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Lazy Lob
07-28-2009, 06:31 AM
MPs cut soldiers' compensation payouts and award themselves stealth and unaccountable increases.

Next the NHS.



MPs ignore public anger and give themselves £9,000 expenses deal by stealth

MPs have ignored public anger over the expenses system by quietly introducing new rules which allow them to claim up to £9,125 a year without producing any receipts.


By Holly Watt and Robert Winnett

Published: 9:49PM BST 27 Jul 2009

Alan Duncan, Harriet Harman and Nick Harvey: MPs give themselves £9,000 expenses deal by stealth
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The Daily Telegraph can disclose that MPs have devised a new scheme allowing them to claim a £25-a-night “subsistence” allowance when staying away from their designated main home.

The controversial payments for MPs have been approved despite widespread outrage at unjustified expense claims following the disclosures made by this newspaper.

The allowance, which is almost double the previous £4,800-a-year limit for unreceipted claims, is paid on top of expenses for mortgage interest, rent, council tax and utility bills.

It has been approved without any public announcement or debate in Parliament as MPs leave for their summer holidays. Instead it has been agreed by a small committee of MPs chaired by John Bercow, the new Speaker, and including Harriet Harman, the Labour Leader of the House and Alan Duncan, the Tory frontbencher.

In the wake of the expenses scandal, Gordon Brown and David Cameron both pledged to clean up the system of parliamentary expenses. Mr Bercow had campaigned to replace Michael Martin by promising reform and Miss Harman and Mr Duncan had both said that expense claims which were not backed up by receipts would be unacceptable.

However, the new rules state that “no receipts are necessary” for the subsistence payments and that it is “for members to decide” how the money is spent.

MPs will simply have to state how many nights they have spent away from their main home “on parliamentary business” to receive the flat-rate sum. There is no way for the information to be independently verified.

The Daily Telegraph has highlighted cases of MPs who spend almost no time at their designated main home and who would therefore be eligible to claim thousands of pounds a year. Previously, MPs could claim up to £400 a month without receipts for “food” when away from their main home.

Under the new system they could theoretically claim £775 if they said that they had stayed away from their main home for an entire month.

An MP who stayed away from their designated main home for an entire year — as Ann and Alan Keen, the married Labour MPs did — could claim £9,125 a year on top of mortgage interest payments under the new system.

The subsistence payments are disclosed in the new parliamentary Green Book – which sets out expense rules – issued to MPs on July 13.

The Green Book is usually revised only every few years, although a special edition has been produced following the expenses scandal. However, no announcement was made that a new Green Book was being produced.

At the height of the expenses scandal, high-profile announcements were made by Parliament on the scrapping of expense claims for furnishings and renovations, along with a cap on the amount of mortgage interest that could be claimed. But the subsistence payments were not publicly discussed. Instead they are included in the new Green Book, a copy of which was discreetly placed on the parliamentary website as MPs left for their 82-day summer break.

The fact that such a substantial amount has been agreed by MPs without public debate is certain to anger voters further.

The introduction of the new Green Book is one of Mr Bercow’s first acts as Speaker, and may undermine his claims to be reforming Parliament.

Changes to the House of Commons regulations are decided upon by a small committee of six MPs including Miss Harman and Mr Duncan. Both MPs have publicly stated that it is unacceptable for expense claims to be paid without receipts. Miss Harman said in the spring: “There would need to be receipts for all claims. I really do think that that is something sensible which we could decide for ourselves now.”

Mr Duncan previously said: “The second home allowance was often just paid once a month without receipts, which is an unacceptable system in the modern age.”

The subsistence payments are likely to raise concerns that MPs are seeking to limit public exposure of how they spend their allowances.

Under Freedom of Information laws, MPs have to publish receipts accompanying expense claims. These receipts — exposed by The Daily Telegraph in recent months — disclosed that MPs were claiming for everything from moat clearance and duck houses to dog food and chocolates.

However under the new system, how they spend the money will not be subject to public scrutiny. The new rules, sent to MPs, state: “Members... may claim a flat-rate sum of £25 for subsistence. No receipts are necessary for this claim to be made. How members spend the subsistence allowance is for them to decide.”

The maximum that MPs can claim for second home costs this year is £24,222, compared to £24,006 they were able to claim under the second homes allowance last year.

The House of Commons, Miss Harman and the Tories declined to comment.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5920660/MPs-ignore-public-anger-and-give-themselves-9000-expenses-deal-by-stealth.html

Tokamak
07-28-2009, 12:46 PM
This only shows the type of politicians we have. Disgusting.

philb83
07-28-2009, 12:50 PM
Perhaps its time to listen to that poll in The Independent bring our troops home, and put them to work sorting something else out.. p-)

SpankyMcCollins
07-28-2009, 12:57 PM
Perhaps its time to listen to that poll in The Independent bring our troops home, and put them to work sorting something else out.. p-)

Sick of all these robbing MP's, do they not get prosecuted ?! :bash:

And, Philb83, one can dream... one can dream.

MrScruff
07-28-2009, 01:11 PM
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timetraveller
07-28-2009, 01:52 PM
MP's already earn enough they do not need expenses ...


They are on par with drug addicts that plight our society and with the current financial situation as usuall that thieving manky mob look out for themselves first and nelgect those that put em there ..

It's time for Parliment to be dissolved because those that claim to represent Democracy are liars , cheats and have no honour and don't know it's meaning ..and assume they are above the law well they shouldn't be

What's the fking point of those arseholes make comments about bringing democracy to Iraq and Astan by proclaiming to give them a better way of life when those same people are scamming the system what kind of image for that really represent

Blackcatnursery
07-28-2009, 02:05 PM
I thought it was a joke this morning when I read this and why is it not the number on headline on the news.
Its sick on the same day as the MOD are at the High Court trying to cut awards to injured personnel. The High Court should throw the appeal out by the MOD and double the awards.
The sooner this bunch are gone the better they have brought the country to it knees.

Lazy Lob
07-28-2009, 03:49 PM
Our fvkin country needs a reboot, at least in parliament. Political "movers n shakers" are just scum with no ability to do anything else.

Derbedeu
07-28-2009, 04:05 PM
Is this expense problem endemic to Labour, or does it stretch across party lines?

cbreedon
07-28-2009, 06:40 PM
It's the same on this side of the pond as well.... not sure what the answer is. Both parties here and it sounds like the major parties their have no interest in their constituents, just their own bloody nests.:fork:

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-29-2009, 02:50 AM
I thought it was a joke this morning when I read this and why is it not the number on headline on the news.
Its sick on the same day as the MOD are at the High Court trying to cut awards to injured personnel. The High Court should throw the appeal out by the MOD and double the awards.
The sooner this bunch are gone the better they have brought the country to it knees.While I do agree that Labour are a bunch of funts what party do reckon will set the UK back on the straight and narrow.

Blackcatnursery
07-29-2009, 06:25 AM
While I do agree that Labour are a bunch of funts what party do reckon will set the UK back on the straight and narrow.
You need a party that addresses the real issues. Starting with immigration, the economy, the unemployed/and workshy, crime, NHS, EU, Police, tax, job creation, wealth creation.
There is presently no party that will do anything about any of these issues as they have an army of people behind them that advise on self interest.
What we do need is some real liberal (with a small l, not the bunch of idiots with a big L) politicians who are interested in the country and not just in self service and greed.
If I ever win the Euro lottery I will be setting up a Great Britain party, there will be no foreign aid to start with until we have paid our bills. Convicts will be in orange jump suits chained together cleaning the sides of the motorway. Human Rights act will be revised to read UK passport holders only.
Fund the army properly. Quango's would be disbanded and brought back under control. Root and branch review of everything the Government do and interfere in.
I suspect it will take something very big to happen to change the downward spiral we are on.

observer1
07-29-2009, 07:06 AM
The entire British government is rife with corruption like this.

Trying to sugar coat with bureaucracy seems to be enough for most of the stupid population in Britain though.

Can't believe their still getting away with this