Glenn Beck calls Obama a racist

[Gleipnir]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x37gZpjV8r0

Searched and didn't find this, hope it isn't a repost.

[Kit]

Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX needs to STFU. The Republicans need to regain a little dignity here.

[Zarak]

Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX needs to STFU. The Republicans need to regain a little dignity here.

Glen Beck represents Republicans like Obama represents National Socialists. :|

[goat89]

Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX needs to STFU. The Republicans need to regain a little dignity here.
FOX needs to STFU. They already pissed off gamers worldwide for their idiocracy. Never forgive, never forget.

[Zarak]

FOX needs to STFU. They already pissed off gamers worldwide for their idiocracy. Never forgive, never forget.

OH NOES, THE FAT LAZY KIDS WHO WORK AT MCDONNALDS ARE GOING TO WRITE THEM NASTY EMAILS...right after that bag of cheetos...and that halo match...and...

[the_13th_redneck]

Seriously FOX needs to STFU.
It's funny that they're calling Obama racist against White people when Obama was primarily raised by his mother, a White woman.
I guess FOX is following the one drop rule.

[Bro Jangles]

GOOD GOD! Glen Beck made an extreme statement!

[goat89]

OH NOES, THE FAT LAZY KIDS WHO WORK AT MCDONNALDS ARE GOING TO WRITE THEM NASTY EMAILS...right after that bag of cheetos...and that halo match...and...
Well... theres that yes. ;) But normal gamers like me who appreciate the culture of games are sure hell still pissed with them. Now back on topic chaps. ;)

[gaijinsamurai]

I've watched Glenn Beck's show once , and since then, have not been able to take him seriously. He's shown himself to be just another right-wing blowhard.

[JJC]

"white culture"rofl Can someone remind me again what is a white culture? Glenn Beck is one step below Alex Jones, but liberals should STFU. If Bush was called a terrorist for 8 years and survived, so can Obama take the "racist" label.

[Holmes85]

I guess Glenn Beck is wearing his tinfoil hat again. I mean seriously, does the guy ever take the time to listen to what he says.

[Zarak]

"white culture"rofl Can someone remind me again what is a white culture?

Western Culture in general is primarily 'white'. The Greeks, the Romans, the Founding Fathers, Newton, Darwin, etc. But that's a pretty stupid lens to view the world through. All humans are entitled to the fruits of those who have gone before us, regardless of race.

Aside from that, I guess country music and NASCAR are pretty white. They can keep those, though.

[tyovan]

Guess he's back on the bottle... this guy is an idiot

[Noons86]

Aside from that, I guess country music and NASCAR are pretty white. They can keep those, though.

Don't forget Hockeyp-)

[gaijinsamurai]

..... but liberals should STFU. If Bush was called a terrorist for 8 years and survived, so can Obama take the "racist" label.

That's one of the weakest excuses I've heard in a long time, JJC.

There are idiots on the right and idiots on the left. And the stupid things people like Michael Moore say do not make it okay for those like Glenn Beck to say equally stupid things.

Beck is obviously pandering to those rednecks who still can't accept the reality of a minority in the White House.

[Red_Fern]

Why is it the Obamanites can spew their opinions, yet when the conservatives try to defend themselves or voice their own opinions, they're the ones called racist?

Kind of a double-standard is it not? Do as I say but not as I do?

There's pains in the a** on both sides, I won't deny, but the scrutinisation the right has to endure while the left goes essentially unchecked (or so it seems) is messed up.

[vinny_121_ND]

what's white culture?

[Ought Six]

Lawrence Welk. :)

[SBL]

Lawrence Welk. :)
bahahahahaha

[Bro Jangles]

what's white culture?
really, it is american culture, short of music tastes and basketball skills there is very little difference in American races.

[Ayub -al -Somal]

I understand a little bit where Beck is coming from .
The last president we had started digging his grave the day he began favouring his own people.
Brother Obama should be more careful with the patient white America. lol

[Bro Jangles]

The last president we had started digging his grave the day he began favouring his own people.
l
Kanye is that you?

[Ayub -al -Somal]

No my friend , I have never had such a name ANYWHERE , and I am not the guy you're refering to .

[INAT]

Paging Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson !

[vinny_121_ND]

I understand a little bit where Beck is coming from .
The last president we had started digging his grave the day he began favouring his own people.


Are you referring to GW Bush? He never favored his 'own people'. He appointed blacks, asians and latinos in his inner circle.

[Bro Jangles]

Are you referring to GW Bush? He never favored his 'own people'. He appointed blacks, asians and latinos in his inner circle.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/distrust.gif

[Ayub -al -Somal]

No , I am talking about Somalia .
First of all nobody talks back to the police , unless you're a big shot .
And if the president comes on TV and favors his "cousin" , he's deposed the next day .
I was trying to make a joke here , what's all this questioning ? lol

[vinny_121_ND]

No , I am talking about Somalia .
First of all nobody talks back to the police , unless you're a big shot .
And if the president comes on TV and favors his "cousin" , he's deposed the next day .
I was trying to make a joke here , what's all these questioning ?

hahahah, sorry mate. Never mind.

[INAT]

No , I am talking about Somalia .
First of all nobody talks back to the police , unless you're a big shot .
And if the president comes on TV and favors his "cousin" , he's deposed the next day .
I was trying to make a joke here , what's all these questioning ?



Ahh classic Somali humor.

[Ayub -al -Somal]

Humor is sort of like.. you either get it or you don't .
Like colors , you know , some people like yellow or green as opposed to black or burgundy .
Unless you've never left your village ..that's a different story .lol

[nullterm]

Don't forget Hockeyp-)

Hey, there's plenty of black guys that play hockey.

You wouldn't think so considering it's mostly a bunch of white farm boys with no teeth swinging sticks around, but there are.

http://www.youtube.com/v/JtMfBY2NXB0&hl=en&fs=1&

[Othree52]

No , I am talking about Somalia .
First of all nobody talks back to the police , unless you're a big shot .

No body talks back to the police unless your a warlord. Oh wait, warlords are the police...

[Red_Fern]

Unless you've never left your village ..that's a different story .lol

Isolationism for the win! rofl rofl

[Ayub -al -Somal]

Somalia is MORE than what you either see on TV or read here ., mr othree52
Whenever you are ready to get an education feel free to ask , I'd be more than glad to help !

There are places where there is a functioning POLICE and NO warlords to be seen .

[Derbedeu]

Hey, there's plenty of black guys that play hockey.

You wouldn't think so considering it's mostly a bunch of white farm boys with no teeth swinging sticks around, but there are.

http://www.youtube.com/v/JtMfBY2NXB0&hl=en&fs=1&

Wow, I don't know how good of a hockey player this Laraque guy is, but he's a hell of a fighter! :D

[Red_Fern]

Somalia is MORE than what you either see on TV or read here ., mr othree52
Whenever you are ready to get an education feel free to ask , I'd be more than glad to help !

There are places where there is a functioning POLICE and NO warlords to be seen .

DO enlighten us then, good sir.

[Power_serj]

Glenn Beck says what many of us are thinking. No I do not think Obama is racist, but he does show favoritism towards minorities, and black people and pulls the race card. Recent example, is with that police officer and that jackass professor.

He is no more right wing than CNN and MSNBC are left wing. The only difference is that Glenn Beck does not deny his political affiliations like CNN and MSNBC. Glenn Beck is the Fox counter part of Keith Olbermann.

[Ayub -al -Somal]

DO enlighten us then, good sir.
Red fern although the topic is about Glen Beck , google Somaliland and if you need anymore clarifications , I'll help you as best as I can.
My point here is , not all places in Somalia have warlords , unless of course you want to engage me on wether somaliland is recognised country or not .
You can also google by the way the semi -autonomous region of Puntland while you're at it .

[Red_Fern]

Glenn Beck says what many of us are thinking. No I do not think Obama is racist, but he does show favoritism towards minorities, and black people and pulls the race card. Recent example, is with that police officer and that jackass professor.

He is no more right wing than CNN and MSNBC are left wing. The only difference is that Glenn Beck does not deny his political affiliations like CNN and MSNBC. Glenn Beck is the Fox counter part of Keith Olbermann.

This is very true.

[Derbedeu]

Glenn Beck says what many of us are thinking. No I do not think Obama is racist, but he does show favoritism towards minorities, and black people and pulls the race card. Recent example, is with that police officer and that jackass professor.

He is no more right wing than CNN and MSNBC are left wing. The only difference is that Glenn Beck does not deny his political affiliations like CNN and MSNBC. Glenn Beck is the Fox counter part of Keith Olbermann.

I always thought that would be Bill O'Reilly. Or Stephen Colbert.

[Johnny_H02]

Glenn Beck is a ****, end of story. He personifies the pig ignorance of -some- people in the United States. He spews sh*t with not only no back up but backup doesn't exist, facts are made up on the spot and as far as hes convinced its true because he says so.

I'm sure the leeeeebril left has the same commentators but the most loud and obnoxious of this ilk is Glenn Beck. I damn near vomited when I saw his new book which hes high jacking Thomas Paine's "Common Sense". Really Glenn Beck? Common Sense? Hardly.




Glenn Beck is the Fox counter part of Keith Olbermann.
I've really only seen Olbermann fact-check obsurd statements made by O'Reilly, I have to admit though that I don't watch American news channels. I only come across tidbits shared on the internet. I saw him tear O'Reilly a new asshole when O'Reilly pig-ignorantly stated that American GI's killed German POW's at Malmedy in the second world war. This is the kind of shiite I'm getting at Billy Boy just shot that bull**** from the hip having no idea what he was talking about but said it so confidently and arrogantly that it must be true.

Clip about Malmedy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0aAVifJqDE

[Power_serj]

Only blind sheep would say that Olbermann and MSNBC and CNN are not left. The same goes for Billy O'reilly, Glenn Beck, and Fox News being right.

I recognize both and watch all of the channels and shows aforementioned. I based my opinion based on fact and logic rather than spewed emotion by either side.

If you are wondering, I consider myself a Liberaterian in the Republican party. I believe that freedom is God given, and the government should only be there to ensure Life, Liberty and Happiness; no more, and no less. I believe in Economic Freedom as well as Personal Freedom (both to a reasonable extent). Why should the government be so big? What happened to consent of the governed, and "for the people, by the people"?

[Universal_Soldier]

Glenn Beck says what many of us are thinking. No I do not think Obama is racist, but he does show favoritism towards minorities, and black people and pulls the race card. Recent example, is with that police officer and that jackass professor.

He is no more right wing than CNN and MSNBC are left wing. The only difference is that Glenn Beck does not deny his political affiliations like CNN and MSNBC. Glenn Beck is the Fox counter part of Keith Olbermann.

Give me a break with that BS. Remember glen beck use to be on CNN. while there, he often proclaims that Americans should just be American instead of Democrats and Republicans (that's just a few months ago). Look fellow, Keith Olberman is no different from Glen beck or Hannity they are paid to prey on gullible American population. Keith never said he's republican or that his not on the left side of issues sames goes for the Righties on FOX

Why can't we have new channels that just does news,no analysis one way or another because we are smart enough to understand the news, no need for further explanation and all the spin, and commentators should stick with the Radio.

[Afro-European]

Obama "racist" against whites? Isn't he half-white?

[Universal_Soldier]

Obama "racist" against whites? Isn't he half-white?

You see our society has internalized the One drop Rule: a Purist mentality developed mostly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery and racism. Therefore any black in you makes you black because you are considered not longer pure...contaminated - if you will.

[the_13th_redneck]

Seriously FOX needs to STFU.
It's funny that they're calling Obama racist against White people when Obama was primarily raised by his mother, a White woman.
I guess FOX is following the one drop rule.


Yes mentioned earlier.

[CMNot]

It's funny, I've just been reading about Freddie Stowers and the travesty of bravery awards to African-Americans during WW1 through 2, then log on to mp.net to be faced by this turd.

[KJV1611]

Funny how most people bashed Bush while he was the president, going to war over oil and yada yada, but oh no as soon as someone accuses the first black president of being a racist everyone comes out swinging. I actually think its funny

[Lazuris]

Damn that was a good video. I havn't been following hocky the past several years but it seems that several years ago the ref's tried to shut down the fight pretty quick now they are letting them go a bit. When did this start happining. I guess it time to start watching hocky again.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Funny how most people bashed Bush while he was the president, going to war over oil and yada yada, but oh no as soon as someone accuses the first black president of being a racist everyone comes out swinging. I actually think its funnyThat's the nature of the beast.

[JKD]

Beck, Dobbs ignite cable news throwdown

By MICHAEL CALDERONE


Cable news personalities turned vicious this week, feuding over fringe conspiracy theories and hurling incendiary remarks on race. Ugly though the scene may be, network executives – fresh from producing lengthy tributes to the judicious, sober legacy of Walter Cronkite — are sitting back enjoying the fight.

On Tuesday night, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow said CNN’s Lou Dobbs is promoting the “off-the-deep-end, wing-nut, racist conspiracy theory” that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Maddow’s slam came in response to Dobbs having called her a “tea-bagging queen” earlier that day on his radio show. In that same segment, Dobbs also called Fox News’ Geraldo Rivera, another critic, “intellectually challenged.”

From that same platform, Dobbs had previously described critics of his birth certificate coverage as “limp-minded, lily-livered lefties.” Jon Stewart had blasted Dobbs the night before on “The Daily Show.” There, Stewart pointed out that while Dobbs was away, a guest host had debunked the “birther” theory. Stewart posed the question, "Do you even watch CNN?"

But there were more fireworks on Tuesday, as Fox News host Glenn Beck ignited a controversy by calling Obama “a racist,” while claiming that the president has a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” (Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade quickly questioned the factual basis of that statement given that Obama’s top advisers are white).

About 24 hours later, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” crew was taking shots at Beck on the air, with Donny Deutsch reading a list of Beck’s advertisers on Wednesday afternoon, and encouraging viewers to reach out to them over the host’s “disgusting” comments. Chris Matthews kicked off “Hardball” with a discussion of Beck’s remarks. And NBC political director and chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd blasted the Fox News host on his “First Read” blog.

“What's most amazing about this episode is that what Beck said isn't a fireable or even a SUSPENDABLE offense by his bosses,” Todd wrote. “There was a time when outrageous rants like this would actually cost the ranters their jobs. But not anymore; if anything, it's now encouraged.”

Former CNN chairman Tom Johnson agreed that times have changed.

“It always was my policy (and that of Ted Turner) that anchors and reporters should not present their own personal opinions on the air,” Johnson told POLITICO in an email. “We did not permit Lou Dobbs or any anchor or correspondent to do that.”

Though executives may not be actively encouraging such talk, they at least seem to be turning a blind eye to the echo chamber infighting. CNN president Jon Klein told reporters Tuesday that the network has “no control over what [Dobbs] says on his radio show,” a platform where much of the ‘birther” talk has taken place — only to be followed-up later on the television show.

“It’s not a CNN radio program so he does what he does on the radio separate from what he does on our air,” Klein said, according to the Los Angeles Times. “So we ask you and anyone writing about this, to look at what he says on CNN. It’s the only thing we control.”

But no one’s canning Dobbs, who brought in an average of 720,000 viewers during July, according to Nielsen, and whose show airs two hours later on sister-network, HLN.

Klein has attempted to influence Dobbs’ coverage of the issue by having CNN political researchers look into the matter, and after finding no conspiracy, told Dobbs staffers over e-mail “it seems this story is dead.” And yesterday, Klein reiterated that to reporters: “[Dobbs] is not exploring the question of whether Barack Obama is an American citizen. That is settled. It is a dead issue as far as CNN is concerned.”

That same night, Dobbs said on CNN that there were "new developments" in the birth certificate story, before thanking Fox's Bill O'Reilly for defending his right to ask questions on the matter. (O’Reilly, however, has called the birth certificate skeptics’ claims “bogus” and said Monday night that Dobbs is pushing this for ratings).

So with Dobbs still beating the “birther” drum, liberal watchdog group Media Matters — which has been covering the issue comprehensively — slammed CNN on Wednesday.

“Jonathan Klein’s flailing attempt to again brush off this controversy — with falsehoods — raises even more concerns about the standards of journalism at CNN,” said Media Matters president Eric Burns, in a statement. “Rather than misleading the public, he should credibly address CNN’s still growing Dobbs problem by simply telling the truth.”

(CNN did not make an executive available to discuss the issue; Fox News did not respond to a request for comment).

Bill Shine, Fox’s senior vice president for programming, told TVNewser yesterday that Beck “expressed a personal opinion which represented his own views, not those of the Fox News Channel. And as with all commentators in the cable news arena, he is given the freedom to express his opinions."

Burns said on the Beck controversy: “It’s nice to know that Fox News doesn’t endorse Beck’s view that the President is a ‘racist.’ However, the network’s attempt to duck responsibility is laughable on its face. Fox News, like all networks, must be held responsible for what is said on air. Avoiding accountability is hardly the ‘fair and balanced’ approach to good journalism.”

Not surpringly, MSNBC hosts have been quick to condemn.

On Twitter, Joe Scarborough wrote: “ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Did Glenn Beck really say the president has ‘a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture’? Outrageous.”

While Scarborough wasn’t on the set Wednesday when the “Morning Joe” crew discussed Beck’s remarks, others were quick to criticize the Fox host.

"I'm highly-annoyed," said the Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart. "How is it possible that this guy can sit on national television and call the President of the United States a racist?"

"Glenn Beck, and people like this,” Capehart added, “need to stop this.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25588_Page2.html

I'm old enough to remember, and I'm not that old, when there was a lot less opinion, a lot more news, and a lot more class on the news.

And really, I don't think the big three can honestly call themselves news networks anymore. They've become opinion entertainment networks where viewers of whichever partisan or ideological persuasion go to hear what they want to hear.

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And really, I don't think the big three can honestly call themselves news networks anymore. They've become opinion entertainment networks where viewers of whichever partisan or ideological persuasion go to hear what they want to hear.

Couldnt agree more

[Breakfast in Vegas]

You see our society has internalized the One drop Rule: a Purist mentality developed mostly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery and racism. Therefore any black in you makes you black because you are considered not longer pure...contaminated - if you will.
Saw an interesting interview on the subject with Lenny Kravitz, who is half-white as well, his father being white (and Jewish). He said that as a child he grew up thinking he was white but it soon became apparent that for society as a whole, he was black.

Off-topic but kind of MP.Net relevant... he was named after his uncle, who was a war hero in the Korean War.


Kravitz was born in New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) on May 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_26), 1964 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964), the son of Roxie Roker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Roker), an actress known for her character Helen Willis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersons_supporting_characters#Helen_Douglas_Willis) in the 1970s hit television sitcom The Jeffersons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jeffersons), and Sy Kravitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sy_Kravitz), an NBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC) television news producer. Kravitz's father was of Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainia) Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) descent[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Kravitz#cite_note-0) and his mother was of Bahamian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamian) descent. Kravitz was named after his uncle, Pfc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_First_Class) Leonard Kravitz, who was killed in action on March 6, 1951 near Yangpyeong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangpyeong), Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea) at the age of 20. PFC. Kravitz fearlessly defended against a surprise Chinese Army attack, saving most of his platoon; he was posthumously awarded the Distinguished Service Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Cross_(United_States)), the second highest military decoration of the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Kravitz#cite_note-1)

[TheSteve]

I don't know whats worse, the crazy things Glenn Beck says or the increasingly larger audience he has gotten since he has started with fox.

[okiebugg]

Puhleez..........................It is about time someone expresses an honest opinion about racism and our current President.

Obama's petulant dismissal of the police doing their jobs "stupidly" because they arrested a person or persons who appeared to be breaking into a house. Nothing had been expressed about race until the perp started raising hell about "being a black man in America" and being mistreated. NOTHING backs up the admonition that he was being racially profiled nor mistreated.

It would have been a non event if our racist President hadn't weighed in with the "stupidly" remark about the Cambridge police.

The perp expects an apology at the beer summit this afternoon from the Officer. I will fall off my chair if an apology is proferred.

Instead, we now have a racially charged event with in fact no basis other than a man who thinks he is larger than the event and is entitled to be treated with extra care because he is black and a professor at an Ivy League Community College.

Call me a racist if you like, but IMO we are all created and treated equally with no groups having or being entitled to 'extra' rights.

[cone256]

Call me a racist if you like, but IMO we are all created and treated equally with no groups having or being entitled to 'extra' rights.

Hmmmmmmm Affirmative Action rings a bell....

But it's ok Obama supports Sotomayor even though she ruled against the firefighters......

But no he's not biased AT ALL

[vryhpyammoadded]

Oh come now people grow up, Obama is a “politician”. His opinion is whatever tool necessary to win. Beck was entirely correct in his use of the word racist in context with the rest of his show.

The current reigning Oligarchs executive Jesus (Obama) was designed and built specifically to disassemble political and cultural norms that oppose their supporting constituency’s increased wealth and license and the coercion of the wealth and license of the opposition to their influence. My god, the sins that will be nailed to him when he mounts the cross will be epic, even besting Bush.

Obama is nothing but a means to their end and Beck clearly see’s the attack this plurality has aimed squarely at his chosen demographics position.

Personally I found Becks use of such inflammatory innuendo “I know what you are so what am I” attack a smart bit of distraction from the subtle yet finally damning line he nudged a large number of viewers across. The mass media bull charging into the "racist" cape, hitting the logical anvil only proved his points. Becks listeners are having a hell of a laugh and a greater portion is now even more inoculated to Big Brothers spin machine.

Take an impartial view, don’t let your own prejudices cloud your reason and analyze what’s happening to the US folks. Do not underestimate these guys or you’ll be corralled, hopefully only fleeced but quite possibly meat on their table should things get really rough.

[okiebugg]

huh????????????????

[Eagle The Lightning]

That's Racist.

[Atlantic Friend]

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[Atlantic Friend]

And really, I don't think the big three can honestly call themselves news networks anymore. They've become opinion entertainment networks where viewers of whichever partisan or ideological persuasion go to hear what they want to hear.

Yup. TV channels, newspapers, political blogs, are progressively renouncing to reporting events or providing analysis. Now it's all about "voicing an opinion", buying off-the-rack, super-polarized analysis corresponding to one's favorite leaning. That was true with Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and that remains true now. In an informed public is key to democracy's survival, then the whole system's going down the train.

That's what makes sites like MP.Net great IMHO. No political affiliation, meaning we can have open, frank, sometimes even brutal discussions without people jumping on each other and calling themselves traitors or (insert quality here)-In-Name-Only.

[Gleipnir]

Why can't we have new channels that just does news,no analysis one way or another because we are smart enough to understand the news, no need for further explanation and all the spin, and commentators should stick with the Radio.

Agreed- if only



I'm old enough to remember, and I'm not that old, when there was a lot less opinion, a lot more news, and a lot more class on the news.
And really, I don't think the big three can honestly call themselves news networks anymore. They've become opinion entertainment networks where viewers of whichever partisan or ideological persuasion go to hear what they want to hear.

Agreed, damned shame isn't it.

[okiebugg]

Yup. TV channels, newspapers, political blogs, are progressively renouncing to reporting events or providing analysis. Now it's all about "voicing an opinion", buying off-the-rack, super-polarized analysis corresponding to one's favorite leaning. That was true with Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and that remains true now. In an informed public is key to democracy's survival, then the whole system's going down the train.

That's what makes sites like MP.Net great IMHO. No political affiliation, meaning we can have open, frank, sometimes even brutal discussions without people jumping on each other and calling themselves traitors or (insert quality here)-In-Name-Only.

That was a great summation of the way I feel most of the time about the networks.

There are a couple of members who get angry with my "Racist" rant. I can assure that having worked for many years in a hospital Emergency Room in the inner city, you can show no favor and have as many friends of one race as the other.....even RN's LOL

My problems are a result of seeing the reverse of rights for middle class Americans of average means. The resulting protections of one group over another simply because they scream louder and claim more harassment doesn't wash with me

[2Sheds_Jackson]

My comments would be; the forum in which Beck commented was an entertainment show, not a news show. It's like going on Good Morning America or Today except without the clucking chickens. Secondly, it's really not news anyway - of course Obama is a racist. We need to be told that?

He built his career in academia taking advantage of race-based programs, became a "community organizer" for a community of people defined by race, and wrote books about race. For f*ck sake, only a complete idiot could look at his past and not recognize that. The guy is the president, and has involved himself in a minor altercation - coming right out of the box with a comment about race. Race is everything to him - it's his stock in trade. It's his "thing". The left tends to view his type of racism as rather benign and necessary to achieving our guilt-free egalitarian wonderland, so they don't consider it evil the way it is when it comes from a pot-bellied Sheriff in Mississippi with mirrored sunglasses. They really don't like it when somebody simply takes an objective look at it, in part because it reveals that they themselves are racists too.

[Universal_Soldier]

Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX needs to STFU. The Republicans need to regain a little dignity here.

For perspective check out this clip.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-29-2009/so-you-think-you-can-douche

[Afro-European]

You see our society has internalized the One drop Rule: a Purist mentality developed mostly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery and racism. Therefore any black in you makes you black because you are considered not longer pure...contaminated - if you will.
Thanx for the explaination.Maybe it's a US thing but here in Europe mixed people are just that...mixed.One can't be born to a white and a black parent and be only black.

Back on the topic:What else can we expect from Faux News!!!

[Power_serj]

Why can't we have new channels that just does news,no analysis one way or another because we are smart enough to understand the news, no need for further explanation and all the spin, and commentators should stick with the Radio.

I completely agree that would be nice to have just straight news. However, that is not going to happen. The current news is just fine, if you are smart enough to understand fact from opinion. However, a lot of people cannot separate the two and we are left with a bunch of media and party sheep. Both parties are really messed up now and are on the completely wrong track, along with the media.

BTW: I have found that news that can be found on the internet provides the least biased. It seems to be a lot harder to sneak opinion with fact when things are being typed out. It usually does not flow as well as speaking.

[Dronckaert]

I couldn't help but thinking when he said all of this...well, Glenn just succeeded in making himself a target.

Wonder how much longer he will have a microphone.

[Euroamerican]

He built his career in academia taking advantage of race-based programs, became a "community organizer" for a community of people defined by race, and wrote books about race. For f*ck sake, only a complete idiot could look at his past and not recognize that. The guy is the president, and has involved himself in a minor altercation - coming right out of the box with a comment about race. Race is everything to him - it's his stock in trade. It's his "thing". The left tends to view his type of racism as rather benign and necessary to achieving our guilt-free egalitarian wonderland, so they don't consider it evil the way it is when it comes from a pot-bellied Sheriff in Mississippi with mirrored sunglasses. They really don't like it when somebody simply takes an objective look at it, in part because it reveals that they themselves are racists too.

+10 ! Agree completely. Don't forget the whole Rev Wright thing too.

[Gleipnir]

That's a nice little piece of spin 2Sheds, and there is no denying that it is a factor- but it still feels a little different to me in comparison to accusing someone of being motivated by a 'deep seated hatred of white people or the white culture'.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

That's a nice little piece of spin 2Sheds, and there is no denying that it is a factor- but it still feels a little different to me in comparison to accusing someone of being motivated by a 'deep seated hatred of white people or the white culture'.

It's a cold slice of reality, not spin if you ask me. I can't know what the man thinks, I only know what he says and does. And when paired up with the words and actions of those he surrounds himself with (such as Wright, and his own wife, who apparently wasn't proud of America until she got hers) - it certainly looks like somebody who either doesn't like white America, or is simply scapegoating it in exchange for political power. It doesn't make much difference to me which it is.

[chauncy republicans]

All this "us vs. them" garbage being propagated by the major news outlets is starting to make me very suspicious about current events. I also hardly doubt that Obama is stupid, which is exactly what he would be if he didn't foresee the media firestorm surrounding his actions. To think the situation on the whole will not possibly drive a wedge between ethnic groups in the U.S. would be ridiculous. Bush wasn't stupid either, these crooked scheming assholes know what they're doing, and they're counting on us to underestimate their level of intelligence.

[okiebugg]

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[duhblow7]

This is the kind of shiite I'm getting at Billy Boy just shot that bull**** from the hip having no idea what he was talking about but said it so confidently and arrogantly that it must be true.


I caught this gem a couple days ago that I thought was pretty good.

http://politicalirony.com/2009/07/28/bill-oreilly-is-a-complete-idiot/

[Gleipnir]

There is no doubt that some of Obama's associates have taken some rather questionable stances and expressed some rather regrettable public opinions, but for me, his own motivations don't strike me as being those that hold true to an anti-white racist. That his recent comments regarding the Gates fiasco were poorly thought out and inappropriate also does not convince me unequivocally that he is a racist.

The fact that he is a bi-racial and has had experience living in cultures not his own should promote some kind of questioning surrounding his own identity and that this should be a defining factor in his personal and professional life isn't a problem with me, nor should it be to anyone who has had some experience that is similar.
I also don't have much problems with people who work with (non-hategroup) communities defined by their race. To me this has little to do with activities that target or behave aggressively towards an 'other'.

Hearing of a 'white culture' evokes in my own mind the Aryan mythologies that the Nazis constructed from differing pre-existing elements- one that undoubtedly and ultimately could be labelled in no uncertain terms as racist.

What's all this nonsense about impending race wars? - c'mon, put the White album away and settle down. Just as ridiculous as all this crap about FEMA camps, which to me is just as paranoid as the claims of 9/11 'truthers'.

I think we are all getting a little carried away here - as much as one who tries to use the race card for situations that make such claims inappropriate and ridiculous and in turn demeans and negates the experiences of those who actually have been victims of racially motivated hate crimes.

Beck's rhetoric is far too loose and poorly defined and this is regrettable - saying that Obama is motivated by hatred against whites/white culture (whatever that may be) strikes me as poor-
in the end his simplistic, loaded, yet ultimately hollow commentary can be analyzed and defined by others to the point where it merely becomes a battle of whose semantics are better, but to go on air and say such throwaway statements strikes me as being an articulation of poor judgement, misplaced sentiments and hyperbolic hysteria mongering.
Maybe he will attempt to elaborate his definitions of what these words mean to him in the future, but until that time, dude- you are tripping.

Also- the fact that Comedy Central has become the social compass for America is telling in the extreme.

[Power_serj]

I caught this gem a couple days ago that I thought was pretty good.

http://politicalirony.com/2009/07/28/bill-oreilly-is-a-complete-idiot/

You are contributing to what we are all stating what we hate about the media. Good move. :cantbeli:

[FlintHillBilly]

Seriously FOX needs to STFU.
It's funny that they're calling Obama racist against White people when Obama was primarily raised by his mother, a White woman.
I guess FOX is following the one drop rule.


Doesnt stop a black man, or half black man from being a single bit racist.

[Jobu]

to go on air and say such throwaway statements strikes me as being an articulation of poor judgement, misplaced sentiments and hyperbolic hysteria mongering.

Are you talking about Glenn Beck, Obama, or both?

To me it appears they can both be defined by this description.

[Mastermind]

My comments would be; the forum in which Beck commented was an entertainment show, not a news show. It's like going on Good Morning America or Today except without the clucking chickens. Secondly, it's really not news anyway - of course Obama is a racist. We need to be told that?

He built his career in academia taking advantage of race-based programs, became a "community organizer" for a community of people defined by race, and wrote books about race. For f*ck sake, only a complete idiot could look at his past and not recognize that. The guy is the president, and has involved himself in a minor altercation - coming right out of the box with a comment about race. Race is everything to him - it's his stock in trade. It's his "thing". The left tends to view his type of racism as rather benign and necessary to achieving our guilt-free egalitarian wonderland, so they don't consider it evil the way it is when it comes from a pot-bellied Sheriff in Mississippi with mirrored sunglasses. They really don't like it when somebody simply takes an objective look at it, in part because it reveals that they themselves are racists too.
Day-um! That's almost exactly what I was going to say...hit the nail on the head again 2Sheds...!!:)

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Fox makes money with crazy people like this! Look at all the publicity now rofl

[timetraveller]

A Person that works for a tv network says a something which was gonna create controversy .. no matter how you view it !! .
All he has done is just make himself headline news for the time period and off course a glorified attention seeker ..

Any decent person wouldn't need to rise to the bait which he has casted .. because that is all he doing playing the race card nothing more nothing less .

[Gleipnir]

Are you talking about Glenn Beck, Obama, or both?
To me it appears they can both be defined by this description.

Your provocations get cuter every time we meet- in this specific case I was referring to Glen, although admittedly, Obama has fit the bill from time to time, minus the hyperbolic hysteria mongering.

Anyways, I still don't see how Obama is a racist.

Again it is all going to boil down to semantics, rhetoric, definitions, etc.

To me racism defines an attitude whereby an individual or group has a belief that the differences between 'races' creates a system whereby one is superior to or validates hatred, intolerance, prejudice, segregation, oppression or discrimination towards another differing 'race'.

Just because you work with a community of a particular race or write books about race or express pride in your heritage that doesn't equate, to me, as being racist.

And what is 'white' America?
Christian, Hetero******, Suburban, Republican?

I know plenty of Caucasian Americans that do not fit into this category.

and since we are creating a binary system (pretty outdated in a pluralist, globalized world don't you think?) what then is 'black' America?

Throwing around vague, undefined, loose but loaded words like these really is reckless and ir-responsible.

Let's not pussyfoot around with cheap semantics-
Beck is talking about a 'deep-seated hatred'- show me the hatred because I remain unconvinced.

[deagle]

glenn beck is a stupid head
lol

[Victory]

Why is it the Obamanites can spew their opinions, yet when the conservatives try to defend themselves or voice their own opinions, they're the ones called racist?

Kind of a double-standard is it not? Do as I say but not as I do?

There's pains in the a** on both sides, I won't deny, but the scrutinisation the right has to endure while the left goes essentially unchecked (or so it seems) is messed up.

Quoted For Truth

-Vic

[DS73]

To me racism defines an attitude whereby an individual or group has a belief that the differences between 'races' creates a system whereby one is superior to or validates hatred, intolerance, prejudice, segregation, oppression or discrimination towards another differing 'race'.
Current "affirmative system" fits this definition. It separates people on races, legitimizes and provide legal mechanisms for defining racial differences, provides incentives to keep these differences, provides advantage to one group in expense of another.
This system provides fuel for hatred and continuous separation between racial and ethnic groups.
Obama fully supports this system.


Just because you work with a community of a particular race or write books about race or express pride in your heritage that doesn't equate, to me, as being racist.
If you do only that, it makes you representative of this group only.
Hardly "bipartisan" figure.


and since we are creating a binary system (pretty outdated in a pluralist, globalized world don't you think?) what then is 'black' America?
There are significant groups of blacks living in continental Europe who use ebonics for in-group communication. I met such groups in A'dam, when became interested found identical only much bigger groups in Berlin and Paris. They define themself as "blacks" in opposition to local "whites". Probably there are such groups in USA as well.
The question is not where you put yourself, the question is what do you do when you meet such people.



Let's not pussyfoot around with cheap semantics-
Beck is talking about a 'deep-seated hatred'- show me the hatred because I remain unconvinced. "Hatred" is very strong emotion. You hardly see it expressed in modern society. So ask Beck about that :D.

Nevertheless it's not the first time when Obama bilndly defends "brothers". Something I think is a close call for disqualifying him as a politician. Real politicians don't do blind stuff. Their weapons are words, it's "forbidden" to shoot freely.

[Gleipnir]

Hey, DS73! I haven't seen you in a while! Good to see you again, I was wondering where you had gone.


Current "affirmative system" fits this definition. It separates people on races, legitimizes and provide legal mechanisms for defining racial differences, provides incentives to keep these differences, provides advantage to one group in expense of another.
This system provides fuel for hatred and continuous separation between racial and ethnic groups.
Obama fully supports this system.

I actually don't disagree and this is a very valid and crucial point- although if this is grounds for calling someone a racist one could also thereby define previous Presidents and many many others as such as well.


If you do only that, it makes you representative of this group only.
Hardly "bipartisan" figure.

That's true- but I wouldn't say that is all he has done or that is all he represents (be it in politics or in the ideals of those who voted for him)


There are significant groups of blacks living in continental Europe who use ebonics for in-group communication. I met such groups in A'dam, when became interested found identical only much bigger groups in Berlin and Paris. They define themself as "blacks" in opposition to local "whites". Probably there are such groups in USA as well.
The question is not where you put yourself, the question is what do you do when you meet such people.

Great point, especially the last one- as a side-note - these youths in A'dam are ridiculous in the extreme if you have lived any time in an urban American city- besides their use of 'straattaal' the way that they appropriate the signs and signifiers common to MTV hip-hop culture is incredibly short-sighted and unoriginal. If they were to visit a real "ghetto" they would quickly find that their cultural hallucination does not align with their poseur behaviour and misinformed, media romanticized image and attitudes.

I always found it regrettable that black Surinamers didn't try to cultivate more of a local image for themselves- the Maroon culture is deeply fascinating and has plenty of room for adaptation to an interesting and unique cultural identity that I find transplanted American hiphop does a disservice to. But then again, many of the Maroons I met in Suriname were Rastafarians. (makes much more sense and is far more practical in that setting and is in fact a movement that I greatly admire)

It is true that there are rather stereotyped and clearly defined groups in the USA that use race as a cultural signifier, but this is far removed in the example of innercity urban youth from the President and Glen Beck. That being said- most politicized rappers are not fooled by Obama.

Anyways, I don't think that there is any problem searching your own cultural identity and finding ways to articulate that- but if you are using these to incite hatred and discrimination or any other racist activities then I see no problem in having these things challenged. One should expect it.
There are ways to be proud of your identity, whatever that may be- that don't require one to incite and actively seek out hatred or domination. I guess sociobiologists would say that it is the territorial nature of our biological legacy.

I'm sure that followers of Asatru will tell you time and time again that they have nothing to do with Neo-Nazis who use many of the same signifiers. It is unfortunate to them and I have great sympathy because the Nazis appropriated many things that existed previously and now public perception usually equates such symbols with Nazism, merely through overexposure.
Even within the Netherlands, the coat of arms of Purmerend (city in the Netherlands) uses the wolfsangle, which was appropriated as a symbol of the Dutch NSB (National Socialist Movement).

That being said- I see race as a primarily anthropological construction- that is to say, socially constructed for the most part. (Yeah, I know that there exists different skin pigmentations and blood types, etc. and that there are indigenous groups with their own cultures but I still believe that Garveyism is as constructed as say, Nazi Occultism)
and there are plenty of white people who have their own cultural hallucinations.

I'm sure you are aware of the recent movement in the Antilles that likes Geert Wilders type ideas but reversed in order to rid the Antilles of white people!

This is starting to go way off topic.


"Hatred" is very strong emotion. You hardly see it expressed in modern society. So ask Beck about that :D.
Nevertheless it's not the first time when Obama bilndly defends "brothers". Something I think is a close call for disqualifying him as a politician. Real politicians don't do blind stuff. Their weapons are words, it's "forbidden" to shoot freely.

I am no way defending Obama on the Gates issue- but it could just as easily be said that his position on the matter could be from one of many angles. Of course race is an easy one to choose. (not arguing that it isn;t a factor, but racism again, I see as something entirely different- especially a 'deep-seated hatred')
I'm no fan of Obama, but I find Beck's claims that he has a 'deep seated hatred of white or white culture' far off the mark.
I still stand by what I say about Beck. Ir-responsible, inappropriate, reckless, baiting and hate mongering with comments such as these.

[bababooey]

Glen who? And why should I care what he says?

[Power_serj]

So called Affirmative Action is racism. Favoritism over any race is racism. It's clear cut, and this is what Affirmative Action does. Sotomayor may disagree, but the Supreme Court even says so.

[Gleipnir]

Affirmative action precedes Obama by a long shot. I guess LBJ and several other Presidents were also racists by your 'clear cut' terms.

[Jobu]

Your provocations get cuter every time we meet- in this specific case I was referring to Glen, although admittedly, Obama has fit the bill from time to time, minus the hyperbolic hysteria mongering.

So when he kept telling us that we were about to enter into another Great Depression if we didn't pass his stimulus bill, that was not hyperbolic hysteria mongering?

[Power_serj]

Affirmative action precedes Obama by a long shot. I guess LBJ and several other Presidents were also racists by your 'clear cut' terms.

I did not call any President racist. :bash:

[DS73]

Hey, DS73! I haven't seen you in a while! Good to see you again, I was wondering where you had gone.

"Priorities" :D. Family> job> hobbies. Mp.net is obviously among hobbies.



I actually don't disagree and this is a very valid and crucial point- although if this is grounds for calling someone a racist one could also thereby define previous Presidents and many many others as such as well.
Since they supported racist actions they were. People are what they do anyway. I don't see why politicians should be any different.

One thing has to be clear. If people in "West" agreed that there should be one law for all and they want merit based society, than they should go for it:
Not excuse one injustice by previous ones. Not invent "entitlements", not crack existing already far from perfect systems by all kind of racial, minority or any other "list requirements". All and any of such steps not only "harden" our societies and provide personal reasons for people to hate each other, but such actions break still existing and so far working merit based rules and customs. The second problem, the substitution of "Merit" by "entitlement" makes me sh*t breaks..It is f*king scary more than anything or anybody else.



Great point, especially the last one- as a side-note - these youths in A'dam are ridiculous in the extreme if you have lived any time in an urban American city- besides their use of 'straattaal' the way that they appropriate the signs and signifiers common to MTV hip-hop culture is incredibly short-sighted and unoriginal. If they were to visit a real "ghetto" they would quickly find that their cultural hallucination does not align with their poseur behaviour and misinformed, media romanticized image and attitudes.
They have pretty clear racist attitudes. "Black English" is part of it. There is serious exchange of racist literature, ideology and they do travel a lot in and out USA.


That being said- I see race as a primarily anthropological construction- that is to say, socially constructed for the most part. (Yeah, I know that there exists different skin pigmentations and blood types, etc. and that there are indigenous groups with their own cultures but I still believe that Garveyism is as constructed as say, Nazi Occultism)
and there are plenty of white people who have their own cultural hallucinations.
Yes, the desire to belong and to separate is one of basic social instincts. (If nationalism is not an option football clubs can become ones). External differences are the easiest to go after. Nevertheless we live in very flexible, huge societies with people having very different genetic background. Any type of separation based on external features could be deadly for such societies.



I'm no fan of Obama, but I find Beck's claims that he has a 'deep seated hatred of white or white culture' far off the mark.
I still stand by what I say about Beck. Ir-responsible, inappropriate, reckless, baiting and hate mongering with comments such as these.Beck is an asshole. I dont' think anybody here will argue with that :D.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Again it is all going to boil down to semantics, rhetoric, definitions, etc.

I'd agree, but I don't see how Obamas actions don't fall well inside the boundary of what what I'd consider those of a racist.

He's the president of the United States, and for some reason, he chose to comment - in a national forum no less, on the actions of a local police officer - essentially a nobody - a private citizen - and say that the guy "acted stupidly". No ambiguity there, no question about definitions or rhetoric. And remember, this is the chosen one - he who walks behind the rows - who's just so gosh darned special and smart that he went straight to the top in academia, who was the very best qualified to be president, and who's every word and speech is able to cause spontaneous orgasms on every college campus and media room. So he said precisely what he meant.

Then, when white America all turned and looked at him in unison and his approval rating went down by 5 points, he came out with the closest thing to a personal apology that he's able to make. I say "personal" apology because we all know how eloquent he is when making apologies for our country - you know, listing the litany of things we've done wrong. His heartfelt apology, detailing how he didn't actually intend to say this citizen acted "stupidly" was "I could've calibrated those words differently". Not "sorry" not "I was wrong" not "I should have stayed in my lane until I knew the details". Frankly I expect more from the smartest man in the whole wide world.

And that is why this has so much traction. It reveals an ugly crack in Obamas' polished veneer - the golden boy who can do no wrong - can't hold his tongue when it comes to issues close to his heart.



To me racism defines an attitude whereby an individual or group has a belief that the differences between 'races' creates a system whereby one is superior to or validates hatred, intolerance, prejudice, segregation, oppression or discrimination towards another differing 'race'.


I agree, and I think that's exactly what Obama's career has done. He's supported many of the programs and attitudes that drive a wedge in the country, and his comments only reinforced it for me. Don't get me wrong - he's not as overt as a guy burning a cross on a lawn - but he may be even worse since the US government has institutionalized racism. Many see it as correcting the injustices of the past. I wasn't around in the past - I don't remember oppressing anybody, and so I just see it as racism.

[Mastermind]

"Beck is an asshole. I dont' think anybody here will argue with that"

Wrong...I argue that. Beck repeatedly makes his statements and backs them up with quite clear supporting video of Obama doing exactly what Beck claims he is doing.

By the standards of the day, consdiering flaming race baiters like Chrissy Mathews...the salivating mad dog screeching name calling fool, and that other loon, ex-sports announcer turned liberal rabid attack puppy, Kieth Olberman, then we have the way over the top liberal mouth piece liar, Wolf Blitzer, then we have the "Air America" jack asses, constantly screaming hyperbole into the air with absolutely NO supporting evidences, Glenn Beck is an icon of reason by comparison.

[Gleipnir]

2Sheds, I can empathize with your position and I think I have a better understanding of where you are coming from- his comments regarding the Gates-Crowley incident were definitely short-sighted and in retrospect ill-informed and likely influenced by personal bias.
I personally didn't jump straight away to racism when I heard about this.
'Stupidly' is widely open to interpretation and could be referring to a number of elements- such as arresting a man for trying to enter his own home-
I don't know, who knows what he had been told- as I say, much becomes clear in retrospect.

The beer summit wasn't an apology of sorts- a personal kind- one that matters more to those involved than some speech-writers empty rhetoric read off of a teleprompter to the cameras?


Frankly I expect more from the smartest man in the whole wide world.

This is of interest to me- I don't.
Nor do I think he is the smartest man in the world. He is a politician- let's never forget that. And all this talk about him being the 'chosen one', etc. C'mon 2Sheds, drop the charade- you don't for a second actually think of him in these terms, do you? I suppose you enjoy adopting this position when it suits you, but it strikes me as a tad disingenuous.


And that is why this has so much traction. It reveals an ugly crack in Obamas' polished veneer - the golden boy who can do no wrong - can't hold his tongue when it comes to issues close to his heart.

I never saw Obama in this light and I'm not sure that I believe that you do either-
I know that there exists a strong cult of personality surrounding the guy and he has been made out to be this-that-and the other and that he represents all kinds of things to different people, but c'mon- the guy farts just like anyone else.



I agree, and I think that's exactly what Obama's career has done. He's supported many of the programs and attitudes that drive a wedge in the country, and his comments only reinforced it for me.

And so have previous Presidents- does this make them racists too?
If you are going to make such a claim, at least be consistent and accept the continuity of how you define things.


Don't get me wrong - he's not as overt as a guy burning a cross on a lawn - but he may be even worse since the US government has institutionalized racism. Many see it as correcting the injustices of the past. I wasn't around in the past - I don't remember oppressing anybody, and so I just see it as racism.

And I still maintain that institutionalized racism precedes Obama by a long shot. He may be in continuity with these apparatuses and may have modified them, but this in my mind, only makes him complicit.
As for 'correcting injustices of the past' I have my own opinions on the matter that are similar to yours, but Obama isn't the scapegoat I am going to choose- why break off a branch when the real problem began in the roots?

[California Joe]

C'mon MM, admit it, he's just a douche that you tend to agree with on this point. p-)

[JKD]

"Beck is an asshole. I dont' think anybody here will argue with that"

Wrong...I argue that. Beck repeatedly makes his statements and backs them up with quite clear supporting video of Obama doing exactly what Beck claims he is doing.

By the standards of the day, consdiering flaming race baiters like Chrissy Mathews...the salivating mad dog screeching name calling fool, and that other loon, ex-sports announcer turned liberal rabid attack puppy, Kieth Olberman, then we have the way over the top liberal mouth piece liar, Wolf Blitzer, then we have the "Air America" jack asses, constantly screaming hyperbole into the air with absolutely NO supporting evidences, Glenn Beck is an icon of reason by comparison.

All these outrage peddlers, from both ends of the ideological spectrum, are dramatically dumbing down the dialogue in this country and Beck is right there with 'em, fake-crying his way all the way to the bank.

[Mastermind]

^^Well, no friggin Duh!

[JKD]

^^Well, no friggin Duh!

Sorry, I thought you were saying he isn't an asshole.

[okiebugg]

Fox makes money with crazy people like this! Look at all the publicity now rofl

So you think only Fox makes money with crazies? You must work for Fox

[DS73]

"Beck is an asshole. I dont' think anybody here will argue with that"

Wrong...I argue that. Beck repeatedly makes his statements and backs them up with quite clear supporting video of Obama doing exactly what Beck claims he is doing.

"asshole" cann't be drawn from one action only, he repeatedly does asshole things.
Even this story could be presented in quite different more "lawfull" than confrontational way. And hardly "exactly" there.

If anything he discredits everything he touched.
He reminds me of these UFO freeks.



By the standards of the day, consdiering flaming race baiters like Chrissy Mathews...the salivating mad dog screeching name calling fool, and that other loon, ex-sports announcer turned liberal rabid attack puppy, Kieth Olberman, then we have the way over the top liberal mouth piece liar, Wolf Blitzer, then we have the "Air America" jack asses, constantly screaming hyperbole into the air with absolutely NO supporting evidences, Glenn Beck is an icon of reason by comparison.Lol, famous relativity of evils. Such attitude has no future. I thought you are old enough to realize that.

[CMNot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dm4GiyyVKQQ
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[okiebugg]

Beck isn't an asshole when you compare him to the pin heads that spout their liberal anti war-pro nobama rant. Olberman, Matthews et all

[California Joe]

Yeah, he really is, you just tend to agree with his point of view more than the other assholes you mentioned.

[Elbs]

I may be conservative, but I'll be the first to say he is an asshole. As is Bill O'Reilly, Olbermann, the psycho b*tch on MSNBC, and fatass Limbaugh. It's one thing to criticize and dissent, it's another to go about it in the way that some of these jerks do it.

[okiebugg]

Yeah, he really is, you just tend to agree with his point of view more than the other assholes you mentioned.

You cannot convince me, I cannot convince you:



blah blah blah

[California Joe]

You don't have to convince me of anything.

I agree that MSNBC has a tendency towards fawning adulation and they have strident, opinionated lefty hacks that have their own opinion shows.

Apparently you don't see that there are equally retarded hacks on the right like Beck.

I've never understood that about people that rail about things like this in here. Do you think that it somehow is a show of weakness to admit that you like listening to wingnuts and maybe agree with them sometimes? I used to listen to G. Gordon everyday at lunch. He's crazy as a sh*thouse rat, but he's entertaining.

[NUCKINFUTS]

Funny how most people bashed Bush while he was the president, going to war over oil and yada yada, but oh no as soon as someone accuses the first black president of being a racist everyone comes out swinging. I actually think its funny

I knew somehow it would come to this it always does.

[California Joe]

Don't you know that constantly mis****ouncing "Noo Cue Ler", starting a war with the dudes that weren't actually involved in 9/11 whilst pretending they were, because what the hell, they're arabs or some sh*t and Toby Keith wrote some song about kickin' ass, is exactly the same as saying a white cop acted stupidly for arresting your asshole friend? It's exactly the same, except for that whole casualties thing.

[sct1886]

Glenn Beck and the rest of FOX needs to STFU. The Republicans need to regain a little dignity here.
Obama attends a RACIST MILITANT church for twenty years, one of his first acts is to dismiss charges against Black Panthers for intimidating Boston polls, he totally ignores a white family harassed and beaten by a group of black thugs over July 4th and then attacks a white police officer for racism, because it's his buddy. No, there is no racism here. These type of actions and or lack thereof are what civil wars are made of. A man should always be judged by his actions and not his race, something our President could learn.

[Gleipnir]

The Trinity United Church of Christ is not a racist militant organization.
Say what you want about the overzealous and loaded sermons of Jeremiah Wright but not the Church as a whole. It has a history that precedes not only Wright, but Obama too.

The Black Panther fiasco is a little shady but wasn't it the Department of Justice political appointees who dropped the charges with the following to say about the matter:

"The Justice Department was successful in obtaining an injunction that prohibits the defendant who brandished a weapon outside a Philadelphia polling place from doing so again. Claims were dismissed against the other defendants based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law. The department is committed to the vigorous prosecution of those who intimidate, threaten or coerce anyone exercising his or her sacred right to vote."

Attacks a White police officer?
Attacks is some strong language for an admittedly poorly thought out remark. I'm not sure that racism was the primary motivations for his comments.
You seem pretty convinced but just for emphasis :


"Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof he was in own home"

And Civil war? Getting a tad carried away aren't you?

[11 Bravo]

Don't you know that constantly mis****ouncing "Noo Cue Ler", starting a war with the dudes that weren't actually involved in 9/11 whilst pretending they were, because what the hell, they're arabs or some sh*t and Toby Keith wrote some song about kickin' ass, is exactly the same as saying a white cop acted stupidly for arresting your asshole friend? It's exactly the same, except for that whole casualties thing.

Hey .. it's the pot calling the kettle black here... oh craploa that might be as racist construed as arresting an ignorant bigmouth minority guy with connections whom thinks he's above it all to include the whitey cop guy.
Jeez Joe... you really reached on this non biased POV.

[CMNot]

Obama attends a RACIST MILITANT church for twenty years

Woo, capitals. Very important.

[sct1886]

One only needs to listen to Wright and his HATE filled sermons to rightfully conclude he is a militant individual whom only needs a spark. The Black Panther fiasco was BLATANT. If this was a bunch of Klansmen they would be burned at the stake and I would support it. Are you so damn naive to believe the President did not support this? It told me Obama is supportive of these crack head hate filled moronic butt wipes. The police officer was not physically attacked, yes. He was attacked verbally and worse yet, his reputation. The professor should be bitch slapped and horse whipped for using racism to justify his jackass stupidity. The reverse racism I have seen and first hand experienced in my lifetime will come home to roost if justice is not equally meted. The Christian murders are a perfect example. The couple was beaten, raped, tortured and murdered. Apparently it is OK, it was a black on white crime. Civil War an exaggeration? Do you watch the news, crack a few history books? We are at a very ugly cross roads economically and socially. If the economy melts down further so will our society.

Christian murders:http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

[California Joe]

Hey .. it's the pot calling the kettle black here... oh craploa that might be as racist construed as arresting an ignorant bigmouth minority guy with connections whom thinks he's above it all to include the whitey cop guy.
Jeez Joe... you really reached on this non biased POV.

Hehehe hey I fully support the cop in this issue. Usually though when I say something like that, someone claims I'm biased from having been one.

[Hollis]

Beck makes a extreme statement, that is what he does. He sells himself. So what is new?

Is Obama a racist because he jumped the gun and supported some he knew before all the information was in? NO, he just acted out of friendship and acted inappropriately.

The bases of racism is when another person race is part of how a person sees them.

Do you see Obama as president or a black man

Do you see the Cop who arrested Gates a white man or a cop.

If race is part of the picture then that is the bases of racism, while it is no where near the nastiness as racial taunts that would be shouted by some supremest group, it is still in the world of racism.

Gates played the race card, why? Maybe because Gates is egotistical, narcissistic, and so full of his greatness that the rest of humanity must make accommodations for him. The cop didn't so now the cop is a bad guy, and to play the bad guy thing up, Gates plays the race card. There is also the money issue.

How does that relate to Obama being a racist..... I haven't a clue. Obama recanted what he said in haste and in support of a friend (maybe not best word choice).


BTW, being a racist or not being a racist is not based on ones own race. It is a human condition on how we are taught to see other people. Do we see them as a individual or part of some collective group who all have the same attributes. (stereotypes)

[Fargin]

If Obama can racist, so can I.

Glenn Beck is as bad as keith olbermann is and they are populist scum sucking themselves on live tv.

[Gleipnir]

One only needs to listen to Wright and his HATE filled sermons to rightfully conclude he is a militant individual whom only needs a spark. The Black Panther fiasco was BLATANT. If this was a bunch of Klansmen they would be burned at the stake and I would support it. Are you so damn naive to believe the President did not support this? It told me Obama is supportive of these crack head hate filled moronic butt wipes. The police officer was not physically attacked, yes. He was attacked verbally and worse yet, his reputation. The professor should be bitch slapped and horse whipped for using racism to justify his jackass stupidity. The reverse racism I have seen and first hand experienced in my lifetime will come home to roost if justice is not equally meted. The Christian murders are a perfect example. The couple was beaten, raped, tortured and murdered. Apparently it is OK, it was a black on white crime. Civil War an exaggeration? Do you watch the news, crack a few history books? We are at a very ugly cross roads economically and socially. If the economy melts down further so will our society.

Christian murders:http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

I think that you have already made up your mind about something and use unconnected elements to fit into your rather extreme feelings that we are on the brink of some kind of civil war (and what I assume you to be hinting at is some kind of race war)

A militant individual who only needs a spark?
A spark to do what?
To rally a Christian community who sought an alternative to joining radical Muslim groups or radical Black Nationalist groups in Urban Chicago?
To rally them to do what? To go wage war with Whitey?

You don't know what you are on about and your half-thought out conspiracy theories strike me as ones that need far closer, rational and less emotive examination.

That 'Black Panther fiasco' was not blatant. I am not sure where you are pulling Obama's role in this from- if you could provide a source that isn't a blog or obviously biased?

If it were a bunch of klansmen? How can you be so sure? I love how you can just dream up scenarios to support your rather thin case without any kind of real evidence. I am sure that the Department of Justice would do their utmost to follow through on their 'commitment to the vigorous prosecution of those who intimidate, threaten or coerce anyone exercising his or her sacred right to vote.'

Furthermore, you make it seem as if absolutely nothing was done, which is contrary to what happened-

The department was "successful in obtaining an injunction that prohibits the defendant who brandished a weapon outside a Philadelphia polling place from doing so again," spokesman Alejandro Miyar said. "Claims were dismissed against the other defendants based on a careful assessment of the facts and the law."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1

Concerning your comments about me being damn naive- there is no source that suggests Obama played a big role in this at all. If you could provide one then maybe you may influence my thinking.
I try not to see conspiracies in everything, possibly because I don't have a pre-conceived idea that I need evidence to fit into to support - which strikes me as being the case for your gloom and doom impending race war.


It told me Obama is supportive of these crack head hate filled moronic butt wipes.

Crack head? Settle down with the negative stereotyping sct1886.

If you could provide me some sources for
BLATANT support of the three individuals from Obama maybe I will be less quick to consider your assessment as ir-rational.


The professor should be bitch slapped and horse whipped for using racism to justify his jackass stupidity

Horse whipped?
I think I have some rather blatant evidence to start making some theories myself.

What the Professor did was foolish, there is no doubt there. I don't see why his actions make Obama a racist?

Bringing the two men together later to have a dialogue at the so called 'beer summit' seemed like a constructive approach to me.
I think people let their emotions get the better of them that day and contrary to your suggestion, Officer Crowley emerged with his reputation in tact.

To address your concerns in regards to the Christian murders you say the following-


Apparently it is OK, it was a black on white crime

Who said anything about it being okay? Justice was served- They were arrested and indicted.

I love how you provided me a link that basically gives your same opinion, I would have preferred a more objective source that allowed me to formulate my own opinion on the matter, but while we are on the subject, the link you provided me has nothing to say about Obama.
It says that the story was wrongly ignored by the media.
In fact, it doesn't even mention Obama at all- so what, pray tell, does Obama have to do with this?

Furthermore:


"There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime," said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. "It was a terrible crime, a horrendous crime, but race was not a motive. We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there's evidence to the contrary."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/premium/chi-murders_bdjun10,0,5653843.story

Perhaps the lack of an affiliation (of the murderers) to a 'militant racist' organization is a key factor in this assessment.

I'm not saying that the lack of media coverage is justified, but to suggest that somehow Obama covered this up and that this is evidence of his racism and of an impending race war to me sounds like ridiculous conspiracy theories.


Civil War an exaggeration? Do you watch the news, crack a few history books? We are at a very ugly cross roads economically and socially. If the economy melts down further so will our society.

I read the news. I have read countless history books.
What does our economy 'melting down' have to do with racism? I'm sorry but your connections leave me rather confused.

Despite the 'evidence' you have tried to show me, I still conclude that there is no impending race war and that despite what you say, there is little to suggest that Obama has 'BLATANT' racist motivations. I do have a somewhat different understanding of you however.
Anyways, be well - maybe it is time to put the White Album away?

@HOLLiS - excellent post.

[Laconian]

Bringing the two men together later to have a dialogue at the so called 'beer summit' seemed like a constructive approach to me.
I think people let their emotions get the better of them that day and contrary to your suggestion, Officer Crowley emerged with his reputation in tact.



It wasn't constructive, it was a publicity ploy by an embarrassed White House to make it seem like something is going to come from all this. The only thing coming from this is that hopefully, the President of the United States won't open his yap about a misdemeanor arrest that has no bearing on anything. As far I as can see the only person with emotion getting the better of them that day was the professor; according to all sources the cop performed his law enforcement function in a textbook fashion, used minimal force to effect the arrest and continued to treat the professor courteously and professionally throughout the encounter. He emerged with his reputation in tact because a bunch of folks, including his CoC, took issue with the President saying he acted stupidly.

[Gleipnir]

Laconian, in regards to the two people I mention letting their emotions get to the better of them, I was referring to Gates and Obama.
I thought my previous posts made that quite clear.

But just for additional clarity - I have made no negative remarks concerning the conduct or actions of Officer Crowley because I have nothing negative to say about his conduct or actions. I think he did his job to the best of his abilities in a difficult and loaded situation.

As for the 'beer summit'- although anything done by the White House carries a stigma of being a mere publicity ploy, from what I understand, Obama behaved as the instigator for a meeting between Crowley and Gates so that they could have a dialogue with one another. Personally, I find that more constructive than public apologies and speeches written by others delivered via teleprompter.
From what I understand, it was Officer Crowley who suggested it:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6734340.ece
Whether or not the actual meeting was constructive is up to those involved, but I think it is a nice idea.
Despite what may have been said there (only they will know) it did give Gates an opportunity to make amends as well as giving Obama the chance to do so as well and hopefully for all involved to reach some kind of mutual understanding.

[Laconian]

Gleipnir, almost anything done by any administration is done for political purposes and I know that. Had no one in the press gone batsh*t over this incident, the summit would never have happened and that was my point. It will not serve as a gateway to dealing with racial issues in this country, it was done to keep that one little political ball (his intial comment) from spinning out of control.

As for your emotions out of control comment I apologize for misunderstanding your intent. I've seen a bunch of comments that blame the officer for making an arrest, saying he was just as culpable for what happened as Gates was.

[Johnnyringo]

It wasn't constructive, it was a publicity ploy by an embarrassed White House to make it seem like something is going to come from all this. The only thing coming from this is that hopefully, the President of the United States won't open his yap about a misdemeanor arrest that has no bearing on anything. As far I as can see the only person with emotion getting the better of them that day was the professor; according to all sources the cop performed his law enforcement function in a textbook fashion, used minimal force to effect the arrest and continued to treat the professor courteously and professionally throughout the encounter. He emerged with his reputation in tact because a bunch of folks, including his CoC, took issue with the President saying he acted stupidly.

Maybe both guys realized that an incident they were a party to was being sensationalized by the national media... and looked to calm the masses by a strategic photo op rather than be a lightning rod for racial divide?

I think there's enough embarrassment to go around in this case...

[chauncy republicans]

and looked to calm the masses by a strategic photo op rather than be a lightning rod for racial divide?
Yeah, a little late for that. The other day I was watching CNN, and they had Anne Coultier and Al Sharpton on spewing garbage out of their mouths at each other. Seems to me this has all been a very calculated publicity stunt.

[okiebugg]

Obama attends a RACIST MILITANT church for twenty years, one of his first acts is to dismiss charges against Black Panthers for intimidating Boston polls, he totally ignores a white family harassed and beaten by a group of black thugs over July 4th and then attacks a white police officer for racism, because it's his buddy. No, there is no racism here. These type of actions and or lack thereof are what civil wars are made of. A man should always be judged by his actions and not his race, something our President could learn.

Better watch what you say...............

There more than a few that gave me hell for saying a similar diatribe about civil war, or revolutionary thiking. LOL are you a bigot???:roll:

[Mastermind]

The Obama back lash is going to be one of the best revolutions this nation ever experienced...and it is happeng today...go look at the news regarding the horrors the Senators and Congress critt4rs are facing in their "Town Hall Meetings" they are attending during the August break...they are horrified....how dare the american people speak to them like that? Don't the people know these Senators and Congress people are demigods...answerable only to the Lords of the Democrap party?

Alen Specter (RHINO - Republican) about shat his britches when he tried to speak to a crowd of sign carrying American citizens about "Fast Decisions on legislation"...The crowd about went wild with rage.

The Revolution is happening as we write today...join it as soon as possible...you'll enjoy it.

[skipperbob]

The Obama back lash is going to be one of the best revolutions this nation ever experienced...and it is happeng today...go look at the news regarding the horrors the Senators and Congress critt4rs are facing in their "Town Hall Meetings" they are attending during the August break...they are horrified....how dare the american people speak to them like that? Don't the people know these Senators and Congress people are demigods...answerable only to the Lords of the Democrap party?

Alen Specter (RHINO - Republican) about shat his britches when he tried to speak to a crowd of sign carrying American citizens about "Fast Decisions on legislation"...The crowd about went wild with rage.

The Revolution is happening as we write today...join it as soon as possible...you'll enjoy it.

"American People" my a**! These so called "spontaneous demonstrations" being held at Town Hall meetings around the country are being bought and payed for by the Republicans and the insurance lobbies. They are about as "spontaneous" as the lame "Tea Parties " of a couple months ago. I went to a meeting in Syacuse recently and there were people there with genuine questions and concerns, looking for answers and all they got were a bunch of idiots in the audience shouting down anyone that didn't agree with them. The scripts that these people are given to harass and break up meetings has been leaked and shows just how phoney these people are! The Republicans have no answers so all they try to do is spread ridiculous rumors and lies to distort this legislation. If the insurance lobbies are so dead set against any reforms then I figure there must be some good in it, or do you think these companies have our best interest at heart? Hah!

[59Diesel]

"American People" my a**! These so called "spontaneous demonstrations" being held at Town Hall meetings around the country are being bought and payed for by the Republicans and the insurance lobbies. They are about as "spontaneous" as the lame "Tea Parties " of a couple months ago. I went to a meeting in Syacuse recently and there were people there with genuine questions and concerns, looking for answers and all they got were a bunch of idiots in the audience shouting down anyone that didn't agree with them. The scripts that these people are given to harass and break up meetings has been leaked and shows just how phoney these people are! The Republicans have no answers so all they try to do is spread ridiculous rumors and lies to distort this legislation. If the insurance lobbies are so dead set against any reforms then I figure there must be some good in it, or do you think these companies have our best interest at heart? Hah!

Well you have been going to the wrong ones. Cause the Big Government backlash is going strong. Libertarians are on the rise. Independents and Democrats where even at the one I attended in Columbus Ohio. With the Judge himself speaking. It was a great movement.



When Government fear people their is Liberty, When people fear the Government there is tyranny! - Thomas Jefferson


We have been slowing going down hill from are founding fathers. People are starting to relize it this has been growing since Clinton Era.

Theese Tea Parties where started while Bush was in Office have any say in that?

Not bought out. Face it Big Government for the most part is going down by the average American.

Only ones sticking to it are the ones with the Entitlement Mentality or there own Agenda.

[Laconian]

"American People" my a**! These so called "spontaneous demonstrations" being held at Town Hall meetings around the country are being bought and payed for by the Republicans and the insurance lobbies. They are about as "spontaneous" as the lame "Tea Parties " of a couple months ago. I went to a meeting in Syacuse recently and there were people there with genuine questions and concerns, looking for answers and all they got were a bunch of idiots in the audience shouting down anyone that didn't agree with them. The scripts that these people are given to harass and break up meetings has been leaked and shows just how phoney these people are! The Republicans have no answers so all they try to do is spread ridiculous rumors and lies to distort this legislation. If the insurance lobbies are so dead set against any reforms then I figure there must be some good in it, or do you think these companies have our best interest at heart? Hah!

And the lobbies and protests done by ACORN and other Democrat/left-leaning lobbies have been the model of civility, right? As some people are pissed at the current system; some people are pissed at the proposed one.

Do you seriously think somebody looking to overload our debt has your best interest at heart, or are they pandering to a group of folks by promising something for nothing? If the health care bill being proposed is so great-for everyone-Congress wouldn't have exempted themselves from it. They're not going to be serving free Bubble-Up and Rainbow Stew anytime soon.

[skipperbob]

Congress exempted themselves from it because they already have the best insurance possible! Payed for by the US! They have exactly what so many of them say is so bad - Socialized Medicine! Why is it that the US is the only western country with out some type of universal protection? Because the insurance lobbies don't want it! OK, this plan isn't perfect - but what is the alternative? Costs are skyrocketing now so why is reform "too costly?" It all comes down to the Republicans have no answers of their own, they just don't want the Democrats to succed at anything! Leaving things as they are is not a solution - let's hear something from the Republicans that is a real attempt at reform instead of the distortions and gibberish you get from them now!

[Jobu]

Congress exempted themselves from it because they already have the best insurance possible! Payed for by the US! They have exactly what so many of them say is so bad - Socialized Medicine! Why is it that the US is the only western country with out some type of universal protection? Because the insurance lobbies don't want it! OK, this plan isn't perfect - but what is the alternative? Costs are skyrocketing now so why is reform "too costly?" It all comes down to the Republicans have no answers of their own, they just don't want the Democrats to succed at anything! Leaving things as they are is not a solution - let's hear something from the Republicans that is a real attempt at reform instead of the distortions and gibberish you get from them now!


Tort reform, co-ops, better regulated insurance industry for a start.

Those 3, among other things, would bring costs down.

I await your reply.

[skipperbob]

[QUOTE=59Diesel;4313778]Well you have been going to the wrong ones. Cause the Big Government backlash is going strong. Libertarians are on the rise. Independents and Democrats where even at the one I attended in Columbus Ohio. With the Judge himself speaking. It was a great movement.



We have been slowing going down hill from are founding fathers. People are starting to relize it this has been growing since Clinton Era.

Theese Tea Parties where started while Bush was in Office have any say in that?

Not bought out. Face it Big Government for the most part is going down by the average American.

Only ones sticking to it are the ones with the Entitlement Mentality or there own Agenda.[/QUOTE

I am sure it was a great meeting, everyone following their scripts to express their "Outrage!" Was anyone else allowed to talk or just these phoney demonstators?

It's funny you blame this on Clinton! People like you at least go back to FDR to to start our downfall!

And Tea Parties started during Bush? Really? How come the "Liberal Media" weren't all over that story as another way to be anti-Bush! I know why Fox wouldn't have covered them but I can't believe no one else would either.

You just keep enjoying your staged and scripted revolution sponsored by the Right Wing and insurance lobbies!

[skipperbob]

Tort reform, co-ops, better regulated insurance industry for a start.

Those 3, among other things, would bring costs down.

I await your reply.

Sounds like a good start! And what Republicans are backing this and willing to fight the lawyers and insurance lobbies to get it passed? Not many I think!

[Jobu]

Sounds like a good start! And what Republicans are backing this and willing to fight the lawyers and insurance lobbies to get it passed? Not many I think!

The Wyden-Bennett Act addresses some of what I wrote. It has some significant bipartisan support in the Senate.

[RxOnco]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/obama3(4).jpg

I'm not sure what the point is. Obama is a racist. Everyone knows that.

[Gleipnir]

cool story, bro

[59Diesel]

I am sure it was a great meeting, everyone following their scripts to express their "Outrage!" Was anyone else allowed to talk or just these phoney demonstators?

It's funny you blame this on Clinton! People like you at least go back to FDR to to start our downfall!

And Tea Parties started during Bush? Really? How come the "Liberal Media" weren't all over that story as another way to be anti-Bush! I know why Fox wouldn't have covered them but I can't believe no one else would either.

You just keep enjoying your staged and scripted revolution sponsored by the Right Wing and insurance lobbies!

I do go back to FDR but the Governement Backlash has really picked up since Clinton mainly cause of his AWB.

The Judge is not phoney also is a Libertarian. Staged and scripted is not true thats what you and the liberal media brainwashed followers believe.

I will enjoy my insurance. I pay for it out of my on costs. Cause unlike you I didn't Enjoy the VA and im sure there are many on here that will back me of that statement.

Many other Military/LEO/ and Firefighters pay for their own insurance. Cause government provided just isn't up to par. Unless you have 30 kids a drug problem and live in the slums.

Then they will give you all the treatment you want. Cause they are to lazy to get off their butts gets a job and have a better life.