as well.
Well done Warsaw!

[liyi5598]

Its because of our history. We were occupied by 3 big powers for almost 200 yrs... And all that after being big powers in the past.
That change our mentality to victim mentality...

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.

[shadowsrider]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.

:cantbeli:

[Holycrusader]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.

I like you too :)

Reported

[dies irae]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.
Don't be hating:hug:












Or I don't buy another pair of yours cheap ****ty chinese sneakers, hahah <demonic giggle>...

[shadowsrider]

Paradoxally China treats Poland as strategic partner in EU.. so they will never drop the market here.
Why?
Lots of chinese companies treat Poland as growing country with lots of investments and developments.
Developer companies offer bargain prices just to get here.
Telecommunications giant: Huawei is sponsoring telco operators: Play, Centernet, Sferia. They are expecting revenue in following years. Poland is good country to enter European market while well developed Western Europe countries don't have so much do build and to earn.

[Umbro2914]

so now its bad to honor good people because that act might upset a bad county?
If this logic was used in the past, many many many notable people would have recieved no recognition for their actions.

[tyovan]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.

Omega7 material??

[Aeroflot]

Them Chinese is nice peeple.

[matthew.manhorn]

Its because of our history. We were occupied by 3 big powers for almost 200 yrs... And all that after being big powers in the past.
That change our mentality to victim mentality...

Right, the Poles invaded Moscow and the rest of Eastern Europe centuries ago and yet they like to play the victim card?

[Switek]

Right, the Poles invaded Moscow and the rest of Eastern Europe centuries ago and yet they like to play the victim card?
:cantbeli:

In fact, Poles- more accurate their ancestors - Slave tribes, invaded middle Europe pushing Germanic tribes into the west... We all are invaders, you'd better to know those facts. rofl

As for Poland' partitions - we still are affected by the fact of unbalanced development in 19th century, when three occupied power differed in their policies toward Polish land.

Learn history harder before you post again something stupid...

[Flamming_Python]

So I take it that next time Poland is occupied, it would be divided between Russia and China? :)

[Switek]

So I take it that next time Poland is occupied, it would be divided between Russia and China? :)
Who knows how the "Long March 2" will end... p-)

[d'artagnan]

As for Poland' partitions - we still are affected by the fact of unbalanced development in 19th century, when three occupied power differed in their policies toward Polish land.

As if that didn't happen to us chinese. But... we are just too chilled to care about things happening that's beyond our control given that it does not affect out national interests. Something Bismarck called Realpolitik.

Good to hear that Poland isn't suffering as much as other part of eastern europe, otherwise i would really tell people to give a damn about your bank savings and mortgage before concerning about iranians, tibetans whatever.

And that doesn't make me a communist, rather a Bismarkianist who won't put ideals before one's nation's REAL interests, ie those who lived in Prussia which is partly Poland atm.

[Switek]

Bismarck is your idol and pattern to follow? Nice... but you should remember that united Germany and Prussian domination led Germany to WW1

The sad thing is that Bismarck policy eventually failed and 19th century policy will not work in 21st... esp toward ethnic minorities. We Poles head a hard time then by Germany were a country which respected imposed laws what made possible development of many social, cultural and economical development in occupied Greater Poland and Pomerania. Bismarck policy made us more united, stronger and politically efficient because some Poles actively participated in German political life. Even iron chancelor had to obey civil laws... In this sense comparing 19th century Germany and 21st China is pointless. Germany then, was much advanced and developed politically than modern China.

Good luck then!

rofl

[shadowsrider]

Right, the Poles invaded Moscow and the rest of Eastern Europe centuries ago and yet they like to play the victim card?

Jesus... Are you Russia Strong team member? Always this argument is brought up that Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Ribbentrop-Molotov pact but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Partitions of Poland but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Katyn and deportations but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century.

[Flamming_Python]

Bismarck is your idol and pattern to follow? Nice... but you should remember that united Germany and Prussian domination led Germany to WW1

The sad thing is that Bismarck policy eventually failed and 19th century policy will not work in 21st... esp toward ethnic minorities. We Poles head a hard time then by Germany were a country which respected imposed laws what made possible development of many social, cultural and economical development in occupied Greater Poland and Pomerania. Bismarck policy made us more united, stronger and politically efficient because some Poles actively participated in German political life. Even iron chancelor had to obey civil laws... In this sense comparing 19th century Germany and 21st China is pointless. Germany then, was much advanced and developed politically than modern China.

Good luck then!

rofl

That same Germany was also far more miltiaristic and aggressive than modern China. Although at that time one could hardly blame Germany; Britain and France controlled the world economy, and Germany just wanted a piece of it.

[Toolhead]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.



HAHAHAH I knew their had to be at least one of you butt hurt fools in this thread so entertaining.

[shadowsrider]

That same Germany was also far more miltiaristic and aggressive than modern China. Although at that time one could hardly blame Germany; Britain and France controlled the world economy, and Germany just wanted a piece of it.

BTW it is interesting how German economy resembled nowadays China's. They were starting with cheap crappy products and some British journalists were complaining: today you cannot find even a cheap pencil not produced in Germany. It was end of XIX century.

[Switek]

That same Germany was also far more miltiaristic and aggressive than modern China. Although at that time one could hardly blame Germany; Britain and France controlled the world economy, and Germany just wanted a piece of it.

But the status of individuals, citizens was much better then because it was a time when new modern law order was created and even central governments had bounded hands.

In this sense Bismarck could not stop development of Polish (private) social, cultural and economic initiatives, institutions because could not broke bounded laws... Poles were elected to Prussian parliament as well.

[matthew.manhorn]

Jesus... Are you Russia Strong team member? Always this argument is brought up that Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Ribbentrop-Molotov pact but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Partitions of Poland but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century. Katyn and deportations but Poland invaded Moscow in XVII century.

I'm Chinese by race, but I think Poland resembles China more than that of Tibet:

-Both were once the strongest powers within their region and invaded many of their neighbors.
-Both got invaded by foreign nations countless times during the 19th-20th century
-Both like the play the victim card

[Nobi]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.

I agree that Poland should not intefering into other nations inner matters, but you should show more respect to nations which archived more nobel prices than China, specific our nation is much smaller than your country (per capita). And many countries have a great benefit from what Poland had found out.

[Stormz_STA]

you should show more respect to nations which archived more nobel prices than China, specific our nation is much smaller than your country (per capita). And many countries have a great benefit from what Poland had found out.

Now that's a funny post. Go brag somewhere else.

[Nobi]

Now that's a funny post. Go brag somewhere else.

What is funny for you?

[Stormz_STA]

What is funny for you?

You try to tell those chinese posters to respect Poland because Poland has more Nobel Prize winners and because of what Poles achieved in science, right?

[Nobi]

You try to tell those chinese posters to respect Poland because Poland has more Nobel Prize winners and becuse of what Poles achieved in science, right?


LOL yes...

[Stormz_STA]

LOL yes...

So basically what you're saying is they should respet the Poles because they are so great, so ingenious. That just bragging and can't be used in a discussion such as this.

[Nobi]

Poles because they are so great, so ingenious.

Who said here that poles are so great and so ingenious?

[Switek]

Who said here that poles are so great and so ingenious?


You made such suggestion...

[Nobi]

You made such suggestion...

Where did i that?

[Switek]

Where did i that?



I agree that Poland should not intefering into other nations inner matters, but you should show more respect to nations which archived more nobel prices than China, specific our nation is much smaller than your country (per capita). And many countries have a great benefit from what Poland had found out.

StormzSTA's remark is IMHO valid thus...

[Nobi]

StormzSTA's remark is IMHO valid thus...


No no no this was StormzSTA's rendition.

My claim was "but you should show more respect to nations which archived more nobel prices than China"

This makes a big difference to what StormzSTA's wrote. I never claimed poles are are so great and so ingenious. This was a fiction from StormzSTA.

[Switek]

No no no this was StormzSTA's rendition.

My claim was "but you should show more respect to nations which archived more nobel prices than China"

This makes a big difference to what StormzSTA's wrote. I never claimed poles are are so great and so ingenious. This was a fiction from StormzSTA.

You did. By coincidence StormzSTA's interpretation is entitled.

[Nobi]

You did. By coincidence StormzSTA's interpretation is entitled.


Emmm what lol ???

[Nobi]

You did. By coincidence StormzSTA's interpretation is entitled.

Your avatar is quite funny, are you sure that you are from Poland and not from middle east?

[Stormz_STA]

Your avatar is quite funny, are you sure that you are from Poland and not from middle east?

And are you sure you're not from Nazi Germany?

[Nobi]

And are you sure you're not from Nazi Germany?


Simple shut the **** up and go away from Poland, go back in your desert. :)

[Stormz_STA]

Simple shut the **** up and go away from Poland, go back in your desert. :)

My desert? And where would that be?

[d'artagnan]

Bismarck is your idol and pattern to follow? Nice... but you should remember that united Germany and Prussian domination led Germany to WW1

The sad thing is that Bismarck policy eventually failed and 19th century policy will not work in 21st... esp toward ethnic minorities. We Poles head a hard time then by Germany were a country which respected imposed laws what made possible development of many social, cultural and economical development in occupied Greater Poland and Pomerania. Bismarck policy made us more united, stronger and politically efficient because some Poles actively participated in German political life. Even iron chancelor had to obey civil laws... In this sense comparing 19th century Germany and 21st China is pointless. Germany then, was much advanced and developed politically than modern China.

Good luck then!

rofl

I am suggesting his policy of political realism, ie as long as it doesn't go against our national interests, whatever happens doesn't really matter to us. Again: Ideology vs Interests. I won't be bothered even to get to know any ****ty so called movement etc that does not matter to china's national interests.

[Nobi]

My desert? And where would that be?

Maybe Israel?

[Stormz_STA]

Maybe Israel?

And why do you think I should go to Israel?

[Nobi]

[QUOTE=Nobi;4306572]Maybe Israel? It would be wonderfull if no more persons from Israel come to Poland like in the last time.

[Stormz_STA]

[QUOTE=Nobi;4306572]Maybe Israel? It would be wonderfull if no more persons from Israel come to Poland like in the last time.

Last time? And when was that? And why would it be good if noone came from Israel to Poland?
Again, why do you think I should go to Israel?

[Nobi]

And why do you think I should go to Israel?

You are a ethnic pole? I don't belive it.

[Nobi]

[QUOTE=Nobi;4306582]

Last time? And when was that? And why would it be good if noone came from Israel to Poland?
Again, why do you think I should go to Israel?


Last time what???? hehe.

[Stormz_STA]

You are a ethnic pole? I don't belive it.

And who do you think I am?

[Super Sheep]

Cool, you can keep him!

lol.

[Nobi]

And who do you think I am?

To be clear a big no. Hope no one from here.

[Stormz_STA]

To be clear a big no.

You're not making any sense. I guess your english is not good enough to continue this discussion.

[Nobi]

[QUOTE=Nobi;4306582]

And why would it be good if noone came from Israel to Poland?

Maybe because we don't like your stinking greedy faces here lol? Is this clear enough muhaha?

[Stormz_STA]

Are you refering to Jews?

[Nobi]

Are tou refering to Jews?

Yes i refer to them. Way to much here in our country last time.

[Stormz_STA]

Yes i refer to them. Way to much here in our country last time.


Edit: That was a quick banning, Mods ;)

[Switek]

I am suggesting his policy of political realism, ie as long as it doesn't go against our national interests, whatever happens doesn't really matter to us. Again: Ideology vs Interests. I won't be bothered even to get to know any ****ty so called movement etc that does not matter to china's national interests.


Be so kind and define me what is Chinese national interests... I see a basic contradiction between China (as multinational, multicultural with many races and religions) as a state interest and narrow nationalistic interest represented by Chinese Han majority...

And one thing more... a "political realism" is often something different when we consider short term perspective (10-20 years) and long one (50+)

Look how modern Germany adopt political realism nowadays, what is completely contradiction of Bismarck policies.

[tusiki]

I really think your poor rubbishes deserve to be occupied for ever.
:oops:

Calm down, mate. Could you see clearly what Poles said before you post your comment?

I'm sorry to Poles here.

[Switek]

...

I'm sorry for Poles here.


Could you elaborate, please...?

[tusiki]

Could you elaborate, please...?
Edited. :roll:

[Switek]

Edited. :roll:

OK understood! :)
It's fine.

[shadowsrider]

LOL I lost some fun in this thread.