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hulaku
08-03-2009, 12:43 AM
By MUNIR AHMED and ASIF SHAHZAD (AP) – 1 day ago

ISLAMABAD — Days of rioting between Christians and Muslims in eastern Pakistan following allegations that a Quran was defiled escalated Saturday, leaving six Christians dead, including a child, authorities said.
Members of a banned Muslim organization began torching Christian homes in the Punjabi city of Gorja on Thursday after accusing them of desecrating pages from Islam's holy book, Federal Minister for Minorities Shahbaz Bhatti said.

"There is no truth in the allegation," he told The Associated Press, adding that he had himself visited Gojra on Friday and asked police to provide protection to Christians who were facing threats.

He accused the police of ignoring his instructions and said hundreds of radical Muslims on Saturday burned more Christians homes and killed six, including four women and a child.

Television footage from the scene showed houses burning and streets strewn with debris and blackened furniture as mobs ran at each other. Local media also reported gunfights had broken out between Christian and Muslim communities and that rioters had blocked the local railway line.
Pakistan is predominantly a Sunni Muslim state where Christians are a tiny minority. Although the two sides generally live peacefully, since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the U.S., pro-Taliban militants have periodically targeted churches and Christians, suspecting them of sympathizing with Washington.

Bhatti said the attackers belonged to the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba group, which is accused of launching attacks against the security forces and carrying out bombs attacks at public places in the country in recent years.

Punjab law minister Rana Sanaullah said authorities had investigated the allegation of a Quran being defaced "and our initial reports say that there has not been any incident of desecration."

Sanaullah said that although the situation had calmed down by Friday, "some miscreants and extremists entered the city today and pushed people toward armed clashes."

Another minister, Dost Mohammad Khosa, said the issue of the alleged desecration had been settled.

"Today, somebody opened fire at a peaceful rally that was passing by a Christian neighborhood. That made things worse. We are sure some miscreant elements have tried to exploit the situation," he said.
Faislabad Commissioner Tahir Hussain told local television that representatives of the two communities were to meet later Saturday in an effort to calm the situation.

Elsewhere, police officials said Saturday they had arrested a member of an outlawed, al-Qaida-linked group that was suspected of involvement in the 2002 beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
Rao Shakir, a purported member of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, was arrested on the outskirts of Islamabad late Friday, a police official said.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

Lashkar-e-Jhangvi is a banned Sunni Muslim militant group linked to both the Taliban and al-Qaida and has been blamed for killing scores of minority Shiites across Pakistan. Its members have been accused of attacks against Westerners in Karachi, including Pearl's killing and the September 2008 truck bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad.

The group is also believed responsible for two failed assassination attempts against Pakistan's former military ruler, Pervez Musharraf, as well as for several suicide bombings, including one that targeted a bus of Pakistan's premier spy agency, the ISI.

Another investigator, who also spoke on condition of anonymity for the same reason, said police were questioning Shakir over five bombings. He said authorities believe he is also responsible for facilitating other terrorist attacks and that he provided safe houses for militants.

Pearl was abducted from Karachi in 2002 while researching a story on Islamic militancy. His remains were later found in a shallow grave on eastern outskirts of the city.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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Kit
08-03-2009, 12:57 AM
Was this Christian-Muslim violence always there at this level? Seems like there are more of these incidents more often in Pakistan these days. I wonder if the Taliban is pulling some strings here.

hulaku
08-03-2009, 01:02 AM
Actually the non-Muslim minorities in Pakistan have always faced the brunt of the Islamic Blasphemy Law under which a Muslim can accuse a non-Muslim of making statements against the Prophet or the Koran.

Accusing somebody of blasphemy is an easy way to whip up the emotions of the touchy fundamentslists who the carry out these kind of atrocities.

[ KOOSHAB ]
08-03-2009, 03:09 AM
What backward-#ss logic
"You burn my holy book? I take your life!"

I thought God was the one who was suppose to do the judging.

hulaku
08-03-2009, 03:35 AM
Mufti Muneeb hints involvement of foreign hand in Gojra violence

ISLAMABAD: Chairman Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman while terming the Gojra incident unfortunate said that the involvement of foreign hand in that incident can not be ruled out.

Talking to a private TV channel, Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman said that foreign elements always tried to destabilize Pakistan by hatching conspiracies.

He urged that the media can play an important role to control such incidents.

Responding to a question, he said that the holy Quran was desecrated but the government has the power to take action and the people instead of take law into their hand should inform the law enforcement departments.



http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=149467

Conspiracy theories coming up : Is it the Indians, Americans or the Juice ?

dredger14
08-03-2009, 08:18 PM
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=8676

black mamba
08-03-2009, 11:05 PM
'always' the case?

the blasphemy law didnt exist before 1980s. it was introduced by zia ul haq. please try to read up on history before u start putting ideas into ur head. i am really sad that india's education system is so biased.

acosta
08-03-2009, 11:11 PM
deja vu ...

Aeroflot
08-03-2009, 11:54 PM
Actually the non-Muslim minorities in Pakistan have always faced the brunt of the Islamic Blasphemy Law under which a Muslim can accuse a non-Muslim of making statements against the Prophet or the Koran.

Accusing somebody of blasphemy is an easy way to whip up the emotions of the touchy fundamentslists who the carry out these kind of atrocities.

Sounds like witch burning. Maybe the Pakistanis need to read up on the Salem witch trials.

hulaku
08-04-2009, 12:10 AM
'always' the case?

the blasphemy law didnt exist before 1980s. it was introduced by zia ul haq. please try to read up on history before u start putting ideas into ur head. i am really sad that india's education system is so biased.

Any source from which we could educate ourselves on this?

Going in reverse is the best way to gop-)

PS: My education system taught me to use capital letters at the start of each sentence.

hulaku
08-04-2009, 12:16 AM
http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=8676

x 2

Excellent Article!

black mamba
08-04-2009, 01:42 AM
Blasphemy Laws
The Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) and the Criminal Procedure Code were amended, through ordinances in 1980, 1982 and 1986 to declare anything implying disrespect to Muhammad, Ahle Bait (family of the prophet), Sahaba (companions of the prophet) and Sha'ar-i-Islam (Islamic symbols), a cognizable offence, punishable with imprisonment or fine, or with both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zia-ul-Haq's_Islamization

Peanut
08-04-2009, 01:45 AM
What is this the 1300s'? Let them kill each other. They'd be doing the rest of us a favor.

hulaku
08-04-2009, 01:47 AM
Thanks for the reply Black mamba.

What are your views on the misuse of this law by individuals for personal vendettas especially against the Non-Muslims?

StinkyStreet
08-04-2009, 08:06 AM
;4311227']What backward-#ss logic
"You burn my holy book? I take your life!"

I thought God was the one who was suppose to do the judging.

Even some of the Islamic Scholars wonder if their Messiah was a Violent Bandit?

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139326430831&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

dredger14
08-04-2009, 08:31 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD99RL3N80


http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=191357

mario vicente
08-04-2009, 08:36 AM
Some muslims are so narrow-minded ,they always blame some one else in order to commit violence.:bash:

black mamba
08-04-2009, 09:44 AM
my personal opinion and the opinion of the majority of this country is that this law needs to be repealed. musharraf had the chance to do so and he didnt cuz he caved into those mad mullahs and the land lords who use this to benefit themselves. actually, it has been used more against muslims than non muslims to gain property and wealth or inheritance

Aeroflot
08-04-2009, 11:00 AM
Some people are so narrow-minded ,they always blame some one else in order to commit violence.:bash:

Fixed for you

Warlord
08-04-2009, 11:19 AM
I love it when I hear about these things.

It just reinforces my belief that Islam is all about the love.

acosta
08-08-2009, 07:09 AM
India's Shame

Delhi should crack down swiftly on the violence against Christians

For months, armed thugs in one state of eastern India have been burning churches, rampaging through villages and subjecting terrified Christians to forcible conversion to Hinduism. The violence has been instigated by nationalist Hindu groups that are targeting poor and weak Christian communities in a campaign aimed at halting conversions, driving out “alien” influences and reasserting the political supremacy of India's majority religion.

The violence is concentrated in Orissa, a poor state on the eastern seaboard where Christian missionaries have long been active. But in recent weeks the attacks have spread. Since August 24, according to the Roman Catholic Church in India, 300 Christian villages have been destroyed in Orissa, 4,400 houses burnt, 50,000 people made homeless and 59 Christians killed and 18,000 injured. Churches and schools have been destroyed and in one particularly brutal attack a nun was seized and raped while local police stood by without intervening. Churches have also been attacked in six other states, largely in the south, but even in Delhi Christians have been threatened.

The violence is directly linked to Hindu nationalist groups determined to assert their power in the run-up to India's next general election, which must be held within the next seven months. Extremists have been steadily gaining power, with the oldest, the Rashtriya Swaytamsevak Sangh, (RSS) playing a shadowy role in rallying Hindu nationalist support behind its main political vehicle, the BJP party, the main national opposition to the ruling Congress-led coalition. Allied groups such as the VHP or Bajrang Dal preach the same intolerant message, with the ultimate aim of overthrowing India's secular Constitution and restricting or eliminating the rights of the large Muslim minority and of Christians, who account for 2.5 per cent of the population.

Despite the denunciations of Manmohan Singh, the Prime Minister, who called the Orissa violence a “national shame”, the federal Government has proved unwilling or unable to intervene. The state government, controlled by the BJP and its allies, has made little effort to halt the attacks, and local police are far from impartial. But Delhi is reluctant to impose presidential rule. And though middle-class Indians look with distaste at the quasi-fascist rallies and demagogic incitments of the RSS and its offshoots, a ban on their activities would be unworkable: the “Hindutva” movement is now so strong throughout India that it could easily sidestep restrictions.

But reasons are not excuses. The attacks on the Christians are a national disgrace, the more despicable because many were once lower-caste Hindus who changed their faith to escape a life of servitude and humiliation. Unless this persecution is quickly halted, its scale could grow and spread. The 2002 massacre of 2,000 Muslims in Gujarat exposed the ever-present danger of communal violence when exploited by demagogues.

Dr Singh should need no prompting from the Vatican or concerned Christian groups in the West. An effective federal police force should be sent to Orissa and swiftly deployed. Instigators should be arrested and curfews imposed. And all India should resist this attempt to destroy the very basis of its polity and prosperity: its democracy and diversity. Without tolerance, both count for little.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article4922751.ece

hulaku
08-08-2009, 07:10 AM
^^ Nice flame bait.

Keep on trying.

korvinag
08-08-2009, 11:11 AM
+++ Martyr Christians Rest in Peace +++

pg_ord
08-09-2009, 11:39 PM
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009/08/10/story_10-8-2009_pg1_9

But Religious Affairs Minister Hamid Saeed Kazmi said the government could not risk a “full-fledged review” inciting a religious backlash.

“Any move for a major amendment in the law will generate another controversy that will benefit extremists and harm the cause of our Christian brothers.”

See P'stan has a very legit reason for not reviewing blasphemy law.:|

7thKeeper
08-10-2009, 05:48 AM
http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=149467

Conspiracy theories coming up : Is it the Indians, Americans or the Juice ?

I can assure you, on behalf of all of Finland, Juice Leskinen had nothing to do with it, though I understand if his looks make you suspicious. The poor guy has been dead for a few years now. ;-)



P.S. Yes, I know what group of people you were actually referring to. :D

StinkyStreet
08-10-2009, 06:29 AM
^^ Nice flame bait.

Keep on trying.

Some of us are not looking forward to BBC's Alternative Christmas message




http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20090804-iranian-uprising-seen-future

Excalibur
08-10-2009, 06:53 AM
RIP to the innocent victims of violence