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CG51
07-28-2009, 10:18 PM
(CNN) -- With their budgets teetering on bankruptcy, states are digging deep to find creative ways to ease their financial woes.Although fiscal year 2009 was grim for states, observers predict that 2010 will be even worse.

"The numbers that states are looking at in terms of their shortfalls is truly staggering. And all of this is happening in an environment where raising taxes is still pretty toxic, and it's pretty explosive," said Sujit CanagaRetna, a senior fiscal analyst for the Council of State Governments.

Instead of raising taxes, states are putting taxes and fees on specific items and services as they try to decrease their budget gaps.

"You see this blizzard of fees popping up all over the country and in very unusual places," CanagaRetna said.

One of the more controversial ideas is to legalize the sale of marijuana (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Marijuana), as proposed in a bill introduced in California's state legislature by Democratic State Assemblyman Tom Ammiano this year. The bill proposed taxing pot by $50 per ounce. If legalized, marijuana could become California's No. 1 cash crop, bringing in an estimated $1 billion a year in state taxes.

The bill was shelved this session, but a revised version will probably be reintroduced.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/map.gif See budget woes, state-by-state » (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html#cnnSTCOther1)

Last week, Oakland became the first U.S. city to tax proceeds on medical marijuana. Other California cities have discussed a similar tax.

This year, lawmakers in Georgia turned not to pot but to poles as a possible source of additional revenue.

Republican state Sen. Jack Murphy's proposed "pole tax" would have charged patrons of strip clubs a $5 entrance fee. The bill was not approved.

Nineteen states have explored gambling-related proposals as ways balance their 2010 budgets, according to the National Council of State Legislatures.

In Alabama, lawmakers considered bringing more bingo games to the state and legalizing slot machines, but the measure was not approved.

Delaware's Democratic Gov. Jack Markell signed legislation creating a sports lottery that legalizes single-game betting. Four professional sports leagues and the NCAA have filed a lawsuit over plans for the lottery, fearing that it threatens the integrity of the games.

"Basically, what we are dealing with is a larger issue here, which states have been grappling now for a few years, that is the shift in our economy away from manufacturing economy to a service-based economy," CanagaRetna said. He noted that when sales tax (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Sales_Tax) doesn't apply, states aren't able to capture the economic activity.

Here are a few of the more interesting ways states are trying to conserve -- and create -- some extra funds:

In Wisconsin, Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle's fiscal year 2010 budget triples the price of an elk hunting license, even though his state has no elk hunting season. Doyle also proposed a fee on for each animal slaughtered, ranging from a penny per chicken to 14 cents per pig, but that provision was shot down.

In his 2009 budget, New York Gov. David Paterson proposed a "fat tax" that would have tacked an 18-percent tax on sugary beverages. That tax -- along with proposed taxes on manicures, health clubs and bowling -- was nixed. Next door in New Jersey, however, residents are subject to a sales tax on health club memberships.

Some school districts in Utah have opted to shorten their school years by a few days or increase class sizes, with hopes of saving millions.

In Virginia, the state House and Senate voted to increase inmates' daily rent by 500 percent, from $1 to $5. Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed the bill in May, requesting that the fee be capped at $3.

In Kentucky, new legislation puts a tax on cell phone ring tones.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html



I see that Alaska is more in the hole than Cali. Hmmmmm... no wonder Palin resigned. Could not stand the fire....time to bail.

c62
07-28-2009, 11:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html



I see that Alaska is more in the hole than Cali. Hmmmmm... no wonder Palin resigned. Could not stand the fire....time to bail.
I'm not sure how $1.52 billion became greater that $19.64 billion. Does anyone know how the royalties from the oil company will play into this?

It's interesting to see how the southwestern states are getting hit the hardest. I'm guessing all the property tax revenue just dried up.

deagle
07-29-2009, 12:03 AM
at least in the crumby state of NY the fat tax made sense. get healthy or pay extra to fatty foods.

Ordie
07-29-2009, 01:14 AM
How about a national internet tax.

ronnieraygun
07-29-2009, 01:50 AM
How about a national internet tax.


Ooohhh...crickets chirping....

Holmes85
07-29-2009, 01:53 AM
I propose we place a $10 tax on all beer purchased nationwide.:)

Skutatos
07-29-2009, 01:54 AM
****s shouldn't be taxed. Imagine what our forefathers would think of this! Benjamin Franklin would probably go sleep with all the strippers.

I also heard that there are plans to try and tax video games. Like we don't pay enough for those already.

Aerosoul
07-29-2009, 04:09 AM
The strip club thing seems stupid but...

Free the weed. :)

50 bucks tax per ounce isn't too bad considering the prices people usually have to pay for quality weed. It's too bad the feds are so hooked on Drug War funds. As hopeful as some people are getting that it will be legalized I just don't see it at the federal level anytime soon.

Hopefully more and more states will at least allow medicinal use.

SoSo
07-29-2009, 11:50 AM
In order to decriminalize marijuana so it can be taxed, a state will have to overcome opposition from the enormous "military-industrial complex" of law enforcement and corrections officers' unions, treatment centers, drug testing and education companies, which make money from the drug war. Also, look at the revenue drug seizures already generate for authorities. In any case, even if one or more states decide to legalize and tax marijuana, I have to believe the drug war zealots in the Federal government will go to any lengths necessary to prevent them from doing it.

Kit
07-29-2009, 12:05 PM
Why is marijuana lifted up as a saving grace to all our problems? It's a plant that gets you high, and might pull in a little revenue. I don't think it will do anything revolutionary.

But legalize it anyway. If anything, it will free up some prison funding.

Rossdobby
07-29-2009, 01:29 PM
Its a slow process but Im positive that marjuana will be legal in North America within 25 years. Its to big an industry to control. B.C. is estimated to make 7 billion from illegal marijuana selling. If tthat were legalized and taked it would rival the alberta oil field companies in profit

Ragno
07-29-2009, 01:49 PM
In order to decriminalize marijuana so it can be taxed, a state will have to overcome opposition from the enormous "military-industrial complex" of law enforcement and corrections officers' unions, treatment centers, drug testing and education companies, which make money from the drug war. Also, look at the revenue drug seizures already generate for authorities. In any case, even if one or more states decide to legalize and tax marijuana, I have to believe the drug war zealots in the Federal government will go to any lengths necessary to prevent them from doing it.

i wish i could have said that..

thinking about my own country..even if legalized you could not use it. If you cause a car accident and you are positive to marijuana no matter when you have smoked you will be charged of attemped murder...

Blackmagic94
07-29-2009, 03:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/states.budget.crunch/index.html



I see that Alaska is more in the hole than Cali. Hmmmmm... no wonder Palin resigned. Could not stand the fire....time to bail.



You absolutely suck at math.

CG51
07-29-2009, 05:17 PM
You absolutely suck at math.

Nope.

Look at the perentage of the budget for the two states.

Holmes85
07-29-2009, 06:28 PM
The strip club thing seems stupid but...

Free the weed. :)

50 bucks tax per ounce isn't too bad considering the prices people usually have to pay for quality weed. It's too bad the feds are so hooked on Drug War funds. As hopeful as some people are getting that it will be legalized I just don't see it at the federal level anytime soon.

Hopefully more and more states will at least allow medicinal use.

You know that people will most likely try to grow their own in order to avoid the costs. Especially if it's taxed heavily and becomes costly to buy.

Aerosoul
07-29-2009, 07:15 PM
You know that people will most likely try to grow their own in order to avoid the costs. Especially if it's taxed heavily and becomes costly to buy.

More people would grow, I know I would. But I don't think everyone would start growing. A lot of smokers really care about quality and to get really good weed it takes careful attention with the right kind of light and nutrients and trimming, etc. It can really increase your electric bill if you grow inside, too. Having to run lights and fans.

A lot will still be content to just go to a dispensary and buy themselves 1/8 oz, 1/4 oz., whatever.


As for the driving issue, it is a problem the way a lot of places have "drugged driving" tests. It's like giving someone a DUI because they drank 5 days ago and are perfectly sober. I can't imagine someone being so stupid or such an asshole to send someone to jail because of a worthless test that cannot prove whether someone smoked an hour ago or 2 weeks ago. But it happens.

Not to mention a number of studies show that marijuana use, if anything, DECREASES car wrecks. Since the 1980's these test have been done and they show that marijuana led people to maintain more consistent speed and cause less wrecks than sober drivers.

And another thing I don't think many people understand is the difference in types of marijuana. You have indicas that can get you stoned, and you have sativas that are more social and energizing. It's not all the same thing and not everyone just sits around doing nothing when they smoke.



Why is marijuana lifted up as a saving grace to all our problems? It's a plant that gets you high, and might pull in a little revenue. I don't think it will do anything revolutionary.

But legalize it anyway. If anything, it will free up some prison funding.
It is going to be rather revolutionary in the medical scene. No prescription can do what marijuana does, and sure as hell not as safely.

There is a prescription called Marinol. It is synthetic THC, but does not work as well as smoking marijuana. The government approves it for medicine, but not weed. They dare try to say that Marinol is medicinal and safe enough to be legal, but not actual marijuana, they have to declare it a Schedule 1 drug with no medicinal use? The hypocrisy has gotten so f*cking obvious it's laughable.

SkyUS
07-29-2009, 07:19 PM
Perhaps we should tax stupidity. It could solve problems. Seriously :)

Kit
07-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Perhaps we should tax stupidity. It could solve problems. Seriously :)

You've obviously never seen a stupid person with no money. It's not pretty.