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hist2004
07-04-2004, 09:44 AM
His Life: As President and Autobiographer, Clinton's Focus Was Not Terrorism

Scripps Howard News Service
July 01, 2004

President Clinton's autobiography, “My Life,” is like Clinton's life – oversized, unabashedly self-serving and rather hard to read.

But I'm not going to review “My Life,” nor even read it cover to cover. At 957 pages, “My Life” is too long, and my life is too short to ponder further the saga of Monica, Paula, Gennifer, et al.

I have, however, read everything Clinton wrote in this memoir about terrorism, al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and national security. There actually isn't much. His first mention of terrorism is on page 574. Al Qaeda doesn't appear until page 797.

Let me say -- for the record – I'm no Clinton hater. I met Clinton once and found him smart and charming. He did some good things in foreign policy. For example, he intervened in Kosovo and Bosnia -- not because there were Weapons of Mass Destruction there, but for humanitarian reasons. I thought that was the right principle then and that it has remained the right principle, although the humanitarian case for intervention was far more compelling in Iraq than in the Balkans.

Clinton may have recognized that. He signed the Iraq Liberation Act in1998 making Saddam the one dictator in the world that Washington aimed to topple. Again, President Clinton was right to make that official U.S. policy, just as President Bush was right to implement that Clinton policy five years later.

Clinton undertook serious efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. At Camp David in 2000, he persuaded then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak to offer PLO leader Yasser Arafat virtually everything Arafat had said he wanted. Clinton writes that the deal was “so good I couldn't believe anyone would be foolish enough to let it go.” But Arafat did. What Clinton calls “Arafat's refusal to make peace” demonstrated that as long as Arafat wields power, terrorism against Israel will continue -- and Israel will have no choice but to defend herself.

Anti-American terrorism didn't begin while Clinton was in the White House but it increased sharply during his presidency with the first World Trade Center attack, the Khobar Towers bombing, the slaughters at our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the attack on the USS Cole.

Only once, when he lobbed missiles into a tent camp in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical weapons factory in Sudan, did Clinton respond in anything that could be called a forceful manner.

Clinton says he considered doing more – such as taking out a couple of al Qaeda's terrorist training camps in Afghanistan to “show them how serious we were.” But surely, after repeated terrorist attacks the mission was not to “show seriousness” – a goal worthy of a public relations executive -- but to destroy all terrorist training camps that could be located before they graduated more mass murderers – a military/strategic goal worthy of the commander-in-chief.

In those camps, Clinton neglects to note, bin Laden would eventually train 20,000 terrorists. Most of those terrorists are still out there today, planting explosive devices in Iraq or planning to kill your family and mine here at home.

Clinton writes that he wanted to do more, but the Pentagon told him it was too hard to send in Special Forces. The CIA said it “lacked the paramilitary capability” to capture or kill bin Laden.

I don't think Winston Churchill would have been satisfied with such answers. I think Churchill would have said: “Get the job done or I'll bloody well find someone who will.”

Failing that, Clinton might have ordered an overhaul of the CIA and the military, demanding that these institutions be re-structured to meet the challenges they were not prepared to handle. But that would have meant telling Americans: “I know you want that peace dividend. I'm sorry. We have enemies out there. We have to deal with them.”

Clinton writes that, at one point, he did consider a “large-scale bombing campaign of all suspected campsites or a sizable invasion.” But he decided “neither was feasible without a finding of al Qaeda responsibility for the Cole” bombing.

I simply don't understand that. What about the bombing of our African embassies two years earlier? Did Clinton think the statute of limitations had run out on those acts of mass murder?

He doesn't explain. And that's not all he leaves out. He writes nothing about the radical ideologies sweeping through the Islamic world, nothing about Wahhabism and Ba'athism, nothing about the effectiveness of terrorism as a means to demoralize and ultimately destroy the Free World, nothing about the strategies that can defeat terrorism and the hateful ideas that justify and drive it. In fact, in nearly 1,000 pages, he never really discusses national security at all.

Clinton does say he wishes he had killed bin Laden. But he seems to see bin Laden as just another name on his enemies list – Ken Starr in a turban.

That's the main point I take away from my partial reading of “My Life.” Caught up in his life -- his relationships, his ambitions, his appetites, his feuds – Clinton appears never to have understood, or even seriously thought about, the world-historic changes that were taking place during his watch.

In the end, I think history will judge Bill Clinton as a brilliant and beguiling politician who was feckless on the issue that mattered most; a man who got caught up in teapot tempests and failed to see terrible storms gathering on the horizon. “My Life” will provide them with evidence.

Regards,
Hist2004

KML
07-04-2004, 11:57 AM
Bush was'nt so interested in the begining of his term either

hist2004
07-04-2004, 12:25 PM
Both administrations underestimated the terrorist threat.

Regards,
Hist2004

vryhpyammoadded
07-04-2004, 02:07 PM
Hey hist2004…Here’s some personal insight for the era.

I found it very frustrating most of the Clinton years. Alerts and warnings seemed to just disappear into nothing. It wasn’t until almost the end of the administration that they began to take notice and ask for more data. Too late!
At the time, my personal feelings were that the administration was too engrossed in having fun wheeling and dealing all sorts of political favors amongst their friends and allies. This is what I’ve oft refereed to as the great American VS day (Victory over the Soviets decade) keg party. Screw the world, lets party like its 1999!

By the way, don’t blame the US and allies’ intelligence people for the screw ups. They did there job and dam well. These are among some of the finest, hardest working and most honorable people. All the good data in the world doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if an administration is distracted or chooses to disbelieve, ignore or delay reaction.

Well, who wants to listen to doomsayers anyway when you’re making buckets of money living high on the hog?

It just ticks me off that it took knocking down the WTC to get this problem delt with.

vryhpyammoadded
07-04-2004, 02:21 PM
Oh, I almost forgot. My theory on why the Clinton administration was ignoring the data.
“What, invade Afghanistan, eliminate the terror camps? We’ll lose our constituency!”

Tane Angle
07-04-2004, 03:43 PM
We've already had this discussion on here a few times, but that's no reason no to have it again. ;)

In my humble opinion, I hate to say it, but no US President has satisfyingly fought terrorism, not even our current President.

All of the noted problems with Democrat President Clinton could be and have been noted about Republican President Reagan as well. With all due respect for the dead, the calls made by the Reagan administration in regards to terrorism were naive and stupid. They exposed us to and encouraged further attacks. They sent a clear message that the US would not respond to acts of terrorism, emboldening terrorists who were already operating with impunity around the world.

It wasn't a matter of inadequate or insufficient reliable, actionable intelligence. There was plenty of that. It was a matter of inadequate and insufficient intelligence in the heads of the Administration. They had no idea what they were dealing with, and ignored anyone who tried to explain to them what was really going on and what really should be done. They were over-simplistic, and it cost people their lives. The Administration ignored the plethora of strike options before them.

What's more, the Administration cared more about supplying the Contras than it did about abiding by the Oaths of Office each official took when taking office. We abandoned our people for the sake of getting a few bucks to a group that the US Congress had already ordered the President not to fund. We're still paying for that mistake with American lives.

And they never learned from their mistakes. To this day, Reagan's SECDEF still swears that the Administration made the right call in abandoning the hostages and never striking at known camps. If I can find his quotes, I'll type them up. They are that explicit and conscious.

I'm all for looking at Clinton's failings so that we can learn from them. Many of them are widely known. I'm also for doing the same with the other Presidents, regardless of political party. Some of the other mistakes are lesser known, but no less relevant.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

PeoplesPoster
07-04-2004, 11:42 PM
We've already had this discussion on here a few times, but that's no reason no to have it again. ;)

In my humble opinion, I hate to say it, but no US President has satisfyingly fought terrorism, not even our current President.

All of the noted problems with Democrat President Clinton could be and have been noted about Republican President Reagan as well. With all due respect for the dead, the calls made by the Reagan administration in regards to terrorism were naive and stupid. They exposed us to and encouraged further attacks. They sent a clear message that the US would not respond to acts of terrorism, emboldening terrorists who were already operating with impunity around the world.

It wasn't a matter of inadequate or insufficient reliable, actionable intelligence. There was plenty of that. It was a matter of inadequate and insufficient intelligence in the heads of the Administration. They had no idea what they were dealing with, and ignored anyone who tried to explain to them what was really going on and what really should be done. They were over-simplistic, and it cost people their lives. The Administration ignored the plethora of strike options before them.

What's more, the Administration cared more about supplying the Contras than it did about abiding by the Oaths of Office each official took when taking office. We abandoned our people for the sake of getting a few bucks to a group that the US Congress had already ordered the President not to fund. We're still paying for that mistake with American lives.

And they never learned from their mistakes. To this day, Reagan's SECDEF still swears that the Administration made the right call in abandoning the hostages and never striking at known camps. If I can find his quotes, I'll type them up. They are that explicit and conscious.

I'm all for looking at Clinton's failings so that we can learn from them. Many of them are widely known. I'm also for doing the same with the other Presidents, regardless of political party. Some of the other mistakes are lesser known, but no less relevant.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

Well said.

vryhpyammoadded
07-05-2004, 12:26 AM
Wise words again TA.
I was simply sharing my personal experience/frustrations of the 90s and place only what slice of the whole blame pie I feel should be credited to the CIC of that time. Yes, other administrations should also get a slice seeing this issue goes way back.
At least the politicians seem to be listening a little better now that OBL got everyone’s attention but, who’s to say they will ever act upon the data wisely since each succeeding faction has its own agenda that effects the decision making process in its own screwy way. US diplomatic policy has seemed dam schizophrenic these past few decades.

obd
07-05-2004, 12:37 AM
Lets not forget how much of his term current president Bush spent on vacation chasing after armidillo's in Texas and playing golf before 9/11......Seems our current president wasnt interested in much of anything accept where the next putting green was in the months leading up to 9/11 attacks................

Kilgor
07-05-2004, 12:39 AM
Lets not forget how much of his term current president Bush spent on vacation chasing after armidillo's in Texas and playing golf before 9/11......Seems our current president wasnt interested in much of anything accept where the next putting green was in the months leading up to 9/11 attacks................

is that straight from michael moores mouth or yours ?

cant think for ourselfs... can we ?

KB
07-05-2004, 01:00 AM
Clinton didn't have an ounce of guts in him...can't think of a situation where he ever "bet his bars" on a major policy decision; the healthcare initiative excluded as that was a decision by committee. The hasty withdrawal from Somalia in '93 was not one of the US' finest hours, as was the lack of retaliation for Khobar Towers and the USS Cole attack. Unfortunately, the inaction of Clinton against terrorism in the '90s mirrored the Reagan Administration's underhanded dealings with the Iranian sponsored terrorists in Lebanon in the '80s.

However, given how besieged Clinton was with investigations into his personal life, and his well known difficulties dealing with the military due to his anti-war activities, its hard to conceive of him being able to effectively do more than he did. Remember, he got a lot of criticism for firing cruise missiles into Afghanistan and Sudan after the embassy attacks in Africa; the US media claimed it was "wag the dog".

Tane Angle
07-05-2004, 01:58 AM
At least President Carter said "Go." Just a thought...

Kilgor
07-05-2004, 02:22 AM
carter bashing is cool though :P

At the party, the guests file into the hall in a grotesque death-march
bearing their gifts. {Reagan and Nixon march in past the guards, but
Bush is pulled aside.}

Guard: {Hey!}
{[President Bush grunts]}
{No one-termers. [tosses him out]}
Carter: {You too, huh? Hey, I know a good yogurt place.}
Bush: {Get away from me, loser.}

vryhpyammoadded
07-05-2004, 02:31 AM
At least President Carter said "Go." Just a thought...
I actually kind of liked Carter but DC, world events and the economy just wouldn't be kind to him. Oh well, “malaise forever” as per the Simpsons ;)

Surprisingly enough, Carter may have done some really gutsy bluffing concerning the Middle East, especially when the Soviets were concerned.
Anyone tell me if there's truth to this rumor. Did Carter really give theater commanders nuclear release if Russian troops crossed into Iran in late 79 or was that all a well aimed "leak" at the diplomats and KGB to pull Soviet troops back from the boarder?

Kilgor
07-05-2004, 02:38 AM
Foxnews headline: Jimmy Carter: Old, Wrinkly, useless.

I love the simpsons humour :P

vryhpyammoadded
07-05-2004, 02:41 AM
carter bashing is cool though :P
And then there's Gerald R. Ford. The lucky one who was parolled early.
Great Simpson's episode...
Ford: Homer, do you like beer? They both trip. DOH!

Sorry, off subject ;)

Kilgor
07-05-2004, 02:56 AM
one of my favourite eppisodes

Marge and Homer go through old things in the attic in preparation for
the big sale.

Marge: Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T-shirt? Khomeini died years
ago.
Homer: But, Marge! It works on _any_ Ayatollah: Ayatollah Nakhbadeh,
Ayatollah Zahedi...even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his
cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.
Marge: I don't care _who's_ consolidating their power.
[holds up something else] Well, we don't need _this_.